you posted a message in 2000 reference conrad kramer b aug 1854 in switzerland possibly leibstat. my great grandfather was born in leibstat. his name was matthias kramer. possibly an uncle to your conrad kramer. matthias came to america on the ship carnatic via lehavre france to new orleans. there were five other kramers listed as passengers. would like to hear from any kramer descendents who came to america on ship carnatic in 1854. signed-theresa kramer/shaffer