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Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

CoconutQueen  (View posts) Posted: 28 May 2007 6:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
What a wonderful story about your father and mother and the engagement ring from the Arnautou's jewlery store!

No, I don't know what the name means in Bearnese.

I have lived in Hawaii for many years and have read that Biarritz (not sure if I spelled that correctly) is a popular surfing spot and that the people who surf there know who Hawaii-born surfer Duke Kahanamoku is.

Also, Bruyeres is one of Honolulu's sister cities. Duringn World War II, Bruyeres was under German occupation, and it was the American Soldiers of Japanese ancestry from Hawaii who liberated Bruyeres from the German occupation. They were the soldiers of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. I understand that those soldiers who so bravely became sons of Hawaii are still regarded as heros in Bruyeres.

I feel so many ties to the area of France where my family came from.

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

jlbn  (View posts) Posted: 28 May 2007 9:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Jeanne,

It is really nice to hear from you from Honolulu...

I live in Paris and have not been back to the USA since 2003. I plan on spending a month in Minnesota and Wisconsin this coming Summer with my family, and am looking forward to it.

I was born in Pau and have carried out significant genealogical research with my late father on surnames and branches coming from the Aspe valley where we originate from: Osse-en-Aspe, Sarrance, Lourdios, Bedous, Accous, and from other places north in the "flat lands" in Bearn and Pays Basque.

I am too far away to have access to the archives right now,and use Internet connections as much as possible, despite the general need for double checking it implies. What was once available freely from unpaid genealogy buffs or retirees is now accessible online at cost, in a way similar to Ancestry.com that shelters theses boards.

Swicbms is one of those sites. There is much to get there about the Labrucheries for example and by looking at the indexes available, I am confident that you could go back to the 1600-1650 period whre they were located in Issor, prior to one branch moving to Eysus. I am convinced that you and Jessica are related to the descendants of Marie Labrucherie that became famous in Argentina in the Liberation wars, and later on as Ministers of State Affairs. But it now costs about 1.5 US$ to get an electronic transcript of a single record, most often incomplete. Anyhow, if you're interested in knowing more about this site and using it, please let me know.

"Labrucherie" translates into "chaume" and "eteule" in French, whih means stubbles in English.

If you think I could help you in your research, I would be interested in getting detailed information on the individuals from Eysus and surrounding areas you are aware of in your family and relatives. I could check whether we have any connections or if I happen to have individuals in my database that could be of interest to you.
But there is no obligation whatsoever; I would understand that you want to keep some of this information private.
My private email is jlbn@wanadoo.fr.

All the best,
Jean-Luc

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

pdjackie1  (View posts) Posted: 28 May 2007 11:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Bonjour Jean-Luc and Jeanne,
Although I am not related to either of your families, I am enjoying your e-mails. Lena and Emile were like family to us. I too believe he was related to the Arnautou's from Pau.
I still have relatives in Escot and Lurbe working family farms. I have another cousin in Germencon. My mother was born in Escot. I had a grandmother from Lourdios, a grandfather from Cette-Eygun. I am not able to find where one of my grest grandfather's was born and it frustrates me.
I have been lucky enough to visit the area two times now. We stayed in Pau when we visited Escot. It is very beautiful there and I would love to come to France again.
My family surnames are, Pouquette, Lacourreye, Candalot, Dupuy.
Good luck,
Jackie

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

CoconutQueen  (View posts) Posted: 30 May 2007 4:11AM GMT
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Isn't the internet wonderful? It's great making connections like this!

Jeanne

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

CoconutQueen  (View posts) Posted: 30 May 2007 5:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
I know that my grandmother, Jeanne Lagrave had relatives who migrated to Argentina. She is related to the Labrucherie family on her mother's side; her mother was a Labrucherie.

I do know that the Labrucheries who are now in California and are descendants of people from Eysus are relatives, so I wouldn't be surprised if Artentina's Marie Labrucherie is a relative.

There's someting that's puzzling me about my great grandparents, Pierre Lagrave and Marie Labrucherie. They got married at Notre Dame De Victoire cathederal in San Francisco. There story in the family was that Pierre had a business partner and owned some land in San Francisco, which he sold when he returned to Eysus (he also went to Panama and bought and sold land). But what I don't know is why Marie Labrucherie, an unmarried woman from a small town in France, half a world away, was doing in San Francisco.

Was she there with her family? Why was she there, as a single woman, and how was it that she married a man, Pierre Lagrave, from the same small town in France, half a world away in San Francisco?

I found a record of them as husband and wife in the 1870 census in San Francisco; Pierre was 28 and she was 18. If I remember correctly, from the date on the copy of their marriage certifcate that Suzanne Arnautou Fitzpatrick send me, Pierre and Marie were married in 1869 and Notre Dame de Victoire.

Some time later (not sure exactly when), Pierre and Marie returned to the family farm in Eysus. They had a boy, and four girls, Gracieuse, Marie, Jeanne (my grandmother, for whom I was named)and Felicee. Felicee died as a young child. Graciuse and Marie were sent to America when they were teenagers (ages 15 and 17) to be chaperoned by their father's former business partner; Jeanne was sebt to San Francaisco in 1907 when she was 24.

Later, in 1908 or 1909, my grandmother, Jeanne Lagrave married Pierre Regla at Notre Dame de Victoire. Cyrille Arnautou, and my grandmother's sister Gracieuse Nouaux were the witnesses. By that time, her other sister Marie Lagrave Arnautou had already left Cyrille Arnautou and returned home to Eysus with her three children, Ferdinand, Emile and Maria. Marie died in 1909 at a young age (can't remember off hand what her age was, but she wasn't very old - in her 20s, maybe).

Emile and Ferdinand would later return to their father in San Francisco as youn adults; Maria returned as a young teenager still in school.

Another thing I still have to trace - but haven't gotten around to paying for a copy - is that Marie had some property that went through probate in San Francisco after she died, which means she owned some property. I know who to contact to get a copy of whatever it was that went through probate - I just haven't done it.

The more bits and pieces of information I find, the more I realize I have yet to find! Between what my grandmother told us before she died and what I've been able to piece together, I know there's a story here, but I don't know enough about it to know exactly what it is. Marie and Cyrille Arnautu's grandchildren seem to know even less than I do...their father Ferdinand seems to have rarely spoken of his childhood or his parents.

I'm having a hard time figuring out how to get into navagate around in Swicbms; seems to be intertiwned with Geneanet. Maybe you can help me with that.

Anyway, I should bring this post to a close before I continue going on and on and on and on....

Maybe you and Jackie would like to contacte me through my genealogy e-mail address - jeanniealogy@yahoo.com. But if you both would like to continue to correspond here, too, that would be good because we can all read the messages and amybe others who are related or know the family would find us, too. If we take our discussion to the e-mail, we could make sure we all get the e-mails. Whichever way you both want to communicate is fine with me and I'd appreciate both of you keeping in touch.

I am finding this so interesting and ma so glad you both fou nd my thread on this message board.

Jeanne

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

jlbn  (View posts) Posted: 31 May 2007 11:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Jeanne,

Work and social events kept me from answering sooner. It's actually fairly late (or early) here.

Swicbms indexes are incorporated in the Genanet database, so that you hit them when searching for a given surname. There is obviously some kind of commercial agreement between them, now that Geneanet has been a spun off from INRIA (National Intitute for IS reasearch) and must be financially viable. I spent some Swicbms units for you and found that Pierre Lagrave and Marie Labrucherie wedding had been officially transcribed onto Eysus records on March 4, 1896. Pierre is reported to be 27 when getting married in San Francisco which would position it around 1868-1869 since an other record indicates he was born on March 27, 1841 in Eysus. Nothing is said about witnesses.

I could not find track of a birth record for Felicie. Was she born in Eysus? Pierre appears as Jean-Pierre and Gracieuse as Engrâce which is very common. But I did not go all the way to get the information, I only went as far as I could as a suscriber, you may already have that information.

All the best,
Jean-Luc

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

ccandalot  (View posts) Posted: 25 Jun 2007 12:59AM GMT
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Dear Jackie,
Are you from California, USA?
I know a bit of the candalot/dupuy history
Regards,
Chrissy

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

pdjackie1  (View posts) Posted: 31 Jul 2007 10:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Candalot & Dupuy
Hi Chrissy,
Sorry, I haven't been on this website for awhile.
Yes, I do live in California, U.S.A. My grandparents on my father's side were Candalot and Dupuy.
I would love to hear what you know about my family.
Please e-mail me at pdjackie@yahoo.com.
Thanks,
Jackie

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

pdjackie1  (View posts) Posted: 31 Jul 2007 10:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Bonjour Jeanne and Jean-Luc,
I have not been on this site for a long time. Actually, I guess it has been 2 months. I hope you do not think I am rude. Just have been very busy.
I live in the desert in California, Palm Desert, and it has been very hot so we get out of town every chance we get.
I have also been doing my genealogy work at the LDS library here in town. I have been working in the towns of Lourdios, Arette and Cardesse. It is very time consuming but interesting.
One day, Jean-Luc, I may ask you to help me in using Swicbms. I totally do not understand it. Maybe later one day.
We are planning a visit to the big island of Hawaii in September ending up with 3 days on Maui. We are looking forward to that.
My best to you both,
Jackie

Re: Lagrave/Labrucherie/Arnautou/Eysus, France

CoconutQueen  (View posts) Posted: 1 Aug 2007 12:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Jackie!

Good to hear from you. Looks like you're keeping yourself busy!

Jeanne
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