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Albronda to de Groot

Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 30 Oct 2010 11:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Albronda
I have found my husband's great grandfather's 1902 birth record on AlleGroningers (but not in Genlias). The record says his name is "Kunst Jan Albronda" and mother's name is "Cornelia Albronda". No father is listed.

I also know that mother and son came to the US in 1919 and their names were listed as Jan and Cornelia de Groot. She is listed as a widow.

I have no idea what happened between 1902 and 1919, or even where they lived. According to AlleGroningers and Genlias, she did not marry during this time. What online resources should I be searching in order to learn more? Thank you.

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 30 Oct 2010 11:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Collectively speaking........If the G gf was born with the mothers maiden name he was brn out of wedlock, Mother prbably married a degroot after son was brn and husband passed.

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I have found my husband's great grandfather's 1902 birth record on AlleGroningers (but not in Genlias). The record says his name is "Kunst Jan Albronda" and mother's name is "Cornelia Albronda". No father is listed.

I also know that mother and son came to the US in 1919 and their names were listed as Jan and Cornelia de Groot. She is listed as a widow.

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 4:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Do you have an approximate birth year for Cornelia Albronda?

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 4:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
The reason why I am asking is if it is around 1868 (I found a Cornelia deGroot, widowed born in 1868 with a son John born aprox 1903 in Holland, year of immigration 1920 in the 1930 US census)

This would almost certainly be the right Cornelia Albronda:

Source Civil register - Marriage
Archive location Groninger Archieven
General Municipality: Groningen
Type of record: Huwelijksakte
Record number: 66
Registration date: 25-04-1888
Groom Jan Willem Gerbers
Date of birth: 19-04-1864
Place of birth: Groningen
Bride Cornelia Albronda
Date of birth: 15-04-1868
Place of birth: Groningen
Father groom Geert Derks Gerbers
Mother groom Wilhelmina Sophia Wetzelaar
Father bride Wobbenius Albronda
Mother bride Cornelia Brink
Additional information occupation father groom: yeast salesman?; father bride: carpenter;
; they were divorced 16 Feb 1900 at Groningen





Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 4:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Cornelia must have been married in Holland because she was already widowed when she came over in 5 Dec 1919 (found the passenger list)

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 5:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
On the passenger list it shows her last permanent residence as Den Haag, I am not too familiar doing research in that city, I know they have their own databases (not genlias.nl)

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 9:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
Cornelia Albronda married on september 8, 1910 in Paris, France to Willem de Groot. On November 25, 1919 she divorced him. See http://denhaag.digitalestamboom.nl and search for her or her son and look at the bevolkingsregister. In 1903 she was also divorced. In genlias:
Source Civil register - Marriage
Archive location Groninger Archieven
General Municipality: Groningen
Type of record: Scheidingsakte
Record number: 292
Registration date: 28-06-1900
Groom Jan Willem Gerbers
Bride Cornelia Albronda
Additional information echtscheiding Groningen 16 02 1900; gehuwd te 25 04 1888
echtscheiding=divorce

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 3:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Wow! Thanks for finding this source. Is there a key to the column headings for this document (numbered 1-17)?

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 5:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
the key is under Kolommen under the scan but here it is translated:



1) Date of recording
2) Surname
3) first name
4) gender
5) relation to head of family (vrw = wife, z(n) = son, d = daughter)
6) Date of Birth
7) Place of Birth
8) Status (H = married, O = not married, W = Widow(er), S = divorced, T - divoced from table and bed
9) Date of change of status (marriage or divorce)
10) affiliation to a church ( note: geen means none)
11) occupation (note on the scan "hospital nurse" is crossed out
12) date of (start) of residence in ‘s-Gravenhage (The Hague)
13) previous residence
14) date of leaving ‘s-Gravenhage
15) place where the person is leaving to
16) date of death (without naming place = ‘s-Gravenhage)
17) nationality and misc notes.

Re: Albronda to de Groot

Posted: 31 Oct 2010 5:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Once that you have the scan in picture you see below it 3 buttons: 4 buttons:
Kolommen Columns
Afkortingen Abbreviations
Download Download
Einde End

Click on columns and you get a description in dutch.
A translation:
1. Date of registration in the Hague
2. Familyname
3. First names
4. Sex (m=male, v=female)
5. Relation to head of household (vrw=spouse, z(n)=son.
6. Date of birth (dd-mm-yy)
7. Birthplace
8. civil state (H=marriaged, O=unmarried, W=widow(er), S=divorced, T=semi divorced)
9. date of change in civil state.
10. Religion
11. Profession
12. Date of registration in The Hague
13. Previous address (place)
14. Date of departure
15. Place where the person went to.
16. Date of death
17. Nationality and Remarks
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