I am researching the surnames Lagrave, Labrucherie and Arnautou fromy Eysus, France. I would love to hear from anyone related or with any knowledge of these families.

Jeanne

I am trying to gain more information regarding our family history as well. Maybe I will be able to help you a bit.
My father, Frank Andre Labrucherie was born in Washington State, USA. His father, John Labrucherie was son of Pierre Labrucherie, who was one of the some 20 children born to Raymond Labrucherie. As far as I have found out- through previous research done by Rose Labrucherie (in California, USA)- Raymond was from Eysus and his son Pierre emigrated to California, USA. The dates of these emigrations are vague- unfortuately my grandfather died when I was 8 and I'm unsure of where to look for more information. Please email me if you need further information and I'll do my best.
Best-
Jess Labrucherie

Hi, Jess!

We must be related! My grandmother's mother was a Labrucherie from Eysus (my grandmother was Jeanne Lagrave Regla; she had two sisters who also came to America - Gracieuse Lagrave Nouaux and Marie Lagrave Arnautou).

My e-mail address is jeanniealogy@yahoo.com. I would love to hear from you. I haven't found out much about the Labrucheries yet, although I have been able to trace the Lagrave sisters from the time they sailed from France. There are still alot of holes in my information.

I'm taking a couple of days off work next week and will be going to the LDS Family History Center near where I live. I do not have a subscription to Ancestry.com, but they do, so I will be able to use it there. Do you have a subscription to Ancestry.com? If not, perhaps I can look up info for you, too when I go there.

Jeanne

Hi Jessica,

I was interested by your mention of a Rose Labrucherie. She must be related to anoyher Rose Labrucherie, who married a Jacob Loustalot from Osse-en-Aspe, the place my family comes from, and came to the USA around 1895.
I am trying to trace those Loustalot in the USA, and identify some of their descendants.
I would like to know where that Rose came from, and if she was indeed from Eysus what is her connection to Felicie (born Felicite Marie Vincente) Labrucherie, who was also from Eysus and married Jacob's brother, Pierre.
Any help would be appreciated,
Best regards,
Jean-Luc Bilhou-Nabera

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know too much about "Aunt Rose". She was married to my Grandfather John Labrucherie's brother so is not a native Labrucherie. And the date you mentioned would have been way too early for her to be born.

Thank you for your post though!

Thank you for your kind message. I think Pierre Labrucherie arrived in the USA around 1893, if I am to believe the Nov 21, 1908 passengers' list for "La Savoie" sailing to New-York from Le Havre. He is returning home to SF with wife Louise from Eysus and daughters Léonie and Alice. Is your John a younger brother? Also, what led you to believe Raymond had 20 children? There aren't so many recorded in Eysus' birth records. There were other Labrucherie wouldbe fathers in Eysus around 1870 - 1880.
Jean-Luc

Dear Jessica:
My Name is david Labrucherie and my grandfather was Ray Labrucherie who resided in San Jose California, where I was born. If I can answer any questions with regards to that side of the family feel free to contact me at. (520) 544-3878.
Have a great day.
dave L.

Hi, David!

I sent you an e-mail. My grandmother's mother was Marie Labrucherie from Eysus; she married Piierre Lagrave. Her children were Pierre, Marie, Gracieuse and Jeanne. Pierre stayed in Eysus and inherited the Lagrave/Crohare farm. Marie, Gracieuse and Jeanne were all sent to San Francisco. Marie married Cyrille Arnautou; Gracieuse married Emile Nouaux; and Jeanne (my grandmother) married Pierre Regla. Do any of these names sound familiar to you?

Jeanne

I am looking also for Loustalot/Labrucherie connections. My husband's grandfather Pierre (Peter) and brother(?) Joseph lived with La Vincent Labrucherie in San Francisco according to the 1910 Census. They are listed as working in a Dairy. Pierre was later married and moved to Santa Clara area and worked as a cheesemaker. I am puzzled as to the Labrucherie connection. Were they just friends from the "old country"? My husband's grandfather came to the US from Lurbe, Franch in 1905.

I can't help you with the Labrucherie question but the surname Loustalot rang a bell. In the 1930s and 1940s there was a supervisor and sheriff in the town of Bakersfield, CA, with that name. I looked him up on the 1930 census and this is his information. He might be a relative:
Felicie Loustalot, head, age 53, widow, born in France, parents born in France,emig. 1894
John E. Loustalot, age 26, born CA, supervisor, Kern Co. Schools.
He became sheriff in the late 30s.

Best wishes,
Judy

Dear Judy -- thanks for the head's up. .I have recently heard of a branch of the Loustalots that "went south." LOL! This could be a lead on them. .

God Bless,
Melinda Loustalot

My grandfather's sister, Anna Francine Dupuy married a Joseph Capdevielle in France. They had a daughter named Louisa. Louisa married a Bernard Loustalot. I believe he was born in Feas, France in 1886. They lived in La Puente, California for many years before they both died.
There are two daughters plus their families still living in California.
Coincidently, we had a close family friend named Emile Arnautou. He came to California from France but later lived in New York and Canada. He was high up at Met Life Ins. Co.
Don't know if this helps or not.
Good luck, Jackie

Hi, Jackie,

Yes, that does help; Emile Arnautou is my mom's cousin. My grandmother (my mom's mother) had two sisters, Gracieuse and Marie. Marie married Cyrille Arnagou; Marie and Cyrille had three children, Emile, Ferdinand and Maria.

That's the Emile Arnautou your family knew.

When I was a teenager, one time when we took a trip to New York, we visited Emile. But, I remember Emile and his wife Lena comeing to family dinners before that, when I was younger.

Do you still keep in touch with the descendants from your family from France? I moved to Honolulu from Los Angeles in 1979 and really haven't kept in touch with any of my cousins on either side of the family (on my mom's side or my dad's side).

One of my cousins on my mom's side found and contacted me after I'd started doing genealogical research; I had posted on Rootsweb/Ancestory in the Los Angeles message board asking for an obituary lookup after her grandfather (my mom's brother) passed away. We have since lost touch again.

When we were in touch, she had given me the e-mail addresses for our cousins and I was e-mailing them genealogical info about our family as I'd find it, but I'm the only one who seems to be interested. Could also be that they weren't interested in hearing from me after 25 years of not hearing from me!

Jeanne

Hi, Jackie,

Yes, that does help; Emile Arnautou is my mom's cousin. My grandmother (my mom's mother) had two sisters, Gracieuse and Marie. Marie married Cyrille Arnagou; Marie and Cyrille had three children, Emile, Ferdinand and Maria.

That's the Emile Arnautou your family knew.

When I was a teenager, one time when we took a trip to New York, we visited Emile. But, I remember Emile and his wife Lena comeing to family dinners before that, when I was younger.

Do you still keep in touch with the descendants from your family from France? I moved to Honolulu from Los Angeles in 1979 and really haven't kept in touch with any of my cousins on either side of the family (on my mom's side or my dad's side).

One of my cousins on my mom's side found and contacted me after I'd started doing genealogical research; I had posted on Rootsweb/Ancestory in the Los Angeles message board asking for an obituary lookup after her grandfather (my mom's brother) passed away. We have since lost touch again.

When we were in touch, she had given me the e-mail addresses for our cousins and I was e-mailing them genealogical info about our family as I'd find it, but I'm the only one who seems to be interested. Could also be that they weren't interested in hearing from me after 25 years of not hearing from me!

Jeanne

Hi Jeanne,
Thanks for the response. It is so interesting to find mutual friends on these ancestry boards.
Lena and Emile were very close friends with my parents. I remember them well. I know that we all lived in Alhambra, CA for awhile. That must be where they met. Lena lived until she was 100.
My mother was born in Escot, France which is close to Eysus. I have been doing quite a bit of genealogy on her side of the family. (Pouquette, Manaut, Lacourreye). In fact she had a cousin move to Hawaii years ago. He has since died but his wife and son still live there. He has a lot of relatives there. His name wss Manaut. My great grandmother was a Manaut.
I have also tried to research my father's side of the family with no luck at all. (Dupuy, Pedelaborde, Candalot, Lassalle). His mother was supposedly from Lourdios, but I find no record of her birth there. I can't find his father at all. Very frustrating. If any one out there can help in this area, I would love it.
I do sort of keep in touch with 2 cousins in France. My mother's relatives.
Good luck with your research,
Jackie

I did read that Lena had passed away at 100 years of age. She'd been living in a senior citizens' community in Boca Raton, Florida, I think.

When I was in high school and was taking French, I corresponded with my cousin Marie Louise Lagrave. She's one of the grandchildren of my grandmother's brother; her father, the brother's son, had inherited the family home and farm in Eysus.

I was in touch with some Arnautou relatlives for awhile (cousins from one of my grandmother's sisters side). One of them, Phil, sent me some photograhs of the Lagrave family home in Eysus when he went to visit the relatives that still live there.

I haven't done any research at all in France and the information I have on the Lagrave family is from a genealogical chart that Phil Arnautou sent me. His sister, Suzanne, sent me copies of my grandparents' marriage certificate and our great grandparents' marriage certificate from Notre Dame de Victoire in San Francisco. She also sent me a copy of a picture of our great grandparents when they were older, years after they'd left San Francisco and had gone back to the farm in Eysus. My great grandmother looked so exactly like my mother, it was like looking at her face old fashioned clothing!

Phil and Suzanne area grandchildren of Emile's brother Ferdinand.

Out of curiosity, I looked in the phone book just know to see if any Manauts were listed. There are two listed - a Frank J. and a John P., an attorney. There could be more, but they have unlisted phone numbers.

I'm really glad you found my thread and resonded to me. I'd like to keep in touch.

Jeanne

Hi Jeanne and Jackie,

I got automated notifications of your recent postings on this message board. It is so strange to hear you talk about familiar places and names from far away, in space and time.
I know Escot and Eysus. My family comes from Osse-en-Aspe, a mile away from Lourdios. When I was a kid, our family walks in Pau would bring us near the Arnautou jewelry store, where my father had bought my mother's engagement ring. She would tell me the story over and over in front of the window panes, how shy and uncomfortable he was about the whole business after over 7 years in Indochina. are your Arnautou from Pau? The jewelry store still exists today. Some of my ancestors had relatives connected with the Labrucherie. Some of their descendants are now famous in Argentina. By the way, do you know what the surname means in Bearnese?
All the best,
Jean-Luc

Hi, Jean-Luc!

Where are you from? I have a cousin named Jean-Luc who is relatead through my grandmother on the Lagrave side of the family. He has a twin brother named Jean-Marc and are from Quebec. Their father, Frank married my mother's cousin, Anna.

Are you the same Jean-Luc?

Yes, I believe this is the same Arnautou family that came from Pau.

Jeanne

That's wonderful that the Arnautuou's jewelry store is still there. The Lagrave home that my grandmother grew up in is still in Eysus and still in the family. I have cousins who live there.

Isn't the internet wonderful that we can correspond with people half-way around the world and find something in common with them?

Jeanne

What a wonderful story about your father and mother and the engagement ring from the Arnautou's jewlery store!

No, I don't know what the name means in Bearnese.

I have lived in Hawaii for many years and have read that Biarritz (not sure if I spelled that correctly) is a popular surfing spot and that the people who surf there know who Hawaii-born surfer Duke Kahanamoku is.

Also, Bruyeres is one of Honolulu's sister cities. Duringn World War II, Bruyeres was under German occupation, and it was the American Soldiers of Japanese ancestry from Hawaii who liberated Bruyeres from the German occupation. They were the soldiers of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. I understand that those soldiers who so bravely became sons of Hawaii are still regarded as heros in Bruyeres.

I feel so many ties to the area of France where my family came from.

Hi Jeanne,

It is really nice to hear from you from Honolulu...

I live in Paris and have not been back to the USA since 2003. I plan on spending a month in Minnesota and Wisconsin this coming Summer with my family, and am looking forward to it.

I was born in Pau and have carried out significant genealogical research with my late father on surnames and branches coming from the Aspe valley where we originate from: Osse-en-Aspe, Sarrance, Lourdios, Bedous, Accous, and from other places north in the "flat lands" in Bearn and Pays Basque.

I am too far away to have access to the archives right now,and use Internet connections as much as possible, despite the general need for double checking it implies. What was once available freely from unpaid genealogy buffs or retirees is now accessible online at cost, in a way similar to Ancestry.com that shelters theses boards.

Swicbms is one of those sites. There is much to get there about the Labrucheries for example and by looking at the indexes available, I am confident that you could go back to the 1600-1650 period whre they were located in Issor, prior to one branch moving to Eysus. I am convinced that you and Jessica are related to the descendants of Marie Labrucherie that became famous in Argentina in the Liberation wars, and later on as Ministers of State Affairs. But it now costs about 1.5 US$ to get an electronic transcript of a single record, most often incomplete. Anyhow, if you're interested in knowing more about this site and using it, please let me know.

"Labrucherie" translates into "chaume" and "eteule" in French, whih means stubbles in English.

If you think I could help you in your research, I would be interested in getting detailed information on the individuals from Eysus and surrounding areas you are aware of in your family and relatives. I could check whether we have any connections or if I happen to have individuals in my database that could be of interest to you.
But there is no obligation whatsoever; I would understand that you want to keep some of this information private.
My private email is jlbn@wanadoo.fr.

All the best,
Jean-Luc

Bonjour Jean-Luc and Jeanne,
Although I am not related to either of your families, I am enjoying your e-mails. Lena and Emile were like family to us. I too believe he was related to the Arnautou's from Pau.
I still have relatives in Escot and Lurbe working family farms. I have another cousin in Germencon. My mother was born in Escot. I had a grandmother from Lourdios, a grandfather from Cette-Eygun. I am not able to find where one of my grest grandfather's was born and it frustrates me.
I have been lucky enough to visit the area two times now. We stayed in Pau when we visited Escot. It is very beautiful there and I would love to come to France again.
My family surnames are, Pouquette, Lacourreye, Candalot, Dupuy.
Good luck,
Jackie

Isn't the internet wonderful? It's great making connections like this!

Jeanne

I know that my grandmother, Jeanne Lagrave had relatives who migrated to Argentina. She is related to the Labrucherie family on her mother's side; her mother was a Labrucherie.

I do know that the Labrucheries who are now in California and are descendants of people from Eysus are relatives, so I wouldn't be surprised if Artentina's Marie Labrucherie is a relative.

There's someting that's puzzling me about my great grandparents, Pierre Lagrave and Marie Labrucherie. They got married at Notre Dame De Victoire cathederal in San Francisco. There story in the family was that Pierre had a business partner and owned some land in San Francisco, which he sold when he returned to Eysus (he also went to Panama and bought and sold land). But what I don't know is why Marie Labrucherie, an unmarried woman from a small town in France, half a world away, was doing in San Francisco.

Was she there with her family? Why was she there, as a single woman, and how was it that she married a man, Pierre Lagrave, from the same small town in France, half a world away in San Francisco?

I found a record of them as husband and wife in the 1870 census in San Francisco; Pierre was 28 and she was 18. If I remember correctly, from the date on the copy of their marriage certifcate that Suzanne Arnautou Fitzpatrick send me, Pierre and Marie were married in 1869 and Notre Dame de Victoire.

Some time later (not sure exactly when), Pierre and Marie returned to the family farm in Eysus. They had a boy, and four girls, Gracieuse, Marie, Jeanne (my grandmother, for whom I was named)and Felicee. Felicee died as a young child. Graciuse and Marie were sent to America when they were teenagers (ages 15 and 17) to be chaperoned by their father's former business partner; Jeanne was sebt to San Francaisco in 1907 when she was 24.

Later, in 1908 or 1909, my grandmother, Jeanne Lagrave married Pierre Regla at Notre Dame de Victoire. Cyrille Arnautou, and my grandmother's sister Gracieuse Nouaux were the witnesses. By that time, her other sister Marie Lagrave Arnautou had already left Cyrille Arnautou and returned home to Eysus with her three children, Ferdinand, Emile and Maria. Marie died in 1909 at a young age (can't remember off hand what her age was, but she wasn't very old - in her 20s, maybe).

Emile and Ferdinand would later return to their father in San Francisco as youn adults; Maria returned as a young teenager still in school.

Another thing I still have to trace - but haven't gotten around to paying for a copy - is that Marie had some property that went through probate in San Francisco after she died, which means she owned some property. I know who to contact to get a copy of whatever it was that went through probate - I just haven't done it.

The more bits and pieces of information I find, the more I realize I have yet to find! Between what my grandmother told us before she died and what I've been able to piece together, I know there's a story here, but I don't know enough about it to know exactly what it is. Marie and Cyrille Arnautu's grandchildren seem to know even less than I do...their father Ferdinand seems to have rarely spoken of his childhood or his parents.

I'm having a hard time figuring out how to get into navagate around in Swicbms; seems to be intertiwned with Geneanet. Maybe you can help me with that.

Anyway, I should bring this post to a close before I continue going on and on and on and on....

Maybe you and Jackie would like to contacte me through my genealogy e-mail address - jeanniealogy@yahoo.com. But if you both would like to continue to correspond here, too, that would be good because we can all read the messages and amybe others who are related or know the family would find us, too. If we take our discussion to the e-mail, we could make sure we all get the e-mails. Whichever way you both want to communicate is fine with me and I'd appreciate both of you keeping in touch.

I am finding this so interesting and ma so glad you both fou nd my thread on this message board.

Jeanne

Hello Jeanne,

Work and social events kept me from answering sooner. It's actually fairly late (or early) here.

Swicbms indexes are incorporated in the Genanet database, so that you hit them when searching for a given surname. There is obviously some kind of commercial agreement between them, now that Geneanet has been a spun off from INRIA (National Intitute for IS reasearch) and must be financially viable. I spent some Swicbms units for you and found that Pierre Lagrave and Marie Labrucherie wedding had been officially transcribed onto Eysus records on March 4, 1896. Pierre is reported to be 27 when getting married in San Francisco which would position it around 1868-1869 since an other record indicates he was born on March 27, 1841 in Eysus. Nothing is said about witnesses.

I could not find track of a birth record for Felicie. Was she born in Eysus? Pierre appears as Jean-Pierre and Gracieuse as Engrâce which is very common. But I did not go all the way to get the information, I only went as far as I could as a suscriber, you may already have that information.

All the best,
Jean-Luc

Dear Jackie,
Are you from California, USA?
I know a bit of the candalot/dupuy history
Regards,
Chrissy

Hi Chrissy,
Sorry, I haven't been on this website for awhile.
Yes, I do live in California, U.S.A. My grandparents on my father's side were Candalot and Dupuy.
I would love to hear what you know about my family.
Please e-mail me at pdjackie@yahoo.com.
Thanks,
Jackie

Bonjour Jeanne and Jean-Luc,
I have not been on this site for a long time. Actually, I guess it has been 2 months. I hope you do not think I am rude. Just have been very busy.
I live in the desert in California, Palm Desert, and it has been very hot so we get out of town every chance we get.
I have also been doing my genealogy work at the LDS library here in town. I have been working in the towns of Lourdios, Arette and Cardesse. It is very time consuming but interesting.
One day, Jean-Luc, I may ask you to help me in using Swicbms. I totally do not understand it. Maybe later one day.
We are planning a visit to the big island of Hawaii in September ending up with 3 days on Maui. We are looking forward to that.
My best to you both,
Jackie

Hi, Jackie!

Good to hear from you. Looks like you're keeping yourself busy!

Jeanne

I think my research is very close to your information. I am looking for a connection between Jean-Pierre Labrucherie and Loustanou. I am doing the research for my son-in-law. His grandmother was a Labrucherie. She recalls that he was married to Marie Jeanne Barratte. Because I have been doing some fairly extensive research on other families I realize that there are many variant spellings. Henrietta Labrucherie actually met Peter Enos in the Seattle area and then moved to the Santa Clara area of California. If you have any information I would really appreciate it.

I posted the following on my delphi forum from the genealogy that Phil Arnautou sent me. If you'd like to join me at that forum, the link is:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/jeanniealogy/messages


Here is a partial genealogy beginning with Bernard
Lagrave, who was born in 1783.

Generation 1:

Bernard LaGrave (1783-1833) married Catherine Claverie
(1783 - 1855) on March 2, 1803.

Their childeren were:

Pierre LaGrave (11/12/1816)
Jean-Francois LaGrave (1812-1886)

Generation 2

Jean-Francois LaGrave married Engrace Casebonne (d.
1888 or 1889)

Their childrene were:

Marie LaGrave (b. 1868) - married Jean Menioulet
Bernard LaGrave (b. 1863) - married Cahterine LaCome
Pierre LaGrave (b. 1861) - married Marie Labrucherie
(b. 1832)
Jean-Pierre (b. 1865) - married Thaize Lacazette

Generation 3:

Pierre LaGrave and Marie Labrucherie

Their childeren were:

Jean Leon LaGrave (married Marie Louise Fourcade)
1871 - 1952

Marie LaGrave (married Cyrille Arnautou
1873 - 1909

Gracieuse LaGrave (married Emile Nouaux)
06/28/0874 - 01/01/1957

Jeanne LaGrave (married Pierre Regla)
1884 - 1981

Generation 4

Children of Jean Leon and Marie:

Anna
Fenande
Jeanne
Jean Marie
Jules
Jean Baptiste

Children of Marie and Cyrille Arnautou:

Ferdinand
Emile
Marie

Children of Gracieuse and Emile Nouaux:

Saturnin
Leonne
Armand
Noelie

Children of Jeanne and Pierre Regla

Andrew
Rene
Emma Louise

Thank you so much for your very thorough reply. I definitely appreciate the information. I will begin the journey to fill in the gaps.

I packed away my research when I moved - my Labrucherie/Lagrave, etc. stuff is all in one folder, so it's just a matter of finding the folder. When I do, I can scan some of the stuff in and send it to you as an attachment to an attachment to an e-mail, or I could attache it here - looks like we can attach documents here, too.

I have that chart from my cousin Phil that the info I sent you is from - I could scan it in. The Labrucherie family in the San Francisco area has family reunions periodically. That genealogy info came from one of the Labrucherie family reunions.

Keep in touch and let me know what you find out. I am almost certan that anyone related to the Labrucheries must be related, even if it's a distant relationship. According to this website - www.notrefamille.com - people with the name Labrucherie in France are historically localized to just one area - The Aquitane, or Basses Pyrenees (sp?) area), so I'm guessing they're all related.

Jeanne

Hello Jeanne and Jackie, and greetings to other readers,

Jeanne, I have diverging dates for Pierre Lagrave (aka Marie Labrucherie's husband): my sources indicate that he was born May 27, 1841 (and not 1861) which is more consistent with his father being born in 1811-1812 and his son in 1871. Would the 20 year difference also apply to his brothers and sisters? By the way, his sister Mary is married to a man called Menjoulet (I am related to some of them) and not Menioulet.

If I am not mistaken your relation to them is through Emma Louise and Jeanne. I have a certain number of Labrucherie's in my database, but have not been able to link your Marie to them. Would you have any hint? I think you're the one who told me she was about 29 years old when Jeanne was born.
All the best,
Jean-Luc

I think your sources for a birth date aof 1841 may be correct; Pierre and Marie Lagrave were in San Francisco in the early 1870s. They are in the 1870 census; Pierre is 28 and Marie is 18. The 1861 could be a typo on my part.

Yes, you are correct; I am Emma Louise's daughter; Emma Louise was Jeanne Lagrave Regla's daughter. Jeanne was one of Marie and Pierr's daughters, and it's Marie who was the Labrucherie.

I know there is a Labrucherie genealogy that was done for one of the family reunions, and I thought I had it, but it's the Lagrave genealogy that I have. I'll see if any of my cousins on that side of the family have a copy they can scan in and send me. Two of my cousins told me they had it at one time and don't know what they did with it.

I'll ask again and see if they can find it.

Jeanne

Jeanne:
I think we exchanged emails about 4 years ago. I wonder whether the LaGrave research has turned up my great great aunt's husband. He was born in Spain in 1848 and lived in Eysus. His name was Joachim LaGrave. He died in San Francisco in 1900.

I'm also curious about a CADI listing for Jules P. LaGrave, born in 1902 to an ARROUGE mother. If anyone knows who she was, it would be of interest. Another of my great great aunts married an Arrouge, and I'd like to figure out how they all connect (as I believe they do).

Best wishes,
Pat.
was MA, now ME

My cousin's son will be traveling to Eysus; I will ask him to see if he can find out if Joachim is a relative. I have not come across this name in my research, but perhaps when my cousin's son goes to Eysus, he will be able to find out if this is a relative.

Regarding Jules, I was under the impression that Jules P. with the Arrogue mother listed in the death index was my grandother's cousin, but looking at the genealogy I was given by a cousin, parents of the Jules Lagrave in my famiily were Jean Leon Lagrave and Marie Louise Fourcade.

Jeanne