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Re: Dutch Family History Research

Mariannenl — 2013-05-24 20:28:15Z

It would be great if you could get the name of your great great grandad, the name of the father of Hendrik senior....

I did some searching on the name of Vlasman in Katwijk, and found a marriage of a Johannes Vlasman in 1919. I will pull the population registration tomorrow. It runs up to 1920, so maybe we get lucky and he had a son named Hendrik born in 1919 or 1920.

For now, good night and I will let you know tomorrow what I have found.
Marianne

Re: Dutch Family History Research

Vlasman — 2013-05-24 20:19:15Z

Yes, I'm currently trying to order it now.

Thanks

Re: Dutch Family History Research

Vlasman — 2013-05-24 20:17:52Z

Both my granddad's my great granddad and his son are both called Hendrick sometimes spelt Hendrik

Thanks

Re: Dutch Family History Research

rdpiet — 2013-05-24 20:09:03Z

Get the marriage record from the GRO in the UK...........That will give you the fathers name...
Once you have that the hunt would be easier...

My Great-Granddad Hendrik Vlasman married Maria Hughes (born in England) in Liverpool in 1943.

Re: Dutch Family History Research

Mariannenl — 2013-05-24 20:08:27Z

Hi dear Vlasman,

I am afraid we are dealing with dates that are on the edge of being not publicly available due to privacy legislation here in The Netherlands... Tomorrow I will see if I can find anything. Maybe there is a population registration available, but I fear the worst. Do you have any idea when your g grandfather was born? That might help in finding his family.

I am afraid though that if he is born after 1920 there is nothing to be found, unless you know the names of his parents (your g g grandparents that is).

Fingers crossed,
Marianne

Re: Dutch Family History Research

Vlasman — 2013-05-24 17:05:33Z

Hi Marianne,
My granddad is actually from Liverpool but it is his dad I am trying to research. All I know is that my granddad's family are from Katwijk 16km north of The Hague. All I know is what they did in England.
My Great-Granddad Hendrik Vlasman married Maria Hughes (born in England) in Liverpool in 1943. My Granddad's name is Hendrick Vlasman he has a brother called Victor Vlasman who still lives there but we have lost contact with him. My Granddad was born in 1944. My Great-Granddad and my Great-Grandmother Maria got divorced in Katwijk, Holland but I don't know what year. So she brought my Granddad back to England and Victor stayed with his dad. I know Victor has a child called Victor who married Bernadette in Holland and they have children. Henry (my grand-dad) married Eileen Dutton in England and had seven children in England. That is all the information I have I hope its useful.

Re: Dutch Family History Research

Mariannenl — 2013-05-24 03:50:21Z

Wiewaswie.nl has data on a lot of places but not on all.... Rotterdam and 's Gravenhage (The Hague) for example are not in there. they have different databases.

Do you know where exactly where your grandad came from?

I don't know wether you like to search for yourself, and you just like to be pointed to the right database, but his birth place is essential for any further search.

If you can give as many details as possible, we can try to get find him and point you to the right starting point.

Kind regards,
Marianne

Re: Dutch Family History Research

d_vanorsouw — 2013-05-23 23:31:04Z

www.wiewaswie.nl

(a joint wesbite run by national and regional archives in the Netherlands)

(the site is in Dutch but still usable)

Re: Dutch Family History Research

rdpiet — 2013-05-23 21:38:59Z

Oist sime names and dates and perhaps someone will be able to help you

Dutch Family History Research

Vlasman — 2013-05-23 20:52:49Z

Hello, I live in England so I've tried to research my family history. On my nans side I've traced back very far but on my granddads family I can't get anything for them because they are dutch. I was wondering if there is a site that will let me access dutch records. I don't wan't to travel for them so is there a website I can use?!

Thanks.

Re: ERKEL Dirk (richard ) Neeltje Mourik (Nellie)

janteam — 2013-05-06 19:11:33Z

No problem helping you.

I didn't do any research but keep in mind that Rotterdam was heavy bombed in the beginning of WW-2 so I don't know if the streets still exist or if so it is possible the housenumbers changed.

The addresses mentioned on the card are :Josephstraat 34 ,Binnenweg 95-6 ,Josephstraat 184 , Hartmanslaan 39-2 ,Gaffelstraat 54 ,Jan van Loonslaan 1 ,Schoutenstraat 126 and Oosteinde 6-b.

Bye , Jan

Re: ERKEL Dirk (richard ) Neeltje Mourik (Nellie)

driverangela1 — 2013-05-06 04:10:33Z

Hi jan
Sorry to write to you again but you sent me a site for the erkel family card on the back it had the address of were the family lived i was wondering if you could read any of the names as my brother and sister in law are doing a trip to Europe in 2 weeks and are going to do a visit to delfshaven Rotterdam and would like to see if they can get some photos of the family home the erkel family lived in.
We can not seem to work any of them out.

Re: Lieving Roetman & Janna van 't Sant

annsilver1990 — 2013-05-03 22:28:49Z

Willemina Roetman was my great grandmother :)

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-04-06 10:42:48Z

Hi Jan

That would be fantastic, I can't thank you enough.
I am amazed how generous you all have been in helping me with my search. I really do appreciate your time and sharing of knowledge.

kind regards
Lyn

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

janteam — 2013-04-04 22:16:14Z

Hello Lyn,

In case of your uncle's friends don't have the time to visit the Gemeente-archief Den Haag and if you aren't in a hurry I don't mind , if I have some spare time the next time I visit The Hague , to have a look around in the archive to see if I can find some more information.

I visit that town 2 or 3 times a year but at this moment I haven't planned my next visit yet.

Bye Jan

Re: Duindammen

jvdiest — 2013-04-03 14:25:21Z

Ik ben dus de tante van Evert Jan Duindam en dus de zus van zijn vader ik ben geboren op 13-4-1954 te Oegstgeest.
Hieronder heb ik gegevens mbt mijn ouders
Dirk Duindam, geb. 26-10-1917, overleden 21-7-1971
Elisabeth Zwaan, geb. 9-12-1921, overleden 11-4-1982
Zij zijn getrouwd op 11-1-1944.
Mijn oudste broer Dick is geboren op 2-11-1944
Mijn jongste broer Martin is geboren op 14-7-1951
Hieronder heb ik gegevens mbt mijn opa en oma Duindam.
Jacobus Duindam is geboren op 21-4-1892???
Martina van der Hoeven, is geboren op 18-12-1894

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-04-03 10:41:52Z

Hi Jan
Thank you for last message. Fencing is a sport.
John and Jacoba Jackson had 9 children, their names as follows: Johanna Maria, William Charles, Hildagonda, Dorothea Wilhelmina, Nora Laura Winnifred, Howard William, Grace Magdalena Elizabeth, Gwendoline Beatrice, Vera Kathleen.

The information regarding John living in Gouda is from family living in England who had been corresponding with my Uncle here in Australia. NOt sure how reliable the information was but we have so little to go on.

John gained employment with a respectable photography business in England known as Elliot & Fry. They photographed VIP, government ministers, sporting heroes, society people and even Charles Darwin.

My Uncle is going to contact friends in England who have a daughter living in The Hague, and see if she will go to the archives of The Hague & search the Bevolkingsregister for the record of Jacoba Sutmuller for us. This is our only source to research the register.

Thanks again
Lyn

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

janteam — 2013-04-03 09:44:54Z

G'day Lyn,

Of course it's possible to search the records of Utrecht but keep in mind that the province is also called Utrecht.

John could be Jan , Johannes and Jacob could be also Jacobus but even if we find a person with those names it doesn't prove it's your John Jacob.

This is the link : http://www.hetutrechtsarchief.nl/collectie/archiefbank/index...

Did they have more children and if so what are the names ?

There could be a lot of reasons why he changed his name :
Still married , wanted by the law, or simple a unpronounceable surname.

Allthough not all marriage-records of the Netherlands are online It looks like they didn't get married in the Netherlands.

Just curious but what does a master fencer do.
Is that a kind of black smith who makes fences ?

Where is your information coming from that he lived in Gouda ?

Not online but Jan Brul mentioned it already in his reply that besides the birth, marriage and death records ( burgelijke stand ) there is also at that time records ( bevolkingsregister )like the record I send you before of the family Sutmuller.

So in the archive of The Hague has to be searched in Bevolkingsregister for the record of Jacoba Sutmuller and hopefully there is some connection to be found to John Jacob
Jackson.

Bye Jan

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-03-26 05:20:47Z

Hi Janteam
All three links worked well. Thankyou for helping me with my research.
Yes I think you are correct, that this is a match for my Jacobina Theodora Sutmuller.

Thank you again for your help
Kind regards
Lyn
Australia

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-03-25 10:43:58Z

Hi Jan
I think you have a match with Jacoba Theodora Aleida Sutmuller, born 30-11-1862. Many thanks.
I tried to look up the family search website to see if I could source the same records but I was unsuccessful. So you have definitely been a great help with finding information.

My great grandfather was born in about 1858 in Utrecht (from his death certificate). His wife Jacoba was still alive at the time of his death and would have known his place of birth.
His name in England was John Jacob Jackson.
If he changed his name to sound more "English" could he have been known as Johann Jacob ???? in Holland. If you have any spare time would you be able to try a search if you think this information has any merit.
Kind regards
Lyn
Australia

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

janteam — 2013-03-25 10:04:37Z

G'day Lyn

Jan Brul stated in a earlier message that my link to the birth record of Johanna maria is invalid but it isn't.
When I click on it it works !

The link to the birth-record of Jacoba Theodora Aleida in Jan Brul's reply I gave already in my reply so I think he wanted to show you the birth-record of Catharina Theodora Jacoba but you stated earlier Jacoba Theodora was born around 1863

The link Jan Brul gave you of Regionaal archief Zutphen is not working so use my link of Regionaal archief Zutphen Click behind ,for example , Jacoba Theodora Aleida's name and then click on "inzien van de Akte " and then you will see the page 143 that Jan Brul is mentioning.

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

Jan_Brul — 2013-03-25 00:41:35Z

Taking a look at the Zutphen data shows me 2 possible daugthers, the 1 of 07-11-1859 named Catharina Theodora Jacoba, and also a Jacoba Theodora Aleida, born 30-11-1862 and registerd 2-12-1862, record # 389. See

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159365-367653-95?...

Their parents had at least 12 childern. 1 died in Zutphen and the rest of the family moved on 03-11-1872 to Stele in Pruissen (Germany), see

http://www.regionaalarchiefzutphen.nl/genealogie-bronnen/q/r...
page # 143.

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

janteam — 2013-03-24 22:07:17Z

In The Hague I found a Petrus Joseph Sutmuller who had a daughter Jacoba Theodora

http://denhaag.digitalestamboom.nl/(f1tzrd450vhloh550emcsg45...

He was born in Zutphen so I thought maybe he had a sister who came also to The Hague and , his mothers name is Maria Johanna .Although I'm not sure yet I think I found your Jacoba Theodora

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159365-367653-95?...

Also have a look at this site.

http://www.regionaalarchiefzutphen.nl/genealogie-zoeken/q/pe...

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-03-24 20:49:13Z

Hi Jan
I cannot thank you enough for your help. I am so thrilled to have this new information and getting closer to finding out what my dutch surname would have been, had my great grandfather not changed it when he moved to England.
I grew up with "Jackson" but I have always wondered what our real dutch family surname would have been.
My email address is lynt@exemail.com.au
Thankyou thankyou so much
Lyn

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

Jan_Brul — 2013-03-24 15:34:32Z

Lyn,

I made a translation of the birth record. Do you have an email address available where I can send it?
An attachment in text format is not allowed, so I made a jpg of it.
I also corrected my first message, the umlaut is on the second u.
A dutch person made indexes on the bridesnames in The Hague and she is not there in the period 1883-1892. See http://www.famvandevelde.nl/bronnen.html in dutch and english

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

Jan_Brul — 2013-03-24 15:12:26Z

The given url by janteam is invalid, it was only valid for him. Her surname is Sutmüller with a " on the second u.
I downloaded the record. See attachment.
You need a visitor to the city archive in The Hague. They have the bevolkingsregister, a census like register that is kept uptodate, with all the inhabitants. He might have lived on the same address.

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-03-24 05:51:21Z

Hi Jan
Thank you so much for your assistance,I was so excited to see the attachment and see familiar names.
I live in Australia so I will have to source a dutch translator to decipher the words for me.
I do not know any one in Holland, so it may have to be a
lifetime ambition to visit The Hague Archives. I might even have some distant relatives I haven't met.
Thank you so much for your help.
Kind regards
Lyn

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-03-24 05:42:46Z

No I do not know where Johanna was born, on her death cert (1970 England) it notes place of birth - Holland.
Kind regards
Lyn

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

janteam — 2013-03-23 10:25:29Z

Johanna Maria is born out of wedlock in the Hague

so her surname is Sutmuller

http://195.242.171.17/hga/virtuelestudiezaal/WebsitePubliek/...

Re: tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

Mariannenl — 2013-03-23 08:03:07Z

Do you know the place of birth of daughter Johanna Maria?

Kind regards,
Marianne

tracing SUTMULLER/ SUTMOLLER

lyn050 — 2013-03-23 04:21:18Z

I am trying to trace information on my great grandmother Jacobina Therodora Sutmuller b.abt 1863 Holland and my great grandfather.
Jacobina married a dutchman who changed his name to John Jacob Jackson (born abt 1858-9) when the family immigrated to England abt 1884-1886.
John lived in The Hague where he was a fencing master. He also lived in Gouda.We do not know his dutch name. On his UK death certificate it notes that he was born in Utrecht, Holland.
Jacobina and John had a child Johanna Maria born in Holland DOB 01.01.1884.
Would it be a possibility to trace a fencing master without a name, using John's age only and the fact that he lived in The Hague?
Are there any immigration records in Holland for that time period that are accessible online.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Lyn

FAMILYSEARCH Collections

luciemyers1 — 2013-03-04 15:48:04Z

Hi everyone:

New and updated collections for the Netherlands:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

Cordially,

Lucie

Bingley/Bingleij theatre owners/actors early1800's

lanarman — 2013-02-23 15:01:38Z

Searching for any information/family trees that contain histories of this well known family in Rotterdam and the Hague late 1700's early 1800's.
Ward Bingley, son Willem Albertus Bingley (1793-1845). Did they ever perform in London, England?

Re: "Het geslacht Bos uit Nieuwerkerk aan den IJssel"

r1chard_99 — 2013-02-18 20:50:21Z

Thank you. I shall look there. I just bought a copy of Het Stichts-Hollands geslacht Van den Bosch, prof.mr.M.Bos, from Veloren Uitgeverij, but didnt realise I can find the J Boersma book there too.

Richard B

Re: "Het geslacht Bos uit Nieuwerkerk aan den IJssel"

CeesJanvandenHoek — 2013-02-18 20:10:41Z

I have a copy

I did order this at:

www.verloren.nl

Cees Jan van den Hoek
www.vandenHoek.uwstamboomonline.nl

"Het geslacht Bos uit Nieuwerkerk aan den IJssel"

r1chard_99 — 2013-02-18 19:44:57Z

I am trying to find a copy of the following book about my family in Holland. Any ideas about how I can get a copy?
J. Boersma, Het geslacht Bos uit Nieuwerkerk aan den IJssel, 's-Gravenhage 1983

Many thanks

Richard B

charlemagne

annebesnack — 2013-02-04 19:28:40Z

Traced my relatives from north America to isle of Mann to Charlemagne can you give me any other updates. Would appreciate it anne

Re: Willem Ottensz b. ca 1440

1_maurice191 — 2013-02-01 23:25:33Z

Well actually i have done a lot of research on this person.

First we need a bit of history of the van Arkel family... The family was very wealthy and owned a massive amount of land in the midst of the netherlands and in france (Bar Pierrepont), also they were first in line to inherit the lands of van Cleef.. So Jan van arkel (Otto the bastard van arkel's dad) declared himself a lord... the lords of Holland and Gelre didn't like that and war broke out.. the rest of the story you can find here : http://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkelse_Oorlogen
At the end, the van Arkels lost and were stripped of most of their lands (holland an gelre divided it between themselves) and got stripped of their titles and apart from a daughter and a couple of bastard children the van Arkel line died out...

The reason people think (including me) that Willem Ottensz is the son of Otto the bastard van Arkel is because of a couple of points...
First of all this document which proves Otto had a son called Willem :
Een huis en hofstede (1645: met boomgaard) en 2½ morgen in het gerecht Deil, enerzijds: Floris van Beesd (1578: boven: erven Herbaren de Cock met Bakelbos), anderzijds: Gijsbert Pieck van Beesd (1578: de heren van het klooster Jerusalem te Culemborg).
29-12-1466: Otto de bastaard van Arkel met ledige hand, AGH., inv.nr. 151 fol. 74.
19-6-1476: Willem, zoon van Otto, bastaard van Arkel, bij dode van zijn vader, AGH., inv.nr. 718 c. Asperen fol. 11v

http://www.hogenda.nl/wp-content/plugins/hogenda-search/down...

Also, Willem Ottensz had siblings who were burgers of utrecht, we know Otto also lived atleast a part of his life there since he is buried there.

The 3rd point is that willem Ottensz (Ottensz means Otto's son, Ot is just a shorter version of Otto) owned a massive amount of land in the land of van Arkel that they were allowed to keep/rent and was very wealthy, he even was ordered to build a watchtower with 3 holes.

The 4th point was his son Claes Willem Ottensz' spouse... The van Afferden were of lower nobility at that time... her granddad was ambtman of rheden (the one who takes the counts place when he is not there) and his dad was ontvanger-generaal(the head of all the finances and taxes) of the county of Gelre, his dad again was mayor of the city of Gelre... We know she was a servant of the Ottensz family, but not the kind of peasant servant...
it was common at that time to send your daughter to work as a servant for some time to another noble family to teach them woman things and manners, like boys were sent to other nobles to have them educated and trained as a knight.
So the van Afferden were not exactly poor or low status, so they would have never let her marry just a simple commoner...

The 5th point is the act of inheritance of Claes Willems Ottensz...
I've never seen it for myself but it was very richly decorated and stately looking according to some sources...

And finally the 6th point is that Willems father is sometimes called Ot the miller... a miller was in that time(and long after) a synonim of bastard in dutch

Well still i don't know for certain, but everything points in the direction of Willem Ottensz being Otto the bastard's son... :)

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

kzymke — 2013-01-22 18:37:56Z

can you confirm the other post of Keturah's parents as Alfred and Harriet? feel free to email me direct :) Also, did you have middle names and dates of birth for Frank and Keturah? I have 1929 as when Keturah passed if you could confirm that as well..

Cheers

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

knuston24193 — 2013-01-22 17:16:31Z

Hi

have emailed direct so hope you get it O.K.

Janet

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

knuston24193 — 2013-01-22 15:56:01Z

Hi,

So what do you need to know ? In the 1911 census she is living with 'Albert' Castein but her Rossiter children are living in various places as servants or relatives.

I do have a copy of Frank and Ketura's marriage but I would assume that Ketura then married Castein in the Registry Office which are not online.

Frank Rossiter died 1905 and is buried Abney Park cemetery.

I'm afraid I don't like the Genes site and have always used Ancestry or Findmypast.

Janet

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

kzymke — 2013-01-22 15:02:22Z

Hi Janet, thanks for the details..(I ended up getting ripped off on the genes reunited site and have been inclined not to purchase anything on these sites again as usually it isnt what I was looking for)
any info I did find on Olive Frances never had parents listed on the document...I guess what I was looking for was details on the Castein marraiges to Rossiter's in subsequent generations and found it interesting that father and son might have found partners of the same family name from the same town but I couldnt find details...ie; parents of bride and groom, etc...

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

ancuseruk — 2013-01-22 11:11:25Z

Hi,
Keturah Rossiter was born Keturah Walker, as mentioned earlier in the thread. I think she was the daughter of Alfred Walker and Harriet Verney whose marriage is recorded in the MAR Qtr 1860 in Winslow Registration District, which is the same district where Keturah's birth is registered in the JUNE Qtr of 1862.Hope this helps.
Best wishes, ancuseruk

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

knuston24193 — 2013-01-22 10:19:20Z

Hi,

Well Keturah was NOT born a Rossiter she married a Rossiter. She was born Keturah Walker. There is no problem with the birth of Olive Frances - she was registered in Hackney 1902. Her parents were Frank and Keturah Rossiter. Surely if you purchased the marriage for Olive it would show her correct father and maybe other helpful details as well. Rossiter is not my direct line, but as I am helping a cousin I do have a lot of info on them. What else do you need to know.
Janet

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

kzymke — 2013-01-18 17:45:33Z

Thanks Jan, thanks for the reply...I have got a fair ways back on the Castein side now...as far as Sander Casteijn and Evertje Tap...looking for the connection of Sander Casteijn to possible relatives Karsteijn`s as it appears around the 1700`s there was alot of surname changes amongst various children..Thanks
The Rossiter connection is after the Smit/Castein divorce in Amsterdam. After his divorce in 1905 he and 2 of his children (Clasina Helena and Johannes Albertus)moved to London, England. I found a marraige record in 1910 for him and Keturah Rossiter in Wandsworth - still looking for birth and parents of Keturah
A record I already had for Johannes Albertus and Olive Frances Rossiter marraige in Wandworth 1928 - also no factual birth info or parents can be found for Olive FRances - I have an unofficial birthday of December 10th, 1901 London, England

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

Jan_Brul — 2013-01-18 09:30:45Z

Site https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ has 11 hits on Albertus Johannes Castein, 7 marriages, 3 birthes and 1 death in Holland. I do not see a Rossiter connection. I see in the yearindex 1901 for Amsterdam on family search the birth registration on 29 Oct of Castein, Johs Albertus, register 11, page 76. See the record on
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12699-114163-20... or look at the attachment.
His parents married 14 June 1882 in Arnhem and divorced on 23 May 1905 in Amsterdam, reg. 1, page 37. For the marriage see:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11678-165020-34... It shows that the groom is 27 years old and born in Nijmegen. His parents are Evert Castein and Everdina Christina Janssen. The bride is Hendrika Frederika Smit, 22 years and born in Arnhem, daughter of Frederik Willem Smit and Elisabeth Kuster

Jan in Amsterdam.

Re: John Albert Castein DOB--October 28, 1901----Mary Frances Rossiter, Marraige

kzymke — 2013-01-18 03:23:45Z

Hi, been a very long time since I popped in here..never got a notification..
anyhow, Janet, if your still willing to help out with some info on Olive Rossiter and John Castein that would be awesome...
Do you know anything about John's father (Albertus Johannes Castein) and Keturah Rossiter and if there is a connection there?

Re: Klaas Smit b.1897 Netherlands d.1943 Alaska

northwestpioneer — 2013-01-15 20:33:52Z

Thank you very much for your help. I would not have found the death record by myself.

Re: ERKEL Dirk (richard ) Neeltje Mourik (Nellie)

janteam — 2013-01-15 12:17:04Z

I'm glad I could help you

I used this site : http://rotterdam.digitalestamboom.nl/search.aspx

The familycard starts in Januari 1886.
They lived in Delfshaven but in 1886 it became part of Rotterdam.

Not all the children are mentioned. Daughter Trijntje born 30-Aug-1867 Rotterdam died 05-May-1875 Rotterdam

If you need help with some Dutch words just let me know.

Bye , Jan

Re: Klaas Smit b.1897 Netherlands d.1943 Alaska

Jan_Brul — 2013-01-15 10:42:28Z

According to the census like information on http://rotterdam.digitalestamboom.nl/scan.aspx?book=R&id... died his father on 12 October 1927 in Rotterdam. The index on the death record gives

Overledene Klaas Smit , leeftijd 51 jaar
Vader Johannes Smit
Moeder Anna Honig
Echtgenoo/te Elisabeth Tijssen
Plaats Rotterdam
Datum overlijden 12-10-1927
Opmerkingen akte nr. 4219
Geboorteplaats Beverwijk
Bron Rotterdam 1927 e014
The original death record is on https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-10795-52052-7?cc=... It shows that he is buried in grave # 2644. Graves in the Netherlands last usually for 10 years. So his grave is not available anymore.