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Re: Anyone know of Thomas Dortch

chribare — 2015-04-16 05:07:37Z

Denise are you still researching Im a Dorch Member Of Thomas and Elizabeth. -Christy

Re: Anyone know of Thomas Dortch

zandenman — 2014-08-15 19:37:05Z

Did they live in Lower Peachtree Alabama?...which is near North Florida....my great grandparents are a Tom and Elizabeth Dortch....

my family

cdortch74 — 2014-03-04 06:11:42Z

Looking for my family in grandfather was arthur lee dortch from little rock arkansas

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

tdgreer714 — 2013-12-29 22:41:58Z

Hey Cuz,

This is Tim. I'm beginning to write a book and would like to include any information you might have. Pass it on. I will start from m the beginning, from the time of "Uncle Top"'s parents before most of them left Vaughan, MS. Our cousin Ricky, who still lives there, is gonna give me some background information. Have a Happy Holidays, and I hope to hear from you soon...

TG
313-384-8305

Re: Frankie DORTCH, b. Wilcox Co. AL

prettywarrior — 2013-08-26 05:00:29Z

Hello Samantha , my first name is Charlynski. You can call me Charlie . Yes, Hattie Packer is my great -grandmother. Well hello cousin! My mother is Gladys Moore. Mildred Dortch Westry is her mother. They grew up in Birmingham. My mother currently lives in Pennsylvaina. I live in North Carolina
I am stationed here with the military. We have family every where . It is nice to make contact with you. I was trying to find out who Preston Dortch father is? He is my grandmothers ,grandfather.I have them all on my tree. I would like to add there children's names. His wife name is Narriccess. I do not know if I spelled it correctly.

Re: Frankie DORTCH, b. Wilcox Co. AL

Stephens_Samantha — 2013-08-14 03:10:11Z

Hello Ms, Moore. I'm Samantha Granddaughter of Betty Ann Dortch, and my Great Grandfather is Peter Dortch (William's brother) Would Mildred's mother have been Hattie Packer? I do have a William Dortch connected to my tree but no census said anything about Mildred or Frankie.

Re: Frankie DORTCH, b. Wilcox Co. AL

prettywarrior — 2013-08-13 20:39:08Z

Hello, My name is Ms Moore,my grandmother, parents where from there. Is Mr. Frankie Dortch the brother of Mildred Dortch Westry and the son of William Dortch. Because my mom just traveled down there for her aunt funeral. Mildred is my grand mother and William is my great grand father. I just assume all the Dortch was related to me. I just knew of a uncle William in Detroit, MI .

Re: Mattie Dortch

renitacdortch — 2013-08-07 19:58:40Z

Hey Iris....

Your cousin Renita here.....
Get with me so that we can compare the notes we have in our family tree. Of course my Grandfather Philip was Mattie and Reese's grandson. I have also done research on Phil Bellamy, whose wife's name was Rachel. Mattie's maiden name was Head and her father was Joseph (I think).
This is all so interesting. Look forward to talking to you more.

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

marlanageisler1 — 2013-06-30 20:47:40Z

Good plan. You will also find some marriage records in early 1600's in London for Dortch and quite a bit of data in parish records in Devonshire. So far I haven't been able to make the connection, but one of us will one of these days as more records come to light. Good luck, and I look forward to whatyou find.

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

ddortch25 — 2013-04-29 13:10:55Z

I have decided that I am going to start looking for more information regarding those in London. Surry County, Virginia is named for Surrey County, England and has some of Southwestern London within its borders, including some churches that have Dortch baptisms on record. It seems like the place to research, to me.

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

mljeffer — 2012-12-11 14:29:49Z

Hmmm...if your Uncle was a twin...then we're related some kindda way!.....well then again...maybe not since I'm on Ms Dortch's side. I'm on F-A-C-E-B-O-O-K!

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

sartu79 — 2012-12-10 20:40:51Z

Hey, I can't say that this is the same family or not; however, Willie Mae was married to my Uncle, his name was Theopolis Dortch; he was born in Vaughan, MS. They had no biological children and adopted a son, who is now deceased as well. This son had children and a wife; don't know their names. Iam interested in finding out more about you as well.

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

sartu79 — 2012-12-10 20:35:45Z

Hi, I don't know a lot about Willie Mae; however, she was married to my uncle; his name was Theopolis Dortch, they didn't have any children and adopted a son, named him Theopolis Jr.. He died several years ago. I don't know his wifes' name nor his childrens' names.

Hope that this helps.

sartu79@gmail.com

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

marlanageisler1 — 2012-08-08 03:09:54Z

Yes, there are some ship records but it is a mistake to believe they all survived. The bulk of the official English ship records to the new world (and elswwhere) were destroyed during WWII during bombing raids. Unfortunately most had not been published elsewhere prior to then.

Peter Wilson Coldham has done an outstanding service to genealogy by putting together other records to recreate arrivals. For example, he has used court records to determine who was deported to the new world and these often mentioned a specific ship. If you read some of his books, you will see many records saying things like it was reported that the Ship arrived with 140 men and women - and unfortunately often not named. He also reports references to probated wills in England that reference someone in the colonies. However, these aren't actual ship records. There are also the land records and tithing lists in early Virginia to help supplement. As a result we have many, many records but not full ship records to rely on. Another difficulty is in how the name of Dortch may be spelled as our spelling rules of today simply didn't exist then. And handwriting can be misinterpreted: once I found someone I knew was a Dortch listed in the index under the more common name of Portch! So it is a challenge to read all these. I have also read the microfilmed Court Order books in the early areas in Virginia where clues are found and that is where I found the discrepancy in the name Walter versus William Dortch.

Over time as more and more records are made available, I hope we will finally solve this mystery.

Keep searching!

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

ddortch25 — 2012-08-06 19:54:48Z

I would think that a ship passenger record would be available by now. I am sure that they were kept then, as there were detailed records even for the Jamestown settlement. I think that would go a long way in seeing this through.

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

marlanageisler1 — 2012-08-05 07:18:58Z

Patience: I have working this line now for over 30 years. Keep in mind that many church records in England are still not on line. Believe me records are incredibly easy to find now. Ordering and reading microfilms as they became available was tough amd generally no indexes. Now everything becomes available so quickly.

There are several Dortch families in England - including in London and Devonshire but with incomplete records, it is difficult. It is also possible that John was born in Virginia. Personally I would think a birth around 1687 would be a little late for our John. Our John is in the company of foot in Surry Co VA by 1702. It is possible as born about 1687 would make him 15 years old. While militia service generally was required at age 16 to 60 and boys started appearing on tithing lists then, it is possible. I keep thinking I have something on him in 1699 in Virginia too but tonight can't spot it.

There are even less birth records in Virginia at this same time frame. Many of the Virginia parish records do not survive from the 1600's and were often incomplete in any case. While there was the established church some people did not attend - as shown by the many who were fined for failure to attend church. However, that may not apply to our John as his son David was certainly active in the parish later. Most of the minute books from the county courts in Virginia are not indexed and many not on film so the possiblity of more information turning up does exist.

You would be surprised how many times I have just given up on a particular line when suddenly a new record showed up and I had new clues to give me hope again or helped me resolve a question. It is wonderful how many people today are sharing their research. Keep trying!

Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

RitaCobb68 — 2012-06-13 13:01:50Z

Marlana,
I can't get it to work. I can't click on contact. I am using rootsweb instead of ancestry direct, could that be the problem. I also have an old email for you. should I try that.

Sorry,
Rita

Re: Dortch Expert

RitaCobb68 — 2012-06-06 11:15:49Z

Marlane,
The Idonia, in my grandma Dorch's letters was the sister of my grandpa Dorch - Roscoe. She was not John Dortch Sr.'s sister. My grandpa Dorch & Idonia were bother & sister & were my John A. Dorch & Hannah Frances Rice's children. Sorry for the confusion. I will check my letters again to see if I got the right state for the visits Idonia made to Mary. Idonia couldn't have been visiting with Frank, because she wasn't born until 1881. She must have visited with Mary & her second husband.
If the Ruben John Dortch listed as a bondsman on Frank's wedding certificate, is my John A. Why didn't he sign his real name on a legal paper.
I have been looking at census records for my John A. but still nothing.
I think you are right about John A Dortch Jr. ( the John that married Amanda Meeks)being my John A.'s dad. I don't think he and Susan Greenslate married. But the fact that he had son, and none were named John A, might mean he already had a son named John.
Sorry I don't have your email so I couldn't email you directly.

Thanks Cousin for all you help!
Rita

Re: Dortch Expert

RitaCobb68 — 2012-05-29 13:52:02Z

Marlana,
Again, thanks for your reply. It made me feel wonderful, when you called me cousin. I have been looking at the Dortch family for a while. After reading the letters and doing some research, I was fairly certain I had the right line, but no proof. When you called me cousin, I felt like I was on the right track.
In my post, I didn’t mean Frank married his step sister. I meant Frank married my John A’s stepsister Mary. That is if Susan Jane Greenslate is his mom and she married Mr. Corlon and they had Mary.
Also, I don’t think Susan marry her step-brother John. Susan’s mom didn’t marry John Sr. until 1853. So when my John A was born in 1852, there would have been no connection.
Sorry for those confusions!
I have look for my John in the 1860 Kentucky census under Corlon and have found nothing. According to my letters, my John lived with Susan and Mr. Corlon when he was young so you would think he would be there. I have also looked under Greenslate & Barney, thinking he might be with other grandparents, but again nothing. I also checked the 1860 census for Scioto Co. , Ohio because I think that is where Susan & Mr. Corlon were married. Again nothing. However, I plan to check again because I could have missed something.
I have recently, wondered, like you, if my John A’s dad was John A. Dortch Jr. (the John that married Amanda Meek). Like you, I found that although he had sons, none were named John. As you state, they may have had my John A and just never married. If my John A’s parents weren’t married, would they leave him off the census?
Now for a question. I got some information one time that I think was from your research. Anyway, it states that John Sr. & Sarah Stockman (wife #2) had a son born 1835 - 1840, that died young. According to the information, you list him as #40. Do you think that he could be my John A’s father?
I may never find out for sure just who my John A’s dad was (I do believe his mom was Susan Jane b. 1836 – at least for now) but I feel like I have found the right line. Thank you ! !

Thanks Again Cousin,
Rita

Re: Dortch Expert

RitaCobb68 — 2012-05-26 11:08:25Z

Marlana,
Thanks again for your reply. John Allen married Hannah Frances Rice on 07 Oct 1880. I have 2 letters, one from my grandma dortch & one from my uncle. Both letters state that John Allan left Kentucky when he was 18 & came to Illinois and lived around LaHarpe, Il. I know of no other place he lived. I can find him on Illinois census in 1880, but never in Kentucky. If he left Kentucky when he was 18, that might explain why he isn't on the Kentucky 1870 census, but I couldn't find him on the 1860 census either.
I don't think I made my last post to clear. Sorry. I don't think John Dortch Sr. (born 1804) was my John Allan's Dad. I think that John Dortch Sr. was his grandpa. The letters I have state that my John Allan's dad died about 2 months after he was born from a fall off a horse.

Here are the facts stated in the two letters:
1. Grandama Dorch states that John Allan was born in Greenup, Kentucky and didn't talk much about his youth.
2. She says his dad was a John (2) and his mother a Greenslate.
3. Uncle Duane says that John Allan's Grandpa was also named John (Sr.) and that he came from Virginia.
4. Uncle Duane says that John Allen's Grandpa John (Sr.) was married 3 times.
5. They settled in Northeastern Kentucky, across the river from Portmouth, Ohio.
6. Uncle Duane states that John's (Sr.) third wife, Susannah Barney Greenslate, had a daughter Susan Jane.
7. He states that John (2) married , Susan Jane, and that they had John Allen.
8. Both letters state that when John Allen was about two months old, his dad John(2) was killed when the horse he was riding threw him. He died of internal injuries.
9. Susan Jane later married a man named Carlon.
10. Susan & Mr. Carlon had two girls, Mary and Martha according to the letters. I can find Mary, but not Martha.
11. Uncle Duane states that when John Allen was 13, Mr. Carlon died, and John Allen went to live with his Grandpa John Sr.
12. Grandma Dorch states that when John Allen went to live with his Grandpa, there was a boy named Frank in the house also. They were about the same age and liked to play tricks on the adults. Grandma Dorch thinks this Frank was a cousin & also living with his Grandparents. However, from my research, this Frank had to be John Sr. & Susannah's son.
13. Grandma Dorch states, that this Frank later married John Allen's step sister Mary. Mary is Susan Jane & Mr. Carlon's daughter.
14. Grandma Dorch also states that Frank & Mary lived in Iowa and that Grandpa Dorch's sister, Idonia would visit them.
15. In the spring of 1871, at the age of 18 1/2 , John left Kentucky.

I have never found a marriage certitficate for Susan Jane & John Dortch. If Susan Jane Greenslate is my John Allan's mom, she would have been about 16 at the time of his birth. I am wondering if perhaps John Allan was illegitimate and maybe not be mentioned on a census.
Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the length of this post.
Thanks,
Rita

Re: Dortch Expert

RitaCobb68 — 2012-05-25 19:34:38Z

Thanks for your reply Marlana! Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, but I haven't been on the message board lately. I think I emailed you once and you said you would like to help. My G Grandfather is John A Dortch b. Sept. 7, 1852 d. May 25, 1929. That is on his tombstone. His death certificate list John Dortch as his father & Susan Greenslate (Susannah Barney Greenslate's daughter) as his mother. I am looking to find who John Allan's father is and where he would fit in. I really think John Allan's father was a son of John Dortch Sr. born 1804, but I can't prove it yet. I have some family letters that leads me to this conclusion. Like you, I have looked at census records & other Dortch families, but have found nothing. If you can be of any help, just let me know & I could email you.

THANKS,
Rita

Re: Afro-American Dortch

jordansjustice30 — 2011-11-26 06:47:33Z

Hello, my Dortch family hails from Toccoa, GA.

Re: Afro-American Dortch

jordansjustice30 — 2011-11-26 06:47:30Z

Hello, my Dortch family hails from Toccoa, GA.

Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

ddortch25 — 2012-04-22 15:19:09Z

I am looking for any documents that verify the ancestors of John David Dortch born in 1680 in Surry, VA. I have only found the "Family Data Collection - Births" record that lists his birth and names his father as Walter Dortch and mother as Joane.

There are many folks that have somehow tied his parents to Walter Dortch and Joane (Joanne) Whittfield. I see no valid proof of this anywhere, however. Most of what I have seen is a marriage record from Barnstaple, England of a William Darch to a Joane Whittfield, however, this doesn't validate this, and there is more than one Joane Whittfield in that area at that time, from what I have found.

Further, from there, some have listed Nathan Dortch b. abt. 1602 in "Germany" as Walter's father. I don't know where that information is found, either. A key point is that "Germany" didn't exist in the 17th century, so if a proper state could be found, that would be great. The Dortch name has been tied to many places, including Barmen, Prussia, which is present day Wuppertal, Germany.

So, any documents about birth, marriage, death, or especially passenger records would be great.

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

ddortch25 — 2012-08-05 02:09:08Z

I have found a record of a John Dortch being born to a William and Mary Dortch in London, England with a baptism on April 3, 1687. At this point, this is the best record I have found of a stop over in England. This would also explain the lack of records of John's birth and parentage within Virginia, as he wouldn't have been born there.

I am getting a bit frustrated with this :(

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-06-18 02:48:13Z

Hi Rita, I can be reached directly at marlana.geisler@comcast.net on the Dortch family.

Thank you,

Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-06-06 23:57:07Z

Hi Rita,

We aren't supposed to enter an emai or contact info here. Instead I keep sending my email to you via ancestry. You can do the same. Click on my name in this post and then click on contact and enter your email and any message. Ancestry will forward the contact email so that it isn't posted for everyone to see. Ancestry has both our emails and once we do this way they know we are giving permission to get in touch with each other directly. I look forward to hearing from you directly soon. Thank you, Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-05-29 02:46:10Z

Hi Rita,

Thank you so much for the detailed reply: it really helps sort this out. There is always a great deal of truth in family stories. Yes, John Sr. (born Mecklinburg co VA) did marry three times and his 3rd wife was Susannah Barney Greenslates. Their son Francis Marion Dortch aka Frank did live with them of course. Frank didn't marry a step-sister: he married 20 Aug 1873 in Greenup Co. Mary Jane Corlon at the home of his parents. They had three children together before his death in 1879. Interestingly one of the bondsmen for his marriage was Ruben John Dortch who I have not successfully identified: I wonder if that happens to be your John?

Neither John A. Dortch Sr. nor his second son, John A. Dortch Jr. were killed by the fall of a horse. Although I have heard a story that John Sr.'s first wife (Susanna Stockham) may have died from the fall of a horse. She may instead of died of the epidemic that broke out in the county in 1833 that also killed John Sr.'s mother. I am a little inclined to believe the horse story because her oldest son William (age 7 at her death) was afraid of horses! That had to very unusual in that time frame so I have wondered if he saw his mother killed by a horse.

John A. Dortch Jr. did not die until 3 June 1907 in Cass Co Missouri. He married on 13 Aug 1855 Amanda Meek. They had nine children - none of the 7 living children were named John. This might be explainable if he already had a son named John A Dortch.

A first cousin, John Young Dortch (son of George) and living nearby married 15 Dec 1855 Julia Ann Jones. Their son John Y Jr wasn't born until 1865. I don't have John Y sr. death date but he was living in the 1900's.

Susannah B. Greeslates Dortch's daughter Susan clearly didn't marry her step-brother John as we have documented marriages for both her and John to others. But Susan would have been about 16 when your John A was born: I am still wondering if this is the real set of parents but they just were never married. I would like very much to locate Susan and her husband and family on the 1860 census: I am wondering if John is in that household - possibly mis-identified with her husband's surname at that time. If we can find him as child that would be very helpful.

There are only three John Dortch's in Greenup County who could possibly be your John's father: John Dortch, Sr., John Dortch Jr. and his cousin John Y. Dortch. That your records all seem to point to John A. Dortch Jr, I think we seriously must consider this is probably the case but also that his parents simply weren't married. There could be so many reasons that wasn't mentioned. The alleged death of his father when he was two months old could have also been to help conceal this fact.

I don't question at all that your John is part of the Dortch family and I think we are getting closer to sorting it out. I will try to search the 1860 Greenup County census for Susan and her husband and see what we find.

Cousin, delighted to be in touch with you!

Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-06-06 03:04:43Z

Hi Rita,

Reread tonight and picked up another clue or two. As far as I know, John Dortch Sr. did not have a sister named Idonia but I don't have all his sisters names. I am missing five!!! Out of ten children. The sisters I have are Frances, Helica (Hillica) and Susannah - all family names. Also as far as I know, and on this I am fairly certain, John A. Dortch Jr had no sisters - certainly not living ones - named Idonia. Wondering on this if maybe the name or relationship isn't quite right. There are a couple of his Dortch cousins named Dora - I have been looking to see if I can find any Ida's. I did run a quick search on Idonia as a first name in Kentucky and it seems to be around and a few but couldn't identify anyone by that name in Greenup County. However, it sounds vaguely familiar to me. There was Iza Dora (my grt-grt aunt) but she died as a young child. Maybe a Greenslate or Barney relative instead. I am inclined to think that your John A may be the Ruben John Dortch listed as a bondsman on Frank's wedding certificate as I have never been able to identify him elsewhere. Frank & Mary probably never lived in Iowa as their children are born in Greenup County and Frank dies there in 1879. However I believe Mary does remarry so maybe she later lived in Iowa. I shall look further for that. Hope this helps. Please email me directly so I can send you some further data. Your cousin, Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-05-30 00:52:38Z

Hi Rita,

Based on the data you have provided, I really believe the most likely explanation is that John A. Dortch Jr is the father of your John. How we will confirm for sure is still uncertain. It might be worthwhile to check out John Jr's will. Also, I need to check out if any of John A.'s descendants are still doing research: they may have heard a story on their side of the family to help. The death certificate you have on John Allen will serve as secondary evidence of his parents.

I know it isn't much comfort but the 1860 census is a bit notorious for having missing people. War was in the air and a lot of people were underreported for a variety of reasons. No, marital status of parents wouldn't have kept John off the census unless for possible example his mother or other family member answered the census takers questions and just didn't mention him due to circumstances. Unfortunately that could be an answer. Also, census taker could have asked who was living there then: and that day he was staying at grandparents. Then at grandparents house a few days later, he had gone back to Mom's. That can happen then. I have found lots of whacky stuff on the census over the years.

I think we have to accept that your John Allen knew his parents names - may not have mentioned they were unmarried as that was more of an issue then. But that his middle initial is A. seems to clarify that his father is most likely John A. Dortch Jr. I was inclined to think that John A was for John Adams Dortch as older brother of senior was George Washington Dortch. Presidents were always popular. Interesting. I am thinking if we have a new clue on earlier connections perhaps to an Allen family.

From the census data it does appear that John Sr. & Sarah did have a son, but it also appears that he died young (infant or young child). I don't believe he lived long enough to be a parent. He isn't around by 1850 census and doesn't show on tax lists or any other records. Most families lost children at a young age back then. And again I doubt John Sr would have had two living sons named John.

The more I am looking at this the more I am convinced we have the answer but it would be nice to find some additional supporting evidence. Too many things do match up.

Your cousin,

Marlana

Re: Verifying Ancestors of John Dortch b.1680 Surry, VA, USA

marlanageisler1 — 2012-04-23 17:06:03Z

Hi, You and I are in agreement: I have yet to see any proof that John Dortch is the son of Walter Dortch. He is very possibly related due to the unusual surname, but Walter's estate settlement shows refernce to widow Joan only. I also see no evidence of a middle name of David. I think someone sometime has mixed this up with his son David.

1680 is a good estimate of birth time frame. In Dec 1702 John Dorth is listed in a company of Foot under Capt William Brown in Surry Co VA. Next he is listed on a tithing list in Jun 1703 in Surry Co. And there are many documents in Surry Co for him with references to his wife Hillica (Barefoot). I haven't found a will for him but believe he died around 1746 due to the way some deeds involving his two sons John and David are written about that time. He does in 1725 obtain land in Isle of Wight county and he may have moved there about that time as he subsequently witnesses wills there in the 1730's.

The name of Walter Dortch is also somewhat questionable simply because in Surry County Court Orders showing returns and admins on the estate in one in 1683 he is identified as William Dorch, deceased and in 2 June 1684 identified as Walter Dorch. So two different men of the same name who died in Surry County at the same time - probably not - but name is questionable.

I have not found a matching Walter Dortch in English records but your identification of a William Darch married to a Joanne Whittfied is very interesting.

Family tradition from several distantly related sources states the Dortch family came originally from Holland, then to England, and finally to Virginia. I have identified the name of Dortch in Holland - the surname is certainly Bavarian in orign which makes sense as Holland was ruled for a very long time by the Hapsburgs and many south German families were settled there. Family tradition also states John's father was Nathan but I have found no records of a Nathan in Virginia or England at the right time frame so far. Nathan is the name of either a younger son of John and Helica or a son of John Jr.

I have the children of John and Helica as John (Jr) and David for certain and both born prior to 1720 as they are adults owning land in the 1740's. Two other possible children are Nathan Dortch and Hilica Dortch who married Jacob Bethany - both may instead be the children of John Jr. but based on some of the dates I wonder if they have been attributed to the wrong generation.

I am happy to share data,

Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-05-26 02:51:55Z

Rita, what is John's wife's name? It isn't Julia, is it? Just want to make sure. Are you aware of him living anywhere other than LaHarpe, Hancock, KS and obviously Kentucky? Please advise. Thank you, Marlaan

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2012-05-26 02:23:02Z

Hi Rita,

Delighted to hear from you and I would love to help you solve this. Two points you should be aware of: John Dortch Sr. and his second wife separated and divorced in the early 1850's. If he and Susannah had a child about this time, that could be the answer why. They didn't marry until 2 Sept 1853 so about a year after John Allen Dortch's birth. Susannah also appears on some records as Susan so I would not assume the mother of John Allen was her daughter. Doesn't seem probable that John Sr. & Susannah would marry if he had just had a child with her daughter. I am concerned that your John Allen doesn't appear with the family on the 1860 census when he is only 8 years old or even 1870 when he is 18. My problem is I am not finding him in Greenup County on either census. Now that you have a death certificate stating his parents, it is very intriguing. Does it state who provided the information on his personal data? Let me look a little more with these dates and see what I find. Thank you, I am excited about this. Marlana

Re: Dortch Expert

marlanageisler1 — 2011-07-20 00:33:21Z

Hi Rita, My 3 greats grandfather, John Dortch, Sr. of Greenup Co, was married 3 times. His third wife was Susannah (aka Susan) Barney (Mrs. James Greenslate). They married 2 Aug 1853 in Scioto Co., Oh - both were residents of Greenup Co. KY. They married following his divorce in Greenup Co. from Sarah Stockham in 1852. My records don't show a John A Dortch as their son, and I don't spot him on Greenup Co Censuses, but I would certainly like to help you solve this mystery. It is always possible as there must have been a reason for the divorce!!! John already had a living son by his first wife, John A. Dortch, Jr. born October 1830. John and Susan had twin sons born 19 Aug 1855: Francis M. and Thomas F. Dortch. Thomas died of measles in 1858. John & Susan also had 3 daughters. Susan had at least 6 children with her first husband, and the younger ones are raised within the Dortch family. I have been searching other Dortch families in case there is another John with matching birthdate to yours and so far can't place him elsewhere. I would be happy to share information with you and would be happy to try to help you solve this mystery.

Re: William DORTCH, Sr.

marlanageisler1 — 2011-07-20 00:11:00Z

Hi, It was always tradition in my family that the Dortch family were Holland Dutch. My great-grandmother was very proud of that and taught her children that. In the 1960's several other Dortch researchers shared the stories with me in their branches of the family also that the family were Holland Dutch and allegedly came to England with William of Orange in 1688. This seems inconsistent with research brought to light in later years. Our earliest proven ancestor in America is John Dortch and he is definitely present in early 1690's in Virginia. It is possible that he is the son of William or Walter Dortch who died in same area in 1680's but there is no certain link: could be a nephew instead and even not closely related. If child, there is no surviving record of guardian appointed that I have seen yet, nor provision for inheritance: seems to provide for widow only. There are Dortch families in Devonshire and London areas in same time frame - either might be where ours lead. There are Dortch families in Holland in Brabant. The interesting thing is that they originally appear to have come from Bavaria - possibly at an earlier time when the Hapsburgs were ruling both areas. Since they certainly would have married into Dutch families, I think the strong family tradition that they were Dutch is believable, but suspect they were in England well prior to 1688!

Re: William DORTCH, Sr.

marlanageisler1 — 2011-07-20 00:02:22Z

Hi, I am a 4 greats grandaughter of William Dortch and Susannah Anne Burton through their youngest son John Dortch Sr. and his first wife Susanna Stockham: their oldest son William Dortch and his wife Susan Abigail Reeves: their daughter Mary Etta "Pet" Dortch, Wife of William Thomas Peatling left Greenup County, and eventually settled in Oklahoma. I have been doing genealogy for many years and have a great deal of Dortch, Reeves, Stockham data that I am trying to gradually add to Ancestry. I am happy to share: am adding photos of John Dortch, Sr., and his son William to my ancestry files also. I have a great deal of documentation in my files.

Re: William DORTCH, Sr.

tbill247 — 2011-11-09 01:48:46Z

Hello- I am looking for more information on the children of David Dortch JR and Betsey Taylor. I have the will of Walter A. Dortch d. 1865 of Muscogee County, he and at least 2 of his sons lived here; David d 10/5/23 m. Emmie Mozelle Sharp, Andrew Asbury and Wesley and daughter Mary Dortch Fulghum also a Jack Dortch. I only have notes from Grandmother and Great Grandmother that Walter's father's name was David from Mecklinburg VA.

Sarah Dortch & John T.B. Dortch

brnhndy100 — 2011-10-31 10:03:18Z

I am in the same fix you are. The marriage of Sarah Dortch to William Ransome Barker seems to be well documented.I seem to be unable to find anymore about her. Through her line with Barker I have a John Turnbull Hogg.Perhaps coincidence w/T.B. initials. Like you I'm a long way from So.Carolina. Feel free to contact me.

Shirley Marie Dortch - Memphis to Youngstown, Ohio

Contribution — 2011-03-16 00:09:39Z

YOUNGSTOWN – Ms. Shirley Marie Dortch, 57, departed this life Saturday, March 12, 2011, at St. Elizabeth Health Center, Youngstown, Ohio.

Ms. Dortch was born Jan. 4, 1954, in Memphis, Tenn., a daughter of Charlie H. and Mosie Lee Humphrey Dortch.

She was a graduate of Fayette Ware High School in Somerville, Tenn. and attended Shelby State Community College.
She had been employed as a sales associate with A & V Hats, J. & D. Boutique, and a nurse’s assistant with Park Vista Retirement Community.
She was a member of the former Greater Mt. Zion Church of God In Christ, and served on its finance team and had presently been a member of the Fellowship Tabernacle Christian Center.

A loving homemaker, Shirley enjoyed reading, movies, shopping and being with family. Her pride and joy was her only son, Andre.

Shirley leaves to cherish her beloved memory, her devoted son, Andre Dortch of Columbus, Ohio; two sisters, Linda Cox of Youngstown and Dorothy (James) Tillman of Detroit; two brothers, Charlie Dortch Jr. of Oakland, Tenn. and Jimmie (Pamela) Dortch of Huntsville, Alabama; and a host of nieces, nephews, family and friends.

She was preceded in death by her parents and three sisters, Vera Clinkscale, Gladys Pigram and Jo Ann Dortch.

Friends may call Wednesday from noon to 6 p.m. at the L.E. Black, Phillips & Holden Funeral Home, Youngstown.

Interment will take place in Somerville, Tenn., where services will handled by the Mabone Funeral Home, 1435 Teague Store Road, Somerville, TN 38068.

Re: Robert Dortch

CreepyCemeteryDude — 2011-05-25 03:57:12Z

John Bethune Dortch is buried in Magnolia Cemetery in Mobile, AL with Mary Louise Pegues. He died in Mobile on March 28, 1934. Mary Louise Pegues died in Mobile on April 30, 1914. Others buried with them are Carrie Hunter Dortch (July 9, 1890 - November 14, 1959) and Mildred Bethune Dortch Harris (April 6, 1891 - December 4, 1922).

All are buried in Square 28, Lot 89.

Hope this helps.

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

tgreer53 — 2012-03-05 23:39:52Z

Yes, that's correct. My uncle Top's brother's name was Ted. I remember traveling from Detroit to Kankakee as a child.

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

tgreer53 — 2012-03-06 19:01:39Z

Well, we're related by marraige at least. :-) I spoke w/ a couple of my family members yesterday about this. I was surprised that you had responded so quickly. My name s Tim Greer. I'm 53 years-old and live in Detroit, MI. Though it's been years since I visited your town, I still remember my "Uncle Top". (His twin, "Uncle Ted," lived in Detroit until he passed several years ago.)

Actually, this correspondence between you and me came about because I was trying to get some information about some land my family has down in Vaughan (MS). My # is 313-384-8305. Take care.

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

tgreer53 — 2012-03-06 19:39:08Z

Oh. If you can, please e-mail me a copy of Uncle Top's obituary. Thanks.

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

tgreer53 — 2012-03-06 19:35:25Z

Sure. Give me a call when you can. My mother, who passed a few years ago, has a sister, my Aunt Murtrie, live in Cali. I have a slew of cousins there, too. Look forwward to hearing from you. Peace.

TG

Re: Fannie Josephine Dortch

daryldortch — 2011-09-11 04:53:02Z

hey im charlene dortch of benton harbor mi in i was trying to find out the history of the dortch in if you wanted to call me my number is 269-2521499 in im looking for relative from mississippi arkansa in anywhere down south

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

MiltyJonline — 2012-03-06 14:15:21Z

Hmmmm....I guess we're related at some level....or maybe not....Top was married to my father's sister....Hubert Euell's my father's name

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

MiltyJonline — 2012-03-06 19:15:20Z

Motown....I actually live right outside of Los Angeles in a small desert town named Palmdale. At one time I was trying to do my roots thing on my father's side and that's where my Aunt Dortch came in...I think I got a copy of Top's obit....I know very little about my father's side...been to Motown several X's to visit my wifes peeps...they're Parks...they lived on Muirland(spl chk)...I'll try to call you on the weekend...my#(310)497-9888....Be safe!

Re: DORTCH, WILLIE MAE - OUT OF KANKAKEE, IL

MiltyJonline — 2012-03-06 19:45:22Z

It's been awhile....meaning I'll have to look for it....will do when I get a chance!

send your email address to MLJeffer@LASD.Org

Re: Afro-American Dortch

JTSJT329 — 2011-01-28 02:23:30Z

Looking for the Dortch or Thomas family from Lumber City, Telfair County, Georgia. George Dortch aka George Thomas dob 1913 moved to Macon,Bibb Cty, GA on abt. 1937. He had two brothers: Rus and Ben Dortch also known as Rus and Ben Thomas. They also had a sister name Amy.

Re: Afro-American Dortch

JTSJT329 — 2011-01-25 21:24:51Z

Looking for info on Adam aka Ed (Amie or Annie) Dortch dob Mar 1865 n NC dob Jan 1928 in Telfair County, GA. They had several children: Annie, Ella Mae, Fannie, Charlie, Thomas, Josephine and Adam Jr. The family migrated to Telfair County, Georgia prior to 1880. Thanks n advance