Hordaland - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Birth of Lars Larsen

Klknight796259 — 2013-05-03 01:48:15Z

Thank you for the clarification - I've seen some of the variations of the other names you spoke of...learn a little more each day!

Re: Birth of Lars Larsen

BrianGaber — 2013-05-02 18:29:03Z

The "d" in Peder is almost like a silent letter. It is very common to see the spelling variations between the names "Peder", "Per" or "Peer". It is definately the same Person, just a spelling Variation on the Name. Personally, I would use "Peder" and "Pedersen", as that is what appears in the written records. Basically, you can just pick the spelling you prefer and stick with it. You will see the same Problems with names like "Amund - Omund - Ommund - Åmund" or "Ingebret - Ingebrigt - Ingebricht - Engebret" etc.

Brian

Re: Birth of Lars Larsen

Klknight796259 — 2013-05-02 17:54:50Z

Brian - a quick question. The info. you provided coincides with the farm history, with the exception that the farm history shows Lars Person vs Lars Pederson and father Per Person instead of Peder Pederson. The dates all coincide, however. I would assume the church/census records are more accurate on the exact name?

While experienced in geneology research, I'm new to the Norwegian stuff; hence my question.

Re: Birth of Lars Larsen

BrianGaber — 2013-05-02 03:44:15Z

Your welcome, Kathy. I have had the experience that the farm history books are good sources to tell you where to look, but contain many errors. Always try to verify the data with orinal records if possible.

In the Bygdebok for Kinsarvik, I found that my great-grandmother Iverdina and her sister Anne had been combined into one Person named "Dina Anne", and her birth year was off by three years!

Brian

Re: Birth of Lars Larsen

Klknight796259 — 2013-05-01 18:04:30Z

Thank you Brian.

I appreciate the time you spent helping with this. I will compare this info. to what I had from the Fresvik farm history for consistency.

Kathy

1801 Census - Fredsvig

BrianGaber — 2013-05-01 08:29:08Z

Here is your Lars Pederssen with his parents and siblings in 1801:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

Birth of Lars Pedersen

BrianGaber — 2013-05-01 08:27:58Z

Right side, 2nd from top

Lars, born at Fresviig 10 May 1878. Son of Peder Pedersen and Gunnilda Jørgensdatter. Baptized 13 May. Sponsors: Samson Larsen Fresviig,Samson Pedersen Fresviig, Peder Larsen Fresviig, Gunnild Larsdatter Fresviig, Marie Samsonsdatter Fresviig.

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Ullensvang i Ullensvang, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 /1 (1758-1788), Fødte og døpte 1787, side 150.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11714&...

Death of Lars Pedersen

BrianGaber — 2013-05-01 08:05:16Z

Lars Pedersen died at Digranes on 24 Nov 1871. This record lists his date of birth as 10 May 1787.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

1865 Census - Lars Pedersen

BrianGaber — 2013-05-01 08:01:08Z

The Family is still at the farm "Digernes" in 1865:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

As you can see, Lars Pedersen was born ca. 1786, and his wife, Anne Guttormsdatter, was born ca. 1798.

Birth of Lars Larsen

BrianGaber — 2013-05-01 07:49:12Z

#7
Born 25 Jan 1834
Lars Larsen
Father: Lars Pedersen
Mother: Anne Guttormsdatter
Residence: Digrenæs

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Ullensvang, Ministerialbok nr. A 10 (1825-1853), Fødte og døpte 1834, side 35.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11718&...

Re: Fresvik query

Klknight796259 — 2013-05-01 03:03:54Z

Born 1834 and later resident Skjeldas and Apold farms.

Re: Fresvik query

thoraway — 2013-04-18 19:34:58Z

That family and the information regarding them (primary sources and secondary sources) are mentioned in the earlier query thread here -
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.unkno...

The church records are easily available online and the books are readily available on LDS microfilm which can be used at any of their LDS Family History Centers. Ullensvang and Odda in Hordaland are very well documented.

Re: Fresvik query

BrianGaber — 2013-04-18 03:08:36Z

You need to narrow down the time frame for when he was born. Just giving a century is pretty vague.

Fresvik query

klknight — 2013-04-18 00:59:08Z

Our ancestor Lars Larson was born to Lars Person from Fresvik in 1800s. We are trying to find family info and ancestry for Lars Person. Can anyone help?

Fresvik query

klknight — 2013-04-18 00:59:06Z

Our ancestor Lars Larson was born to Lars Person from Fresvik in 1800s. We are trying to find family info and ancestry for Lars Person. Can anyone help?

Re: Skanevik, Norway Ancestors

radd7288 — 2013-04-13 01:49:46Z

Argyl Askelson was a neighbor in Moscow, MN years ago.
Do you think he is related? My husband has relatives from
Skanevik , Thor Haldorson from 1800's, looking for relatives
there.. He is Roger Danielson.
Let me know

Re: William Olson Norekval Voss

lenzoarlene344 — 2013-04-10 19:50:24Z

Visit the Vosselag site for great info

Re: Marriage

lenzoarlene344 — 2013-04-09 19:43:53Z

Thanks for the info and I found the bygdebok for voss online and they are in the Ullstad part under olde so it should be easier to track back now...The americanized the names at the time of departure and no one in the family has had the correct norwegian info.

Marriage

BrianGaber — 2013-04-09 19:20:17Z

#20
Married 12 Jun 1845 in Voss

bachelor, Wiking Olsen Olde, 23 yrs old, born at Olde, residing at Gavle

maiden, Inger Mikkelsdatter Gerald, 23 yrs old, born at Gerald, daughter of Mikkel Baarsen.

I am not sure of the farm name for Inger. It looks like "Gerald", which must be the farm "Gjerald".

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Voss, Ministerialbok nr. A 13 (1836-1851), Ekteviede 1845, side 191.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11773&...

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You said in your fist post that Inger was the daughter of "Cynthia Michaelsen", born 1794. Cynthia is not a Norwegian name, and Michaelsen is most probably not her actual last name, bit taken from her husband's first name.

This is the birth record for Inger:

#7 (right page)
Born 6 Jan 1823 in Voss
Inger
Father: Mikkel Baarsen Gierald
Mother: Syneva Svendsdatter

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Voss, Ministerialbok nr. A 11 (1816-1827), Fødte og døpte 1823, side 91.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11771&...

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This means Syneva would have to have been ca. 7 years old in the 1801 census to macth your "Cynthia Michaelson". I believe this is her, living at Gjerald in 1801:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

Re: William Olson Norekval Voss

thoraway — 2013-04-09 15:31:53Z

Sounds like you are on your way to useful research. I'm glad I could help get you started. It is always remarkable how drastically people changed their names -- I have family lines that did the same thing... others were fanatics about spelling exactness their entire lives. Keeps it interesting.

Enjoy!!

Re: William Olson Norekval Voss

lenzoarlene344 — 2013-04-09 14:23:04Z

Yes.this looks right...Viking Olson and Inger Michaelsdatter. There were 2 Swidens in the area..the one I'm interested in married Bessie Olson(daughter of Hans Olson Nigard and Gjertrud Halvorsdatter...born 3/18/1862 Sd although the records list 1863.married 7/5/1886 in Chickaswaw Co Iowa. No one has been able to trace William or Inger and now with the addition of the name Viking more info may be forthcoming. The reason I came up with Voss is Swiden's brother Michael's obit said Voss and his(Swiden) Ancestry.com records say Noreg so I put the 2 together and you have helped find this info. Thank you Nordmenne in Iowa(Digital Archives) has the family in Iowa 1880

Re: William Olson Norekval Voss

thoraway — 2013-04-09 13:33:06Z

I'm looking for one member of the family that I can "get a handle on". A likely one appears to be "Swinden" (you gave no indication of sex).

Can I assume "Swinden" was a male? Born about 1859 probably in the Voss area of Hordaland, Norway and left Norway in the early 1860s.
Would this be the same "Swinden" as shown getting married 1882 in Clarion, Wright Co. Iowa? (source: familysearch.org)
In Sanborn Co. SD in 1900 census? (says birth was Oct 1860)
In Marshall Co. SD in 1905 and thereafter?

He is always listed as an Olsen/Olson or Olesen/Oleson.

I think he was originally named SVEIN born 7 Oct 1859 on one of the Olde farms in Vangen parish area of Voss. His parents were Viking Olsen and Inger Mikkelsdatter.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8323&i...

The family emigrated from Norway in 1862 --
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbas...

That's my best guess.

Re: William Olson Norekval Voss

thoraway — 2013-04-09 11:54:11Z

More family spellings? Some of those appear to have been quite drastically "Americanized". What they were originally may turn out to be quite a shock to you.

Did some family member long ago do a family tree using these spellings? Did they mention any specific locations in Voss?

A son named Michael born 1856 married a woman named Tone in Norway but he emigrated with parents in 1862 or 1863? He left Norway when he was just a small child... something is wrong with that info.

Re: William Olson Norekval Voss

lenzoarlene344 — 2013-04-09 02:37:35Z

Last name for Tone is Johnson

William Olson Norekval Voss

lenzoarlene344 — 2013-04-09 01:54:41Z

Looking for info on William Olson Norekval from Voss.Born 1823 m to Inger(no last name given...her mother born 1794 Cynthia Michaelsen immigrated with them in 1862/63. Children Swiden(1859) and Michael(1856) m in Norway to Tone? Inger(1863) Wis and Lizzie(1865) Wisc and Mary(1870) Iowa.

Re: FRIIS Family

thoraway — 2013-03-24 01:31:07Z

Their marriage record was indexed and is part of the collection online in the free databases of familysearch.org

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FK3B-P24

Re: FRIIS Family

hageal — 2013-03-24 00:35:31Z

My wife is a descendant of Christiana FRIIS and Angus Nielsen DAHL b 1802 in Jels Parish, Denmark, m 20/02/1836 Sommerstad Parish, DENMARK. They had seven children, some of whom migrated to Queensland, Australia. Can you place Christiana in your research?

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-11 05:57:25Z

I can't believe it took me a few years to post on this board. I really wasn't expecting so much help. Thank you both!! I'm sure I will be back with more.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

thoraway — 2013-03-09 13:31:01Z

HA HA HA. I'm an American born in the upper mid-west to parents who always told us kids that we were "100% Norwegian".

Tracking my family has been my hobby and I've been fortunate enough to have been shown the ropes by some of the best. I've studied and I've practiced. I also enjoy teaching others how to find their own family history - especially Norwegian heritage.

Now about that 100% Norwegian... Mom and Dad would have been shocked to know I've discovered at LEAST two Danes, one Scot and possibly a Swede in the family gene pool... way way back when, but in a mix with the hundreds and hundreds of other direct ancestors I'm still probably "99%".

My instinct tells me that the clues pointing to Klepp, Rogaland are probably right. I think you'll enjoy that - a bygdebok is always exciting to get hold of -- even those that were not done very well. Just make sure you already have a good Norwegian-English dictionary.

My curiosity struck again - I know nothing of Gulen area and little of Klepp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Gulen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klepp

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-09 08:57:43Z

Are you Norwegian? How do you know so much?

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-09 08:56:04Z

Fascinating. I was about to ask you how to best determine Hansine's father's name and background. And you answered my question before I even asked.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

thoraway — 2013-03-09 01:59:23Z

I'm interested in Hansine's father, Eiviend Anfinsen (spelling taken from her birth record). Her birth lists him as a bachelor (Ungk.), puts his birth as 1869 and then also lists that he is from what looks like 'Kleps P.' or 'Klæpo Pr.'

I'm wondering if that is indicating that he is from Klepp Prestegjeld (clerical district) which is located much further south in Rogaland, Norway.

I checked the Gulen 1869 birth records and didn't find him born there. But when I looked in the 1875 Norwegian census I got lucky - Klepp, Rogaland is included in that incomplete database. Look at Even Anfinsen --
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&...

Let's look at the Klepp area -
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/rogaland.html

It is obviously coastal and as one of the younger of several sons he wouldn't have inherited his father's farm - he could have taken to the sea.

It is an interesting possibility and it would expand your area of future research to an entirely different part of Norway.

Klepp is one of the parts of Norway which has a published history/genealogy book -- a bygdebok. Gulen doesn't so I didn't mention them.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/bygdebok.html

So I've offered some pure speculation... giving you food for thought.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

thoraway — 2013-03-09 00:21:18Z

There are many online resources for Norway and many online pages to help you learn about various topics and how to do your research. I love to teach - when you want to learn something - ask. I'll sure try... and I'll try to do that without doing all the easy finds before you get a chance.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-08 22:58:00Z

Great - I'm learning!

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-08 22:56:59Z

Thank you again!

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-08 22:55:56Z

Thank you for all the valuable information! Since both of my parents come from Norwegian lineage and by DNA testing, I'm at least 99% of Norwegian descent, this should be most helpful.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

thoraway — 2013-03-08 10:54:37Z

I first thought you were talking about moving about using the scanned Norwegian church records. Now I'm wondering if you were dealing with Digitalarkivet databases... hmmm.

Well someone put together a webpage with helpful advice about using the Digitalarkivet databases --

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.htm...

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

thoraway — 2013-03-08 10:51:14Z

Perhaps some of these might help.

http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm

The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&a...
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].

Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html

For the protection of privacy, there are limits for how recent church records can be published:

- Birth and baptism records up to and including 1929
- Confirmation records up to and including 1934
- Marriage and banns records - no limits
- Civil marriage up to and including 1950
- Death, burial and stillbirth records up to and including 1930
- Migration records - no limits
- Joins and leavings of the State Church up to and including 1950
- Records about dissenters up to and including 1950

If you cross these limits while browsing a register or a list, you will not see the digitised image, but a message informing you that the image cannot be displayed.

When you've studied and used the instructions and been able to find a scanned page on the Digitalarkivet that you'd like to capture as a URL to share with someone else or save for your family history documentation - just copying the URL that your browser shows will NOT provide a working link for longer than about 1/2 an hour -- it only works very temporarily.

Working direct links to the scanned images on the Digitalarkivet can be copied and pasted from the desired page from a display option available. At the top of the scanned image page is an option labeled "Bildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Image Information"[English version] which is by default set to "Ingen" [Norwegian version]/"None" [English version]. Change that and magic is available. Of the three options I like "Øverst" [Norwegian version]/"On top" [English version] because it puts the additional information across the top of the page and is usually easier for me to see.

The first line "Kildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Source information" [English version] is a really nice summary of the source of the information and is wonderful to have for making detailed source citations, footnotes, etc.

The second line "Permanent sidelenke:" [Norwegian version]/"Permanent pagelink" [English version] is the best line to capture if you want to save the exact URL location or share the actual scanned image and the source information. It allows the full capabilities for zooming in and out to best view the image and informs the recipient of the exact location, book and other details to be able to find WHERE you found the information.

The third line "Permanent bildelenke:" [Norwegian version]/"Permanent imagelink" [English version] is the best used to print a copy of the image or to save a copy of the image in a jpg format computer file. This line does NOT also capture the source information and therefore is NOT the best line to copy to share online when requesting help or assistance in deciphering the image found.

Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

BrianGaber — 2013-03-08 06:16:45Z

Here is a better link for Hans Monsen Henriksbø leaving for America on 14 Mar 1888:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

He returnd to Norway, then left for America again on 13 Jzl 1891.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

BrianGaber — 2013-03-08 06:10:41Z

Yes, you have the correct date!

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-07 19:51:18Z

I don't know how to get to the top half of the list or to the 1888 listings. I need to learn what some of the Norwegian words mean so I can move through records.
Thanks

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-07 19:35:13Z

You are good at this and I'm learning quickly. Thank you. I determined that Dorthea was born 26 Sep 1831. Did I read that correctly?

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

BrianGaber — 2013-03-07 18:45:20Z

I did check, her father's was indeed Otte Johannesen:

Birth #42

Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Gulen, Ministerialbok nr. A 19 (1826-1836), Fødte og døpte kvinner 1831, side 79.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11451&...

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-07 18:17:51Z

Thank you for the correction. The information I had was based on information a deceased aunt had passed on. She had visited Norway doing research for many families in a South Dakota town. She also published some books about their struggles when they first came from Norway. However her research was done in the 1970's before the internet and personal computers. Also, back then she would never add information that would cause embarrassment (e.g., born out of wedlock). I'm more interested in the truth.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-07 18:10:16Z

Thank you for the information and the rapid reply. I am most grateful.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-07 18:08:41Z

Thank you so very much! I was so happy to see such quick response and such useful information. I wish I had done it sooner. Again, thank you and I will follow your recommendations.

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

BrianGaber — 2013-03-07 14:46:25Z

You have the wrong last name for Oline's mother. According to the birth recordes for both Oline and Hans, her last name was "Ottesdatter". Possibly her father's full name was "Otte Johannesen", that should be checked.

Here is the family in the 1865 census:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

BrianGaber — 2013-03-07 14:38:29Z

Oline Monsdatter Henriksbø left Bergen for America on
21 Feb 1894.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

If you look at the top half of the list, you will see that Oline's brother, Hans Monsen, left on 14 Mar 1888.

His birth (6 Dec 1862) is #3:

Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Gulen, Ministerialbok nr. A 22 (1859-1869), Fødte og døpte menn 1863, side 24.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8392&i...

Re: Oline Monson Henriksbo

thoraway — 2013-03-07 12:19:18Z

The emigrant register for the city/port of Bergen shows Hansine leaving that port on or about 22 Jun 1900.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

The record shows her to be from Gulen district in Sogn og Fjordane, Norway. Sogn og Fjordane is the province/county (fylke) which lies to the north of Bergen and Hordaland.

The record also lists her father's given name in the Norwegian tradition of patronymic naming (Eiven or similar).

Gulen parish records are where you would look to find vital records of the girl's birth and therefore info about her parentage. Those are also online for free use.
Hansine was born out of wedlock -- see record #10 on the bottom half of these pages (reserved for female births).
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1990&i...

Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm

Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html

The 1865 Norwegian census shows Hansine's grandparents living on the Henriksbø farm in Gulen, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway and should lead to you to other avenues for research.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&...

Oline Monson Henriksbo

ellen2sl — 2013-03-07 10:01:47Z

I'm looking for any information about my grandmother's family. I have very little information. Her name was Hansine (Sena) Monson born March 15, 1888 in Bergen(?), Norway and later joined her mother in Glenwood, Minnesota USA in about 1900 when she was 12. Her mother was Oline Monson Henriksbo, born Jan. 15, 1866, daughter of Mons Hanson Henriksbo and Dorothea Serene Shelrop Johannesson. Oline left Bergen for America in ~1894 and married a widower, Hans Brosvik. I heard that Hansine's father was a Norwegian sailor who either drowned at sea or went to Pennsylvania, USA.