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Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 19 Jan 2014 12:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bemelaar
Hello, I am looking for the gravesites for these folks. Jacobus was a train station master in the Utrecht area but did move to other towns. Jacobus died 1 December 1957. Francine his wife lived until at least after 1967. She died after a family visit to Canada. Their daughters Wilhelmina Alida Antoinette Bemelaar and Francien Bemelaar both married in the 1949's. These daughters have both passed away so I am having a time trying to find family information. Wilhelmina Bemelaar-Kelderman is my mother in law and died in Vancouver B.C.in 2010. Francien Adriana Velez Bemalaar -van Gucht died in Rotterdam in 1988. I am running into brick walls so if sks would help me or at least lead me into the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Pat Kelderman

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 25 Jan 2014 9:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Jan 2014 10:09AM GMT
Hello Pat,

There is a Familycard of Jacobus H Bemelaar , his wife and daughters on the website of archiv Rotterdam, that goes until 1939.
On the card it says that a "'Persoonskaart'' (personal card) was made of his wife and daughters,
normally that means that they died in Rotterdam (or elsewere in NL but that a card was also made in the living place at moment of death)
When Jacobus died in Utrecht it says that he and his wife were living in Utrecht then, so I don't understand exactly how there could be a Personal card of his wife in Rotterdam,
but I guess it's worth trying to ask the archiv Rotterdam if it's right that his wife died there,
normally on such a card the place and date of death is registered.

You can contact the archiv Rotterdam on their website, (also in English), then go to ''contact'' on the site rigth above and click on it, then you can put your question there in the field you see:
http://www.gemeentearchief.rotterdam.nl/en
or directly: http://www.gemeentearchief.rotterdam.nl/en/contact

By the way , on the family card is written that they came from Hellendoorn to Rotterdam in 1936.
But they lived elsewere temporarly ,because the News Paper of Nijmegen tells that the family removed to Rotterdam in 1944,

If F H M Schrijver died for sure in NL, there should be a Personal Card of her anyway ,
also if it was in another place then Rotterdam.
But I think it could be very well in Rotterdam, that she went living there with her daughter.

But you can tell the archiv of the Family Card on the site and that there stands a ''Persoonskaart '(Dutch) was made of the family , so if it's correct that she died there or if it's registered on the card .
regards, Jettie


Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 25 Jan 2014 9:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 25 Jan 2014 9:43PM GMT
Hello,

By the way, it's L.E van Gucht who dies in 1988 in Rotterdam, born in 1919,
according to the announcement in the paper of 8-09-1988 (deaths of 2 sept.)
Is L.A van Gucht the husband of that daughter?
http://kranten.delpher.nl/nl/view/index?query=bemelaar&c...)
(right under, ''Burgelijke stand''

or they should have died both in the same year
Jettie

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 26 Jan 2014 10:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Pat,

In the neuwspaper of Utrecht I found the death announcement of:
Geertruida F. A Bemelaar, age 76 yr., unmarried, in the Obrechtstraat (streetname) 30 bis
In the newspaper '' Utrechts Nieuwsblad of 27-12-1965

in case that rings a bell.
Jettie

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 3:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bemelaar/Kelderman
Thank you for the response.
I will email the Rotterdam archives. I am very interested in that Family card. How do I access the card.
Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar was train station master in Utrecht, Nijverdal and Nijmegen. There is a photo of him with the centennial committee of Nijverdal in 1936.
1943 Jacobus was train master in Nijverdal.
Jacobus Bemelaar died 1 December 1958 in Utrecht from my source at Genlias.NL
Not sure what year but Francina and her daughter Fransien would travel by train from Rotterdam to visit a family in Utrecht.
1961 a family they knew during the war came to stay with Francina Bemelaar (she was a widow) for 3 months in Utrecht.
Francina's eldest daughter Fransien married in 1950 to L.van Gucht in Rotterdam.
Their other daughter Wilhelmina married Jan Kelderman by proxy in 1949 and went to Indonesia. In 1958 the family of 2 children moved back to Holland but there was really nothing there and they immigrated to Vancouver,Canada
Thanks again for the great info. Pat

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 5:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bemelaar/ van Gucht
Yes, Fransien Adrianna Velez Bemelaar married Louis van Gucht in 1950 and they both died in the same year 1988 in Rotterdam. Their children still live in Rotterdam. I am in touch with them but it is hard getting any information. Frustrating.

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 5:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bemelaar
Hello again,
I think that Geertruida F.A. Bemelaar may be Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar's sister. I do see in Genlias that she has the same parents, Govert Bemelaar and Adrianna van Ee. I have been so focused on Jacobus but thanks for all your help. Pat

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 11:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello ,

I understand your fruatration, but what exactly are you looking for?
I understood that you search the death place/year of F.H. M Schrijver, but what more?
For her deathplace/date there must be a Persoonskaart (Dutch), as I told earlier, probably in Rotterdam.
You can contact the archiv Rotterdam about that ,see my earlier mail
If you have problems with that, I may know someone who visits the archiv regularly (have to aks if he still does). Only she must have died in Rotterdam then. But they should be able to look if her death was there.
From all persons who died in NL at least 2 years ago and after 1939, one can get a ''Persoonskaart'' (Personal Card) on which deathplace/date, marriage , parents, and children also mostly but on the card on the father .
You can order such a card by the CBG (www.cbg.nl ), with post I think, in NL you pay a few euro's for one card, for USA there will be more costs, but you can ask first how much that would be.
But for Rotterdam, there's a chance that I could get it for you with help of someone mentioned before if he still go's to the archiv. (Im not able to do that myself).

Jettie

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 11:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
It seems our mails crossed each other.
I suggest you mail Rotterdam first and then please let me know if they could help,
It depends on the archiv if they give you information for free (if it's f.e. just about one thing, f.e if you ask if it's right that she died in R'dam), when there a higher costs I could try for you to ask someone to go there (free)

The family card (till 1939) is online, I can send you it, or you can see it yourself, go to

http://rotterdam.digitalestamboom.nl/%28sq5v4d454g0wosmg5204...

the ''population register' and fill in the name,
maybe this direct link to the card works:
http://rotterdam.digitalestamboom.nl/detailx.aspx?p=24359211...=

click on ''view the scan'' and you see the forside of the card,
click next to the ''point'' you see above and you see the back of the card.
This is from the Population register, that goes till 1939/1940
After that in NL you have the ''Persoonskaart'' (Personal Card),
the kind of card I spoke about in order to find the death of F.H. M Schrijver.

Jettie

Re: Jacobus Hendricus Bemelaar and Francine Hendrika Marie Schriyver

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 4:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bemelaar
Thank you, I will write and ask if FHB died in Rotterdam and see if there is a cost.
I was able to look at the family card, both sides this time. I downloaded it just in case.
I will let you know when they reply. regards Pat
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