I have had a this rather faded copy of my gggranddads John Doran's marriage cert to Catherine Carr - on it it states that his father is also John Doran and that his mother is Joan Doran m/s Quinn?!?!? but is it???? On his death certificate his mother's name is one Ellen Dorran, ms Lee and i have cross referenced these names a zillion times and have come to the conclusion that maybe I have misread the name on this marriage certificate - other people read Fran Muir, Joan Luiss, etc - could somebody have a look and see what they think - I know this maybe an odd thread but until I can locate this man's birth cert, which may or may not be in Ireland or England, then I can't go any further :(