to get carol you got to hit where her name comes in on the message's im going back to see what else i can find that may come in to some help with and for the bowen family lines. but i know that my family is one of the missing keys to the hole mistroy of the bowen's my g-grand dad john bowen hole name was:john baron bowen. and if you put the van & baron to geter you get: van baron . jenn