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Re: Casavant dit Ladebauche

tfzett — 2013-05-13 15:04:23Z

I am looking for a connection to a Charles Ladabouche B. 1834, married to a Harriette Maye. there son weas John Edaward Ladabouche B. 18 Mar 1857 in Canada came to VT age age 1, he was married to a Sarah Fredette B. 1856 in NY. The family seemed to be at or near the Proctor area.

Re: french occupation

JanMcfarlane24 — 2013-04-27 21:38:49Z

Thank you so much for this. It's so interesting. Claude Brunette was a Maitre d'ecole in St Nom la Breteche from 1762-1767 then the Maitre de Pension in Bailly near Versailles till around 1789 when he becomes Grand Messager de L'universite de Paris. I think a Maitre de Pension is a headmaster of a boarding school ??

Re: french occupation

jerhamon — 2013-04-27 07:15:29Z

Your ancestor is on page 27.
His diocese is the Waradin in Germany. Now being part of Romania (*)
Maybe for his occupation (maître en art), he was required to go in this area?

(*) After much research, I came to the conclusion that Waradin is the current city of Oradea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradea

Re: french occupation

jerhamon — 2013-04-27 06:21:34Z

They are messengers between students (living in the provinces or abroad) and their masters at the university.
This is not really a job, but a function

Interesting link:
(page 73)
http://books.google.fr/books?id=A7Q8AAAAYAAJ&hl=fr&p...

Bijoutiers in Paris area

JanMcfarlane24 — 2013-04-25 23:03:10Z

Hi, Four of my ancestors , Simon Antoine, Claude Louis, Jacques joseph and Thomas Antoine Brunette ,all brothers, were bijoutier in the paris area from around 1780s onwards. I am wondering if there is anywhere I could look for information on them?
Simon moved to London UK around 1803 but I don't know about the others. Any help gratefully received.
Thanks
Jan

Paris death

JanMcfarlane24 — 2013-04-25 22:59:19Z

I am looking for the death of my ancestor Claude Brunette after 1793 around the Paris or Versailles area. Is anyone able to help please?
Thanks
Jan

french occupation

JanMcfarlane24 — 2013-04-25 22:56:52Z

My ancestor Claude Brunette was ' grand messager de l'universite de Paris' around 1790 and I am wondering what exactly that was? I'd be most grateful for any help.
Thanks
Jan

Re: Searching for Joseph Le Duc in Versailles

PETERALEDUC — 2013-04-18 15:42:45Z

Many thanks Jan,
I did find these and found a few entries that could be relevant although no exat matches. Think I need to ask one of my French speaking friends to help me interpret the archives.
Thanks again.
Peter

Re: Searching for Joseph Le Duc in Versailles

JanMcfarlane24 — 2013-04-15 21:53:15Z

HI Search http://archives.yvelines.fr
you'll find parish registers for this area and some census. It's all in french so you need sharp eyes to read them but the baptisms etc give good info.

Re: Henrion Family in Paris c.1880's

tinad609 — 2013-04-13 18:43:10Z

I am William Henrions great granddaughter!! Would love to chat!! Please email me at tinad609@gmail.com.

Re: Henrion Family in Paris c.1880's

tinad609 — 2013-04-13 18:36:45Z

I most definitely think we have a family connection. My great grandfather was William Adam Henrion and his wife was Catherine Newton Northway!! atleast thats the info i have!! Please email me at tinad609@gmail.com

Re: Henrion Family in Paris c.1880's

Miralogos — 2013-04-13 07:55:22Z

Tina, it would be helpful if you could supply at least a time period and places. You posted beneath my entry which specifies Paris in the 1880's. Did you mean that? Your names sound American.

Re: Henrion Family in Paris c.1880's

tinad609 — 2013-04-13 02:48:38Z

Hi My name is Tina Henrion and have been trying to find info on my family tree but I cant find anything past My Great Great Grandparents and was wondering if anyone knew. What I know is my Grandfather was William Ross Henrion and his Father was William Adam Henrion married to Ivy Lakin (my Great Grandmother) and William Adam's father was Edward Henrion and he was married to Catherine Northway. That is about as far as I get, Does this go in line with anyone elses family tree? If so could you send me an email please at tinad609@gmail.com. Thank you

Re: Henrion Family in Paris c.1880's

tinad609 — 2013-04-13 02:48:18Z

Jean Baptiste Thomas Vanoni and Rosa Jenny Piat family

kmorelli20 — 2013-03-31 18:26:20Z

Looking for information on the descendants of Jean (formerly Giovanni Battista Tomaso of Aurigeno, Switzerland) and Rosa who married at Saint Ambroise, Paris on September 19th, 1857, and had at least two children, Henri (b 23 Jan 1860) who married Juanita Lacoude and Josephine Marie Louise (b 10 Jan 1862) who married Jean Francois Alfred Sarda in Paris, 12 Apr 1886. If you know more of this family, I'd love to hear from you. kmorelli@sonic.net

Re: Forrest Shufflebarger in Le Havre, France

marvinsbarger — 2013-03-30 05:37:24Z

He was probably still there in one of the USA services, after the WWII.

Searching for Joseph Le Duc in Versailles

PETERALEDUC — 2013-03-26 21:10:40Z

Hello,
I am searching for information on Joseph Pacifique Le Duc. The UK Census of 1851 says that he was born in Versailles in about 1806.

Can anyone suggest where, or how I may search any French records to try and trace him.
Many thanks
Peter Le Duc

Frances Hypolite Bonnell

litehouse8 — 2013-03-25 00:22:05Z

When emigrated to US, Year of Marriage to Mary.

Re: Allan Updegraff

Askeladen — 2013-03-09 03:47:58Z

Brian,
Was his brother's name Larry. Lewis mentions a Larry Updegraff in the dairies as well. I'll try to attach an older picture of Allan on a dust jacket of a book. Could you share his brother's obit. I also have a French friend checking through the French Google.

Dave

Re: Allan Updegraff

Askeladen — 2013-03-09 00:49:58Z

I'm doing some Updegraff research in regards with his friendship with Sinclair Lewis. The two were big literary men on campus at Yale and there are many great stories about the two together. I'm also looking for his bio and a younger picture of him. Here is a picture I found today. I may also try the Yale Libraries again.

Dave Simpkins
dave@mntrails.com

Re: Help with address in 12th arrondissement

XLaura — 2013-02-18 01:16:13Z

Oh Amandine, thank you very much! I was able to find exactly what I needed!

Yay!
Laura

Re: Help with address in 12th arrondissement

ama2fr — 2013-02-17 13:39:30Z

Hello Laura,
The full name is 'Passage Tocanier'. The way was open in 1854 and became a real street named 'Rue Claude-Tillier' in 1892 in tribute of said writer: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_Claude-Tillier

Good day!
Amandine

Help with address in 12th arrondissement

XLaura — 2013-02-17 07:07:30Z

Hello ~ I am looking for the address of my great-great-grandfather. His Paris marriage bann (1881) is attached, and I cannot for the life of me find the street on a map. It looks to me like it says Pas. Cocanier 8. I have tried this, plus every other letter of the alphabet with "..ocanier" with no luck.

I am hoping someone familiar with the streets of this area of Paris can help me. Please see the attached record.

Thank you,
Laura

re. auxenfans family

patlangford1 — 2013-02-12 16:07:31Z

I am looking for any descendants of james leonard auxenfans born in Marylebone london in 1854. His parents were Eliza Hinton and Bernard Auxenfans.I know he moved to Paris around 1856 with his uncle Marie Jules and aunt Clara Buckley.Any information would be gratefuly received.

Marcel LECOULTRE, Cachan

mcbax — 2013-02-12 04:47:41Z

Bonjour,

can someone here find the Date of Death for the illustrator and painter Pierre Nicolas Marcel LECOULTRE, b. June 25, 1867, in Paris. He lived at 1 rue de la Liberté in (Arcueil-)Cachan, and was buried at div I, Cimetière de Cachan. Any other info that is not on le-coultre.org, etc., is also most appreciated.

Merci bien,

Mike

Re: seine et marne

ama2fr — 2013-02-02 19:05:38Z

Hi Pat,

Do you really mean 1995 and not 1895? If so, you won't find it there because of privacy laws. Only more than 100 years old records are put on-line in France. You can however ask for a complete copy of any recent death certificate to the town hall of where it happened. She will be recorded under her maiden name but her husband's name (if she married of course) will be indicated in the certificate. What is the town name?

Explanations on how to access Seine-et-Marne archives: http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=...

Regards,
Amandine

seine et marne

patlangford1 — 2013-02-02 16:10:58Z

Hi, can anyone give me a clue as to how to use the 'Seine et marne online archives'. I am trying to find my ancestor'Celine Florence Auxenfans' who died there in 1995. I don't know if she was married or not.
Any help would be appreciated.
Pat.

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ama2fr — 2013-01-31 00:58:27Z

You're welcome! ;)

The article about Pierre-Joseph CÉLORON DE BLAINVILLE is because I think it was him who commanded the company to which Edme VERVET dit SAINT-AMOUR belonged. His family has a long tradition of military career but he is the most likely candidate so perhaps you could study him and find more about Edme and his unit's military history.

I've been looking for more information concerning the old pilgrimages and learned a lot about this fascinating tradition. I'm quite sure many of my ancestors also went to Our Lady (= Notre-Dame) of Liesse at one point or another as most lived nearby and its reputation was well established. I had never heard of it before so I'm quite glad our paths crossed and this research gave me the opportunity to discover this! Many thanks to you! :P

In particular, I've found an excellent file about this very subject ('Paths of Faith') in this magazine from last year: http://www.rfgenealogie.com/la-boutique/outils/nos-ancetres-...

There is too much information to put here but they explain for example that pilgrimages were so popular and so many people were travelling on the roads that it finally caused many disturbances. In the end, the King decided that people had to ask the authorization from Church before going in pilgrimage and carry certificates with them to prove they were not beggars or marauders pretending to be pilgrims... For security, people also went in groups or at least with friends or family so travelling with your wife and children was not so rare. I suppose it depended how long you had to walkl and how wealthy one was because it could means weeks or months on the road!

I translated for you the parts relating to Notre-Dame de Liesse:

Nos Ancêtres, Vie et Métiers - No.58 - November-December 2012
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p.53
« In the first half of the 17th century, the cities affected by the plague come in long processions to implore the help of Notre-Dame de Liesse, near Laon. The influence of this important center of sacredness is extended: the pilgrims cover more than six hundred kilometers to get there from distant regions like the Nivernais or Poitou. The fame of the sanctuary is national, even if it drains mainly faithful from the Paris Basin. At the end of the 17th century, the Jesuit priest Laurent Bouchet, who has a cure in the Paris region, described this sanctuary as "renowned throughout France because of miracles and there are now frequent pilgrimages from all sides of the kingdom. " In the 17th century, 195 miracles are listed in Liesse. The treasure of the sanctuary includes many gold cords with a bullet or a splinter miraculously out of the injured body. It also includes ex-voto, symbolic refunds for a granted benefit, eg "silver legs" offered by former paralytic who received healing, or "silver children" given by those who obtained the birth of an heir. The miraculously cured ones are mostly adult men. The nobles cured through the intercession of Our Lady represent 8.6% of miracles, while they make up at this time between 1% and 1.5% of the population. Their proportion is important in relation to what they represent quantitatively in French society of the Old Regime (= before 1789). The people of the Robe (judges, lawyers ...), pensioners and traders form the largest fraction of miracles, with 63%. On the contrary, popular classes, including shopkeepers and artisans, only 29%. Among the miracles are also a few dozen soldiers and sailors. Farmers (~75% of population) are almost entirely absent. The clergy is represented only up to 7.6%, with a majority of members of the regular clergy. It has 67 city dwellers, many of whom are domiciled in Paris. Because of its central position, its political role, its relative proximity to the sanctuary, Paris receives quickly announces of new miracles: the flow of information itself contributes to supply the influx of pilgrims. »

p.57
« Why going on pilgrimage?
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Many reasons motivate them to take the route of a pilgrimage: devotion, thanks for a favor deemed of divine origin, birth... The examination of police records relating to pilgrims arrested accurately reflect circumstances in which were pronounced the vows of pilgrimage. For example, in April 1769 is questioned in a prison in Périgueux a laundress named Marianne Leblanc, a native of the canton of Fribourg in Switzerland. She made the pilgrimage to Galicia with her husband, François Jérémie Desroland, wig maker, she said, "to fulfill a vow they had made for having escaped the danger of drowning at sea." Indeed, during a trip to America, "they had the misfortune to suffer a blow that made them to shipwreck [...] and were among those who had the good fortune to escape on the coast of Normandy." Nicolas Hasse, from Luxembourg, former soldier aged 73, was arrested while begging by the constabulary of Touraine in August 1781. He assures them that "he just made a trip to Rome and Santiago (de Compostela), because being caught at sea, he fled and made a vow." During the summer of 1789, Louis Jourclin, bailiff of the lordship of the Marquis de Clervaux, from Châteauneuf, a suburb of Chatellerault, went to Mont-Saint-Michel, "which he vowed to go there eight or nine years ago, for a disease. "
Kings lead by example. Notre-Dame de Chartres repeatedly receives the visit of King Henry III of France and Queen Louise de Lorraine. In April 1583, for example, in the hope of getting a son, they go on foot and dressed as humble pilgrims from Paris to Chartres, then to Notre-Dame de Cléry before returning to the capital. The following year, the King leaves Chartres accompanied by Capuchin religious, Minims and fifty princes and lords, dressed as pilgrims. All go on foot, preceded by a heavy cross that each carry in turn. After the birth of the future King Louis XIII, Queen Marie de Medici went twice to Notre-Dame de Liesse, in 1602 and 1603. However, after the journey of Louis XIV at the Sainte-Baume in 1660, royal pilgrimages ritual changes.
Gilles Caillotin, born in Reims in the family of a baize making master, qualified in his passport as "beggar" fulfilled, in addition to his journey to Rome in 1724, eight pilgrimages between 1712 and 1736, in particular to Notre-Dame de Liesse and Alise-Sainte-Reine. He expresses in these terms his insatiable desire for traveling around: "The plight of the poor pilgrim I was, filled with an itch to always see something new and devout [...] just as I was arrived I already thought of my departure, it always seemed to me I was unduly delayed, because of two causes, the first missing all my comforts and the second that I would have needed a companion in line with my designs and on whose fidelity I might have been able to count. " »

p.64-65
« Pilgrimage, in the eyes of the Church, should provide an opportunity to repent "by enduring patiently the work and discomforts of the road." Most pilgrims go on foot, according to the saying: "It is by walking that one becomes a pilgrim"... (...)
Some pilgrims combine several means of transport. For example, the Breton priest Pierre Barizy de Kerscomer, who goes to Rome with a companion, arrives at his destination on May 4, 1686
having left Noyal Pontivy on March 7. He spent most of the journey on feet, meaning three hundred and six miles, but also twenty-one leagues on horseback, sixteen on donkey back and one on mule back, fifteen in a cart and eleven on water. The coach, more comfortable, is preferably used by the nobles, such as those who come during the 17th century to Notre-Dame de Liesse, in the north of Laon. Kings Louis XIII (d.1643) and Louis XIV (d.1715) each visit five times this sanctuary, between 1610 and 1637 for the first, and in 1652 and 1680 respectively for the second. In the Paris Basin, pilgrims can use at this period the "water coaches", capable of transporting cheaply about fifty people.

"The material conditions of the pilgrimage"
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Divisions exist between pilgrims when it comes to accommodation.
At Notre-Dame de Liesse, Archbishop of Reims Charles of Lorraine (d.1574) bought already in 1547 the land of Marchais in order to build a "beautiful building" worthy of princes coming on pilgrimage. But the majority of pilgrims spend most of their nights on straw of sheepfolds and stables, or in hospitals and hospices. Their stories compare the quality of welcomes and lodges. The hardest part is the refusal of hospitality. As he says, it is reluctantly that a wealthy family of the Mâcon vineyards hosted Gille Caillotin who, in 1724, walk from Reims towards Rome. By dint of insistence, he finally got to spend the night at the table, sandwiched between two oxen. »

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I've also found a video with a report on this church so you can see what it looks like nowadays (to compare with this picture of the 1780's: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77412102): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gjiCyzCkPE

The comment is in French of course but I could translate if you're interested. The rood screen inside, which is showed at the beginning, was already there when your ancestors went, it was build in 1616. The Black Virgin Mary statue is not the original however as it was burned during the Revolution (1789). The jewelled crown was replaced in 1857 but the statue was vandalized once more in 1948 and Mary and Jesus crowns disappeared again. Pilgrims from the whole world still come here nowadays.

Finally I don't know if they're related to yours but I've found some VERVETs from Auzelles here:
- http://doume.bois.free.fr/Genealogie/fic480.html#57795
- http://doume.bois.free.fr/Genealogie/kstekst.htm

I'll be pleased to keep in touch and let me know if you make progress or need further help. My email: ama2fr (at) gmail.com

Best regards,
Amandine

Re: August Fayet

dieudahday — 2013-01-14 17:30:07Z

Hi Kathy!

It would be great to share information on the Fayett family! I went to the cemetery where August is buried many years ago. It kind of made me sad. In his will, he left money for the upkeep of his grave. I am sure this money ran out LONG ago but the grave was broken and the grass within the immediate grave area was overgrown and you couldn't even see the headstones that were ground level. Winter might be a better time to go as it might not be quite as overgrown and you are less likely to see a snake. I would like to make it back to the cemetery one day but it probably won't be anytime soon.

I would love to be able to trace August and Mary's lineage back further but that may be very difficult since there was a fire in 1871 that destroyed most records. I haven't completely given up though as I believe they tried to rebuild the records after the fire. In addition, there may be a record of August and/or Mary's baptism at whatever church their parents attended at the time.

You can e-mail me at kdsoccer43@aol.com

Re: August Fayet

kathybessiere — 2013-01-12 19:36:59Z

Hi- I am also researching the Fayet line from france. August and Mary were in my line. I know that they came to Birmingham, AL and are buried in Pratt City Alabama. I would be happy to share any information that I have. I plan to visit their graves soon and will post pictures.

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ehenvie — 2013-01-11 03:52:40Z

Just wanted to say thank you again for your help!

I figured everything out and it's a lot of information.

I have been looking through the records one by one and haven't found any other kids yet but i have lots to go.

I did notice that Nick Guy's signature is everywhere..

Thanks again!

Here is my email ehenvie@yahoo.com

I'd love to keep in touch. I never asked but what area do you live in?

:) Talk to you soon!

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ehenvie — 2013-01-05 07:28:19Z

-> About Pierre-Joseph CÉLORON DE BLAINVILLE : http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=1289...

Was this just a random article about the area or did you happen to see something in there? I didn't recognize any names.

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ehenvie — 2013-01-05 06:50:11Z

I could hug you write now! That is awesome.

The st. Amour family.. for whatever reason all tend to be ahh standoffish. They kind of seperate and go along their ways. My grandfather was 1 of 9 i think. I started to do this line because I am trying to find his siblings and contact family.

My great grandfather Joseph Anselme started an electrician company. St. Amour electrique(not sure on spelling at the moment)

He lived to be a 100!!!!!! my mom says there are suppose to be records of that and some other things he did regarding electricity around Montreal.

I find it really odd that there aren't any picture of my grandma or grandpa when they were kids of thier parents. There are tons around the time they got married though.

It's like they had this HUGE family and no one talked to eachother. I am still trying to find name of my grandpa's siblings. lol.

I am the only one that is interested in this.
Though St. Amour I was told came in Canada.. not in France.
My ggfather dropped Vervais and stuck with St.amour only after a while. He was the last one with Vervais. My grandpa didn't have it. As far as I know. I don't have his birth certificate. On the tomb it's spelled vervais.

I was shocked when I was reading what the author wrote. I can't believe out of all the families he chose mine. It's pretty neat. Walking all that way pregnant?? esh. I wonder if there were any more kids?? hmm.

Edme was born 1721. So he was def born before. I believe I got his date from Census or other records through Canada.

The link you provided isn't working. I will try to find it though you've done so much for me!

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ama2fr — 2013-01-05 00:25:08Z

Well, here the differences in spelling are quite easily explained because the pronunciation is very close in French (something like 'vervey' in English). So VERVET, VERVAIS, VERVAIT, etc. it's all the same and the spelling on records generally depends on the priest mood as people are often illiterate. If the name is common in the area, the same spelling is generally used on all records. But when people come from another region or even country, he writes it as he thinks it should be written or what he hears which can distort the original spelling quite a lot (think of accents in addition)! And the next priests do the same thing but of course with different results, so that's how you get multiple spellings for the same family...

In French, VIVIER and VERVET don't really sound the same.

You can hear a rendition there (choose 'French - Alice', and type "vivier, vervet, vervais, vervait"): http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo...

Yes I think you're very lucky the author of the article choose this couple as example! Sometimes the records are full of surprise and give us unexpected light on the past. I wonder the reason why they choose to begin such a pilgrimage and how long it took them (530 km probably on foot!) and if it was in hope of a child (as proposed by the author), what of Edme supposedly already born? Or was he then born later than we think?

You can see Marie Jeanne birth certificate here (p.111, last on the left): http://www.archives.aisne.fr/visu2/visu.html?INBAAFFICHER=11...
The godfather was Nicolas BÉGUIN, silversmith, and the godmother Marie GUILLAUME wife of Jacques DURIEUX, both from Liesse and who signed with the priest.

I think it's a wonderful idea of completing your study with pictures and other documents. I agree we generally focus on getting back as far as we could but once it's done, filling out the details makes the whole story much more interesting. You have there some original characters and facts to point out, so it's all good! I've also seen there are some VERNET St AMOUR around Montreal, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some variation of VERNET dit St AMOUR, the "v" and "n" handwritten can be quite similar (even sounds similar if you have a cold! :P)

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ama2fr — 2013-01-04 23:34:49Z

Happy to oblige! ;)

I'm not related to your family but I do have ancestors from this departement and coincidentally, even a nearby village.

While digging around some more, I discovered one very interesting article about Liesse-Notre-Dame, the village adjoining Marchais, where Marie Anne VERVAIS -Edme's sister- was born in 1728: http://www.histoire-genealogie.com/spip.php?article2290
(rough translation: http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=...)

It seems Liesse was quite a famous pilgrimage site until the revolution of 1789 when the Virgin Mary statue was destroyed. People mostly came from the surrounding area but your ancestors are proof that some came from much farther, as the priest noted on Marie Jeanne christening certificate:

« Le trente avril 1728 par moy Prêtre habitué de Liesse soussigné a esté Baptisé en la Chapelle Curiale dudit Liesse Marie Jeanne Vervais fille d’Antoine Vervais [et d’] Élisabeth Blossière son épouse de la Paroisse d’Ozel, diocèse de Clermont en Auvergne, estants venus en pelerinage a Notre Dame de Liesse a fait ses couche... »

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« On April 30, 1728, by me, the undersigned usual priest of Liesse was baptized in the parish Chapel of said Liesse Marie Jeanne Vervais daughter of Antoine Vervais [and] Elizabeth Blossière his wife from the Parish of Ozel, diocese of Clermont in Auvergne , who came in pilgrimage to Notre Dame de Liesse [and] was delivered/gave birth ... »

While Clermont en Auvergne clearly refers to Clermont-Ferrand in the departement of Puy-de-Dôme (in the region of Auvergne, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clermont-Ferrand), there is no village called Ozel but we can safely assume it's in fact Auzelles (38km south-east from Clermont-Ferrand) which is pronounced the same.

Since Edme VERVET declared on his marriage certificate that he was originating from Marchais, the village next to Liesse, I guess his parents decided to stay in the area instead of going back to Auzelles or maybe came back later. You'll have to browse the records of all 3 villages (Auzelles, Liesse, Marchais) to learn more and try finding more children records and eventually the parents deaths. Other types of archives (households counts, tax records, notarial records...) could also give some clues but if they still exist, they aren't as easily accessible as vital records and definitely not yet on-line.

I tried to follow the trail back to Auzelles but though Puy-de-Dôme archives are also on-line, Auzelles records have big gaps for the period before 1736. Well at least the departement collection has (records are kept in double, but only this set is available on-line). The communal collection for parish records (1664-1792, ref:3 E 23, kept at Auzelles town hall) is probably more complete because a local association have data for the missing years (see below).

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- Puy-de-Dôme archives: http://www.archivesdepartementales.puydedome.fr/

- How-to access them: http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=...

- direct link for Auzelles (click on the 'Inventaire complet [85 réponses dans 1 inventaire]' link on the top left to see all the records existing, not just those on-line): http://www.archivesdepartementales.puydedome.fr/archives/res...

- Cercle Généalogique et Héraldique de l'Auvergne et du Velay (CGHAV): http://www.cghav.org/

The association sells lists of indexed records (price: 0,45€ by page): http://www.cghav.org/Les-tables-de-depouillements.html

But some of their data are also loaned/rent to associations circles (geneabank, bigenet) and genealogical companies (genealogie.com, ancestry.com): http://www.cghav.org/-Les-bases-de-donnees-en-ligne-.html

-> their Geneabank database: http://caids.geneabank.org/form/cghav.html
(use * symbol as joker, but one word at least must be without joker)
-> details of content: http://geneabank.org/cgi-bin/listdatabase.pl?region=France+-...

For example, their data for Auzelles:
- on Geneabank:
. births: from 1629 to 1792 - 9925 records
. marriages: from 1693 to 1792 - 1497 records

- their lists of indexed records:
* means missing years in the indicated period
. marriage contracts & wills (Chabans parish): 1704-1728 * (43 records, 2 pages)
. marriages: 1693-1729 * (498 rec, 10 p)
. marriages: 1730-1792 (997 rec, 21 p)
. baptims/births: 1629-1669 (862 rec, 13 p)
. baptims/births: 1670-1729 (4115 rec, 61 p)
. baptims/births: 1730-1792 (4963 rec, 76 p)
. burials/deaths: 1629-1633 (167 rec, 2 p)
. burials/deaths: 1693-1729 (742 rec, 12 p)
. burials/deaths: 1730-1792 (2241 rec, 37 p)

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-> More pages/family trees:

- http://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogy...
- http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...
- http://gw5.geneanet.org/ra41dr07?lang=en&p=edme+aime&...
- http://gw3.geneanet.org/mgdrouin?lang=en&p=edme&n=ve...

-> One of Augustin VERVET & Suzanne VALADE son (Augustin, b. August 22, 1785 Montreal) became a priest: http://archive.org/stream/dictionnairebio05alla#page/216/mod...

-> About Pierre-Joseph CÉLORON DE BLAINVILLE : http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=1289...

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Concerning Canada, I'm not as familiar with their ressources but I've already done some research for families in Quebec and their records are in fact very similar (wording) to old French ones so it's not too difficult to understand them. I can at least give you a list of useful links I keep "under the thumb" for Québec & Canada:

. Tanguay Dictionary (Genealogical dictionnary of Canadian families): http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/dicoGenealogie/
. http://www.yourfolks.com/ (search for Vervet-St-Amour / Vivier)
. http://www.fichierorigine.com/index.htm
. http://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/genealogie.aspx?lng=en
. http://www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/999/index.php
. http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/public/RechRepUnions.a...
. http://qc.canadagenweb.org/lookups/lookupsste-a-sts-z.html

-> Explanations about the dit-names: http://genealogy.about.com/b/2010/07/08/understanding-dit-na...

Hope that'll help you! ;)

Best regards,
Amandine

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ehenvie — 2013-01-04 23:29:25Z

WOW,

Well not that just confused me a lot. lol.

This is why and maybe you coudl explain this to me if you don't mind.

Edme in the Tanguay books that you provided me his last name is spelled VERVET. On his marriage certificat to Marie Anne Vivier it's also spelled VERVET. On his death record it's spelled VERVAIS.

Now, in the article about Liesse-Notre-Dame. The dauhters spelling is Vervais...

Is it odd that Edme's wife has a smiliar name? I mean I checked all records and I never found him out to have a sister though that was only Canada collection.

Now, is there a reason why out of all the families that coudl have been listed my relatives were mentioned? Was there something special or luck? lol.

Thank you for the info about Augustin.. I actually went back to check it out and I have nothing for him besides dates.

My goal for 2013 is to complete this line fully with pictures, details stories ect... at least going back 4 generations.

I always tend to do the basics and now I am trying to fill everything in.

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ehenvie — 2013-01-03 21:25:08Z

WOW!

Thank you so much for your help. I was always confused about the Marchet part so that helps things out a bit.

Is your line from the same area as well or background?

It took me a minute to understand how the Drouin collections work but when I got to France i was lost and only info i got was someone who found a military record.

Thanks a lot! I will start researching and hopefully keep going! It seems there isn't many people directly that are searching this line :(. They had a million kids but not one of them seemed to keep records, including my own family. I am the first so it's been a little difficult.

I was told that my great-grandfather was the first to put electricity to the cross at Cote-des-nieges in montreal. He also lived to be a 100. Are you familiar with the Canada resources?

Re: Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ama2fr — 2013-01-03 14:53:24Z

Hello there!

From the 'Dictionnaire généalogique" of Cyprien Tanguay (http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/dicoGenealogie/), volume 7 p.451 (p.13 on-line: http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/dicoGenealogie//fp/193415242/p...):

VERVET (dit ST Amour, soldier of M. Celeron company) Edme
b. 1721; son of Antoine VERVET & Elisabeth BLASSIÈRE, from Marchet in the diocese of Laon.

m. August 18, 1749 in Montréal: VIVIER Marie Anne, b. 1722, daughter of Claude VIVIER (see VIVIER Claude II entry for ancestry)

children:
- Marie-Anne: b. Aug 3, 1750 - d. Sept 3, 1750 Montreal
- Etienne: b. 1752, m. Apr 19, 1779 Montreal with Catherine BOYER
- Jean-Baptiste: b. 1753, m. Oct 28, 1776 Montreal with Marie Louise RIDE
- Augustin: b. 1759, m. Nov 24, 1783 Montreal with Suzanne VALADE

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Marchet is in fact spelled Marchais and is a small village of the departement of Aisne, 14km north-east of Laon: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchais_%28Aisne%29

To understand the French Archives system, what you can expect and how to search them, I urge you to read this good introduction: http://genealogy.about.com/od/france/a/french_ancestry.htm

You'll find many useful links in my 2nd message here: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.weurope.france.general...

Departmental Archives links: http://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Archives_en_ligne

Aisne Archives: http://archives.aisne.fr/?IDINFO=4389

Censuses and military records are not yet available on-line but civil records (after 1792) and parish records (before 1792) are.

How to access the records: http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=...

Other links for Aisne: http://www.francegenweb.org/~wiki/index.php/Portail:Aisne

Finally, don't forget to search Geneanet, it's the biggest French database with free access to members trees. It seems at least one person already studies this family, though you might want to ask him his sources: http://gw4.geneanet.org/captkirk?lang=en&pz=living&n...

Good search, let me know if you need more help.

Amandine

Finding records between 1720 + in Aisne, France

ehenvie — 2013-01-03 05:41:10Z

I am having issue finding any kind of birth, marriage, military or census in france.

I found some information on the person I am looking for but not much.

Does anyone know how to get these records or where?

I am looking for Edme Vervet M. to Marie Anne Vivier
B.1721 Laon, Aisne, Picardie, France.

Dad-Antione Vervet
Mom-Elizabeth blassiere/marchet?

Re: Objet : Pierre Gregoire & Marie Anne Leveille

natnjames — 2012-12-19 00:13:26Z

Bonjour, merci beaucoup pour les informations. Je pense le St. Jean de Lion est la cathédrale dans Lyon, Rhône Alpes France.

Pierre Gregoire

natnjames — 2012-12-19 00:10:34Z

Seeking any ancestry information of Pierre Gregoire b. 1695-1705 who had a son named Jean Pierre Gregoire b. 1736 (dit Nanatais)who immigrated to Quebec Canada. Some of the sources I have seen have Pierre from Lyon, Rone Alpes married to a Marie Anne Leveille, or Noval or Laval.

Re: Coutard family - 17th arrondissement - 1870's

D_Mawle — 2012-12-07 15:03:48Z

Hi Amandine,
Thank you for your reply to my message. I also am not always notified of replies to my postings, so I have to go back and check. Thanks for confirming that the name was Havoué and the name of the street was Trézel. I was surprised to find that this street runs parallel to rue Lacroix where the Coutard /Hurard families lived and that if the numbering hasn't changed the 2 addresses 40 Lacroix and 8 Docteur Heulin would appear to back onto each other. I'll try to verify this using Google Earth. I was never looking for the Coutard / Mawle marriage in France because I knew that they were married in Soho, London in 1872. I was rather looking for their descendants of whom there seem to be very few. They had 5 children of whom 2 had died;confirmed by Maria Elizabeth Hurard on the 1911 census. The eldest child, Blanche Anna died at rue lacroix in 1884, aged 11. The other must have been Alice Désirée whose birth in 1875 you uncovered for me. No further mention of her. The only son, Louis Ernest Aimé seems to have been born in new York about 1874,married Margaret Gosling in 1906 had a daughter Vera in 1908. I don't know when or where Louis died, but Margaret was already a widow when she died in Connecticut in 1957. Their daughter, Vera seems to have never married as she died with her maiden name in Fresno, California in 1988. The 3rd Coutard daughter, Louise Maude born in rue Lacroix in 1876 married my granddad's cousin,her 2nd cousin, Arthur Barber Mawle in Hastings in 1901. They had no children and emigrated to the US in 1907. Louise died in Jacksonville, Florida in 1944. Arthur subsequently returned to England and married again. The youngest daughter, Maria Alice who was born in rue Lacroix in 1881 married Michel Henri Massonat sometime between 1901 and 1906 when they were living in Alberta, Canada. Henry, as he was known was a jeweller born in the 3rd arr., Paris in 1879. I haven't found any children born to them. Alice, as she was known was present at the death of her mother, Maria Elizabeth Hurard in Hastings in 1925. Alice died in Kent in 1941 and her will left everything to Frank Richard Beney.So it looks like I'll find no living descendants but who knows - maybe someone has info and photos of these people. Thanks again for all your help. As i've said before - you're a superstar!! Cheers, Dave

Re: Coutard family - 17th arrondissement - 1870's

ama2fr — 2012-12-04 17:44:36Z

Hi Dave!

It's only by chance I came upon your message while browsing the board because I sure did not receive any alert that someone replied to this thread! Weird, I used to before?

No matter, I'm glad to hear from you! Still looking for the Coutard family then? I've checked the records you indicated and you're right, the name is HAVOUÉ and it seems the brother and sister died mere hours from each other! I concur with you too that she perhaps died from learning the news as they both died in their own home, unless they were both ill (unlikely) or wounded together in some accident and brought back home (also unlikely, they would have been sent to the hospital if it was that serious). So... the shock of grief?

Ferdinand's home was rue Trézel No. 8, the street name was changed in 1927 and became 'rue du Docteur-Heulin' in honour of said doctor: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_du_Docteur-Heulin

Have you managed to find the COUTARD/MAWLE marriage?

Kind regards,
Amandine

Re: Coutard family - 17th arrondissement - 1870's

D_Mawle — 2012-12-02 18:25:13Z

Hi Amandine,
I see from recent postings that you're still helping amateur researchers like me. Thanks to you I've made a lot of progress and uncovered a lot in French records. Maria Elizabeth Coutard (née Mawle) married a second time to Pierre Arsène Hurard on 25/06/1892 in the 17th arr. Pierre's 1st wife, Anne Camille Hurard (Ancestry transcribed her maiden name as Havoné but it looks like Havoué to me)had died 6 months previously on 11/01/1892 in the 17th. Looking at the death record (13/01/1892) I saw that the preceding record was that of her brother, Ferdinand Pierre Havoué who also died in the 17th about 2 1/2 hours before his sister! Perhaps she succumbed to the shock of his death. His wife was born Adèle Désirée Hurard, the older sister of Pierre Arsène. It's a case of brother and sister marrying sister and brother!! I would like you to please look at the records and give me your opinion on whether the name is Havoué or Havoné and Ferdinand's address ( No. 8 Terizel or Orizel or ??? in the 17th arr. Thanking you in advance for your precious help!! Kind regards, Dave Mawle

Re: Antoine (Antoni) SZWARC

krzysztofszwarc — 2012-11-27 18:30:53Z

On attached photo first on left is Antoni Szwarc, in the middle is his daughter who have Margette. This photo was made on 24.05.1931 in Paris.

Antoine (Antoni) SZWARC

krzysztofszwarc — 2012-11-27 18:30:23Z

I'm looking for descendants of Antoine (Antoni) Szwarc, who was born on 14.12.1869 in Kruszwica, POLAND. He went to France. He lived probably in Paris. He had two daughters. I don't know their names. One of them had doughter MARGETTE who was born probably in 1931.

Krzysztof Szwarc

Forrest Shufflebarger in Le Havre, France

deleonwilna — 2012-11-22 20:52:54Z

I am trying to find out what Forrest Shufflebarger (1905-1981) was doing in France. He arrived in New York 10 Mar 1950.

Objet : Dc FRANCOMME Marie Anne

ferrandco — 2012-11-12 11:02:26Z

Bonjour Sylvie
Merci pour votre réponse.
Oui j'ai l'acte de mariage, et j'avais trouvé ce site, mais j'ai pas encore acheté de lot.
Merci pour votre aide.
Amicalement
Corinne

Objet : Dc FRANCOMME Marie Anne

sve92 — 2012-11-12 10:57:44Z

Bonjour Corinne,
Si vous souhaitez avancer dans vos recherches, je vous conseille d'acheter ce lot; c'est la seule solution pour avancer.
Le site est de confiance, je l'ai déjà utilisé.

http://www.geneaservice.com/login/index.php?logout=true
Série 16 : Banlieue parisienne - Décès - 1873-1882

Le décès est survenu en banlieue parisienne et à cette époque les villes sont nombreuses et pas toutes en ligne.
J'ai trouvée l'acte de mariage mais vous devez déjà l'avoir.
Cordialement
Sylvie

Objet : Dc FRANCOMME Marie Anne

ferrandco — 2012-11-11 16:19:34Z

Bonjour Sylvie,
Merci pour votre réponse.
Alors elle est née le 18/5/1839 à ST HUBERT VILLERS BETTNACH dans le 57.
Elle est mariée à LEGAY Eugène le 23/5/1867 à PARIS (10ème). Et elle serait dcd avant le 1/9/1877.
Voilà ce que j'ai.
Merci encore pour votre aide.
Je vous souhaite une bonne soirée.
Cordialement
Corinne