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Celaya/Zelaya

Maryhilda Daniel Neil (View posts)
Posted: 24 Mar 2001 8:46PM GMT
Looking for info on Celaya Family, originally spelled Zelaya. Jose Jesus Celaya, my grgrandfather born 1828, married Ma del Refugio Ortega on Dec 14, 1851 in Altar, they had 14 children. They also spend much time in California before returning to Sonora. The only info I have about his family is that his father was called "El Tata Chu" and his mother may have been named Rosario. Rosario and Ma del Refugio's mothers (Isidora Ortiz Parra) were first cousins, but I don't know how. Oral family tradition has it that El Tatu was from Spain and he arrived in Atil, Sonora as a young man early 1800's. You can e-mail me at LadyEliot@aol.com.

Jose Jesus Celaya

Marcella Celaya Robles de Kuamoo (View posts)
Posted: 12 Apr 2001 12:23PM GMT
Your Jose Jesus Celaya (b.1828 in Altar, Son, Mexico) could be the son of a realative
of mine: Crisanto Garcia Celaya (b.1810 in Altar, Son, Mexiso, d.ca 1880 inFlorence,
Arizona Territory. Crisanto was the brother
of Bebiano Celaya, my g-grandfather who migrated to Florence by 1870 U.S. Census records
& also died there.
Regards, Marcella

Crisanto Garcia Celaya

Posted: 12 Apr 2001 1:00PM GMT
Edited: 9 Jul 2001 2:35AM GMT
Crisanto's daughter Ana Maria Celaya (Noriega) was my great great grandmother on my mom's dad's side. She was married to Emilio Noriega I. Please tell me where I can get your book.

La Historia de la Familia Celaya de Florence, Arizona

Marcella Celaya Robles de Kuamoo (View posts)
Posted: 13 Apr 2001 7:28AM GMT
Hi Lupita:
The 1st Edition was very limited & was
gifted to my Alma Mater Arizona State University at Tempe, Arizona; Hayden Library; Archives & Manuscripts; Chicano Research Collection & is described in
ASU's Universal Catalog. The recently published updated 2nd Edition has just been published & is limited to Celaya-Beltran-Telles-Granillo family members.
I will be in touch & contact you about details via Email.
Best Regards, Marcella.

Celaya/Zelaya Family

Maryhilda Daniel Neil (View posts)
Posted: 13 Apr 2001 9:43PM GMT
Thanks for the info Marcella, but your Jose Jesus Celaya is not the one I'm looking for. Although he was born in 1828 in Altar. His parents were "El Tata Chu" name unknown and his mother was Maria de Jesus Parra. He married Maria del Refugio Ortega, whose parents were Gabino Ortega and Isidora Ortiz Parra. The two mothers were first cousins. My Jose Jesus had a brother who died young, killed by Indians, another brother called "El Divino" (name unknown) and a sister Rosario. That's all the info I have. Oral family tradition carried down is that "El Tata Chu" was from Spain and that the name was originally Zelaya, which would indicate that he was Basque. I figure he must have arrived in Sonora early 1800's or very late 1700's. Hopefully these names will help in identifying these very elusive Celayas. Thanks again. Mary Neil

Thanks!

Lupita (View posts)
Posted: 25 Apr 2001 11:41AM GMT
I will be looking forward to communicating with you via email.

Celayas of Arizona and Sonora

Antonio Adan Celaya (View posts)
Posted: 18 May 2001 8:08PM GMT
My paternal great-great-grandfather was Crisanto Celaya [brother of Bebiano according to the internet which never lies].. One of his sons was my great grandfather Antonio Amado Celaya. [Antonio Amado also ahd a son named Crisanto, whom I knew]. Antonio Amado lived in Florence as a child. His son Adan Miguel Celaya was my grandfather. His son, Antonio Adan Celaya is my father. Both my grandfather and father were born in Tempe, though both lived much of their youth in Tucson. I was born and raised in Tucson. There is certainly reason to beleive that by the 19th century the Celayas ahd lost any Basque identity and joined the mestizaje of Northern Mexico. It appears that the Celayas had long since intermarrried with Yaqui and Sephardic families. That is an interesting aspect of the family I would like to investigte. Please let me know how I can purchase the next edition of your book.
Antonio A. Celaya
Oakand, CA

Crisanto Bebiano Celaya families of Florence,Az

Marcella Celaya Robles (View posts)
Posted: 19 May 2001 10:24AM GMT
As I have previously stated, copies of my Celaya/Beltran/Telles/Granillo familyhistory book
are available only to familymembers (i.e., verifiable). Copies are
avvailable for public perusal in the ASU Hayden Library in Tempe, Arizona. As for the accuracy of the info, I have over 75 bibliographic references cited in almost 400 pages of text & pictures of my family, including trips to Basque Country Spain, Mexico &
of course sothern Arizona & Florence---where
I was born & raised. As for accuracy on info on the INTERNET, "Caveat Emptor" or let the buyer beware, & we're allover 21 & should know the difference between bogus phoney info & the "real thing."..my family info is the "real thing" from authentic genealogical sources & tookmany years to assimilate.
As for a profit motive---I've given away free copies of my 400 page familyhistory to people I'm convinced who are my Celaya/Beltran/Telles/Granillo kinsmen. I'm not convinced at this point that you are a kinsman of mine...Marcella.

I didn't intend to cause offense.

Antonio Celaya (View posts)
Posted: 19 May 2001 8:28PM GMT
I am sorry that I offended you. I don't know what I said that offended you, but it was unintentional. I certainly would never expect a free copy of your book. I would certainly be inteerested in seeing it, if it is ever for sale. As to the closeness of any consanguinity, it is probably not of an particular moment.
Antonio Celaya

Misunderstanding

Marcella Celaya Robles (View posts)
Posted: 20 May 2001 10:09AM GMT
Hello Antonio:
I was particularly disturbed by your statement to the effect that "...infomation found on the INTERNET never lies "...or is false...for I have found many Celaya & Robles family contacts via the INTERNET & found the stqtement
offensive. I do realize the evils of finding false info on the INTERNET, but "Caveat Emptor" or let the buyer beware. Therefore, no offense is taken with regard tothe authenticity of my work for the past several years in "La Historia de la Familia Celaya de Florence, Arizona &
"La Genealogia de la Familia Celaya de Florence, Arizona." Also, my additional concern with regard to my books (both of which have been updated with later editions being catalogued at the ASU Hayden Library in Tempe, Arizona; are available in the Chicano Research Collection to ensure that my future Celaya/Beltran/Telles/Granillo descendants or kinsmen witll have something to start with if they're interested in their past. I am not interested in making money on my books, & have given them away to verifiable family members on occasion...but very few...since it contains Celaya/Beltran/Telles/Granillo familyhistory info from the perspective of my late mother, Aurora Telles Celaya de Robles. With the info on your Celaya family links, I know that you are a distant kinsman of mine via Antonio Amado Celaya (b. 8-Aug-1866 in Altar District, Sonoroa, Mex; d. Nov 1933 in Tempe,Az) & Guadau; Guadalupe Medina, his wife (b.13-Mar-1874,d.1920 in Tempe,Arizona). They had 3 children which I know about: Crisanto Medina Ce
Celaya, Olivia Medina Celaya & Ophelia Medina Celaya...Antotonio Amado Celaya was the son of Crisanto Garcia Celaya (b. 1810 in Altar District, Son. Mx,d.afy 1880 in Florence,Az) & his wife, Francisca Carillo Romero de Celaya...All of the foregoing info is verifiable via Tempe Historical Museum in Tempe, Arizona & Mrs. Clara Urbano of Tempe, Arizona.
There is also a large park in Tempe, Az dedicated in honor of Antonio Amado Celaya...Regrds: Marcella.
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