GOING/GOIN/GOWENS/etc.--An Introduction
l. William Alexander GOING/GOIN/GOWENS b.about l786 VA. Married ?Mary? first wife about l8l4 in SC, married 2nd wife Mary Wright, Newton Co. GA l847 (my GGGgrandfather).
2. James D. S. Gowen m. Marcena Sparks, Newton Co. GA, l850. Shown living in Cherokee Co. AL, l860 census (my GGgrandfather).
3. Mary Jane Gowen (d/o James and Marcena) m. Robert Busby, Cherokee Co. AL l888 (my Ggrandmother).
4. Fred Busby, their son, m. Nora Mae Murphy (my grandparents). Buried Piedmont Cemetery, Piedmont AL.
5. Lucile Busby m. l943 Grover Carpenter, lived in Oxford AL (my parents).
6. Carolyn Carpenter, b. l950, m. l975 Gene Funderburk, and presently living in Wilmington NC (me).
Hello, fellow searchers!
I believe that the Gowen/Going/Goins/etc.name has definite Indian roots. There are Goins/etc. in the Eastern Cherokees and the Lumbee tribe of North Carolina, perhaps the Choctaws (and others) as well.
I have not researched past Wm Alexander Going (in VA). There is a Goinstown crossroads (apparently a viable community years ago) in Rockingham Co. NC. I haven't been there yet but would very much like to go. That part of northern NC, bordering Virginia, was a common area for Indians and mixed-race peoples moving inland, and west, from Tidewater VA in the l700s (as they were gradually being pushed out by the whites).
On old maps of l700s NC there are several Indian towns near where the old Goinstown community was. Each is shown as Saura Town--on and near the Mayodan River, and also close to several "Iron Works". Through research, I think these remnant Saura Indians moved southward, aligning with other struggling groups, and possibly became part of the Cheraw (Saura) tribe.
I have no concrete knowledge of any Indian blood in MY family. Since I believe that many Indian or mixed-race peoples of the Southeast hid away, shunned their pasts, tried to "pass," there will be little record of them AS Indians. The area tribes now are tightening the noose for membership, so all I could hope for is knowledge of my ancestry--the belief that, along with many other groups of peoples, there is Indian heritage somewhere. I do know that "Person of Color" or "Free Person of Color" on census records in the l800s CAN indicate Indian heritage.
If anyone can help me get past William Alexander Going, I sure would appreciate it. Also, I'd enjoy more info on NC, borderline VA, and Indian heritage. Thank you, and good night!
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Re: GOWENS/GOING/GOINS/etc.--An Introduction
The message about William Alexander Gowens/Goings/Goins hits a familiar note. My great grandfather was John William Goings, and he had a son named James Alexander Goings. My g grandfather was born in Copiah County Mississippi about 1837. When he came to Texas he left 6 or 8 brothers; some of the following names were Tom, George, and James. My own Grandfather was George Perry Goings, born in 1880. I have had problems tracing any farther back than my g grandfather. I do have his parents' names listed somewhere, but have been unable to find anything about them. I, too, wondered if it might have been because of interracial marriage that they just left with no more contact with their kin.
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Re: GOWENS/GOING/GOINS/etc.--An Introduction
Hi. I just read your message about the Gowens. I believe your gg.grandfather (James D.S. Gowens) and my gggg.grandfather (Solomon Gowens) were brothers. I'll tell you how... My grandmother maiden name was Gowens. Her father was Ebbie Lee Gowens. His father was John Gowens (married to Mary English). His father was Solomon Gowens. And that leads to William Alexander Gowens, Solomon and James' father. I am curious about their background (race). Somewhere I had read that James D.S. Gowens was Melungeon (?) and my grandmother seen on the 1860 census that Solomon, wife Mary and son John were classified as Malatto. I have been doing research for almost 2 years now (off and on) and can only come across bits of info. If you have any info. that you would be willing to share with me I would be more than greatful.
Thanks Christie
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Re: GOWENS/GOING/GOINS/etc.--An Introduction
I, too, am at a dead-end with my 3rd Great Grandmother, Sarah (Sallie) Eunice Going b. 1805 SC and died late 1800's Lawrence Co. AR. I've seen the many Goins on the Guion-Miller Rolls of Cherokee Applications.There was even a Sallie Goings - tribe- Choctaw (card #481). There were Goins Native Amerricans in TN, AL, NC, GA, and the Indian Territories. I will check all my Goin, Goines, Goen, Gowen, Goings, Goingsnake, Going-to-Sleep, Goingwolf, etc. data that I've collected over the years, for your people, and will let you know if I find anything familiar. Also would appreciate any information re a Sarah or Sallie. Happy Hunting.
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Re: GOWENS/GOING/GOINS/etc.--An Introduction
I believe I am a Guins descendant. My GGrandmother was Charity L. Guins Young (b. 1854-mulatto) who died in the early 1900s in Hampton Co. SC. I think her parents were Ephraim & Phoebe Goins from Fairfield, SC. I cant link any farther past that. They were all listed as mulattos in the 1860 census. I wonder if they are descendants of Michael Gowen (Gowin), a freed slave in 1657 Virginia, great grandaughter (7-10 generations) is Dora Lucinda Gowin Harless (b. 1870), Mt. Pleasant, W VA
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Re: GOWENS/GOING/GOINS/etc.--An Introduction
Don't forget that people of color were called Mulattos, as well as Native American's. If you had a Caucasian father and a Native American Mother, you were listed as a Mulatto. That is why my Grandmother would not tell anyone that she was descended from Native American ancestry. It was not known until after her death. Such a shame, huh? I am very proud of my ancestry. Judy
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Re: GOING/GOIN/GOWENS/etc.--An Introduction
I would caution using the statement "I believe that the Gowen/Going/Goins/etc.name has definite Indian roots". Not all people who carry the same surname are related. A good example can be found by examining the male Y-DNA results from participants who carry a variation of the surname at the Goins DNA Project and the McGowan DNA project at Family Tree DNA (familytreedna.com). These name variances and the Y-DNA results validate that although many were living within very close proximity to one another, they were not all related and should not be lumped in to general terms.
For the most part, there are two main haplogroups from this surname variants: 12b and E1b. Participants that received I2b results were further broken down into subclades of ancestors that are indigenous to Scotland and having lived there for 4,500 years. The participants that received E1b results carry a haplogroup that is primarily from Africa. These are very disperate paths.
Native American ancestry is difficult to ascertain through DNA, however it can be performed. There is a really good paper on the ISOGG.org website under the research heading that discusses how this can be performed using DNA.
Best of luck in your research!
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Re: GOING/GOIN/GOWENS/etc.--An Introduction
Robert, there is one thing wrong with your theory. You have not looked at the Five Civilized Tribes Roll Books. The name is Indian. More correctly, the name can be Indian.
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Re: GOING/GOIN/GOWENS/etc.--An Introduction
Jeanette, A surname may be in a roll book as you mention, but that proves nothing. Surnames were assigned or selected. The notion that everyone with a particular surname must be of a single ethnicity is absurd and shouldn't be even considered. I don't do that with my own surname. I know there were tri-racial families with a similar surname living around my family. Autosomal DNA and Y-DNA has proven we are not related.
What is interesting, is how some attempt to explain skin pigmentation in ancestors photos and attempt to place their origin. I can provide you facts of most of the war rolls of those who served in wars prior to and after the American Revolution who were from Ireland and Scotland and whose skin color was listed as "Black", "Dark", or other ways. They had light colored hair, fair hair, black hair, and dark hair listings. Were these somehow aligned to a Native American becuase of their skin pigmentation? No.
I have scientific DNA facts, not theories. I am a direct male descendant and I am 100% Northern European with 0% Native American, 0% African, and 0% Asian. All of those who have taken DNA tests return the same. Our Y-DNA is of a rare subclade believed to be indigenous to the British Isles and specifically Scotland where it is found at its greatest.
I provide the facts. Those who had the same surname and were Native American and/or of tri-racial origin are not aligned to my family. If you are seeking a Native American, African, or other origin for my family line other than Northern European, you are in the wrong tree and should be looking for a different line because it is not in the Gowin/Going/Gowen line associated with my family. That automatically debunks the theory that ALL people of a particular surname are of a particular origin as the original author stated.
All the best, Robert
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Re: GOING/GOIN/GOWENS/etc.--An Introduction
I was just trying to get your attention. I can't make your e-mail work from the computer I was on. I might could this one, but all I wanted to say is that I agree with you. What happened to me lately was: My daughter saw a picture of my mother when she was a young girl. My daughter said: "Please don't tell me that is Renie." It is. She was very dark. I am going back to the "broke" computer, so you won't hear from me any more this week-end.
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