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george/william

chrisg (View posts)
Posted: 3 Jan 2005 3:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: gladden
I am trying to trace the ancestry of William Gladden b 1860/1 in Bethnal Green London. He had a son George (my grandfather) who was killed in action in 1915 at Gallipoli, Turkey. George was killed 4 months before my mother was born so he never knew that he had a daughter. She is now 89 years old and I would love to find out more about her family as so many records have been destroyed in UK due to bombing in the second world war.

Re: george/william

Ken (View posts)
Posted: 16 Aug 2006 1:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi there, not sure if I can be of help, but, my Grandad was called William Gladden and all the 'Gladdens' lived around the Bethnal Green area. My Grandad died i think in the 1970's,aged in his sixties. I know he had a brother called Sidney, Lennie and sisters called June, Emily.

I appreciate that my grandad is not the relative you are seeking, but, I can always ask my dad Brian, for any information you may require.

Kind regards,,,,,, Sharon

Re: george/william

Posted: 10 Jan 2012 11:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: gladden
hi there,

i dont know why i havent seen this message before! If you are still able to help i would be very grateful, although i know it is many years ago that i originally posted! many thanks for your reply.

Re: george/william

Posted: 12 Jan 2012 3:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
This family is quite easy to trace through English Census returns and www.freebmd.org.uk website. George was clerk/warehouseman for steel company in London before he enlisted (so did some of his cousins). Father William & mother Annie (nee Kebbel) lived 31 Matilda St, Bethnel Green most of their lives. Bill, some brothers & father Frederick were all boot/shoemakers.

From www.freebmd.org.uk website you can note index data for marriages or births, etc and then go to www.gro.gov.uk and order copies of certificates. They take about 2 weeks. I have used credit card with no problems and cost is about 7 pounds. Fred Gladden b.circa 1823, married Emma Bates, registered at Bethnal Green 1844.

I hope you won't mind if I query George's death at Gallipoli 15 Sept 1915. Is it possible this is another George Gladden?
I think your George was George Henry Gladden b.1891.
There is record of a George Henry Gladden, private with Royal Welsh Fusiliers who enlisted Dec 1915, served in France and "disc. 16.11.1917".

Re: george/william

Posted: 12 Jan 2012 4:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Perhaps if you can list your grandmother's name, including maiden surname it would be possible to check which George Gladden she married.

Re: george/william

Posted: 12 Jan 2012 8:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Jan 2012 8:42AM GMT
Surnames: gladden
Thanks for reply, wasnt expecting it after all this time. My grandmother was Alice Louisa Byfield, b 1890, her father was Frereick an instrument maker. She married George Gladden on the 18th April 1915, he was aged 24 and is listed as a soldier, his father is Charles James Gladden (deceased), a bookmaker. Their residence at the time of marriage is 31 Cottage Street. The parish where they married was Poplar, so presumably this is where Cottage Street was.

This is years ago that I was researching this family and looking at my original post I have asked for details of a William Gladden, I dont know why and will have to revisit my research, as William is clearly not the father of George. Perhaps I didnt have the marriage certificate of Alice and George at the time of posting. Sorry for any red herrings.

My mother was born on the 12th March 1916, George was killed in action in Gallipoli in September 1915. He was serving in the London Regiment. We have his military details and records of where he was killed, although his body was never recovered. I think you must have details of a different family and although it is not a particularly common name, there seems to be quite a lot of them in that area of London, no doubt all related and with very similar names etc, so confusing! My mother always said that her mother told her that Georges mum was French or Italian and had memories of a woman with very long dark hair in a plait that she used to hit the children with!!! Of course, I can find no evidence of this so it remains family legend. My mum remembers quite a few uncles but says she didnt see much of them and then her mother remarried.

Re: george/charles james

Posted: 12 Jan 2012 11:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
George Gladden b.early 1891 (son of Charles James Gladden m.1880 Annie Tattersel reg. Bethnal Green) is cousin to George Henry's family in my previous message.
Annie doesn't sound like French or Italian and census lists her as from Clerkenwell or St Lukes.
Charles James Gladden b. circa 1855-56 was "boot/shoe laster".
As I mentioned previously his father and some brothers were also shoemakers as was their father Frederick.
The "book maker" might stem from George's brother Charles James Gladden (sometimes called himself Charles - sometimes James)...anyway George lived with his family at Shoreditch in 1911. George was "press operator, metal parts, camera accessories" while brother was "Printers Assistant".

Easy families to trace, ...they (Fred, Charles, Albert, William, Edward, Henry, Walter) all had families with similar names, but not many other Gladdens in that area of London to make it difficult.

Re: george/charles james

Posted: 12 Jan 2012 12:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: gladden
Thanks for your help, what is your interest in the Gladden family? Your last reply was interesting because although on the marriage certificate George is obviously a soldier, on my mums birth certificate he is down as "magic lantern maker".

On his service records his medals are recorded as being returned by his family, I dont know the reason for this, maybe they just didnt want the reminder. I wanted to get them returned for my mum but they are no longer issued. My mum died in jan 2010 so its not so important now.

Have you found any link with the Juchau family during your research?

Re: george/charles james

Posted: 12 Jan 2012 10:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have not gone into this Gladden family in depth.
They are relatively easy to trace and it didn't take long to find what I passed on to you.
I didn't notice anything of Jachau family name.
My interest in the Gladden/Gladdin name is from Staffordshire.
The message back in 2006 from Sharon (under name "Ken") indicates she is descendant of George Henry Gladden and so is related to you.

Re: george/charles james

Posted: 30 Sep 2014 3:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gladden
Hi

I was looking for some more information about my husband's granddfather, George Henry Gladden and found your thread. I know you have stopped looking for your mother's father George Gladden now, but I thought I'd let you know that the other George Henry Gladden, who was the son of William and Annie, nee Kebbell, did fight in France in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers and was shot in the ear, the shoulder and the leg. Then he was taken prisoner by the Germans and they looked after him while his wounds healed up. His wife received a message to say he was missing, but then she heard from him and they corresponded until he eventually returned to England. They already had one son, Len and they proceeded to have two more sons and two daughters, one of whom is my mother in law. It should be easier now to find your grandfather as there is so much information available about WW1.

Good Luck

Kristin Stott, London.
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