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GEAKE family c1840 ~ Cornwall England

Re: Geake family

Posted: 19 May 2012 7:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi vanessa
I only got interested in Palmers because an Ursula Palmer (alleged daughter of Johnathon Palmer & Ursula Blake) married an Edward Geake (brother of my ancestor). So I don't have alot and what I did get was from the Online parish clerk. I have Jonathan Palmer marrying an Ursula Blake (have not found when or where). With this couple having 7 children. Jonathan Palmer (d. 1838 St Germans) was allegedly baptised 7 Apr 1756 Landrake, son of Jonathan Palmer & Elizabeth Tucker. That is all the info I have.
jenny

Re: Geake family

Posted: 20 May 2012 5:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Jenny,

Let me know what you discover after researching Mary GEAKE who married William CLOGG in 1819 in St Germans!

We know they were in St Paul, Deptford, Kent when their son William was born and baptised there in Apr 1820 but back in St Germans by 1822 when Wm Jr was buried there.

Thanks!

Re: Geake family

Posted: 21 May 2012 8:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Looks like Wm Clogg Snr also died. Found this marriage at St Andrews, Plymouth:
"Thomas Webb, Yeoman of the Parish of Landrake in the County of Cornwall a bachelor & Mary Clogg of this Parish, widow, were married in this church by licence on 10 August 1826.
Signed: T W, M C
Witnesses: Thomas Geake, Catherine Geake"

Catherine Geake was Mary's sister. Thomas Geake (witness) could have been dad.

Mary Geake (Clogg) and Thomas Webb went on to have 4 children: Thomas Geake Webb 1827. Catherine Webb 1828, Edmund Webb 1830 & Mary Geake Webb 1832. Dad, Thomas Webb, died 1832, buried at St Germans.

Mum, Mary, then immigrated with three of the children to Australia (Catherine, Edmund & Mary)on the Penyard Park, arriving Sydney 13 Sep 1847. Part of the reason for this immigration was that mum's (Mary Geake/Clogg/Webb)sister, Catherine, had immigrated earlier and married a bloke who was doing quite well for himself. Catherine somehow convinced sister widow Mary to come over with the children. Mum, Mary died in OZ not long after arriving (1849). Edmund had a very close association throughout his life with his aunt, Catherine. Meanwhile, Edmund's elder brother (Thomas Geake Webb) immigrated separately. Both the brothers ended up marrying sisters of the Tom family. Sister
Catherine m. Thomas Geake Lane (a second cousin - long story) but poor Mary died 1857 age 24 after 8 days of "bilious fever"

Edmund Webb's death (1899) certificate lists "Catherine" as his mother and this has led to some continual incorrect info on the net and in published books. The informant for the death certificate has listed the name of his aunt, Catherine, in lieu of Edmund's mother, Mary, (although to be far, his aunt did act like his mother in Australia after his mum died). Aunt Catherine never had any children (long, sad story) of her own, although did marry twice to husbands who did not live that long after marriage.

Jenny

Re: Geake family

Posted: 21 May 2012 2:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
This is fantastic Jenny!! I was trying to find out more yesterday but kept coming up with dead ends!

You've solved the dilemma and I thank you for it and so will all descendants of this family!!

Re: Geake family

Posted: 21 May 2012 3:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 21 May 2012 3:59PM GMT
Jenny --

In one of your earliest posts here you say - QUOTE - "Thomas WEBB (chr 28 Nov 1799 St Mellion and died 29.03.1832 in Cornwall.)

He was the husband of Mary GEAKE / CLOGG .... if he died Mar 1832 and their daughter Catherine WEBB wasn't born until Aug 17, 1833 that's about 17 months, well *beyond* the usual 9 months for a pregnancy ???

If you are certain of your death date for Thomas, this might indicate that Catherine was not his child??

Had just been adding your info for him when I realized the *long interval* ....

you also give Peggy LANGMAID's baptismal date as Mar 29 1769 and I'm just wondering how you found that as I've been looking and not been successful.

I found Thomas WEBB's parents and now know why he and Mary named their children Edmund and Catherine -- Edmund WEBB + Catherine LANGMAID married in St Germans on Dec 22 1798.

Keep wondering if there might be some connection between Catherine and Peggy??

Re: Geake family

Posted: 21 May 2012 9:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Geake Langmaid Webb
Earlier post may have been confusing or old info and/or badly typed. This is what I have got:
Mary Geake (bap 17 Feb 1796 St Germans, parents Thomas & Peggy Langmead) m. Thomas Webb (bap 28 Nov 1799 St Mellion, parents Edmund Webb & Catherine Herring Langmaid).
Children:
Thomas Geake Webb b. 29 Jun 1827 Liskeard (The Lodge), bap 26 Jul 1827 Wesleyan Methodist Liskeard Circuit
Catherine Webb b. 17 Dec 1828 Liskeard (The Lodge), bap 18 Jan 1829 Wesleyan Methodist Liskeard circuit
Edmund Webb b. 6 Sep 1830 Liskeard (Wiesandra), bap 30 Sep 1830 Wesleyan Methodist Liskeard Circuit
Mary Geake Webb b. 4 Aug 1832 Liskeard (The Lodge), bap 2 Sep 1832 Wesleyan Methodist Liskeard Circuit

Dad, Thomas, died 29 Mar 1832, buried 1 Apr 1832. St Germans.

I think these dates "work", ie mum Mary must have been a few months pregnant with Mary Geake Webb when her husband died?

Re: Peggy Langmead info - my notes (on family tree on computer at home - tree on ancestry quite old) have this baptism as 29 Mar 1769 (from a tree on ancestry and asterixed as to be confirmed. She is listed as 70 years old in 1841 census but that is the only "evidence" I have of her age and 41 census always is a bit dodgy with regard to age. I also cannot this baptism anywhere and have tried many derivations (Peg, Margaret etc) but to no avail. I also think there may well be a connection to Catherine Herring Langmaid but I cannot join the dots. Very frustrating

The Edmund Webb who married Catherine Herring Langmaid is a very interesting chap - if you want any info on what I have found about him, give me a hoy!

Re: Geake family

Posted: 21 May 2012 11:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
I'd love to know more about Edmund WEBB --

For some reason I have 2 Catherine WEBBs -- the one you have who I thought must have died bef 1833.

Catherine WEBB born Aug 17 1833 / bpt Nov 24 1834 Wesleyan Methodist Liskeard Circuit .... that's why I asked about Thomas' death date.

If you have access to the WMLCircuit records, could you check this Catherine's baptism to see who her parents were?? Thanks!

Re: Geake family

Posted: 22 May 2012 7:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 May 2012 7:24AM GMT
Have had a quick check of Wesleyan Methodist Liskeard baptism records that I can find online at bmdregisters.co.uk. There was a Catherine Webb born 17 Aug 1833 and baptised 24 Nov 1824 WML. Parents listed as a Thomas Webb & Amelia Ryall. Thomas and Amelia appear to have had the following children (am out of credits at the moment so can't get full details):
Thomas Ebenezer Webb 1821
Caroline Hoskin Webb 1823
Amelia Ryall Webb 1823
James Ryall Webb 1825
Elizabeth Ryall Webb 1827
Edmond Webb 1829 (looks like this family could well be related somehow!)
Anna Maria Michell 1831
Catherine 1833 (as above)

Could well be more. How this family fits in (although I now suspect they do somehow) is not known to me.

Re Edmund Webb (Grandfather of my Edmund Webb) was baptised 30 Jun 1776 in parish of St Mellion, son of Thomas Webb & Grace Triscott (first wife). Thomas Webb & Grace Triscott married 17 Dec 1775 St Mellion. Grace died somewhere between 1776 & 1783 (not found, I suspect she died not long after giveing birth to Edmund as I can find no other children of this couple in the area). Thomas married for the second time on 27 Nov 1783 St Dominick to a Grace Hoskin (just found link to Thomas Webb & Amelia Ryall above! Thomas & Grace had one child - son Thomas Webb bap 9 Nov 1784 at St Dominick!!! Looking good to be the Thomas who married Amelia Ryall)

Back to Edmund. He married Catherine Herring Langmaid 22 Dec 1798 St Germans. This couple had 9 children: Thomas 1799-1832, Edmund 1801-1851 (who ends up as a publican/brewer), John 1803, Catherine 1805, Francis Truscot 1807, William abt 1815 (yes there is a nasty nasty gap in children here which has me wondering), Henry 1820, Grace Herring 1819 and possibly a Susan 1824. Edmund was a farmer. By 1832 he was residing at Wiesandra (appears to have been a farm) in the parish of Landrake & St Erney. He is still there in the 1841 census. In 1851 Edmund and his wife are living with his daughter Grace Herring Webb and her husband - in Egg Buckland. Edmund was the source of Methodism in the St Mellion area - at his farm (Dunstan Farm). From www.wesleyweb.co.uk "Under his personal direction Methodism was put on the map and Dunstan becaume a "preaching place". This happenend either late in the 19th century or very early in the 19th century. It appears Mr Webb had a genius for establishing Methodist Societies because he afterwards went to Wisewandra (sic), in the Parish of Landrake, and opened up yet another preaching place there". I have tried to get in contact with the Bealbury Methodist chapel to see what other information they have but have had no response.

I also have some bits a pieces from old newspapers & leases which I have found indexed and have transcribed what I have found. Edmund was very well looked after by his maternal grandmother! Starts to get a bit complicated here so will leave this for now.

Edmund died in 1855 and was buried in the Methodist Burial Ground at Saltash. Edmund left no will (have more bits and pieces about this which include references to Lower Dunstan Farm). His wife, Catherine died 8 May 1856. From Royal Cornwall Gazette Friday 16 May 1856
"DEATHS
May 8, after a few days' illness, at Coleridge, near Knackersknowle, aged 78 years, Mrs Catherine Webb, widow of the late Mr Edmund Webb, formerly of Wisewandra, Cornwall."
Catherine was buried next to Edmund.
In 1959 the gravestones were transferred to St Stephens Anglican Church, Saltash.

Have typed while collating - so probably a bit scatty
Jenny


Re: Geake family

Posted: 23 May 2012 12:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for all this info and I'm glad that my having an incorrect Catherine WEBB helped you find Edmund's half-brother Thomas and his family :)

Thanks for sharing all of this ... in my database my husband has a HOSKIN[G] connection from St Mellion but from the marriage record, it looks like your Grace HOSKIN who married Thomas WEBB, widower, was from St Dominick.

Re: Geake Webb Hoskin family

Posted: 23 May 2012 8:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 May 2012 8:05AM GMT
While inadvertently finding the Webb/Ryall connection I also inadvertently collected some info on my Thomas Webb's (1736-1811)first wife Grace Hoskin. I had previously found that Grace's father was Richd (Richard) Hoskin. Then found this summary info of Richd's will, which gives an idea of his children, his grandchildren etc.

Richard Hoskin, St Dominick yeoman (perfect health
written - 11-Apr 1785
pages - 448/455

friend - John Lucas of St Dominick
son - Richard & his wife Mary (formerly called Mary Burgess)
grand son - Richard Breen
mentions - Mr Jefferries
son - William & his several children
son-in-law - William Doney & wife Mary
mentions - Commissioners for widening & paving the streets of Plymouth Dock
son - John & his son John - less than 21
daughter - Grace , wife of Thomas Webb of St Mellion
grand son - Richard Hoskin, son of son John less than 21
grand daughter - Elizabeth Kemp Breen less than 21
daughter - Ann Pacham
grand daughter - Sarah Breen (living with daughter Ann Pacham)
son-in-law - John Breen
mentions - daughter Elizabeth Breen, deceased, late wife of John
late daughter Elizabeth Breen's children
grand daughter - Grace Herring
grand sons - Richard Doney, William Doney - less than 18
grand son - John Breen
Elizabeth Kemp, widow of Gilbert Kemp
mentions - Mr Richard Dawe
witnesses - Ann Gilbard, Sarah Fuge, Jno Carpenter

codicil written - 14-Apr 1785
proved - 23-Dec 1785
pages - 455/456

son - Richard
grand daughter - Elizabeth Kemp Breen less than 21
daughter - Grace
witnesses - Thoms Martyn Junr, Charles Hickes Junr, William Stephens

Not sure if this helps with your Hoskin of St Mellion search BUT I found some of the surnames familiar and have "plugged" in the information to see if that leads me anywhere.

Jenny
PS If you find any tangible connection between Peggy Langmaid & Catherine Herring Langmaid I would love to know.
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