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looking for german ancestors

searchforgreats — 2009-11-09 01:50:11Z

I am looking for relatives of my great-great-grandfather Franz Krebs who emigrated to Australia in 1862. He was born in nieder morlen in "Kurhefsen", but may have also lived in darmstadt, Hessen. His mother was magdalena mobbs(or possiblewy moebs) and father ulrich krebs. He came by himself aged 28 years, occupation Lundmann (peasant?).

Re: Voegtling of Weiterswiller, Alsace

albertklein1 — 2009-11-08 16:07:12Z

Hello Cindy,

Your first messages on Rootsweb dates back to 2000... I suppose/hope that in 9 years' time someone has already forwarded you the information I have.
I'm Albert KLEIN from Alsace and I'm not related at all. I just remembered finding lots of information about some ancestors in Weiterswiller from Mr François SCHUNK's website which you most probably know.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f.s.weiters/SiteWeiters/Etat%20c...

On this page (Etat civil) you will find a file with births (Naissances) from 1st Jan 1793 to 31 Dec 1872 :
- There is only one Michel, born on 24 Feb 1807 from Philippe Jacques VOEGTLING and Salomé HANS (these two didn't get married in W. see lutheran/protestant church books : registres paroissiaux protestants; and none of the three lived in W when the 1st French census took place in 1836, nor on the following ones in 1841 and 1846) (Census : see recensements)
From the church books I learnt that all VOEGTLINGs were lutheran.
- There is only 1 boy born in 1815, named Georges, born on 3rd Jun 1815, from jean Henri V. and catherine HUSSER. But in the 1846 census he still lives with his mother and is said to be an imbecile/mentally disabled...

In the Grenier (=attic) in Coffre (=chest) 3, you will find a reconstitution of the VOEGTLIN family (see #25, no place of marriage...)

Hope this email address is still the right one... (Actually it isn't...)

Best wishes and good luck.

Albert

Re: Voegtling from Weiterswiller, Alsace Lorraine, FR

mawag25 — 2009-11-08 11:32:58Z

On the 1836 census CD of Bouxwiller, Drulingen, La Petite Pierre and Sarre Union, I found 20 VOEGTLIN in Weiterswiller, but NO Michel (in french) or Michael.
Weiterswiller is close to Ingwiller. I am living in the East of this area.
Here the web side of Weiterswiller : http://www.cc.pays-de-hanau.com/fr/weiterswiller/weiterswill...

Re: Lambert Halter

rohchar — 2009-11-08 10:29:08Z

Hi,

For Illinois and Indiana, they should rather arrive to
New-Orleans.
http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT...

The Lambert HALTER born in Birkenwald is a brother of
(Johann) Michel, who emigrated as family of 5.

His wife :
Francoise LUSTENBERGER, from Wangenbourg, Alsace, not
too far from Birkenwald.
They married in Birk., on Jan 28, 1824.

see : http://genealogy.rohrbacher.net/cim4580

They had 3 children born in Birk. :
Sophie, Feb 27, 1824,
Joseph, Apr 24, 1828,
Florent, Oct 16, 1830.

These 5 emigrated before 1838, as your Lambert.

To link the Lambert from Haguenau to the Lambert of Birk.,
you should find his marriage certificate (in Haguenau ???).

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/...

If your link is proven, you should be able to trace his
ancestors until 15th century (see geneanet data).

regards,
Charles.

Re: Voegtly of Pgh

virginiagarlick1 — 2009-11-07 19:09:00Z

Hello I only just read your post of the year 2000. I am from the Pittsburgh Voegtly family. My grandmother was the grand-daughter of Nicolas Voegtly. Her father was Nicolas' oldest son, William. He married Mary Quinn, a housemaid of the Voegtly's, and had four children. They were all born in Pgh, died in Youngstown, Ohio,except the youngest Chester. The eldest grandson of Nicolas went to California as a young man and died there. I would appreciate a reply through my email, and to discuss the family further, to gain more information.

thanks

Re: Obernai Catholic Marriage Index, 1617 to 1792. RIGHT HERE. by Bride.

BKostelnik333 — 2009-11-07 18:49:47Z

can anyone tell me what the PV and similar abbreviations mean after the names?

Thanks in advance,
Barb (Binders from Alsace) Kostelnik

Parish maps for Strasbourg?

clampshire — 2009-11-05 16:41:55Z

I am searching for the marriage of my ancestors in the city of Strasbourg around 1745-55.

I have not found it in the church where their son was baptised. I would like to check surrounding parishes for the record. Is there a map available which shows the parishes within the city of Strasbourg?

Postcards from Guebwiller/Buhl - Info request

brianmuller — 2009-11-05 15:31:21Z

I have three old postcards of what I would call today a community band that are from the Guebwiller and Buhl areas. I believe that one of my ancestors is in all three and served at one time as a Conductor. I am willing to send these to anyone who might have more information about these groups. The Postcards I have are as follows; (1910) Musiksection des. kath. Junglings-Vereins Gebweiler [trans. Music sectio of the Catholic Association?); (1930) Harmonie de Buhl; and (1938?) Societe de Musique Ouvriere - Liberte - Guebwiller.
If anyone has any information on these groups or wishes to view these postcards. Contact me at bmuller@gfacademy.org.
Thanks,
Brian Muller

Re: ineich family

Broncof150 — 2009-11-04 05:17:47Z

I am an Ineich, John Ineich I am 38, I live in Syracuse, I know Felix, he was my grandfather from my dads side. He is buried in Manoa last I knew and does only have a marker. I know my dad had an Uncle Eddie,,but I dont recognise the other names.

Re: Lambert Halter

cim4580 — 2009-11-04 02:01:28Z

There is a local LDS church here in our town with a family history center. What would I need to ask for to be able to view and or get a copy of this information?

Re: Lambert Halter

cim4580 — 2009-11-04 01:36:11Z

Thank you so much for the digital copies of the originals! I doubt I would have came across them otherwise. Do you know of any way to find out what ship they sailed on, or what port they would have used. Would it have possibly been listed somewhere? Thank you again for the help and wonderful information!!!

Re: Bautz

meritaten21 — 2009-11-03 04:11:29Z

Conrad and Peter Bautz are my great uncles. My grandmother was their sister, and lived with Maria and Peter Ott before marrying my grandfather. Please contact me! We are working on the family tree and have tons of info!
Susan Horn Elamri
meritaten21@yahoo.com

Re: Andreas Buettel

smithausx — 2009-11-03 03:51:53Z

Hi again,
That's the newspaper that has the La Rochelle with Margareth Seubert & Burkhard Buettel aboad. They were seated together. I've seen from the Australian Archives about alien registrations document for Andreas just before the 1st world war. This document says 1859 he entered into the Commonwealth & he was of german background, born 1837. They were suspicious about germans then as well as ww2. Margareth came from Wenkheim some distance SE of Wertheim, & her & parents can be found on the IGI, interesting that I haven't been able to find Andreas' immediate family on the IGI though. There are immigration documents asking for release from the state for Margareth & the Burkhard Buettel. I did get Andreas', these were not cheap about 40 euros. The little church Wehrkirche of Urphar is where Andreas & his folk would have attended I believe. If you type it into Google images you'll find a nice selection of pictures. Cheers

Re: Andreas Buettel

gardengarden — 2009-11-02 23:57:37Z

I guess you have seen this?
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4606870
2nd column from right fourth row down.
Cheers

Re: Steltzlen family

cindysoul — 2009-11-02 23:37:50Z

Hello Cousin!
I've been checking my email everyday, hoping I get a note from you! LOL! I am so looking forward to talking with you! Do you remember the name of the lady that had Sebastian's birth certificate? Was she one of Sebastian's daughters? I have looked everywhere for information about Sebastian! LOL! I'm beginning to think Sebastian must have been his middle name! LOL! Take care cousin! Cindy

Re: Andreas Buettel

gardengarden — 2009-11-02 23:05:37Z

Thanks for that. Glad we finally made contact. Have got copy of book arriving in the next few days, so shall enjoy the read! I will let you know anything more I find out. Cheers S.I.

Re: Durlinsdorf

KYJustin — 2009-11-02 22:43:05Z

Apologies for not writing in French. I am unable.

My father's ancestors left Durlinsdorf in 1872. They were

Louis MEYER
1829-1910

and his son,

Eugene MEYER
1862-1911

Also their extended family. I have their original immigration records and travel documents, as well as many photographs.

They moved to Kentucky, United States, where they started a farm that my family still owns. Also interesting, the church founded in their community is called St. Peter and Paul, the same as in Durlinsdorf.

I have also been searching through microfilm records from Durlinsdorf, including the French Civil Records, and church records, with quite a bit of success. I still have much more to do, as the French language is difficult for me to decipher.

I am very interested in all things Durlinsdorf, as it is a place that my family has talked about for generations. I hope to eventually travel there one day.

Re: Lambert Halter

kellycooper27 — 2009-11-02 17:13:15Z

You can order the Haguenau tapes from your local LDS FHC. Do you have one near you?

If you e-me at kelly.ancestry@verizon, I can help you further.
kelly

Jacob Mossing Sr. brother Peter

2009-10-30 15:43:27Z

Looking for the names of parents of these
two brothers and where they were from. Came to Ohio
1873-1875 from Alsace-Loraine area. Were farmers. May have spelled the name Massing
Peter had a child age five who died there.

Re: Coustans in Bischwiller, Alsace

salnhub — 2009-10-25 22:15:45Z

Thanks for the offer but I'm a registered user on the LDS Site and I've found the info...just have to go into town to look at the info...Do you know if the info is in French or English...The LDS site has the info in French, so wondering if it has been translated so that I can look at it. Thanks again for the offer...Sally

Re: Coustans in Bischwiller, Alsace

LynGenePool73 — 2009-10-25 19:10:06Z

Hello Sally,

If you are interested in getting actual microfilm of the births, deaths and marriages, I can get the film numbers from the LDS site for you and you can order and view at your local Family History Center.

There is listed Bischwiller the Canton and Bischwiller the town.

Regards,
Lynn Scarengos, LDS volunteer in New Orleans.

Re: Coustans in Bischwiller, Alsace

LynGenePool73 — 2009-10-26 02:58:49Z

Sally,

The records are in French and Latin. Earlier records are in German and Latin.

Lynn

Re: Schwabweiler Family

FHHELD — 2009-10-30 12:06:47Z

Ken,

If your looking for someone from Baden, don't you thing that a message board or mail list that serves that area might be the place to post a query?
Try http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/BADEN-WURT...

However, just as in Alsace or Lorraine they will ask if you have done your homework and researched all the information where Jacob lived, because the exact village name is usually required. Exact information is also good to know: birth date, marriage date, any siblings known, family religion, and etc.

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

geniejom — 2009-10-26 19:50:13Z

1836 census

Bischwiller and Hauguenau Cantons

Soufflenheim
Dite Gentzeck 148

Joseph Stieger, 42y, married, mason
Maria Anna Burger, 43y, married
Theresa Stieger, 13y
Josephine Stieger, 11y
Maria Anna Stieger, 9y
Charles Stieger, 7y

Religion listed "I" (independent) This appears to be the only family with this surname listed in Soufflenheim.

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

geniejom — 2009-10-26 19:29:00Z

From the 1836 census

Cantons of Bischwiller and Haguenau

Soufflenheim
Dite Rue Gubel 67 (street address)

Ignace Gotz, married 38y, potier (potter)
Margaretha Simon, married 35y
Margaretha Gotz, 10y
Michael Gotz, 7y
Catherine Gotz, 4y
Ignace Gotz, 1y
Catherine Burger, widow 67y (mother of the wife) widow Simon
Rosina Gotz, 29y, sister

Married women were listed in their maiden names. This family's religion is listed as "I" (independent)

Re: Lambert Halter

cim4580 — 2009-11-01 05:43:02Z

I am not sure of the region of Alsace that they were from. I know that they settled south of Vincennes, Indiana in 1837, and were rumored to have lived across the Wabash river around St. Francisville, IL before moving to Indiana. How long they lived in Illinois is unknown, or at least to me. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Re: Lambert Halter

cim4580 — 2009-11-02 04:31:25Z

THANKS!!! The last time I looked (been awhile since my wife and I started a family) there was nothing before coming to America. I'm so excited to find out there's more information out there! Especially since it also has his parents and siblings. Thank you so very much for the information! Is there any other information available, or a direction you can point me towards to find more information? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you again!!!

Re: Lambert Halter

cim4580 — 2009-11-02 04:22:47Z

WOW!!! What great news! I had no idea this information existed!!! Thank you so very much! Where were you able to find the information? Is there any other information available, or any direction you can point me towards to further my search? I would LOVE to know more about town/area that he lived, when he married, when he left to America, and his life in general. THANK YOU so very much! Are you perhaps related to the Halter line, or are you one of those kind souls that like to help others out? I feel I owe you one!

Re: Albert Schweitzer ascendants

rejane47 — 2009-10-26 17:28:38Z

Sorry, you can have the site in English;
geneastar.geneanet.org
Réjane

Re: Albert Schweitzer ascendants

rejane47 — 2009-10-26 17:22:13Z

Have you tried this site,
www.geneastar.org
Type in recherche: albert Schweitzer; then click Biogarphie
click Ascendance on the left. I'm afraid the biography is in French but you can see and understand the family tree.
Good luck.
Réjane

Emigration Book Lookup

sew_busy67 — 2009-10-31 17:05:22Z

Looking for town in Alsace Christina Vennewald came from.
Emmigrated to U.S.in 1870. b.1846 or 1851

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

langill_1 — 2009-10-25 21:13:31Z

Here is what I have for this family

1. Michael5 Goetz (Ignace4, Michel3, Michael2, Michael1) was born October 11, 1829 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, and died June 15, 1896 in Waterloo Tnsp. Waterloo Co, Ontario. He married (1) Maria Ann Stieger May 02, 1857 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas Rhim, France, daughter of Joseph Stieger and Marie Burger. He married (2) Josephine Martin January 17, 1889 in St Boniface RC Church, Maryhill, Waterloo Co, Ontario.

Notes for Michael Goetz:
added, birth record is in Soufflenheim microfilms

added, marriage is listed in Soufflenheim marriage index

17 Jan. 1889 - Michael Goetz married Josephine Martin daughter of Coelestin Martin & Cath. Kiefer. Witnesses - Anton & Josephine Kurtz.
Priest Rev. Stephen Foerster. Michael Goetz widower of Maria Anna Stieger.

added from mariage of son

family info on family trees at Ancestry.ca

in Waterloo North, Ontario in 1871 census (Maryhill, same district 32 & division 2 as Casimer Goetz)
a mason
Michael Goetz 45
Maria Goetz 45
Cledus Goetz 16
Charles Goetz 11
Philip Goetz 9

he immigrated in 1871

Michael Goetz - died 15 June 1896, buried 17 June 1896. Age. 67 years. Born in Sufflenheim, Alsace. Priest Rev. Joseph Schweitzer.

death certifacte on Ancestry.com
he was a mason

More About Michael Goetz:
Date born 2: 1827, Alsace, Germany

Notes for Maria Ann Stieger:
Daughter of Joseph Steiger & Marie Anne Burger

from Maryhill records: Maria Anna - died 03 Feb. 1887, buried 05 Feb. 1887. Age 59 years. Maiden name Stieger, wife of Michael. Priest Rev. Stephen Foerster

death certificate on Ancestry.ca, Mary Ann Goetz died in Berlin on Feb 3 1887, wife of a mason

Children of Michael Goetz and Maria Stieger are:
2 i. Ignace6 Goetz, born Abt. 1850.

Notes for Ignace Goetz:

death listed on Soufflenheim marriage index
says he is the son of Michael Goetz & Marie Anne Steiger, and the husband of Marguarite Simon....but I have another Michael Goetz as her husband...I think it is a mistake.

3 ii. Marianne Goetz, born 1851 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas Rhin, France; died December 12, 1886 in Toronto, Ont.. She married Francis Huck April 19, 1870 in St Boniface RC Church, Maryhill, Waterloo Co, Ontario.

Notes for Marianne Goetz:
19 April 1870 - Francis Huck son of Francis Huck & Margaretha Gatschine married Marianna Goetz daughter of Michael Goetz &
Marianna Steger. Witnesses - John Zinger, Catharina Huck both of Waterloo Township. Francis Huck was 26 of Waterloo Township, Marianna Goetz was 19 from Waterloo Township and born in Alsace. Rev. Francis Breitkopf.

Maria Anna Huck - died 12 Dec. 1886, buried 15 Dec. 1886. Age 36 years. Maiden name Goetz, daughter of Michael & wife of Francis. Born in Alsace, lived in Toronto. Priest Rev. Stephen Foerster.

4 iii. Adele Goetz, born Abt. 1857; died June 13, 1857 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas-Rhin, France.

Notes for Adele Goetz:
added, death is listed in Soufflenhein death index

+ 5 iv. Cletus Goetz, born May 1857 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France; died in Wisconsin, USA.
6 v. Josephine Goetz, born August 16, 1858 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas-Rhin, France; died September 27, 1858 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas-Rhin, France.

Notes for Josephine Goetz:
added
death is listed in Soufflenheim death index

7 vi. Victoria Goetz, born July 13, 1862 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas-Rhin, France; died September 20, 1862 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, Bas-Rhin, France.

Notes for Victoria Goetz:
death is listed in Soufflenheim death index

+ 8 vii. Charles Henry Goetz, born January 23, 1860 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace; died July 10, 1917 in Weyburn, Saskatchewan.
+ 9 viii. Philip Goetz, born May 01, 1862 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace.
10 ix. Mary Goetz, born 1867 in Waterloo Tnsp. Ontario.

Notes for Mary Goetz:
19 April 1870 - Francis Huck son of Francis Huck & Margaretha Gatschine married Marianna Goetz daughter of Michael Goetz &
Marianna Steger. Witnesses - John Zinger, Catharina Huck both of Waterloo Township. Francis Huck was 26 of Waterloo Township, Marianna Goetz was 19 from Waterloo Township and born in Alsace. Rev. Francis Breitkopf.

Child of Michael Goetz and Josephine Martin is:
11 i. Carolina Katharina6 Goetz, born September 04, 1889 in New Germany, Waterloo Tnsp, Waterloo Co, Ontario.

Notes for Carolina Katharina Goetz:
Carolina Katharina - born 04 Sept. 1889, baptized 15 Sept. 1889.
Sponsors - Anton Kurtz & Carolina Brohmann. Priest Rev. Anton Weiler. Parents from New Germany.

Generation No. 2

5. Cletus6 Goetz (Michael5, Ignace4, Michel3, Michael2, Michael1) was born May 1857 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, and died in Wisconsin, USA. He married Cecilia Kloepfer November 24, 1890 in St Boniface RC Church, Maryhill, Waterloo Co, Ontario.

Notes for Cletus Goetz:
24 Nov. 1890 - Cletus Goetz son of Michael Goetz & Maria Stieger married Caecilia Kloepfer daughter of John Kloepfer &
Maria Bartholomy. Witnesses - Jacob Kloepfer, Monica Kloepfer. Priest Rev. Stephen Foerster. Maria Stieger was deceased.

Children of Cletus Goetz and Cecilia Kloepfer are:
12 i. Minnie7 Goetz, born January 1894 in Wisconsin, USA.
13 ii. Anna Goetz, born March 1895 in Wisconsin, USA.
14 iii. Cecelia Goetz, born August 1896 in Wisconsin, USA.
15 iv. Eddie Goetz, born May 1897 in Wisconsin, USA.

8. Charles Henry6 Goetz (Michael5, Ignace4, Michel3, Michael2, Michael1) was born January 23, 1860 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, and died July 10, 1917 in Weyburn, Saskatchewan. He married Anna Dorthea Rasmussen.

Children of Charles Goetz and Anna Rasmussen are:
16 i. Bernice May7 Goetz, born October 15, 1891 in Cambell, Wilkin, Minnesota, USA; died March 17, 1895 in Cambell, Wilkin, Minnesota, USA.
17 ii. LeRoy Wallace Goetz, born March 15, 1895 in Cambell, Wilkin, Minnesota, USA; died December 26, 1976 in Kelowna, B.C..

Notes for LeRoy Wallace Goetz:
in WW1

18 iii. Harold Irving Goetz, born April 03, 1901 in Cambell, Wilkin, Minnesota, USA; died September 19, 1982 in Beechy, Saskathewan.
19 iv. Marion Estella Goetz, born January 16, 1910 in Weyburn, Saskatchewan; died February 03, 1994 in Weyburn, Saskatchewan. She married Joseph Henry Alton.

9. Philip6 Goetz (Michael5, Ignace4, Michel3, Michael2, Michael1) was born May 01, 1862 in Soufflenheim, Bas-Rhin, Alsace. He married Sarah Glover.

Child of Philip Goetz and Sarah Glover is:
20 i. Charles Henry7 Goetz, born 1894 in York, Ontario. He married Sarah Doran October 07, 1919 in York, Ontario.

Notes for Charles Henry Goetz:
birth & marriage certificates are on-line at Ancestry.ca

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

langill_1 — 2009-10-26 21:10:06Z

Thank you, this is great!

This Ignatz (Ignatius) Goetz of Soufflenheim (September 28, 1797- September 26, 1857) married Marguarite Simon (July 07, 1801- October 28, 1862) on August 09, 1824 in Soufflenheim. They had 9 children in Soufflenheim between 1824-1845.

Ignatz's parents were Michael (Michel) Goetz & Anne Haass. Ignatz's grandparents were Michael (Michel) Goetz & Marie Anne Lofner.

James Mallow of Ohio and wife Elizabeth Duchmann

MeeMa2009 — 2009-10-30 14:52:49Z

Many of the descendants of James Mallow have been seaching for some time for his parentage. James was born in 1795, settled in Ross County, Ohio in the early 1820's. In 1826 he married Elizabeth Duchmann in Pickaway County. He is shown in an 1820 census of Pickaway County, again in 1850 in Ross County and 1860 in Hardin County, where he died and was laid to rest in Wolfcreek Cemetery. His family remains to this day in that county and others across Ohio. If you are a descendant or know of this family, PLEASE contact me at MeeMa2009@gmail.com. We don't believe it was a coincidence that the Mallows of WV settled in Ross County at the precise same time, leaving us with the strong indication that he is from the same branch of Mallow/Mallo line.

Thank you

Re: Lambert Halter

kellycooper27 — 2009-11-01 22:06:44Z

In the 1836 Census of Bischwiller et Haguenau, there is a HALTER, Lambert, male, 32, single Sabotier, Soldat en conge illimite, 107 uartier Vert Rue de Manege in the village of Haguenau

Re: Lambert Halter

rohchar — 2009-11-02 08:23:15Z

HI,

Lambert HALTER appears on the Emigration list 1827-1838
for Haguenau, as family of 2 (prob. Lambert and his wife,
and no child).

See :
genealogy.rohrbacher.net/cim4580/ (2nd page, line 25)

This does't mean he was born in Haguenau, as told in
Cornelia's SCHRADER-MUGGENTHALER Alsace Emigration Book.

An other HALTER family migrated to USA from Birkenwald :
genealogy.rohrbacher.net/rolling as family of 5 (line 5)
could be related.

Charles - not related.

Re: Schwabweiler Family

kenreinbold — 2009-10-29 21:27:33Z

Hi my name is Ken Reinbold and I'm looking for my g.grandfather Jacob Reinbold who I believed lived in Baden and was born abt 1826. He married a woman name Salome who was from Mulhouse Alsace France and she was born abt. 1828. I don't know her last name. They had a son name Emil born abt. 1856 in France. They came to the U.S and can be found on 1870 Illinois census. I would appreciate any information anyone can provide as I'm totally lost at this point. Thank you so much

Ken Reinbold

Re: Alsace Emigration Book Lookup

kenreinbold — 2009-10-29 21:03:28Z

Can you check for the name Reinbold, Jacob. Thanks

Re: Andreas Buettel

smithausx — 2009-11-02 12:23:52Z

Hi,
I don't know about the French-Canadian aspect, but Mr N Buettel's book always gave me the impression that Andreas & his folk were from Alsace Lorraine, certainly much further back they may have roots there, & Andreas may have done part of his military service there. But recent research aided by a german genealogist has found that Andreas & his parents were in Urphar, Wertheim. He made application to emigrate from there. There could be a relationship to another Buettel family who emigrated about mid 1700's to Pensilvania, I think, but have to wait a see what else he finds. I have never found Andreas on the the LDS Hamburg listings, but Margaretha Seubert 26 who was seated next to 18 yo Burkhard Buettel, it's little bit strange. Don't know what happened to him. Leave there for now. LS

Re: Peter and Jacob Mossing

mollyholzrichter — 2009-10-30 15:41:02Z

If you would like to add a Generation 7, there are more of us now.
Molly Ruth6 Gast (Thomas Clement5 Gast, Robert Edwin4, Alma Mary3, Mary2Massing, Anthony1) was born on February 16, 1979, Dayton, OH. She married Robert Holzrichter on July 19, 2003 in Kohler, WI.
More About Molly Ruth Gast:
Occupation: HR Generalist at Kohler Co.
Religion: Catholic

Children of Molly Gast and Rob Holzrichter are:
i. McKenna7 Olivia Holzrichter, born March 7, 2005, in West Allis, WI
ii. Riley Ann Holzrichter, born November 5, 2007, in Sheboygan, WI

In addition, there is an error with a name. Patricia Joan Gast, b. April 20, 1954, Dayton, OH; is married to Denis Mangen, not Denia Mangen.

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

filleh — 2009-10-28 17:19:02Z

Thanks everyone for your help...this is what i came up with with help of a relative i met while doing this.

I beleive the Mary Goetz born in France in 1851 was the older sibling of Cletus(John) born from Marrianne, from a previous marriage, as Micheal and Marrianne were married in 1857.

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.St. Louis County MN Death Index

1925-1949

GOETZ JOHN G 4/12/1929

I think this is John, unfortunately the death falls in between census, he’s not in the 1920 census anywhere….and unfortunately, one has to order the death record to see the rest of the info.

St. Louis County MN Death Index

1950-1974

GOETZ CECELIA THERESA 1/8/1961 26

I don’t see any GOETZ in Minnesota census 1930

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Judging by the records it seems Cletus and Cecelia were close to the rest of the Kloepfer family. Conrad, Minnie and William Kloepfer (Cecelia’s brothers and sisters born in Canada) were in Superior City Douglas Wisconsin at the same time period, according to the 1910 census of Superior City Wisconsin. Most of Cecelia’s other siblings left the Waterloo area for Michigan, and died there.

Minnie Kloepfer married Franklin P. Walter in Superior City 1892. Minnie, Walter son Jean and brother Conrad show up in Duluth Minnesota in the 1920 census. There are WW1 draft records for William and Conrad in 1917 in Superior CIty. Minnie died February 22 1976 Duluth, St Louis, Minnesota, USA.

Some event between 1910 and 1920 prompted Cecelia and her daughter Cecelia Rose to go to Minnesota as well. I assume to be with other Kloepfer family members. I found a record in a Gazetteer in Superior City Wisconsin for Cecilia Goetz, stenographer for a Fitzger brew company. She then went on to marry into the Beerhalter family, don’t know the husbands name. I found death records for her sons and her as well.

Cecelia Kloepfer Goetz died in Saint Louis Duluth Minnesota, and so did her mother Mary.

Name: Jean Earl Walter

Birth Date: 23 Mar 1900

Death Date: 21 Oct 1963

Death County: Saint Louis

Mother's Maiden Name: Kloepfer

State File Number: 034092

Certificate Number: 034092

Certificate Year: 1963

Record Number: 1548963

Name: William Allouze Kloepfer

Birth Date: 29 Jun 1893

Death Date: 9 Apr 1993

Death County: Saint Louis

Mother's Maiden Name: Bartholemy

State File Number: 011409

Certificate Number: 011409

Certificate Year: 1993

Record Number: 2460829

Name: Cecelia Theresa Goetz

Birth Date: 17 Nov 1871

Death Date: 8 Jan 1961

Death County: Saint Louis

Mother's Maiden Name: Barthalome

State File Number: 031549

Certificate Number: 031549

Certificate Year: 1961

Record Number: 1455864

Name: Cecelia Rose Beerhalter

Birth Date: 14 Mar 1896

Death Date: 29 Jul 1987

Death County: Saint Louis

Mother's Maiden Name: Kloepfer

State File Number: 019259

Certificate Number: 019259

Certificate Year: 1987

Record Number: 2257675

Name: Richard E. Beerhalter

Birth Date: 23 Nov 1924

Death Date: 4 Oct 1971

Death County: Saint Louis

Mother's Maiden Name: Goetz

State File Number: 027931

Certificate Number: 027931

Certificate Year: 1971

Record Number: 1825008

Name: Robert John Beerhalter

Birth Date: 14 Jul 1932

Death Date: 25 Nov 1993

Death County: Saint Louis

Mother's Maiden Name: Goetz

State File Number: 035174

Certificate Number: 035174

Certificate Year: 1993

Record Number: 2483369

****Also I found a protected family history for Cletus Goetz born 1855 Alsace, I have sent them an email to see if they will share, this really has me interested.

In Mary Hill Waterloo Ontario, they still have all the town, church, school and naturalization records, probably in german, someday I’m going to make a visit, they should have some history of our Goetz/Gates line.

This is from a Alsace census for Soufflenheim in 1836(in German)

Dite Rue Gubel 67, Souffleheim 1836 census I = no religion or
independent

Gotz, Ignace, m, 38, I, occupation: Potier
Simon, Margaretha (Marguarite in French), f, 35, I
Gotz, Micheal ,7
Gotz, Catharina, 4
Ignace, 1
Burger, Catharina, 67, the widow Simon, mother of Margaretha
Gotz, Rosina, 29, sister

Household at
Dite Gentzeck 148, Souffleheim

Joseph Stieger, married 42y, macon (mason)
Maria Anna Burger, married, 43y
Theresa, f, 13y
Josephine, f, 11y
Marie Anna, f 9y
Charles, m 7y

Marriage 1857.

GOETZ
1857-May-2
Michel Goetz
Marie Anne Steiger
Son of Ignace Goetz & Marguarite Simon
Daughter of Joseph Steiger & Marie Anne Burger
5
#9

From Soufflenheim, Alsace, France.

1 Ignace GOETZ b: 28 SEP 1797 d: 1857-Sep-26

+ Marguarite SIMON b: 7 JUL 1801 d: 28 OCT 1862

2 Martin GOETZ b: 16 NOV 1824 d: 27 NOV 1824

2 Marguarite GOETZ b: 18 OCT 1826 d: UNKNOWN

2 Michel GOETZ b: 11 OCT 1829 d: UNKNOWN

+ Marie Anne STIEGER b: 12 AUG 1827 d: UNKNOWN

3 Josephine GOETZ b: 16 AUG 1858 d: 1858-Sep-27

3 Charles GOETZ b: 23 JAN 1860 d: UNKNOWN

3 Philippe GOETZ b: 1 MAY 1861 d: UNKNOWN

3 Victor GOETZ b: 13 JUL 1862 d: UNKNOWN

2 Catherine GOETZ b: 24 FEB 1833 d: 7 MAR 1870

2 Ignace GOETZ b: 17 DEC 1835 d: UNKNOWN

+ Reine UHRICH b: 2 SEP 1835 d: UNKNOWN

3 Josephine GOETZ b: 20 NOV 1856 d: UNKNOWN

3 Melanie GOETZ b: 8 AUG 1858 d: UNKNOWN

3 Therese GOETZ b: 15 DEC 1859 d: UNKNOWN

3 Marie Anne GOETZ b: 19 JUN 1861 d: UNKNOWN

3 Melanie GOETZ b: 25 SEP 1866 d: UNKNOWN

2 Martin GOETZ b: 25 OCT 1839 d: 6 NOV 1839

2 Gertrude GOETZ b: 17 NOV 1840 d: UNKNOWN

2 Joseph GOETZ b: 2 SEP 1845 d: UNKNOWN

The Micheal Goetz Family from above.

 ID: I07591

 Name: Marie Anne STIEGER

 Sex: F

 Birth: 12 AUG 1827 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, France 1

 Death: UNKNOWN

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

*Chetus STEIGER b: 1854

Marriage 2 Michel GOETZ b: 11 OCT 1829

Married: 2 MAY 1857 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, France 2
Children

Josephine GOETZ b: 16 AUG 1858 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, France died in Sept 1858
Charles GOETZ b: 23 JAN 1860
Philippe GOETZ b: 1 MAY 1861 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, France
Victor GOETZ b: 13 JUL 1862 in Soufflenheim, Alsace, France
Sources:

Title: Fam. Hist. Lib.-Mormon Fam. Hist. Cent. Film #0740025 Soufflenheim Birth 1813-1832
Repository:
Media: Book
Title: Fam. Hist. Lib.-Mormon Fam. Hist. Cent. Film #0740029 Soufflenheim marriage 1833-1871
Repository:
Media: Book

On to the CANADA connections, they migrated to Waterloo around 1865-66 according to the census.

I went to the Archives of Canada and looked at the microfiche for the Michael Goetz family in the 1871 census.

The family members listed with him are:

Michael Goetz, 45 Mason

Maria Goetz, 45

Cledus Goetz, 16

Charles Goetz, 11

Philip Goetz, 9

*** no Mary she may have migrated here later

All from France

*Cledus, was the son of Marie Anne Steiger, before the marriage to Michael Goetz and came with the family to Canada…of course!.

In the 1881 census supplied by the LDS family centre on the web, they are listed as GOLTZ.

Household:

Name
Marital Status
Gender
Ethnic Origin
Age
Birthplace
Occupation
Religion

Michael GOLTZ
M
Male
French
51
France
Mason
Catholic

Maryan GOLTZ
M
Female
French
53
France

Catholic

Philip GOLTZ

Male
French
19
France
Laborer
Catholic

Interesting to note that Charles Henry and Cletus had left.

Cletus Gates(Goetz)

I have a copy of a marriage certificate of November 24th 1890, Cletus 34 married Caicilia Kloepfer 19 of Bruce County, Waterloo, lists Michael Goetz, Mason as the father.

Cecilia is the daughter of John Kloepfer Born: 1844 Died: 1835-1937 and Mary Ann Bartholomy Born: August 26, 1850 in Ontario, Canada m: March 05, 1870 in Formosa, Bruce, Ontario, Canada Died: November 24, 1921 in Saint Louis, Duluth, Minnesota..

John is the descendent of Monika Winter Born: 1817 in Moos/Buhl Germany Died: 1877 in Ontario, Canada and Jacob Kloepfer Born: February 12, 1808 in Moos/Buhl Germany m: July 22, 1840 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York Died: December 13, 1885 in Maryhill, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.

The Jacob Kloepfer family is listed next to the Goetz family on the 1871 and 1881 Canada census. Neighbours!!!!

This is the John (Cletus?) and Cecilia Gates listed in the 1900/ and 1910 census of Douglas Wisconsin. Superior City

1900 Census (LDS family search site) They were listed under GOETY, which is good because it confirms Goetz – Gates name change.

Enumerated 7 day of June 1900

John Goetz b May 1858, 42, years married 10, France, year of immigration 1862, years in USA 38, brick layer

Cecilia, b May 1870, 29, years married 10, German Canada, year of immigration 1889, years in USA 11,

Minnie, b Jan 1894, 6, Wisconsin, at school 9 months

Annie, b Mar 1895, 5, Wisconsin

Cecilia, b Aug 1896, 3, Wisconsin

Eddie, b May 1898, age 2, Wisconsin

1910 Census (Ancestry.com)

John Gates, *49, b France, years of marriage, 19, year of Immigration to the US, 1875, bricklayer….calculated birth year 1861, Marriage year 1891

Cecilia Gates, *39, b Canada, years of marriage, 19, year of Immigration to the US, 1876….calculated birth year 1871

Minnie, *17, Wisconsin ….calculated birth year 1893

Anna, *15, Wisconsin ….calculated birth year 1895

Cecilia, *14, Wisconsin ….calculated birth year 1896

Edward, *13, Wisconsin ….calculated birth year 1897

*age at last birthday

I haven’t seen the 1891 census to see if Michael is on it, however Mary Goetz died on February 3rd 1887, age 59 years(should be 69) and Michael Goetz died on June 15th 1896, age 67 years old. I have copies of the death certificates.

Philip Gates(Goetz) my GG grandfather

In the 1901 Census supplied by http://automatedgenealogy.com/ shows Philip and Sarah(Glover)Gates, with their son Charles Henry.

I’m not sure where or when Sarah and Philip married, it was said they met and married in Philadelphia, but I haven’t any proof of that. The census shows that Philip arrived in 1868 and was naturalized in 1884. The census shows that Sarah arrived in 1886.

28

15
Gates Philip
M

Head
M
May 1
1862
38

29

15
Gates Sarah
F

Wife
M
Aug 5
1859
41

* 30

15
Gates Charles
M

Son
S
Apr 17
1894
6

Links

*Charles’s birth certificate has the birth date of April 17th 1895.

Charles and Sarah Doran (Belfast Ireland) married on 7th October 1919 in Toronto.

I have copies of Sarah and Philip’s death certificates, on Philip’s it mentions his father as Michael of Alsace. It also mentions Philipe was in this country 62 years and was 68 when he died in January 4th 1828. He was a janitor for the CNR at the time.

Charles Henry Gates(Goetz)

In the image of the 12th census of the USA for Wilkin, Village of Campbell Minnesota, I see the family of Charles Gates.

Charles b Jan 1862, age 39, France, number of years married 9, Immigration year 1880, number of years in United States =20, Naturalized = yes

Anna b Sept 1869, age 30, Denmark, number of years married 9, mother of 2 children,1 living, Immigration year 1873, of years in United States =27, Naturalized = yes

L.W. b March 1895, age 5, Minnesota

In the 1906 and 1911 census, I see the family of Charles Henry the brother of Philip listed. Charles and family came from Minnesota in 1904, so they are not in the 1901 census of Canada. In the 1906 census, it mentions the year of arrival from France was 1865.

1
1
Gates Chas. H.
Head
M
M
44
Links

2
1
Gates Anna
Wife
F
M
36
Links

3
1
Gates Roy Walace
Son
M
S
11
Links

4
1
Gates Harold Irving
Son
M
S
5
Links

5

2
Gates Charles H

M
Head
M
Jan
1861
49
Links

6

2
Gates Anna D

F
Wife
M
Sep
1869
41
Links

7

2
Gates Leroy W

M
Son
S
Mar
1895
16
Links

8

2
Gates Harold I

M
Son
S
Apr
1901
10
Links

9

2
Gates Marrian

F
Daughter
S
Jan
1910
1

Based on the names and dates, I’m convinced that this is my mother’s(and my) family line.

Goetz
Adele
1857-Jun-13
20
Daughter of Michael Goetz & Marie Anne Steiger
1B

Goetz
Josephine
1858-Sep-27
56
Daughter of Michael Goetz & Marie Anne Steiger
1B

Goetz
Victorie
1862-Sep-20
48
Daughter of Michael Goetz & Marie Anne Steiger
1B

Source http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fraalsac/souffdeath/deathf...

Soufflenheim Baptism Index, 1748-1793
Soufflenheim Marriage Index, 1743-1882

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

filleh — 2009-10-25 23:53:05Z

Excellant, thanks very much, there some information i didn't know.wow

Phil

Re: Beinheim, Schwabweiler, Alsace Germany

mawag25 — 2009-10-30 06:37:54Z

In the 1836 census of Schwabwiller, Alsace, France, there were 4 Joseph REINBOLT :
Joseph 9 years, son of Ignace Reinbolt 52 and Genevieve Mosser 47
Joseph 16 years, son of Jean Reinbolt 45 and Genevieve Bachmann 48
Joseph 11 years, son of Jean Reinbolt 45 and Genevieve Bauer 34
Joseph 18 years, son of Michel reinbolt 43 and Catherine Seiler 43

Re: Andreas Buettel

gardengarden — 2009-11-02 11:27:06Z

My Mother, Andreas Buettel's great grand daughter always said he was French Canadian. I don't know if this helps.

Walther

ShariCygan — 2009-10-29 02:19:48Z

My Walther ancestors are said to have escaped France into Germany.
Does anyone know if their surname could have been changed to "Germanize" it and what the French name could have been?

Fruth

ShariCygan — 2009-10-29 02:19:09Z

My Fruth ancestors escaped France into Germany by hiding under a load of manure in a wagon.
Can anyone tell me if FRUTH is a French name or if it has been changed?

Re: Lambert Halter

mervburgard — 2009-11-02 06:53:01Z

I realize that you have some of this, but ...

You might check with your local LDS for BMD records for Birkenwald.

Review the possible locales in Alsace here:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fraalsac/alsaceaz/
See, for example the part on Birkenwald showing that most families were Catholic.

A lot of information on this family in Indiana is here
http://halterfamily.com/lambert_halter_i.htm

More here including information from the Alsace Emigration book:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...

They are also mentioned in this boo:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/o/l/s/Richard-O-O...

Some Halter-Ruppel families:
http://members.fortunecity.com/johndmcmullen/RuppelFamily.ht...

Good luck with your research.

Merv - NOT related.

Re: Lambert Halter

mervburgard — 2009-11-01 17:41:18Z

LDS shows a Lambert Halter born Nov 22, 1804, Birkenwald, BasRhin Alsace with his parents and siblings.
Merv.

Re: GOETZ - GATES Alsace Lorraine - Philadelphia - Toronto

mervburgard — 2009-10-26 23:23:31Z

IF you haven’t seen these

Baptisms
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fraalsac/souffbapt/index.h...

Deaths
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fraalsac/souffdeath/deatha...

Emigration
http://members.cox.net/smithgen/places/souff/emig.htm

Merv.

Re: LANG of Durmenach and Ribeauville

mervburgard — 2009-10-26 19:27:26Z

IF you don’t have these already.

This census may be useful:
http://www.genami.org/en/lists/alsace/census-1784.php

Your Lang family here:
http://www.farhi.org/genealogy/index.html

Several articles online such as this one may be helpful:
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=h....

Good luck searching.
Merv.