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Boudet from Rochefort

Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 17 Mar 2012 1:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Apr 2012 1:38AM GMT
Surnames: Boudet, Montesson, Fallourd, Jolinet, Frin, Frinn
I am looking for information on Pierre Boudet of Rochefort between 1675 and 1740. He had a brother Jean Boudet who married Madeleine Jolivet. Their father was Jacques Boudet and the mother was Mandee Fallourd of Doix. They lived for a period of time in Montreuil-sur-mer. Pierre was born there and moved to Rochefort when he was about 13.

Pierre Boudet in 1710 married Genevieve Louise Montesson (records have it spelled various ways!) Some list her as Louise Genevieve. She was the daughter of Etienne Montesson and Anthoinette Frin or Frinn There is a G. Montessont who witnesses the wedding of Pierre and Genevieve, so that is probably the correct spelling. Pierre was approximately 20 years old when he married.

Pierre was a merchant and ship owner who had extensive dealings with Canada, Louisiana, and Saint Domingue from 1740 on, working out of La Rochelle. He may have had another son named Pierre who continued trade with Saint Domingue in 1760 and later worked with Compagnie de les Indes.

I know Pierre and Genevieve had at least two other sons -- Francois Victor Boudet who went to Saint Domingue and had a sugar plantation. This Francois was born in 1724 and baptized in St. Louis church in Rochefort. The older brother, Noel Francois Boudet was born in 1712. I am wondering if he is the one that ended up in Santiago de Cuba.

Any information about this family would be greatly appreciated.

Dawn

Re: Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 16 May 2012 6:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Salut !

I found some information that seems to be directly linked to the families you are researching.

In a newsletter published by the Cercle Généalogiques d'Aunis et Saintonge from March 1992 (p. 4), they published a list of names of mariner families in La Rochelle and included this:

Pierre Henry CHEVILLARD DE MONTESSON (1703-1748) x Marie Anne BOUDET, fils Paul CHEVILLARD DE MONTESSON (1748-1820), ship captain. --- referencing the book below:

« Dictionnaire de biographie mauricienne », volume 2 (issues 1-28); author : Société de l'histoire de l'île de Maurice; published by Esclapon, 1941; p. 1555


Then, I looked at GeneaNet and found this posted:

Paul Chevillard de Montesson
Né le 22 septembre 1748 - Rochefort, Charente-Maritime, France
Décédé le 13 avril 1820 - Rochefort, Charente-Maritime, France , à l'âge de 71 ans
Capitaine de vaisseau
Parents : Pierre Henry Chevillard de Montesson 1703-1768
Marie Anne Boudet
Marié 1) : ??
Marié 2) : le 21 octobre 1783, Port-Louis, Île Maurice, avec Charlette Fortin, Née - Rennes, Ille-et-Vilaine, France, parents : Michel Fortin x Nicole Marie Guy (Note: Her first mariage : le 1er août 1769, Port-Louis, Ile Maurice, avec Pierre Jean Moreau.)
Marié 3) : avec Elizabeth Bertrand †1820/


Note: As you may know, the Île Maurice is now the République de Maurice, or in English, called Mauritius. It is an island republic off of the east coast of Madagascar, that was a French colony until 1810, when it was taken by the British Empire. -- The records for the French period still survive in Aix-en-Provence.


The connections of these people appears very strong to those you are researching. You should be able to easily find the birth and death records of Paul Chevillard de Montesson online at the site of the Archives of Charente-Maritime that you have used so well.

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I looked at the original marriage record Pierre BOUDET and Geneviève MONTESSON (27/01/1710 : Rochefort St Louis (17) to look at the names you mentioned. And, I reviewed names in indexes of the Cercle Généalogiques d'Aunis et Saintonge, Généalogie.com, and two name dictionaries I own.

Based on all of these sources, in my humble opinion, I believe your names should be spelled FRIN and MONTESSON.

On all of my sources, I saw FRIN also transcribed as TRIN, so please keep this spelling in mind, and use it as an alternative during your computer searches. (I am confident it is an « F » because I have seen this name spelled in lower case letters in several places. Also, the final stroke, the tail, of a capital « F » hooks to the left, (a « T » hooks to the right). -- As for doubled letters, as in your name FRINN, it is a very common occurrence and when comes at the end, as here, it is usually an error.

According to my Larousse Dictionnaire Étymologique, FRIN is a contraction of FERIN, an old word in Gallo dialect (Ille-et-Vilaine) that means « savage ».


Regarding MONTESSON, in old parish registers, you will see the letters « D », « T », and « S » very, very, very frequently added to names that end with nasal vowel sounds. Trying to determine what is the correct spelling comes from experience, but even confuses the best experts. I often try several variations of spellings about which I am unsure at Geopatronyme ( http://www.geopatronyme.com ) to see what appear most, and where. -- You may want to try this when you are stuck as well.

MONTESSON (and variations) is an obsolete name today. Based on my Larousse Dictionnaire Étymologique, it comes from TESSON, an old Norman word for the animal called a « badger » (français = blaireau), which becomes fierce when angry or attacked; a name variation is TESSEL.

When doing searches, please remember that CHEVILLARD DE MONTESSON is an authentic variation of your name, and it is very likely that you will find some records during your research that will only record CHEVILLARD (instead of MONTESSON). (Note: Chevillard = « butcher » in English)


I realize that none of this information answers any of your questions (big smile!), but perhaps you will find this a little interesting.

Bonne quête !

Re: Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 16 May 2012 12:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
In MY humble opinion, I think you are correct about the spelling of MONTESSON and FRIN. I looked for FRIN on Geneanet, but there are so many, I need to find some additional information to help narrow it down. Geneaology could become a full time occupation! So many things to explore!

I will definitely look further with the spellings you gave me.

I am curious, too, about MONTESSON. The grandson of Pierre Boudet, Pedro Jacinto Boudet, presented papers from Rochefort to the town council of Santiago de Cuba in 1789 saying he was from a noble family. Those papers could give me several generations.Unfortunately trying to find those papers in Cuba has resulted in a dead end. I'm wondering of the 'nobility' connection came through MONTESSON rather than BOUDET, although there are titled Boudets here and there. (Boudet is much more common name than I thought it would be!) I found that there was a Chateau de Montesson with marquis in Bais, département de la Mayenne. But at this point it is just a note to myself to explore further. It might not be related.

There is also a town of Montesson in the Yvelines department in the Île-de-France region in the suburbs of Paris. In the marriage record of BOUDET and MONTESSON, it seems to mention something about one or both of Genevieve's parents from the "ville de Paris".

I also had a note to explore the birth record of Marie Boudet and I think she could be a daughter of Pierre and Genevieve. Her name has appeared a few times when I was searching for other names. Now, with the information you provided, she is next on my list to check. It would make sense that CHEVILLARD DE MONTESSON, a ship captain, would be connected to the BOUDETS that were involved in trade with the colonies.

I cannot thank you enough for your time and effort and looking for information. Do you have relatives in the Fallourd or Boudet families?

Re: Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 17 May 2012 4:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Salut !

I am a historical researcher. I answer questions on French genealogy message boards when I am in mired in difficult research, my head hurts, and my eyes are weak (smile!). -- I have no connections to your research. (My family is from elsewhere in France.)

To answer your questions: Yes, your Boudet family members who were successful traders could have married into a noble family, which could be where they obtained their noble lineage.

On the other hand, do not put too much speculative effort into linking town names to family names. Although some long-shot links happen, I suppose, most chances are as likely as finding the goose's golden egg. More likely, you might find a place name (a square, a mill, a road, etc.) inside a town where an ancestor lived that could tie your family to a place via a notarial record. -- In general, stick to your records at hand and the facts you can verify that directly lead to new facts and new places.

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The history of the sugar and slave trade between Nantes, La Rochelle, and Bordeaux with Cuba and Saint-Domingue (Haïti), to the slave revolts, the revolution, and exodus back to France and New Orleans, fills volumes. It is endlessly fascinating and complex research.

Here are some resources that may help you with your Franco-Cuban research:

IREL ANOM : Archives nationales d'outre-mer (National Overseas Archives of France, in Aix-en-Provence)
http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/
»» This archive has most all of the historical colonial records of France, all periods, all places, including digitized online état-civil (birth, marriage, death records, etc.) for many places & online indexed databases

(When your research is advanced, you will want to visit the Diplomatic Archives in Nantes (CADN) - one of my favorites places to work! :
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/le-ministere/archives-et-pa...


Genealogy Forum - Research in Cuba
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Hispan...

Saint-Domingue Special Interest Group (SIG) - Augusta Elmwood
http://www.agh.qc.ca/fr/documents/sig.html

CARSURDEX
http://www.candoo.com/genresources/

CubaGenWeb.org
http://www.cubagenweb.org/

Peter E. Carr (1991), « Guide to Cuban-American Research: Records and Sources », order: P.O. Box 1125, San Bernardino, CA 92423
»» Explains how to access lesser know Cuban resources in the U.S.

George Ryscamp (1997), « Finding Your Hispanic Roots », Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD

Cuban Genealogical Society
P.O. Box 2650
Salt Lake City, UT 82110-2650
Publication: Revista

Institute of Genealogy and History for Latin America
316 West 500 North
St. George, UT 84770
Telephone: (801) 652-1710
Fax: (801) 674-5787


When you visit La Rochelle, an extremely beautiful historic city on the ocean - worth a trip to France by itself - be sure to visit the Musée du Nouveau Monde - a fine museum that covers everything you are researching!
http://www.ville-larochelle.fr/culture-sports-et-loisirs/esp...


I hope this message gives you many ideas and leads you to much success with your research!

Bonne quête !

Re: Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 17 May 2012 12:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
You are amazingly generous with your time, energy and expertise. You have opened so many doors that I may never have known and at best, would have taken me many more years to find. I am saving every one of your posts to my computer so the information never gets lost!

I have downloaded all the Revista magazines of the Cuban Geneaological Society and have found good information in them for parts of the family. I will definitely explore the other resources.

I would love to take a trip to France again now that I am doing this part of the family research.

Warm regards,
Dawn

Re: Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 17 May 2012 10:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your kind words. It is nothing. I am happy to help.

I want to add that there is an impressive book - which won several history writing awards (Florence Gould Fondation, Guggengeim Award, others) - that you should seek:

Christopher L. Miller (2008), « The French Atlantic Triangle : Literature and Culture of the Slave Trade », London & Durham (North Carolina USA): Duke Universty Press, pp. 572, ISBN 978-0822341512 (paperback, $29.95) -- Note: Mr. Miller is a professor at Yale University

Here is the link to the book at the Amazon.com site, which also has several positive editorial reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/The-French-Atlantic-Triangle-Literatur...

(It is also available for your Kindle reader !)

Bien amicalement !

Re: Boudet from Rochefort

Posted: 17 Jun 2012 3:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
I recently saw proof that Francois Victor Boudet, who died in Saint Domingue, was indeed the same Francois Boudet who married Theresa Morales in Santiago de Cuba. Their son, Pedro Jacinto Boudet y Morales lived and died in Santiago de Cuba.
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