Search for content in message boards

zygmond goscicki

zygmond goscicki

Posted: 24 Jan 2007 5:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: goscicki gojcicki
Hi looking for info on Zygmond Goscicki born 1904. family name may have been spelled differntly. Wife name Anna, children names Rose, Rita, Fred and Chet.

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 25 Mar 2007 11:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goscicki, Goszczycki, Guest, Gaston
Grandfather Goszczycki (the eldest) immigrated abt 1900. His younger brothers used the name Goscicki. In order, Miecz (1885), Bonifacy (Ben)(1889), Walter, Harry, Carolyn (only sister), and Michael (1905).

The states where they lived would be Connecticut and Michigan, and they emigrated from the Cracow area. If your relative is from another state, he may be extended family. Seems I remember seeing "Zygmund" in Chicago . . .

Miecz would change the name to Gosky, and his sons would translate the original name to Guest, following the lead of Michael. Walter would change to Gaston. I believe Ben and Harry kept Goscicki.

The only offspring I know of that might help you is Ben's son Stefan. I do not have information on other offspring.

My father Anthony, son of Miecz, was born in 1909. Seems I remember him mentioning a cousin Chester, altho he's not on my chart. Perhaps your "Chet" was named in his honor.

Let me know if any of this sounds familiar.

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 26 Mar 2007 5:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi there, Zygmond lived in Buffalo NY. I have found more info since the last post. I found him with his parents in the 1910 census. His fathers name was Mieczyslaw Gosicki born 1865 and mother Zuzanna Piotr-Goscicki born 1869. This was both thier second marriages. Thier were three other children with them Wlatdezlaw b 1889, Antionette b 1892 and Johanna b 1894. They most likely were Zuzanna's cause it said step children. Shortly after 1910 they moved to Kitchener, Waterloo Canada. In 1922 Zuzanna died and Zygmond moved back to Buffalo. My father inlaw said he remmembers other goscicki uncles when he was growing up in Buffalo. Thats funny my father in law older brother changed his last name to Guest when he was younger. There has to be some kind of relation. Hopefully the info I posted matches somehow. Cristina

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 26 Mar 2007 7:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Cristina -- Thanks for the reply. Let me know if you find additional relatives. New York area is a logical place to stay. When you think of it -- they come over on the boat, go to the Big City, get a job. Most joined relatives who came before them. It would be daunting to pick up and move elsewhere. My family happened to join others in CT, a large Polish community.

What's interesting to me here is that Zygmond's father's name is Mieczyslaw ( Mitchell ), my grandfather's name. Since there is one generation between them, I wonder if my Miecz was named after yours -- perhaps he was an uncle. Do you know anything more about his background? His father? Perhaps we are part of the same Tree.

My grandfather's father's name was Jozef. Jozef had at least one brother, Jan, who also spelled his name Goscicki. I don't think Jozef ever came to the US, but Jan did with wife Jozefa. Settled in Hamtramck, Michigan -- a large Polish community. It would be likely that Jozef had more than one brother/sibling.

Have you tried to follow the family? Unless you know their married names, the girls might be hard to find. But Wladyzlaw is "Walter" -- he certainly would Americanize his name.

Oh, one other thing. Among my Miecz' offspring, his first son was named Walter. And one of dad's sisters was a fraternal twin. The boy died in infancy -- his name was Zygmund. Perhaps Miecz named him after a relative. . .

What were the given names of your father-in-law's famly?

My Miecz' children were Walter, Edmund, Anthony, Genevieve, Clara, and Valentina. They lived in CT until about 1920, then moved to the Detroit area. My uncle Walter is still alive at 101, and also Clara in her 80s. My father Anthony died at 93. Longevity runs in the family.

"Guest" was just a literal translation of Gosc. The "icki" part is like saying "the son of". Why my grandfather spelled his last name differently from his brothers -- I don't know. My dad said there are tales in the family that eons ago, during a war, that a family member on-the-run hid with others, constantly moving. They called him "the guest".

I have old photos of when my dad and brothers went to Buffalo (Niagra Falls) in about 1930 or so. Perhaps they stayed with family . . .

Regards, Gloria Guest Frazier


Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 26 Mar 2007 8:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Gloria, The hard I have is there is barely any info. My father in law is the youngest and does not know much. He has asked his older brother who does not seem to remember much. His older sisters already have passed. I'm waiting for a copy of Zygmond's death cert. The only info that I have found on ancestry is the family in the 1910 census, Zuzanna Miezc's wifes death info from canada and 1930 census with Zygmond and his first two children. Also off of ancestry I found Miezcyslaw Goscicki natrualized in 1927 in canada. My FIL did tell me that his father did not like his dad and niether did the rest of the children. Not sure where he is buried cause its not with his wife in Kitchener. I checked with the cemetery if anyone else was there. Ask your uncle and aunt if they remember any relatives from Buffalo or from Kitchener Canada. Here is some names and dates to ask them
Zygmond(Zygnmunt) Goscicki b1903
marriage Anna Drozdzak b1911
children Rose, Rita, Fred and Chester
During the 1930's they lived in a multi family home with a relatives Stephen and Jadwida(Hattie)Wilk. Also another relative Stanley and Charlotte Bochniak. Charlotte was some kind of cousin. hope this helps Cristina

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 27 Mar 2007 12:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the info. I'll get back if I find anything.

If you are still looking for more info, you might try the web-site for The Latter Day Saints - Mormons believe that all souls should be listed. Their info isn't always accurate, but it's just another tool. Google "LDS" and go to Family Search.

I have also found various spellings. No doubt you have too. GAscicki, GosciNSKi, and others.

Funny about "not liking his dad". Same in my family. Here's a possibly: my father was dianosed with a "personality disorder", in his case narcissism (It's all about me, me, me) One of his sisters also. I suspect my grandfather was the same - and all of his children disliked him. An aunt, related by marriage but also full Polish, has also been dianosed with same. It is genetic. And Poland is a fairly small gene pool. Just a possible solution.

A word on "Charlotte". This is not a Polish name, but was often used as a catch-all for hard to translate Polish girls names. My mother was named Wladislawa (the feminine of Walter -- no translation). Grandmother would ask others what they named their little Wladislawa, and often she was told Charlotte - which is really the feminine of Charles. My mom was called no fewer than 5 different names. So, in looking at the women's names, if it's in Polish it might have been translated later as Charlotte.

Happy hunting. -- Gloria

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 17 Apr 2007 2:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again, I found new info on the borders crossing from canada. When the family first came over in 1909 the name was spelled Goszczicki. Miec came over in 1903 to Ottawa, the Zuzanna and the children came over in 1907. I found thier ship manifests luckly. On the border crossing paperwork some of it says they are from Warsaw,Russia and Rzy,Plock, Russia. Also It says Meiczslaw father's name was Juzef. hopefully it helps Cristina

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 19 Apr 2007 11:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Christina. I am amazed at the similarity! The only difference in spelling is my grandfather Mieczislaw spelling the last name with a "y" - Goszczycki. My father thought Miecz's father's name was Josef (I don't know how he spelled it), but possibly Jan. And also from the Warsaw area. Could it be that Josef and Jan were brothers, both naming sons Mieczislaw. I truly think they were from the same famly somehow.

The 1930 census shows my Miecz immigrated in 1900. I have never been able to find his immigration entry, altho there is one entry that shows Mieczslaw Janowski, which is his mother's maiden name.

My uncle (Miecz's first child) will be turning 101 later this month, and hope to have at least a phone visit with him. He's very alert and active, but it's hard to keep his thoughts on track sometimes. I'll let you know if he says anything revealing. -- Gloria

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 25 Dec 2007 4:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
My Father is was Michael Goscicki-Guest - but his Father was John - Harry changed his name to Guest - I don't remember any of them using Gaston - There were actually two families - Matther, Ben & Walter (who was a twin but the girl died before she turned 2) were from my grandmother's first husband (whom she divorced when she moved back to Poland) and then she came back to the US with John (my grandfather) and had Harry, Carolyn and Michael. Carolyn died 1942 or 43 - she had tb and then pnemonia - Walter died in the 20's from appendicitis - Ben, Matt and Harry all lived into their 80's - Michael was 97 when he died in 2002. They all lived in Detroit/Hamtramck Michigan

Re: zygmond goscicki

Posted: 25 Dec 2007 9:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goscicki/Goszczycki
Merry Christmas, cousin! And greetings to your famly. Yes, we are the same family. I would very much like to exchange information with you. You have much perspective that would fill in gaps.

Michael was actually uncle to my father Anthony, but they were close in age, Michael only 4 years older. So they lived in the same area and spent time together. My dad admired Michael greatly, always calling him "Uncle Michael", and was considered our "family attorney", in matters of family.

I am Gloria, daughter of Anthony, the third son of Miecz. We moved from Michigan in 1955 to southern California. My father was estranged from Miecz, and I being quite young then, have almost no personal recollection of the older or extended family.

I have been told the family story, but some details are different. . . We should compare notes, if you are willing and open to family lore.

It threw me for a minute. . . "Matther" meant to be Matthew. I have found that some knew him as Matthew and others as Mitchell. The actual translation of Mieczyslaw is Mitchell (according to Polish lists), which is what my dad knew him as. Polish "Matthew" is quite different. But eldest son Walter also wrote Matthew on the death certificate.

Immigration records show Jan and Jozefa entered the country in 1900 along with Wladislav/Walter (7) and Harry (11 mo). So, if Walter had a twin who died so young, she must have died in Poland. Do you know her name?

You say your grandmother Jozefa "moved back to Poland" to divorce first husband Jozef. Before moving back, when did she first come here? And where was she staying before moving back? I find no prior record, except as noted. I find her/them in later census, but not prior.

Fascinating to hear of more history of twins in the family! My father's sister Genevieve was a twin to Karoll. He died in infancy. It appears our twins are all fraternal, rather than identical. Because of the gap in birth-years, Zygmond would have to come after Genevieve and before next child Clara, or circa 1912.

Walter did go by Gaston (census 1920 Michigan), with wife Lottie and son Walter Jr. After he died, Lottie remarried to a man named Okshea (ok - shay) -- a purely phonetic translation of the unreadable Polish, and moved to southern California. I don't know when Walter Jr. died, but second son Edward was "shell-shocked" during WWII and was institutionalized. Michael appointed my uncle Ed - second son of Miecz (who had moved to southern CA in early '50s) his legal guardian and looked after him until his death. In her old age, Lottie also was under Uncle Ed's guardianship in the same care facility until her passing.

My father also died in 2002 in June, and I spoke with your family at that time. I sent a box of photos in December, hopefully for Michael to identify, only to find Michael died also. I am hoping to retrieve the photos, if the family has no use for them.

For the sake of privacy, I am not using names (but I think I know who you are). Personnaly, I don't mind. I have become deeply involved in genealogy and would like to correspond. Since you have found us here at Ancestry, perhaps you are interested too.

Oh, if you have any photos of your grandparents, could you share? After all, your grandmother was my great-grandmother. But, we can talk about that later . . .

Please email me Gloria Guest Frazier: G.Guest@roadrunner.com
per page

Find a board about a specific topic