Search for content in message boards

Children of Sir George Downing

Replies: 53

Re: The Downings of Bradninch in Devon, England & Clotworthy link.

Posted: 1265556691000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Downing, Blois, Clotworthy, Morrision, Wingfield, Hogan, Jackson, Rowe.
Hello Mary Lou,
Thank you for your email and the link to the BYU Digital Library. I followed your instructions and entered "Adam Downing" in "The Exact Phrase" box. If I remember correctly there were 9 'hits', before I looked at 'A History of Delaware County ..... V.2' I looked at number 8 -'Sir George Downing Ambassador & Master Spy and I must point out 3 mistakes -

No.25* - Emanuel Downing's father was George but the name of his mother in the buriel register dated 21 Dec. 1610 of St. Lawrence Church, Ipswich, Suffolk, England has been left blank. His father died shortly after his mother.

A George Downing certainly did marry a Dorcas Blois but he died in 1655, buried in Spexhall, Suffolk and Dorcas in 1638, buried in St. Georges Church, the village of St. Cross, South Elmham, Suffolk. If anyone has evidence that Emanuel's mother was named Dorcas I do hope they let this board know.

No?* States that 'Colonel Adam Downing' went to Ireland in 1690. - a] He was at the Seige of Londonderry in 1689. b] He was a Captain during the Seige.

No47* The inscription on the Downing family vault, in the churchyard, next to the main door of St. Tida's Church, Bellaghy Co. Londonderry does not say -
"Descendant from ancient Devonshire family of Clotworthy" it says and I quote from the picture of the vault -
"In this place are deposited the remains of Adam Downing Esq - descended from an ancient family in Devonshire and honorably allied in this kingdom, ....."
I wish the name Clotworthy was mentioned as my tree started by my great grandfather names Adam's mother as a Clotworthy. So if anyone has information I would be grateful.
I have no idea if the above mistakes can be corrected.

Now to 'A History of Delaware County, Pennsylvania, and its People' page 584. Unfortunately there are more mistakes but I can only comment on the Downings from Geoffrey Downing of Poles Belcham, nowdays Belchamp St. Paul, Essex to John Downing son of Adam Downing, and only on certain sections I have already covered, but if anyone has exact dates of BMD's with references for other dates that would be a help.

1st paragraph.
a]Arthur Downing & Susan Calybut did not marry June 10,1573.
the date was Nov.22 1570 [Ref: Parish Reg. FL.501/4/1.]

2nd paragraph.
b]Arthur's eldest son may not have been Calybute. The
original Norfolk Visitations dated 1589 state son John
Downing 'son and heir' this was signed by Arthur. His
other children were girls on the Visitations! 'Dorothye,
Anne & Suzan'
c]Calybute & Elizabeth Morrision nee Wingfield did not marry
Jan.8 1594. The date was Dec.15 1604 [Ref. Tinwell, Co.
Rutland Reg. DE 2271/1]
e]Emanuel was not the child of Calybute. He was the son of
George Downing the headmaster of what is now called the
Ipswich School, Ipswich, Suffolk.
f]Calybute[2] was not the son of Calybute[1] & Ann Hogan
Calybute[2] was the son of [C.1] & Elizabeth Morrison nee
Wingfield baptised Oct 27 1605.[Ref. Bishop White
Kennetts Collections in B.M. Lansdown MSS 991 f145.]

3rd paragraph.
g]There is no proof that Emanuel & Lucy nee Winthrop had
sons named Nicholas or Henry.

4th paragraph.
h]As g] 3rd paragraph.
i]Working on the assumption that the 'Kings Own Guards' is
The First Regiment of Foot Guards raised in 1656 now
called The Grenadier Guards. Henry Downing said to have
held an officer's commission in the Kings Own Guards is
not on their lists. There are 2 John Downings - joining
dates 1660 and 1675 and a Robert Downing - joining date
1667. [Info - 'Nominal Roll of Officers of Royal Regiment
of Guards, raised in England, 1660 by Colonel John
Russell.']
j]There is no proof that Henry Downing married Jane
Clotworthy on June 2 1665. But there is proof from Adam
Downing's will dated Jan 4 1716 proved 1721, [Sir William
Betham's Abstracts of Prerogative Court of Armagh Wills.
National Archives.IE. Ref. BET 1/17 entry 166 & a copy of
his will I have], that Adam's mother was named Jane.
k]There is no proof that Adam's father was named Henry
Downing and his mother's maiden name was Clotworthy.
l]There is proof in Adam's will that he had a brother named
George, and Samuel. No other siblings are mentioned.

5th paragraph.
m]Adam Downing was born in 1666 but I have found no month or
day. The date for his death is given on the vault as 15th
Dec. 1719 and not May 17th.
n]Adam very possibly lived in London but I doubt he lived
in Downing Street, it would be interesting to see
evidence.
o]King William of Orange landed in Ireland 14th June 1690.
Adam Downing had already fought at the Seige of
Londonderry - 18th April 1689 to 1st August 1689.
p]Adam's wife was not Margaret Jackson she was named Ann.
They had 5 sons and 2 daughters - from Adam's will.
q]The eldest son Henry could not have died in 1712 as he was
still alive at the time Adam made his will in 1716 and was
a joint executor with his uncle George.

6th paragraph.
r]Colonel Adam Downing's son John was the second eldest not
the youngest. He did not die in 1762, his wife died in
1776 and he remarried in 1779. The date I have for his
death is 1785, even this may be out.
s]He did not marry Margaret Rowe he married Anne Rowe the
daughter of the Rev. Simon Rowe who for their wedding
gift gave them a house that they named Rowesgift which
still stands on one of the roads into Bellaghy, but since
the early 1900's is no longer in the Downing family.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If anyone can give any BMD dates on the Downing section on page 584 of 'A History of Delaware County...' with primary sources do post them for others to see. There is so much incorrect information on the Downings which has been going round in circles for some years now.

Again thank you Mary Lou for sending me the link.
Best wishes, Jill.

















SubjectAuthorDate Posted
JillThorn12 1344089594000 
stumpie37882 1344090900000 
JillThorn12 1344113106000 
rdown3657 1262731477000 
JillThorn12 1264263317000 
rdown3657 1264440731000 
JillThorn12 1265483599000 
mlcole50 1264891353000 
JillThorn12 1265556691000 
mlcole50 1315201613000 
per page

Find a board about a specific topic