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Re: Birin and Strosh from Latvia

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-05-10 07:30:26Z

Please, contact me at mplijewa@mail.ru

I have questions.

Marina

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

DanleyRoots — 2013-04-29 03:54:22Z

Halpark,
Hello and thank you for the reasoned suggestion. Am guessing the dastelefonbuch is online?
Have a super day, Bob

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-04-27 17:56:34Z

Bob, Your great grandfather Martin Krushat immigrated to Wisconsin in 1892 with wife (Augusta Meyer 1864-1925) and family. Can You tell his childrens names?

Marina

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-04-27 08:28:16Z

Bob, I tried long to find your Martin Kruschat's traces and came to the following conclusions.
1 . In Riga lived, really, people by last name Kruschat.
2 . Them was very little.
3 . Most likely, they were not local as Kruschat much was in Prussia, in particular to Memel, from where someone from them could get to Riga.
4 . At the beginning of the 20th century only one family Kruschat lived in Riga .
5 . Among germans immigrants from Riga to Poland, and then to Germany in 1939 there is no person by last name Kruschat.
6 . Those Kruschat, which live today in Germany, most likely, are descendants Prussians Kruschat.

Best regards,

Marina

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

halpark — 2013-04-26 16:24:22Z

Hope the idea brings up something. Google "dastelefonbuch" -I think they have an English version but if not simply put in Kruschat on the Wo/Wer line, it will bring up all the entries - the non-commercial numbers are under Privat Treffer. I know of folk who have tried this line of investigation and found it useful. You could also Google things like Baltic Germans - Baltische Deutsche refugees - you would get a lot of links and possibly some information which could help you. Good luck. Just realised I may have been a little patronising in assuming you do not speak German - apologies!

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

halpark — 2013-04-26 11:19:03Z

I would make another suggestion. The wife's name was Augusta Meyer, sounds much more German than Latvian. Perhaps these people were Baltic Germans? No entries for Krushat in the Latvian telephone directory that I can see (could be wrong!) but in dastelefonbuch there are 25 private entries for Kruschat. Baltic Germans were expelled from Latvia after WW2 most of them re-settling in Germany, spelling Kruschat without the "c" would simplify things in an English speaking country. Why not try a few polite letters to some of the Kruschats asking if they are of Baltic German extraction? Would not cost much, worst that can happen is no reply and it just might give a lead on the name and where your ancestors came from. After all, if you do not know where the answer is - it could be anywhere! Just a suggestion - Good luck.

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

DanleyRoots — 2013-04-20 13:07:10Z

Marina,
Hello and thank you for noting and replying to my post. So, am I confident that Martin was born directly in Riga, NO. My guess would be somewhere in the area. Where exactly...well have been debating on who and how this question could be answered. Do you have any ideas or information?
Thank you, Bob

Re: Looking for family members from Riga, Latvia

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-04-19 23:36:09Z

Hi!

I have information for You. please, comtact me via email.

Marina

Re: Krushat surname...possibly from Riga

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-04-19 17:45:45Z

Hi Bob!

Are You confident, that Martin was born in Riga?

Marina

Re: Latvian Ancestors

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-04-19 14:06:23Z

Hi!
Write how called all known relatives, when they were born/

Marina

Re: Latvian Ancestors

gillian_68 — 2013-04-19 10:13:21Z

Hi...my name is Gillian osling (this surname has changed over the years after my g-g-grand father settled here in Wales as a merchant seaman from Latvia in the 1880's)..I am lead to believe that my family does lead back to Ozolin/Oslolin...we have much to discuss by the look of it...look forward to hearing from you...Regards...Gillian

Re: Latvian Ancestors

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Latvian Ancestors

hawksgirl101 — 2013-04-18 08:56:47Z

Does anyone on here know how I can research my Latvian ancestors? Both my parents came out to Australia after WW2, my dad left family behind in Leipaja, my mum came out with her mum & step-father. As my father's surname is Sels, pronounced Shels in Latvian, I am having all sorts of problems finding any of his family records!!His mother was Ozolins prior to marriage, and my maternal grandmother was Bugans prior to marriage then was Ositis when she married. Her second husband was Kronbergs.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Ingrid Hickman (nee Sels)

Re: "Glazer" in Latvia

asg19822 — 2013-04-10 05:21:35Z

I have two Sora (Shora) Glazers in my tree. One is the daughter of Yankel-Hosias born in Libava and the other is the daughter of Shlomo born in Pilten. Any relation?

Re: "Glazer" in Latvia

cjp392 — 2013-04-10 05:20:22Z

I'm not aware of anyone with those names or locations in my family--only go back to Lithuania.

Re: "Glazer" in Latvia

asg19822 — 2013-04-08 16:10:43Z

I have two Sora (Shora) Glazers in my tree. One is the daughter of Yankel-Hosias born in Libava and the other is the daughter of Shlomo born in Pilten. Any relation?

Sam Glaser Fairfax, VA

Re: Request for translation of marriage record

jbgr56 — 2013-03-19 01:15:27Z

This is the gist, a lot hard to read. Will look again and see if more becomes apparent
& maybe another set of eyes might pick out something else.
For now:

Bräutigam der Steuermann Jakob Bruhne, von der __evang. Lettische ___(could be Gemeinde)

Braut, Henriette Amalie Starck,___geboren ___evang. Luth conf ___ Hermann Hesling

next column
beide ledig
Er _Jahre alt
Sie 30 Jahre alt

Bridegroom the helmsman Jakob Bruhne from the Evangelic Latvian___(if the word is Gemeinde, community)

Bride, Henriette Amalie Starck,___born ___Evangelic Lutheran conf (prob confirmed) and a lot that
is hard to decipher,___Hermann Hesling. It could be Schiff but the “s” is different from other above.

Next column
both single
He__years old
She 30 years old

BTW, this is an example of why one needs to see the whole page. This is not the marriage record. Verlöbnis/betrothal and Aufgebot would have likely been Banns. So likely there was no betrothal/engagement or reading of Banns. You'll see there are several pages exactly the same.

Still can't make out the words directly after her name, but "Pflegetochter des weiland Schiff Kapitäns Hermann Hesling".
She was the foster child of former ship captain Hermann Hesling. In this case unclear whether "weiland" means former or deceased. It can be used either way.

Re: Request for translation of marriage record

debdonnelly1 — 2013-03-19 00:15:26Z

Thank you once again for your translation. I could not even read the words well enough to use a dictionary. I greatly appreciate your work and time. Thanks so much.

Re: Request for translation of marriage record

debdonnelly1 — 2013-03-18 03:15:22Z

Thank you very much. I wonder why they would put their names together and then say it didn't happen. Isn't that strange. I wonder if they were married at sea and recorded the marriage when they returned. Would it be possible to translate the rest of the marriage details if you have the time? I really appreciate your help. Thanks again. Deborah

Re: ? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

judystreet1366 — 2013-03-17 21:58:17Z

WOW! you are a wealth of knowledge ,the Scott family of ours were in the military so "MAYBE" George Carroll was in the military also......that at least gives me a little leed
Thanks....

Re: ? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

ACelmina — 2013-03-17 20:06:47Z

There was some Irish movement to continental Europe in the 16th to 18th centuries, a movement you may have heard of as the "Flight of the Wild Geese". These were military men (and sometimes their families) who moved to continental Europe and enlisted in various continental armies, usually French or Austrian but sometimes others.

Some did come to the Russian Empire (most notably Peter de Lacy, a commander in the Russian army and later governor of Riga), but most assimilated to the local gentry/military culture, often marrying local women and becoming, for all practical purposes, Russians or Germans ("high culture" being their provenance, though it is theoretically possible that they could have also married Latvians, Estonians or Lithuanians, who were predominantly peasants).

Re: ? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

judystreet1366 — 2013-03-17 19:40:49Z

Thanks, I guess the person who told me that the Irish in the 1790-1820 going to Latva was wrong about them going over there but they didn't come to the USA or Canada . Elinore the Mother died in Ireland in 1821 ,that again is a no go I don't know where in Ireland she died.
Thanks for telling me where the town is as my old atlas didn't show the town at all. Well, I guess I have lost those two persons for now ........hope a member connect puts someone in my path.......thanks for taking the time to help me I really appreciate the help......

Re: Request for translation of marriage record

jbgr56 — 2013-03-17 15:48:47Z

Where the date would be it reads "hat nicht stattgefunden" it didn't happen or didn't occur. However the death record of 1852 stated he was married.

Re: Request for translation of death record

jbgr56 — 2013-03-17 15:44:35Z

Date of date 18 August (1852) night 3:30 hr; burial 21 August evening 7:00 "Der Steuermann" steer or helmsman
Jakob Bruhne born Liepāja age 29; cause of death "leberübal" bad liver or liver indisposition.

Re: ? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

ACelmina — 2013-03-17 00:42:03Z

I've never heard of there being a lot of Irish people in Lithuania or Latvia. Nowadays, there are a lot of Latvians and Lithuanians in Ireland, but not that many the other way around, and it would have been even less likely historically speaking. Czarist Russia (which Latvia and Lithuania were a part of until 1918) was a very repressive environment, and I can't think of any reason why people would move there from Ireland, especially when it would have been much easier for any Irish emigrants to go to Canada, the United States or Australia.

Neither Balvi (Latvia) nor Belva (Lithuania) are near the coast. Balvi is in eastern Latvia, about 25km from the Russian border, and Belva is in southeastern Lithuania, about 30km west of Vilnius.

Re: ? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

judystreet1366 — 2013-03-16 23:11:01Z

Thanks for an answer to my request. The written word could have been Balvi it was so badly written I was guessing but it definitely had 5 letters and started with a B .....Someone stated that there were at lot of Irish people that lived in Lithuania so I thought I would do a search there as I couldn't find them in Ireland. Would the place called Balvi be on the coast?Will have to get out the old atlas. As for them being in West Virginia I doubt it very much. But it stated that the parents both came from Ireland so I'm really mixed up. Their names were George Carroll and wife Elinore Scott and there daughter Ann was married to my GGGrandfather Robert Scott .....yes I did a double take also. Don't know the relationship of the two Scott's, maybe that is why so many of the Scott's in our family are a little nuts...... thanks for the leads will look into finding out where that Balvi is.......

Request for translation of death record

debdonnelly1 — 2013-03-16 21:34:26Z

Hello,
I have the death record of my great great grandfather, but I can't read all of it. I think the first column is the date of death, but it isn't clear. His cause of death seems to be a liver problem, but I am really not sure. Would someone please help me with the translation? I have attached a copy in two attachments. If it isn't clear, the original can be found at: Raduraksti, Church Books, Evangelical Lutheran, Parishes, Libau St. Trinitatis, 1834-1859 German Married Died, Page 337.
Thank you.

Request for translation of marriage record

debdonnelly1 — 2013-03-16 21:18:48Z

Hello,
I have the marriage record of my great great grandparents. I can see the year is 1848, but can see no date. I can read their names, but can't read the rest. A translation would be greatly appreciated. I have attached a copy. If it is not clear, the original is at: Raduraksti, Church Books, Evangelic Lutheran, Parishes, Libau, St. Trinitatis, 1834-1858, German Married, Page 129.
Thank you.

Re: ? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

ACelmina — 2013-03-16 03:19:26Z

There seem to be some things missing from your post here. Latvia is quite a distance from Ireland, so what is your reason for thinking it might be in Latvia instead of Ireland?

That being said, I could not find a place called "Belva" in Latvia today, though there is a small hamlet with the name in Lithuania (maybe you're looking for the Lithuanian forum instead of the Latvian one, since you said "Litvia" in your title and "Litva" is a common name in other languages for Lithuania). There are, in Latvia, places called Balvi (Bolwa in German) and Beļava, which are close, and Latvian placenames were often misspelled in old documents outside of Latvia, so that could have happened. A simple Google search also says that there is a place called Belva in West Virginia in the United States.

The names you gave are also not Latvian in any way. Do you have reason to believe that they may have changed them to something more English when they emigrated to their new home?

? is there a town called Belva in Litvia

judystreet1366 — 2013-03-15 19:51:38Z

On my GGrandmother's death certificate it said her Mother and Father Elinor Scott & George Carroll came from Belva and that they were Irish . I can't find any Belva in Ireland so thought maybe it's in Lativa.

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

rebekahmarkham — 2013-03-05 02:56:09Z

Marina, thankyou so much, can I message you in private? I never thought we would find this information. Is that Swedish language?

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-03-04 18:06:38Z

No, in German.
Yes, You can message me in peivate.

mplijewa@mail.ru

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

rebekahmarkham — 2013-03-04 17:59:29Z

Marina, thankyou so much, can I message you in private? I never thought we would find this information. Is that Swedish language?

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-03-04 17:52:20Z

The matter is that Russians lived and live everywhere. If this surname meets in Latvia or Estonia, it yet doesn't mean that it is a question of representatives of the Latvian or Estonian nation. The surname is of the Russian origin, and international marriages always were. I found a newspaper note in which it is said that Alexander Krilow drowned in the river because it was drunk.

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

rebekahmarkham — 2013-03-04 17:11:38Z

Hi, Aleksander died 1928-1930 and I'm told he died at sea. He was a merchant navy captain. I dont know anything else and the Swedish navy archives have nothing, maybe he was in the Latvian or Estonian navy. I have found that the surname Krilovs is popular in Latvia with a few in Estonia and Lithuania too. Thankyou.

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-03-03 20:12:01Z

When died Aleksander and where?

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-03-03 20:06:22Z

Krilov(s) name can only russian be.

Re: translation

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-03-03 20:02:13Z

Please, send me photographs and post cards.

Marina
mplijewa@mail.ru

Re: Looking for my Aunt's family - Rathke's from Riga, Latvia

halpark — 2013-02-24 17:00:30Z

If you are still looking take the standard advice.Start with what you have. If the marriage was in a church try to see what, if any, other information they have on the family. If he was naturalised there should be detail on his application. Local papers may have notices - then work backwards. His name is obviously German. There were many Germans in Riga, it was a Hansestadt, usually known as Baltic Germans. They were almost all expelled after WW2 but it is not a very common name and a look in the German telephone book might be worth while. It would not cost much to write a few polite letters and ask if any of them have any connections. More surprising things have happened. Finally as far as the other answer is concerned "Beware strangers bearing gifts" (misquoted from Virgil!). Professional - in my opinion a crude attempt to avoid being charged with commercial advertising.

translation

shellgamer — 2013-02-22 21:57:30Z

I have my grandmother's photographs and post cards, she was born in Latvia in 1894.
I am wondering if anyone would be able to translate into English, the writing on the back of many of these, which I believe is Latvian, if I email or fax to you a copy of the writings?
Thanks very much, Janet

PS...I have tried using a computer translator and am still unable to get some of the words/meaning of the sentences correct. thx

Re: Looking for my Aunt's family - Rathke's from Riga, Latvia

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-02-21 20:16:25Z

Hi!

I have infprmation for You.

Marina
mplijewa@mail.ru

Re: KRILOVS.

rebekahmarkham — 2013-02-16 22:24:17Z

Jean: Have you seen the Latvian search on Family Search? You could also you could email the main newspapers in Latvia. Good luck.

Re: KRILOVS. Latvian?

rebekahmarkham — 2013-02-16 22:22:17Z

Im thinking there could be an Estonian or Lithuanian link, many people presume their ancestors are from Latvia but they have Estonian/Lithuanian roots? This is my new ancestry account.

Birin and Strosh from Latvia

baggy44 — 2013-02-08 17:49:02Z

Edward Birin married Eva Strosh in about 1908. In 1911 they were living in Liverpool, England but they were from Latvia and I suspect they got married there. Can anyone suggest ways of tracking down this marriage?

Re: Request for translation of birth record

debdonnelly1 — 2013-02-05 02:55:35Z

Hi,

Thank you very much for the resolution tip.

Deborah

Re: Josef Schalit : Liebau, Liepaja, Latvia

chantal758 — 2013-02-04 07:55:17Z

Thanks have chantal@ettling.co.uk
Kindxwishes

Re: Josef Schalit : Liebau, Liepaja, Latvia

MarinaPlijewa — 2013-02-04 07:45:57Z

Hi!

I can send You Information, but I need than Your e-adress.

Marina
mplijewa@mail.ru

Re: Request for translation of birth record

ph1498 — 2013-02-03 11:07:46Z

Here's the German reading, somebody from another forum kindly did this:

" Spalte 1:
am ein u. zwanzigsten Februar, Morgens zehn Uhr, fünfzehn Minuten

Spalte 2:
am neunzehnten März

Spalte 3:
No. 23.- Johann David
Vater: Steuermann Jakob Bruhne.
Mutter: Henriette Amalie,
geborene Starck.
/: beide Augsb. Conf. :/
Getauft: durch Pastor RKienitz in der
heil. Dreifaltigkeits-Kirche.
Haltpathe: Fleischermeister und Stadtältester
Johann David Demme
Zeugen: Buchdruckergehülfe Kasp. Herrm. Foege
Steuermann Inge.- Seefahrerfrau Karo-
line Bruhne.- Jungfer Elisab Pusche.
Todtengräberfrau Dorothea Martinsohn.
/: Hebamme Schlüssel :/ "

And my translation of the other part:

both (parents) of the "Augsburgische Konfession" (equivalent to ev. luth.)

baptized: by pastor R.Kienitz in the Heiligen Dreifaltigkeitskirche

godfathers: butcher master and town's oldest Johann David Demme ("Haltpate" means "the godfather who holds the child over the baptismal font" - was the main godfather and very important in those days)

witnesses: printer assistant Kasp. Herrm. Foege (maybe Kaspar Herrmann Foege) - coxwain Inge (not sure if this is the full name) - seaman's wife Karoline Bruhne - maid Elisabeth Pusche - gravedigger's wife Dorothea Martinsohn

midwife Schlüssel

At the right it says: "Er ist das erste Kind dieses Ehepaares" - "He is the first child of this married couple"

Chris

Re: Request for translation of birth record

ph1498 — 2013-02-03 02:05:35Z

For higher resolution on raduraksti, see attached pic

Re: Request for translation of birth record

ph1498 — 2013-02-03 01:47:08Z

Hello,
My gr-grandfather is also from Latvia, but is a quite difficult quest because he probably changed his name when he left Latvia abt. 1895

You should have the translation by Sunday.
Meanwhile here's a better resolution

Chris