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Daniel Gobbett married Ellen Scott Aug or Nov 1852 in Hobart

Daniel Gobbett married Ellen Scott Aug or Nov 1852 in Hobart

Posted: 30 Nov 2008 6:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gobbett Scott
Searching the convict records I found an Ellen Scott from Tipperary, transported to Tasmania in the spring of 1849 at age 24. She arrived July 23rd 1849 and was sent to the Brickfields depot where she probably was sent working in the homes around Hobart for the next three years. Her convict record is uneventful save for the fact recorded that she married Daniel Gobbett on August 3rd 1852; her conditional pardon was granted October 18th 1853. The Tasmania archives lists the family; Daniel born in 1828, Ellen in 1827 and having two children; a son in 1852 (which is the year of their marriage, extrapolated from the birth of the son) and a daughter in 1854. There is a note in Ellen's record that looks like 'Culs (sails?) Hobart Sept 22 1858'.

Daniel is listed in the 1857 census; probably where the two children were listed although the notes from the Tasmania archives on their birth are inferred to be from baptismal records.

I have yet to find out if Ellen's parents are my ggg grandparents Stephen Scott and Catherine (O'Donnell) of the Monsea/Nenagh area of Tipperary but I hope to find that from the church (or civil) record of their marriage on Aug 3rd of '52 if one exists. Ellen's age corresponds to the era when Stephen and Catherine were having their children; and is before Catherine emigrated with her remaining 5 children; my gg grandfather Stephen and his siblings Bridget, Catherine, Margaret and James. Ellen's older brothers Patrick, John and Michael all emigrated before 1848 to Ontario Canada, where Catherine & her last five (possibly her husband although he may have died by this time)emigrated to in 1854.

Ellen was Roman Catholic; a strong indication that she is Stephen and Catherine's daughter. Most other Catholic Scott's having families in Tipperary at that time were younger or older, although Ellen may be a cousin to Stephen and Catherine's children I still hope to find out if Daniel and Ellen had family that have descended to the present time.

There are several other Gobbett families in the records of early Tasmania; a Joseph Gobbett who married a Tustin seems to have had one descendant register the family in the ancestry database.

Daniel was tried in Brecknock, Breconshire England and transported in 1847 although he has no convict register to indicate the kind of information available such as Ellen's. All Gobbett's in the 1841 census are from Norfolk, Suffolk and by 1851 Middlesex. With Daniel's origins in England the marriage may have been in the protestant church in Hobart unless he converted to the catholic faith for Ellen (if they were church goers at all). Does anyone have any info on the location and era for the churches in Hobart so I can begin searching there somewhere?

Thanks,

Blaine Scott Midland Ontario.

Re: Daniel Gobbett married Ellen Scott Aug or Nov 1852 in Hobart

Posted: 10 Apr 2010 3:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: GOBBETT, SCOTT, TIERNEY, WILLIAMS
Hi Blaine

Daniel Gobbett (c.1826-1887) was confined as a dangerous lunatic in 1866 and spent nearly 20 years in a mental asylum. In search of stronger evidence of an ancestral connection, I have recently been investigating his family and will post more details here soon. Meanwhile, I can tell you that Daniel married Ellen Scott at St George's (Anglican) church in Battery Point, Hobart, on 3 Aug. 1852. Their birthplaces and parents' names were not registered, there being no such legal requirement until 1896. The witnesses were George and Mary Williams.

Ellen's parents are also missing from her 1849 indent (CON15/1/5 page 241 - Tasmanian Archives Online image 246) which lists only her "Uncles James Tierney" if I am not mistaken. When her death was registered at Inglewood, Victoria, in 1860, her mother was recorded as Ellen Scott but her father's name was not known. Daniel gave her place of birth as Buris, Ireland. Perhaps you can say whether this is likely to be Burris-O-Kane, Burris-O-Leagh or Borrisleigh in County Tipperary.

I see no explicit reference to the Brickfields depot in Ellen's conduct record (CON41/1/22 image 153). After five months aboard the "Anson" (training for domestic service?), she was granted a 3rd-class probation pass on 26 Dec. 1849. A marginal note at the foot of the page (slightly clearer in the previous image) appears to indicate that she was assigned to Oatlands (halfway between Hobart and Launceston) on 6 Jan. 1852, shortly before obtaining a ticket of leave. The latest date in Ellen's record (22 Sept. 1858) relates to the certificate of freedom ("Cert"), presumably collected at the same time as her husband's, prior to their departure for the goldfields of Inglewood.

David Gobbitt

Re: Daniel Gobbett married Ellen Scott Aug or Nov 1852 in Hobart

Posted: 11 Apr 2010 3:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Scott Gobbit
Thanks David for the great info on Ellen. As your name is Gobbit are you a descendant of Daniel and Ellen?

The fact that Ellen's mother's name was Ellen indicates to me she is probably not the Ellen I was hoping to find: a daughter of Catherine (O'Donnell) Scott and Stephen Scott of Tipperary. A son, Thomas was also bound for Australia (sheep stealing with his uncle John O'Donnell in 1851 [aged 16!] John O., was also tried and sent to the same prison in Cork where his nephew was; they both died within months of each other,in the Spike Island jail before being shipped to Australia) I found this info in the Irish convict records. The interesting thing about them was the fact that the family oral history spoke of a brother being sent to Australia; from the point of view of the family, they would have seen him taken away I guess they never knew he died after three years languishing in a Cork prison. This would have been around the same time the family left Ireland in 1854.

Ellen had to be a relative of my gg grandfather Stephen. She was Catholic and from Tipperary. The only location I have for the family is Thomas' baptismal entry in a church in Monsea in the Cranna area of tipperary. Do you know if the areas you mentioned are around there?

thanks again for the great entry on Ellen.
Blaine Scott

Re: Daniel Gobbett & Ellen Scott

Posted: 15 Apr 2010 5:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: CROPTAN, GOBBETT, HANSER, SCOTT
My pleasure, Blaine. I'm afraid we can't call ourselves cousins yet, as there are still some missing links...

Daniel's grandparents, Robert Gobbett (c.1767-1823) and Mary Hanser (c.1761-1817), were married in 1786 at Rumburgh (pronounced Rumbruh) in the East Anglian county of Suffolk. Between 1792 and 1795 they moved to Gillingham, Norfolk, where their son Daniel was born in 1799. In the FreeREG database (http://freereg.rootsweb.com) he is baptized as Dallant Gobbet and his son, the insane convict, is Daniel Goblett (1826, at neighbouring Geldeston).

Robert's origins are unclear. He may have been a grandson of Robert Gobbett (d.1764?) and Mary Croptan (d. 1749) of Mendham, Suffolk, who married in 1730/31. Their children included Robert (baptized 1734/35) and Daniel (1744) who have both defied my attempts to trace them. If the elder Robert was born in 1704, he could well be a much younger half-brother of my ancestor Daniel Gobbet(t) or Gobbit (c.1677-1747/48) of Fressingfield and Laxfield, Suffolk. But there were other Gobbett families in nearby parishes, such as Redenhall with Harleston and Wortwell (RHW), which is even closer to Mendham although over the county border in Norfolk.

Robert, son of Robert and Freegift Gobbett (yes, Freegift!) was baptized at RHW in 1708, and possibly he or his father was buried in 1747/48 (Robt Gobbet of Wortwell). And Robert, son of Daniel and Mary Gobbet, was baptized there in 1757, 10 years too soon to be the grandfather buried at Gillingham in December 1823 if he was truly 56 years old. One reason to doubt his recorded age is that he would then have been under 21 when he married Mary Hanser in 1786, and the Rumburgh marriage register makes no mention of his minority. But a decade is rather a lot to lose, so I will keep on looking for proof of the Australian Daniel's lineage.

Lewis's 1837 Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php) describes Monsea or Mountsea as a parish in the barony of Lower Ormond, 2 ¼ miles (N. W.) from Nenagh, on the road to Dromineer. It also locates Burris-O'-Kane in the barony of Lower Ormond, 12 ¾ miles (W. by N.) from Roscrea, and 7l ¾ miles from Dublin. Google maps suggest that those distances are inaccurate and that Burris-O'-Kane is now known as Borrisokane, situated about 10 miles north-east of Monsea. I have practically no experience of research in Ireland but I hope you will someday be able to discover more about Ellen Scott's family.

David

Re: Daniel Gobbett & Ellen Scott

Posted: 15 Apr 2010 10:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Scott Gobbit
I'll try and remember to post any more I find on Ellen here. Me thinks she is a niece of Stephen who married Catherine O'Donnell; her mother being one of Stephen's sisters; The fact that her mothers name is listed as Scott and that no father is listed may indicate her mother raised her alone.
Her mothers name was Ellen wasn't it? Sadly we will probably not find any records of that generation; they are notoriously scarce in ireland for that earlier than 1820 time period.

Re: Daniel Gobbett & Ellen Scott

Posted: 17 Apr 2010 3:50PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: FERRIMAN, GOBBETT, HOWARD, SCOTT, SMYTHE, WITHERS
Thanks Blaine

Yes, Ellen's mother was "Ellen Scott" according to the details registered at Inglewood after she died there on 28 July 1860 aged 33 (registration number 9429). It's not clear whether "Father's name not known" means that she never knew him or that Daniel couldn't remember when asked. Childbirth was given as the cause of death, and the duration of her illness was one week. I don't have copies of her twins' birth or death entries but the LDS Church's Australian Vital Records Index (AVRI) shows that they too died at Inglewood in 1860, Daniel Gobbett (birth reg. no 17016; death 12214) apparently surviving their mother a little longer than his brother David (birth 17017; death 9449).

On 22 July 1862, widower Daniel Gobbett (aged "33", a sawyer of Sebastopol Forest, Glenlyon) married sempstress Martha Jane Smythe (27, of Seven Mile forest, Glenlyon) in the priest's residence at Daylesford, Victoria, witnessed by W. ?Carleton and Mary ?Hurdley. Daniel was then a Roman Catholic, while Martha Jane belonged to the Church of England, although she was born in the City of Cork, Ireland, a daughter of solicitor John James Smythe and Jane Anne Howard. Or so we are led to believe by marriage registration entry 2756, which states that Daniel's former wife had died on 15 Jan. 1861, having given him five children, of whom three were still living in July 1862. I've seen no other indication that there may have been three wives. Perhaps Daniel had an unmarried partner for a few months, or perhaps he was just not good with dates.

I'm currently awaiting photocopies of entries recording the births of the two children known to have been born in Van Diemen's Land (VDL): a boy in 1852 ("GARBETT" in the AVRI) and a girl in 1854. No forenames were registered with the civil authorities but one has been found among the baptisms at St Joseph's Catholic Church in Hobart (AOT: NS1052/1/8 p.181): John, son of Daniel Gobbett and Ellen Scott, was born on 20 Sept. and baptized on 17 Dec. 1852. The godparents were Henry W(h)ithers and Charlott(e) Ferriman, almost certainly the couple indexed in the AVRI as Henry Withers (21) and Charlotte Ferryman (32) who married in "Tasmania" [VDL] in 1853. However, the AVRI also has the birth of Henry Ferriman in 1854, son of Charlotte Ferriman and an unspecified father. Shoemaker Henry Withers from Bath, Somerset, was transported at the age of 13 in 1843 for theft and discharged to freedom in Hobart in June 1849 (AOT: CON33/1/42 image 186).

During that period, Henry is unlikely to have met fellow convict Daniel Gobbett, who arrived in Nov. 1848 and was promptly appointed as a constable, possibly because of his previous experience in the army, although he had been prosecuted for desertion and highway robbery! Daniel's online records are indexed by AOT under "Gobbelt" (http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&typ...): CON14/1/40 images 36 & 37; CON33/1/91 image 90; and CON18/1/50 image 28.

At present, I have no more information about John or his siblings. If they were in Victoria, their destiny was probably guided by step-mother Martha Jane Gobbett, who can't be blamed for keeping them safely away from their father after he attacked her in 1866. As yet undetected in later years, she may well have changed her surname - and the children's - even if she was unable to remarry while Daniel was alive. An Ararat Asylum casebook in the Public Record Office Victoria at Melbourne (VPRS 7403/P1 unit 4, ff.11v. & 12) reveals that he was transferred in 1868 from Melbourne Gaol to Yarra Bend Lunatic Asylum and 19 years later from there to Ararat, where he died of pneumonia on 2 Dec. 1887 at 11.55 a.m. His family was unknown.

David

Re: Daniel Gobbett & Ellen Scott

Posted: 12 May 2010 3:22PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: GOBBETT, GOODERHAM
The photocopies mentioned in my last posting have now arrived from Tasmania. They don't supply much new information but they do demonstrate the unreliability of official records. The unnamed son of Daniel and Ellen "Garbett", whose birth was registered in the Hobart district on 16 November 1852, was said to have been born on 10 October, and the register was signed by the father, D. Gobbett, a mariner of Port "Cygnett". Was he avoiding a fine for late registration or was this another example of his ineptitude with dates? I suppose Ellen probably got it right at the baptism ceremony in St Joseph's Church on 17 December, when John's birthday was given as 20 September 1852. By December 1854, when their daughter was born, Daniel was a sawyer somewhere along the Huon River, possibly near Port Cygnet.

More importantly, the will of James Gooderham of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which was proved in London in 1829, reveals that Daniel's grandfather, Robert Gobbett of Rumburgh and Gillingham, came from Redenhall with Harleston and Wortwell. This discovery makes the possibility of a link with my ancestors a little more remote. But it warrants a new thread as it also connects the Gillingham Gobbetts with those at Eye and Halesworth, Suffolk, whose origins had been equally obscure.

David Gobbitt
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