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Helmholdt genealogy

Re: Helmholdt genealogy

Posted: 2 Sep 2014 7:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Found the birthrecord for Adriana Stoutjesdijk: http://goo.gl/0D2J4n
The recordnumber is 34

Greetings, Rian

Re: Helmholdt genealogy

Posted: 2 Sep 2014 8:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Great find Rian!

I never thought to look there, since it says "births, marriages, deaths, marital announcements 1811 - 1812"
So I assumed it covered only the years 1811 and 1812.

Ah well, never assume anything :)

Kind regards,
Marianne

Re: Helmholdt genealogy

Posted: 2 Sep 2014 6:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Marianne,

There were to many records for such a small village in that time period :-)
And you're right, Cornelius is the son of Jacob Moermond and Maria Suzanna van Driel:

Soort akte: Geboorteakte
Aktedatum: 31-10-1845
Aktenummer : 33
Geboortedatum: 31-10-1845
Geboorteplaats: Noordgouwe
Kind: Kornelis Moermond
Geslacht: Mannelijk
Vader: Jacob Moermond
Moeder: Maria Suzanna van Driel
Gemeente: Noordgouwe
Toegangsnummer: 25 Burgerlijke Stand Zeeland (1796) 1811-1980
Inventarisnummer: NDG-G-1845
Vindplaats:Zeeuws Archief

Kind regards, Rian

Re: Helmholdt genealogy

Posted: 2 Sep 2014 9:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Sep 2014 9:31PM GMT
Hi Rian,

I know Jacob had a son Kornelis/Cornelius. I have Jacob and his family (2 wives and children) complete. Question is, is he the same Cornelius who had a son Jacob with a Hendrika de Waay.

Unfortunately, the available records of Cincinnati are not great (a fire in 1884 in the Hammilton County courthouse in which vital documents were destroyed), so it comes down to a lot of (educated) guess work.

I think he is, but I'm still working to find some evidence. There is no marriage to be found and no birth record of any Jacob Moermond, son of Cornelius (or variations on that).

I have a 1870 census where Cornelius is living with Marinus van Driel jr. (son of Marinus van Driel and Martina Faase) married to Cornelia de Waaij (daughter of Jan de Waaij and Johanna Jacoba Smits).

The first marriage of dad Jacob Moermond was to a sister of Marinus van Driel jr., Maria Susanna.

I have the death of a Henricka Moermond in Cicinnati on 1875-11-08, 27 years old.
Cornelia de Waaij had a sister Henderika, born 31 Aug 1848, so age wise she could be the wife of Cornelius.

Cornelius married in 1876 to Dora van den Berg, but according to the 1880 census he had 2 children prior to his marriage to Dora, Jacob (abt. 1872) and Jennie (abt. 1873), but no birth registrations to be found (so no name of the mother).

So you see, there is a lot going on between the families Moermond, van Driel and possibly de Waaij, but as far as a relationship between Cornelius and Henderika there is no proof whatsoever, only educated guesses.

Kind regards,
Marianne

Re: Helmholdt genealogy

Posted: 13 Sep 2014 10:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
I can't find anything on the US side to prove that Cornelius, son of Jacob Moermond and Maria Susanna van Driel, was married to Hendrika de Waaij.

As I mentioned before, there are only few vital records of Cincinnati before 1884.

However, there is the 1870 census where Cornelius is living with his step uncle Marinus van Driel (wife Cornelia de Waaij)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12401-36870-57?...

And Cornelia's sister Hendrika de Waaij (born Dreischor 31 Aug 1848) left for the US in 1870, as stated on the population registration 1860 - 1870 of Dreischor, province of Zeeland (The Netherlands).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-30812-12748-59...

And there is the death of a Henricka Moermond, Cincinnati 08 Nov 1875, aged 27
https://drc.libraries.uc.edu/bitstream/handle/2374.UC/610460...

So it all makes sense.....

However, I came upon the following site:
http://www.gase.nl/InternettreeUSA/b1144.htm#P48238
As far as I can tell, the dates and events mentioned here are correct and I could verify them, with again the exception of the vital records of Cincinnati / Hamilton County up to 1884.

Here Cornelius was first married to a Johanna van Driel, and Jacob and Jennie were their children.
But then you would think that this Johanna is related to Marinus van Driel, where Cornelius was living is 1870.

I could find no proof of any Johanna van Driel related to Marinus, cousin. niece, nothing.

I will contact the owner of this site, since he is Dutch. Maybe he can verify the dates of the Cincinnati vital records as well.

Kind regards,
Marianne




Re: Helmholdt genealogy

Posted: 4 Oct 2014 9:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
I got an answer from the owner of the site. He posted this info 15 years ago and could not verify that Johanna van Driel was the first wife of Cornelius. After giving him the details on Hendrika de Waaij (as I mentioned before) he was convinced that this was right.....

So, in all probability (95%) Cornelius Moermond, son of Jacob and Maria Susanna, was first married to Hendrika de Waaij.

Kind regards,
Marianne
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