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Re: The Estcourt Family(ies) of Painswick

shirleyim73 — 2012-11-03 08:37:41Z

I start with MARTHA ESCOTT, born 1771, having a baby 6 Oct 1793, named Charles, but not naming the father. Address Painswick, Gloucester. Charles married twice and on the second marriage certificate it gives his father as Thomas Estcourt, soldier. MY COUSIN HAS A COPY OF THIS cERT. Will try to get a copy.

Also a photocopy copy of the church records of the birth of his oldest child, with Charles Southeron Estcourt as his name. Very blurry and squashed up, so a bit doubtful.

This Charles had 9 children, the youngest being George
James, born 1835, Painswick. He married in 1854, and emigrated to New Zealand, where he died in 1856, leaving wife with 2 babies, no home and large Drs bills. My great
great grandparents.

Re: thomas estcourt

richeyestcourt — 2012-10-31 09:51:08Z

Hi.

I'll be keeping a close eye on this - I'd a direct descendent of Estcourts in Painswick, and although I've seen a lot of family trees which makes assumptions about who married whom, I've never seen very much evidence.

My oldest relative I can trace for certain is Daniel Estcourt, born around 1720-1724. Some trees relate him to Charles and Mary (Martha), but I've never seen the proof. I gather there was more than one Estcourt family in the Stroud Valley, and although I was always told that my family were related to the Estcourts of Shipton Moyne, again, I can't see the connection with what I have.

Neverthless, it's always good to see other people interested in the Painswick Estcourts. Feel free to go through my family tree - I'll happily compare notes with anyone.

Regards.

Richey Estcourt b.1977

Re: thomas estcourt

shirleyim73 — 2012-10-26 03:07:55Z

I have BACK TO A cHARLES eSTCOURT, 1793 TO 1877, MARRIED TO aNN pHILIPS, 1791 TO 1855. HIS MOTHER WAS mARTHA OR mARY eSCOTT, SO HE WAS ILLEGITIMATE.

ON HIS MARRIAGE CERT. NAMES THOMAS ESTCOURT, PAINSWICK, possibly soldier, AS HIS FATHER. RING ANY BELLS ?

How do I copy you any information I have ? I will extend the tree as I get time, OK?

Re: thomas estcourt

shirleyim73 — 2012-10-26 02:56:49Z

I would love any documents - how do you send the across the world ?
I have a thomas estcourt, may have had an illegitimate son with martha or mary escott. Named Charles, born1793. thomas may have been a soldier.
Does this match any you know ?

Re: thomas estcourt

shirleyim73 — 2012-10-25 10:38:26Z

Yes - very interested. NZ is a long way to find some info.
I have a thomas as father to Charles, born 1793, who married Ann Philips. Problem is he did not marry mother Martha Escott,of Painswick, but someone put his name on Charles' marriage cert. This Thomas was a soldier.

Re: Estcourts in London

SheilaHowitt — 2012-07-17 02:33:43Z

Yes I am still online. Beatrice Kathleen Howitt was my Grand Aunt. She was the daughter of Thomas Howitt and Susan Catherine Holliday, my great grandparents. Harry Joseph Howitt (my grandfather) was brother to Beatrice Kathleen Howitt. If I have it right that would make you my 2nd cousin. So Hi Cousin. So to get this right I have Sidney and Beatrice as having three children, all, I am told kept the Howitt name in their names somewhere. So I have Basil Howitt Estcourt born 1 Jul 1895 in Cape Colony South Africa and he married Grace Parkinson on 26 Jul 1921. I have nothing on Grace. I have nothing on their children. Would this be your grandfather? in which case I have not got the correct info on him. Sidney & Beatrice also had Gerald Dawson Howitt Esctourt born 20th April 1902 in Newport Pagnell District, Buckinghamshire, England and Kathleen Beatrice Estcourt born 15 Jan 1904 in the Newport Pagnell District also. she died on 4 Sep 1968 she married Vicomte Jules Francois Rene Barrois De Sarigne on 27 July 1927 in Staines District Middlesex. I would love to hear the correct info on your side of the family perhaps you could email me on sheila@fairlines.org.uk,

Best wishes
Sheila Best nee Howitt

Re: Estcourts in London

rosew151 — 2012-07-16 13:20:00Z

Info re Samuel Estcourt. I am the great-great-grand-daughter of Samuel Estcourt (B.1825?) married Claudine Louise Metzner on 23.11.1850. One of their sons, Sidney (b.1858) was my great-grand father.

Re: Estcourts in London

rosew151 — 2012-07-16 13:17:29Z

Hi Sheila Howitt. I hope after 5 years you are still on line! I am an Estcourt, great-grand-daughter of Sidney Estcourt (b.1858)married to KB Howitt. SBH Estcourt was my grandfather (one of Sidney's son) and Laurence Basil Sotheron Estcourt was my father (son of SBH Estcourt)so we are definitely related!!I live in Cape Town, South Africa, born in Zambia in 1958. Would love to hear where you fit into the tree. Trying to get info re William Lloyd Metzner (great, great, great grandfather) who we understand, whether true or not, to be the "product" of King George III and someone called Grandma Miles (grand-daughter of the Duke of Partarlington, Ireland. Grandma Miles married Miles Metzner (??).

Rosemary Wikstrom (nee Estcourt)

Re: Estcourts in London

1_rosew59 — 2012-07-16 10:56:20Z

Info re Samuel Estcourt. I am the great-great-grand-daughter of Samuel Estcourt (B.1825?) married Claudine Louise Metzner on 23.11.1850. One of their sons, Sidney (b.1958) was my great-grandfather.

Re: John Elijah Estcourt 1840 - 1909

age67 — 2010-11-18 18:14:02Z

Hi Richey.
My line is as follows :-
The ubiquitous Daniel and Sarah
Solomon and Mary
Daniel and Mary
Daniel and Susannah
George and Anne
Augustus and Eliza
George and Mary
William and Harriet
Stanley and Joyce
Me.
I have Edward and Mary as parents of Daniel but I do not have any further people after that do you.
I would also be grateful for your branch of the family.
Kind regards,
Andy

Re: John Elijah Estcourt 1840 - 1909

richeyestcourt — 2010-11-18 10:06:43Z

I've found out a little bit about him - if you have a look through my family tree, there's some details about his addresses. I understand from other users here that he died in a workhouse in Suffolk, but I don't have the documentary proof of that.

The interesting this is that he seems to have been part of a split in the family. He was one of several brothers, all the in construction game. He and one of his brothers moved to London for a life of obscurity, with John Elijah seeming to live in penury. From census records, it seems that his wife worked until fairly late in life, while John Elijah's bhad no work. At some point after she died, he went off to the workhouse. His son, Robert Hobbs, killed himself in middle-age after losing his job in a bakery. From there on, there's more anectodal detail as his ancestors are still alive, and Deborah Estcourt is a contributor to these forums.

By contrast, his brothers Oliver and Albert gained fortune and reknown through their work. Legend has it they both contributed to the rebuilt Houses of Parliament and Albert Memorial. They established family lines of high-ranking miltary officers, and the late mountaineer Nick Estcourt, who perished on K2 in 1978.

Quite why these brothers found so contrastingly different fortunes is something that I suppose we'll never know.

Andy - what is your branch of the family?

Re: John Elijah Estcourt 1840 - 1909

age67 — 2010-11-17 21:22:01Z

I have John Elijah on my family tree although not a direct relative until the 1700s in Painswick/Pitchcombe area.
Have you managed to find any more information if not I could try to help. My branch of the family also lived in the Islington area and are buried in Highgate Cemetary.
Regards,
Andy

Re: Estcourt Family

deborahestcourt — 2010-08-08 17:28:16Z

Hi
I have not yet looked at your tree. I am a pay as yo go membe on here, therfore I have to receive an invite before I can access other trees - at least that is what they tell me - if you undertsnd how to do this and I receive an invite I will be very interested to read through your tree.
Deborah

Re: Estcourt Family

richeyestcourt — 2010-08-08 11:48:43Z

Have you had a look through my tree? It follows John Elijah's line back a few more generations.

The Estcourt Family(ies) of Painswick

richeyestcourt — 2010-08-08 07:59:24Z

The roots of my family tree are in Painswick, where it seems that Estcourt was not an uncommon name.

I was wondering if anyone else had a particular interest in these families, and was able to shed light on a few queries:

1. Is there any reliable source for the parentage of Daniel Estcourt b.1724 in Painswick?

2. Did his son Thomas b.1750 marry twice, or have a son called Charles b.1793?

Any information about these people would be warmly received.

Many thanks.

Richey Estcourt

Re: estcourts in Eastcourt Wilts/glos

richeyestcourt — 2010-08-08 07:46:07Z

If you're talking about the Shipton Moyne Estcourts and Estcourt-Sotherons etc., there's loads of information on the web.

Go to www.thepeerage.com for starters.

John Elijah Estcourt 1840 - 1909

richeyestcourt — 2010-07-25 21:08:24Z

I'd really like to know more about this man. He is my great-great grandfather, and some time between 1851 and 1871 (where I'm having difficulty finding records), he moved to from Painswick in Gloucester to the Tottenham area. He worked as a stone mason for his entire working life.

I'd be interested to know why he moved. Was there a family link to other Estcourts in the North London area? I can't seem to find where he died, either....

Any information would be great. Many thanks.

Re: Estcourts in London

richeyestcourt — 2010-07-18 08:33:22Z

Hi.

My father is from this family, and he's got some info about the Hackney Estcourts. I did summarise it all in a GEDCOM a few years ago, but it went missing with a stolen computer.....

I'll visit him next weekend (or the one after), and see what there is. I'd be fasciniated if there was ar Richard Estcourt in the family who was an actor....

If your grandfather was Robert Hobbs Estcourt, then we're not too far apart on the tree.

Regards.

Richard - b.1977, Rochford Essex

estcourts in Eastcourt Wilts/glos

cathsargey — 2009-12-20 10:15:14Z

Hi all, my husbands family were in service to the Estcourts, notably Rubina Beard who was a ladies maid. The rest of the family worked on the estate. I am interested in the estate in the 1800s, any info about that or the family would be great.

Re: Estcourts in London

deborahestcourt — 2009-08-28 09:08:23Z

Hi
I a new to this site, ut have been trying to trace my fathers ancestory. His Grandfather was Robert Hobbs Estcourt and although I know a bit, would like to kow much more. I see from the threads that you have some knowledge of the Estcourts. Robert Hobbs was rom Painswick and Married Anniw Fuller ( My dads nan - she brought my dad up). I know of their children and that John Elijah Estcourt was Roberts' father and he had a brother James. They were stonemasons at one time. I would like to find out more and also whether Richard Estcourt Actor and Playwrite of the 1700-1800's was related in any way. There seems to be many more Estcourts than I originally thought and I would be interested to know which are my direct ancestors an which maybe cousins or removed. The family seems to have originated in Gloucester although the children of Annie Fuller and Robert Hobbs were from Islington/Hackney. Any info would be great.
Thanks.

Briggs/ Drew

deborahestcourt — 2009-08-27 09:50:50Z

I am trying to trace my great uncle - he may still be alive. He is Leslie George Briggs, mother Eleanor Beach father John William Briggs in 1918. The family originally lived in Edmonton. Leslie had brother louis/lewis, Frederick (my grandad) John, sisters Elsie, Ruth. The last we heard he was living in Notting Hill in the 1970s. Can anyone tell me any more? I would dearly like to kno if he is still alive and where he is.

Also My grandmother was born lily drew in 1911 to a mother Florence Maria Drew. Father william Drew. She later married William Middleton in 1914.

I want to trace either Florence's parents or my nans (Lily's)father, William Drew. Florence was born in 1884 I assume london.
William Middleton had a previous family of approx 5 daughters in Islington, do any of them know about his second wife Florence's parents?? On their marraige cert she is named as Florence Maria Drew formerly Wilson?
Thank you

Estcourt Family

deborahestcourt — 2009-08-27 09:36:12Z

Looking for some Estcourt family. Links with John Elijah Estcourt son Robert Hobbs estcourt who came to Islingon london and married Annie Fuller. Annie had severel childrenI have fund them all on census. Now want to trace John Elijah back. His brothr was i think James and the family seem to originate in Gloucester.
Also have found Richard estcourt actor,drury lane died and buried in covent garden london c1800 wan to find out if any relation as he was also born in gloucester.

Re: Estcourts in London

SheilaHowitt — 2007-05-01 16:10:07Z

Hi Jannyintn

Oh Yes.... I emailed Len privately and he emailed me back this morning. I come from Beatrice Kathleen Howitt (Sidney's wife) side of the family. She was my grandaunt. Apparently I am the first from her side to make contact. He has been so helpful already.

Thank you and I will keep you posted.

Sheila

Re: Estcourts in London

jannyintn — 2007-05-01 15:57:01Z

Oh, you are going to be SO happy! Do you see the other post in this thread; the one from Len Metzner? Well it is your lucky day, because he knows a great deal about the Estcourts as a sideline to his research on the Metzners. (Your Sidney's mother was a Metzner.) Email him and tell him "Janet sent you." There is a mystery at the heart of the Metzers we have been working to solve. Me for a couple of years, Len for many more. Maybe you will be the one to help bring the final piece of the puzzle to light! Keep me posted! Janet

Re: Estcourts in London

SheilaHowitt — 2007-05-01 00:52:23Z

Hi

I saw your posting and I am wondering if it includes my Sidney Estcourt born 1858 (Q4 Hackney Middlesex Greater London v: 1b p: 328) and married Beatrice Kathleen Howitt in 1894. He was in the 1901 census and it mentioned he came from Dalston London.

Would this be your Sidney? And if so do you have more information on him and his family that you can share with me?

Kind regards
Sheila Best
(nee Howitt)

Re: thomas estcourt

PCarr9257 — 2006-09-07 14:48:59Z

hello chris
please contact me on peter@biscuitware.co.uk

Re: Estcourt - Lomas

sillyspoon75 — 2006-02-11 16:07:07Z

They also had a daughter, Margaret Emily Lomas(b. 1875 Plumstead, Kent), who married someone whos last name was Kidd, and had a daughter, Marjorie Emily Kidd.

Emily Caroline Estcourt had a sister called Charlotte Ellen, who married Henry Frederick Clarke in 1894, they had a daughter called Dorothy Ellen (or Ellen Dorothy) Clarke.

Emily and Charlottes parents were James Estcourt (b. 11.9.1826) and Eliza (I think her maiden name was Baxfield, but I'm not sure of this.)

I know a bit more, but I'm not entirely certain its correct.
Please reply, it would be nice to compare trees.

Re: Estcourts in London

2005-05-09 06:46:48Z

Will be pleased to hear from you, have researched these families for past 18 years.

Estcourts in London

jannyintn — 2005-05-07 21:51:00Z

Seeking more info about Samuel Estcourt and Claudine Louise Metzner. Married Nov.23, 1850. Known children: Alfred Samuel 1851, Florence Jemima 1853, Rowland Metzner 1855, Sidney 1858, Claudine Leonora 1860. Have copy parish record, Church of St. James, Winchester.

Estcourts in USA

jannyintn — 2005-05-07 21:43:50Z

A branch of the family emigrated to USA in the early 20th century. Rowland Metzner Estcourt (son of Samuel Estcourt and Claudine Louise Metzner), wife Constance Annie Swain and Constance Rosemary, Doris Elfrida, Vivien Fitzgeorge Sotheron, and George Rowland Damer (their four children) sailed to the US in various combinations over several years (in the teens). Have copies of bible pages, births, deaths, marriage. Also sailing info. from Ellis Island.

Estcourt - Lomas

mshowere751 — 2004-03-08 00:47:42Z

I am looking for information on Emily Caroline Estcourt. The only info I have is that she was married to John George Lomas and had at least one child, Charles James Estcourt Lomas. If any one could help I would be very grateful.

Re: family tree

cjk25 — 2003-11-21 12:51:38Z

I too am interested in this family and would be happy to share information.

Re: thomas estcourt

2003-06-30 13:22:19Z

Estcourts are my direct ancestors and I should be very grateful if you were able to copy me with anything you have.

Thanks,
Chris Knight

Re: thomas estcourt

2003-06-30 13:20:48Z

I have a Henry Estcourt (Great Grand Uncle) who was a doctor born around 1844. I should be fascinated to hear if this is the same fellow and if so what he was sent for trial for.

Thanks,
Chris

family tree

2003-05-17 14:49:22Z

Looking for anything on Charles Muir Estcourt. 12D 01M 1893
in Scotland. He had 5 sisters 4 brothers. One brother moved to Canada after ww1, ONE sister moved to W.A in Australia and Charles Moved to Austraila after ww1

Re: thomas estcourt

petercarr61 — 2003-04-03 21:29:51Z

I have a Henry Estcourt (Doctor) who was sent for trial in 1891. This one of yours?

Re: thomas estcourt

2002-08-12 12:54:01Z

I have some documents relating to the name Estcourt,which gives a history of the name from the Domesday Book to the 1700's.
Is this of interest to you?

thomas estcourt

angelalevy78 — 2002-03-15 18:15:11Z

i have alot of estcourt's in my family will
you please reply to me. a.levy4@tinyworld.
co.uk.