Debbie, tried to send you an e mail but came back. I am Virginia, Uncle Elba's daughter. I lived in my father's house at Ansted in late 80's when Alice would come in for visits at her Ansted house. My son Joey was Alice's buddy when she was in down there. I know Joe and Patricia well, was at Joe's funeral and at Alice's wake and funeral. Before I was married, you would come with your parents to our house to visit. E mail me and we will get it together to meet again, and I have most anything you want to learn. We have cousins who have been working on this for over eight years and i have had privilege of connecting with them to exchange info. The Vanessa Dumrauf that answered your querey is one of them. I do remember you, red hair and cute as can be, and you came to see your grandmother in the late 80's at Ansted house, pregnant and wearing bib's. Please get in touch.