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Were early Caquelin in Pennsylvania Brethren?

Were early Caquelin in Pennsylvania Brethren?

Posted: 2 Apr 2003 2:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Apr 2005 2:53PM GMT
Surnames: BRICKER
As I've posted before here, the Caquelin family from Alsace were
apparently Pietists immediately before and after they emigrated
to Lancaster County, PA in 1736. Further both Didier and his son
Jean Caquelin/John Cocklin separately affirmed rather than swore
that they had witnessed members of the Bricker family sign their
own last wills. According to Karen Border Flowe in her posting here
of June 2002, it was Jean and his uncle Jacques (Jacob) who moved
in 1772 to the Cumberland County with their families. This, I gather
was the Upper Cumberland Valley, where Monroe and Upper Allen
Townships meet.

Then, recalling I'd once read that the Brethren movement had Pietist
roots, I checked the RootsWeb's Brethren mailing list and found the
following:

"Elmer Q Gleim in his book "The Brethren of the Upper Cumberland
Valley" mentions early Dunker cemeteries of Mohler's and Cocklin's."

Just like the Mennonites, the Brethren do not swear oaths, but rather
affirm the truth.

I then discovered both that the Brethren movement first became strong
in Cocalico Township, Lancaster County, in the mid-1730s, which is when
the Caquelin family moved there, and also that the Mohler family, into
which a later generation of Cocklin descendents married, were Brethren.

I am awaiting information from the Cumberland County Historical Society
as to which faiths the Cocklin's Church cemetery served (Mennonite and/
or Brethren?). None of what I have found decisively determines that the
Caquelins/Cocklins were Brethren rather than Mennonite, but it seems
likelier. Fanny (given name, Veronica) Bricker, who was John Cocklin's
wife and was buried with him in Cocklin's Church cemetery, was raised
as a Mennonite, however.

Re: Were early Caquelin in Pennsylvania Brethren?

Dianne (View posts)
Posted: 17 Apr 2005 12:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Cocklin, Gleim
The Western Union Meetinghouse occupied the site at Cocklin's Burial Ground in Allen Twp. Built in 1835, the meetinghouse was destroyed when a tree fell on it's roof during a storm about 1935. It was never reconstructed. The site has been cleared of the original meetinghouse structure, and nothing remains.

It is my understanding that the church was shared by both Brethren and Lutheran Reformed of the area. Lutherans and Brethren differed in their views of child baptism. Brethren, being Anabaptists, did not baptize infants, but baptized mostly adults prior to, or just after marriage. It appears that couples often joined the church of the wife.

It is possible that the pulpit at the Western Union Meetinghouse was alternated between a Lutheran or Brethren speaker. I do not know if the same group met and heard alternating speakers, or if the church had separate meetings of the denominations.

My ancestor, Christian Gleim, was the son of Frederick and Elizabeth Keller Gleim, of the Ephrata area of Lancaster Co. Elizabeth Keller was the granddaughter of (Hans) Jacob Keller b. 1706, Switz- d.? ,buried Ephrata Cloister Cemetery.

Ephrata Cloister was formed when Conrad Beisel broke from the Brethren of Germantown, PA. He became a Brethren under the encouragement of Peter Becker of Germantown, but soon developed his own beliefs affected by others outside the denomination. The was a sad schism between Beisel and Alexander Mack Sr. So, you can see that the Brethren and Ephrata Cloister had close ties. Many from the Germantown Brethren Church defected to the Cloister.

Christian Gleim, b. 1810, married first Margaret Cocklin daughter of Jacob Cocklin. She died following childbirth of her first child, Leah.

Frederick Gleim, wife Elizabeth, and his son Christian Gleim, along with Margaret Cocklin Gleim are buried at Cocklin's.

Cocklin's Church Graveyard: GLEIM, Frederick d. 19 May 1850 aged 83-9-6 (b.1762)
Elizabeth b. 24 Oct 1773 d. 19 June 1855 wife of Frederick Gleim.
William b. 9 Oct 1832 d. 29 Mar 1835 Red Sand Stone <son of John, grandson of Frederick>
Margaret d. 3 Apr 1839 aged 28-11-25 wife of Christian Gleim and dau. of Jacob & Margaret Cocklin Red Sand Stone

We think that Frederick Gleim was most probably Brethren as his father's sister, Anna Maria Gleim, married Casper Fahnestock, son of Dietrich Fahnestock of the Cloister.

I do not know if the Cocklin's were Lutheran or Brethren, but I do think that Cocklin's Burying Ground was used by both denominations. Hence the confusion in determining the membership of the deceased.

Dianne

Re: Were early Caquelin in Pennsylvania Brethren?

Posted: 23 Jun 2009 2:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dianne,

I would like to contact you about the Gleim family. I am related to a Frederick Glime/Gleim born about 1802. Documentation I received about Jacob Glime's Will (Wayne County, Ohio) has his brother, Frederick Glime/Gleim as executor of his Will. In addition, there were letters by John Gleim, Charles Gleim, and Frederick Gleim with an address of Cumberland County, PA on each. After reading the letters, it appears that Frederick Gleim was Frederick's father. My Frederick is buried in Canaan, OH.

Re: Were early Caquelin in Pennsylvania Brethren?

Posted: 26 Jun 2009 2:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Roger, Why don't you post your email so that I may contact you?

Re: Were early Caquelin in Pennsylvania Brethren?

Posted: 29 Nov 2009 1:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,

Just got back from an extended trip outside the U.S. This was the original message that I posted in June:

Dianne,

I would like to contact you about the Gleim family. I am related to a Frederick Glime/Gleim born about 1802. Documentation I received about Jacob Glime's Will (Wayne County, Ohio) has his brother, Frederick Glime/Gleim as executor of his Will. In addition, there were letters by John Gleim, Charles Gleim, and Frederick Gleim with an address of Cumberland County, PA on each. After reading the letters, it appears that Frederick Gleim was Frederick's father. My Frederick is buried in Canaan, OH.

My email address is mpnroger@zoominternet.net.

Roger
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