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Darre m. Abadie, Bagnere de Bigorre

Darre m. Abadie, Bagnere de Bigorre

Posted: 27 Oct 2012 4:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Nov 2012 7:10PM GMT
Surnames: Darre, Abadie
I am looking for relations of my father Raymond Andre Darre, born Bagnere de Bigorre 2 Dec 1918 to Madeline Laure (Abadie) Darre and and Edouard Dominique Darre. My Grandfather, Edouard, was disinherited upon marrying someone outside of his class. I had hoped to find some of the Darre family and Abadie family to know more family history. I am also looking at retiring to Franch and would like to meet my father's family, as he never was allowed to meet his Father's family.
Can anyone help me? My Grandfather Edouard was with the French Government in Africa for many years, in what was the French congo. My grandmother whom we called Laure,did receive recognition by the French government after WWII, for being in Resistance. My father graduated from the Sorbonne and was in French Air Force and came to America to teach American pilots. My address is caneman@cox.net

Re: Darre and/or Abadie Families in France

Posted: 1 Nov 2012 11:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Nov 2012 11:09PM GMT
Hello,

I'm not sure if they're related but I've found 2 Abadie men who were deported to Germany during WWII. They were both from the departement of Hautes-Pyrénées (to which belong Bagnères-de-Bigorre) and one of them from Cieutat, which is very close to Bagnères: http://www.memorial-genweb.org/~memorial2/html/deportes/resu...
Still, Abadie is a common surname in this area (see births registered between 1891 and 1990: http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=a...) so maybe there is no connection.

The Hautes-Pyrénées vital records are not yet available on-line but do you know if your family was really from Bagnères or from another nearby town? What else do you know about your grandparents? Do you have any idea of their place/date of birth, marriage or death? It would help to track them back and eventually find their families as records are kept locally.

Regards,
Amandine

Re: Darre and/or Abadie Families in France

Posted: 1 Nov 2012 11:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: abadie and Darre
My father was born in Bagnères-de-Bigorre, but I do not know where in France his fathers family was from, nor his mothers family. I do believe she was from near Biarritz, but again, not sure. My father attended schools in Bagnères-de-Bigorre, and lived with his cousin Claire and her family. I believe she was of the Abadie side, but not sure. She was alive in 2000, but not sure if she still is. She lived in Espelette with her husband Roger Brevard,both were artists.

Re: Darre and/or Abadie Families in France

Posted: 2 Nov 2012 4:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Nov 2012 4:03PM GMT
Hello,

Claire & Roger BRAVARD apparently still live in Espelette. You'll find them in the French phone book: http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pagesblanches

I've also found mention of Edouard DARRÉ in several documents/books concerning the colonial administration. In particular in this one (http://webs.ono.com/juanfandos/adsprefs.htm) it is said he was the administrator of several regions of Africa and attached to his name are dates that are most likely his birth and death:
Édouard Darré (b 8 Jan 1887 - d 12 Jul 1960)
Unfortunately the most useful informations - the places - are not given so it's a dead-end for now.

However, your grandmother's family was easier to track! One of your second cousin has published her family tree (her email is at the bottom of the page): http://www.nathalie-constantin.com/CONSTANTIN/Mon_premier_do...

She's the daughter of Eliane Anne-Jeannine ABADIE who herself is the first cousin of your father and Claire BRAVARD (née ABADIE).

Your grandmother, Laurentine Madeleine ABADIE, was the daugther of Antoine ABADIE (1865-?) and Marie Jeanne BARON (1866-1954). She had 6 siblings, among them Lucien Marius (1896-1961), father of Claire, and Jean-Edmond, father of Eliane.

I don't know if you speak French but it seems Claire told Eliane very interesting bits of information about the Abadies family members: http://www.nathalie-constantin.com/CONSTANTIN/Mon_premier_do...
About Laurentine (Laure): « Raymond's mother, the "belle amongst the belles", brunette with big eyes, elegant, at 20 years old, working in hotels in Biarritz, she married Edouard DARRÉ a very distinguished man. He worked as Administrator of the Colonies, and was one of the founders of Côte d'Ivoire and Abidjan. Diplomatic receptions but also visits to the bush, she was the queen when she arrived somewhere. As they were away at the colonies, my (Claire's) parents partly raised Raymond in Baïgorry. »

These data are not well formatted however so there are some incorrect characters and dates are often missing years. Still we learn there that Laurentine died in 1966 in the 10th arrondissement of Paris, and was born about 1900 (July 22, ?) in Pouzac, which is the little town just above Bagnères-de-Bigorre and the ancestral place of her family.

Your cousin also put her data on geneanet so you can also browse it there, though with the same problems: http://gw3.geneanet.org/nathconstantin2?lang=en&pz=audre...

Lucien Marius received the Legion of Honor decoration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Honour) for his actions during WWII (he was part of the Resistance, physically and financially, lead a prison revolt when arrested by Gestapo and liberated prisonners, etc.). His file is available on line: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/leonore_fr?ACTION=...

Now to get further, you'll need to request a copy of Laurentine full birth certificate (copie intégrale de l'acte de naissance) from Pouzac town hall. On it will be indicated the place & date of her marriage, which in turn will give you her husband's exact date & place of birth, as well as his parents names. It's possible she married in Pouzac, so you should also ask them in your letter to check if they have this marriage about 1920 in their registers.

- A model letter: http://genealogy.about.com/library/blfrenchletter.htm
- How to request French certificates: http://genealogy.about.com/cs/france/ht/french_records.htm
- To buy French stamps on-line (to pay for photocopies): https://www.montimbrenligne.laposte.fr/Accueil/Index

Pouzac town hall address:

Mairie de Pouzac
1 rue de la Mairie
65200 POUZAC
France

You can also request a copy of her death certificate in Paris directly on-line: https://teleservices.paris.fr/etatcivil//jsp/site/RunStandal...

There, I hope you'll find this useful and let me know if you need more help.

Regards,
Amandine

Re: Darre and/or Abadie Families in France

Posted: 3 Nov 2012 12:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Abadie and DARRÉ families
I cannot thank you enough! I will try to contact Claire and Roger and all the others. My French is limited, unfortunately. I used to be able to communicate fairly when I traveled to France a lot, but that in the past.

Thank you again. If I can ever assist you please do not hesitate to ask.
Claire Andrée (DARRÉ) Neumann

Re: Darre and/or Abadie Families in France

Posted: 3 Nov 2012 1:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Claire,
You're welcome and I'm glad I could be of help. I'm sure that with a little pratice, your French will come back to you! You can write to Nathalie in English too anyway, she indicated on her geneanet contact page that she speaks it. Or you can check your French with any on-line translator, like http://translate.google.fr/#fr|en| . Unfortunately it doesn't work for phone calls, but maybe someday? ;)

Have a nice weekend.
Amandine

Re: Darre m. Abadie, Bagnere de Bigorre

Posted: 26 Apr 2014 6:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,

Did you ever trace your relatives in France?
Until 2013 I owned a house in Bagneres de Bigorre for 11 years.
There are quite a few Darre families locally but the person you probably need to contact is a farmer called Andre Darre who lives about 3 miles from Bagneres in a tiny village called Cieutat. I know him and his wife and two sons quite well because they have done landscaping work for me. I would think that he is about 65 years old and almost certainly either your uncle or a very close relative. There are also many Abadie families locally. Hope this is helpful. You can email me at dick (at) rgnetworks.co.uk

Regards

Dick Crane
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