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Re: Danish Translation?

bs260966 — 2013-05-23 17:16:18Z

I am Danish and i am sorry but i cant help you unless you get a scan or just send the letters you can read instead of gessing

Birthe

Re: Danish Translation?

lorijeremy — 2013-05-23 16:22:03Z

That is very interesting. They are clearly family to have been in the album, but it is a puzzle. I don't know if anyone will be brave enough to tackle this one. I have one last photo but instead of scanning the back of it, my dad tried to copy the writing himself. He had to guess and this is what he sent me. I am wondering if someone who is familiar with the Danish language will be able to decipher this even though things are clearly misspelled/mis-transcribed.

It is a family group shot taken outside. 2, possibly 3 generations if the husband aged well and the wife didn't.

Burnimeades (Burhimeades?) unreadable (could it be a surname?)

Sofias alste Lou oy (ay?) Liu fauele unreadable moer det et veil vrive (urive?) Viudic(e?)u.

I know this is a tall order, and thanks to anyone who tries.

Re: Danish Translation?

bs260966 — 2013-05-23 07:58:57Z

First of all, the text is Danish written as if the person is born and raised in denmark

1: Henning with his greatgrandmother, in her window you can see that she stil has interest in flowers

2:the Picture that you probably are most exited to see

3: here is Henning with his greatgrandmother. the Picture are from the summer of 1928 or 29, notice the flowers in her window

4:Kristian, Sofie and Krestine and your mother

5: me the day after i got fired as a soldier(kan also just be understod as ended military service)

hope you can use this
greetings Birthe

Re: Danish Translation?

lorijeremy — 2013-05-22 16:54:01Z

Let me try the upload again then...

Re: Danish Translation?

karnj — 2013-05-22 16:28:25Z

Your link gave this answer

403 - Forbidden: Access is denied.
You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials that you supplied.

Re: Danish Translation?

lorijeremy — 2013-05-22 12:15:18Z

Here is the image of the writing http://userdoc.ancestry.com/userdocstore/download.ashx?filei...

The message won't post with the file...

Danish Translation?

lorijeremy — 2013-05-22 12:06:34Z

My Flemish great grandmother Henrietta (born in 1869)had these photos in her possession. Google translate Dutch couldn't help but a general search matched the words I could decipher as Danish (or maybe Norwegian?). Can anyone confirm this and translate the backs of these photos?

The people in the photos must have been relatives (possibly her brother and his family) as they were with all the other family photos from the era. The correspondence seems to have continued 18 years after she immigrated to America (based on 1928 being written in one of the entries). The family was in Flanders for centuries and has been traced...all except for one line.

Re: Need help with translation

falsterden — 2013-05-20 14:33:11Z

To me this looks like:
Spr. Engel, Frederiksberg Kirke

(kirke = church)

Born 04 August 1925 at Hjortshøj (?), Johanne Elise Mathilde Bodenhoff, etc.

An adoption record

Reply: Finding more, local knowledge and help required please….

Hancock_Steve — 2013-05-20 04:21:57Z

Investigation in New Zealand and Germany has solved the quandary – sadly the Johannsens did bring their four babies, but they died during the voyage in 1874.

24 infants died during that voyage. I cannot get my head around the fact that early immigrants sought their dream and lost so much on the way. Really sad........

Thanks to those that helped, Steve

Tracing my Johannsen Ancestors a request from New Zealand

Hancock_Steve — 2013-05-20 04:20:35Z

Need help with translation

ctsteinb — 2013-05-19 16:50:19Z

I tried google translator but not sure I am spelling this correctly. It is the 7th column from the left and 3rd entry down.

Re: Baker/Larsen - Denmark

jojensagain — 2013-05-17 16:44:10Z

The Danish emigration records can be found at http://www.ddd.dda.dk/ddd_en.htm And Ancestry has the Hamburg passenger lists 1850-1934, though only indexed from 1877-1914.

I did find a Frederik Baker that was born in Randers on Dec 28 1867 - but then found info and family trees that seem fairly well documented that show that this family moved to the US in the 80s - Sorry. :-(

J Murphy

Re: AGERKVIST in Denmark

donnatreez — 2013-05-17 06:25:49Z

Thanks, Paul!

Re: AGERKVIST in Denmark

PLondahlsmid1 — 2013-05-16 12:45:29Z

Hi Donna,

This site lists 39 people in Denmark with the last name of Agerkvist. You might try sending them a letter or if you really want to spend the money, telephone them.
http://www.krak.dk/person/resultat/Agerkvist

Sincerely,
Paul

AGERKVIST in Denmark

donnatreez — 2013-05-16 01:09:56Z

Around the beginning of the twentieth century, when the Danish government began encouraging Danes to stop using the patronymic naming system, some of my relatives chose the surname 'Agerkvist'. So I am probably related to many Danes who bear that name today. Our common ancestor might be Peder Rasmussen, born 1807 in Norre Jernlose, Merlose, Holbaek, Zealand. If you think we might be related, please contact me.

Re: Surname Byriel or Byrialsen

vonm79 — 2013-05-14 15:44:14Z

My email address has now been changed to
vonm@windstream.net
Please direct any correspondence to that address. Thank you!! Lavonne Marcusen

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-14 14:58:18Z

Mvh,
Yes, might be wrong, but could be right too. Might explain partly why the family held to the belief that she was 18, pregnant and went away.....maybe that was when she left the family, maybe not to America, but to another city, such as Copenhagen or elsewhere. Something to consider, anyways, thanks for your help, you have been helpful and it is good to have someone with a fresh perspective analyze the scenario :)

Fawn

Re: Baker/Larsen - Denmark

dazza19751 — 2013-05-14 08:16:23Z

Hello..

Just wondering if anyone has any emigration details from 1868 onwards from Denmark or at least Hamburg.

Many thanks
Darren

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-14 02:41:53Z

Thanks Maj-Britt. That helps a lot.

> "About the shipping of, this is just the story that my grandmother was told, by her mother." <

So....Magda is your grandmother's mother? And Magda said she was "shipped off"? (or Magda said other words with the same meaning)

Then you guys are NOT guessing. You two are quoting Magda. Magda is the source of that story. This wasn't stated before. Thank you.

> "I can tell you that the whole family except for Magda are there." <

From this you must mean the family is in Egense in 1911? If the family had moved, that would be a clue - a place to look for Magda.

I hope you find Magda in Svendborg as you complete your search.

About Vor Frue Kirke in Copenhagen: the Copenhagen police registry gives her address in 1914 and 1915. From there you can tell the way to Vor Frue. I'm no help with this, but some people in this forum would know how to locate her path from home, past Vor Frue. Another very good forum for help with details like that is Slaegt og Data DIS-Danmark.

There was a hospital/home for unwed mothers in Copenhagen (Rigshospitalet, I think). I have wondered if Magda had a child before she left for America. She talks about being estranged from her family when she was 18. And there's a family story about a businessman in Svendborg. She is living in Copenhagen circa 1914. So isn't it unlikely the Svendborg guy is the father of Paul born in USA Jan 1916? So could he be the father of an earlier child? Maybe she was a maid in Svendborg, got pregnant, and came to Copenhagen then? Could it be she gave up a child for adoption? Now that is really guessing. You can decide if that is a worthwhile place to look. I don't want to send you on a "wild goose chase" (a useless hunt).

I can see the two of you are an excellent team.

And don't you just hate those computer problems? Arghhhh

Mvh

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-14 02:39:59Z

Well that was just one hypothesis to incorporate parts of the family story shared in this thread:
1. Family story that Magda had a child by a businessman in Svendborg. Well, Magda was in Copenhagen by 1914 and Paul was born Jan 1916. Various explanations are possible - a pregnancy before Paul being just one.
2. Family story that Magda left Denmark at age 18. Well, Magda left Denmark at age 25. Age 18 could be just an error in the family story - but also age 18 could be when she left her father's home (circa 1908). The latter story fits with the records you've found - she's not with her family in 1911.
3. Family story that Magda's parents (father/stepmother) were scandalized by her or in conflict with her in some way. The records we've found seem to show that the parents would not even know Magda was pregnant when she left Denmark.

The earlier pregnancy is just an idea, and probably WRONG. Just trying to incorporate this businessman in Svendborg. Maybe that was an affair - but no pregnancy? another idea. Or maybe he didn't exist, lol.

Sometimes family stories are totally wrong, or have some mistakes in them. Sometimes they are correct! As you two already pointed out early in this thread.

Wish I was more helpful.

Mvh

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-14 02:26:33Z

Thanks Maj-Britt. I guess I gave the wrong name of the hospital for unwed mothers - but you already thought of that place anyway. If I find out anything, I'll come back. Meanwhile, good luck to you both.

Venlig Hilsen / warm greetings from USA

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-13 20:48:31Z

Falsterden,

Interesting idea that Magda's son Paul, the child she is pregnant with when she leaves Denmark, may actually not be her first child. I had not really contemplated that. I think there must be something to that idea though, maybe.....Maj-Britt's family was always under the impression Magda was 18 when she left Denmark and was pregnant, but the story must have gotten mixed up a bit somehow, somewhere? Maybe she was actually pregnant at 18 then? Could she have left at 18, as well as 25, and then come back and lived in Copenhagen after leaving the first time?

It seems the more we uncover, the more unanswered questions we find!

Thanks for your help and insight, appreciate it.

Fawn

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-13 16:21:08Z

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

enevoldsen_maj — 2013-05-13 16:15:49Z

Yes, the family are still in Rantzausminde/Egense in 1911.

" Maybe she was a maid in Svendborg, got pregnant, and came to copenhagen then? " This is exactly what I'm guessing, this is the theory I'm working after and why I want to search the entire Svendborg Amt 1911. I also planned to look through the churchbook for Den Kgl. Fødselsstiftelse, maybe she did have an earlier pregnancy. So you thinking the same as me, gives me a little hope, that maybe I am on the right track.

Magda is not the mother of my grandmother, but her aunt. The story was told to my grandmother by her mother Ebba, the halfsister of Magda, who was very close to her.
When Ebba died my grandmother continued writing with Magda until Magdas death. During all those years of corresponding, the story never changed, so it's almost like quoting Magda.

Thank you very much for your input, if you have any other ideas please let us know.

Venlig hilsen

Maj-Britt

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-13 15:42:36Z

More later - for now just a quick comment - I did not say the family probably would not allow Magda to live with them during her pregnancy. I certainly could not guess about that. Additional information about Magda's immigration is found on page 2 of the passenger manifest. I see what you mean about the 1911 census. Magda registered to emigrate 29 April 1915 and gave birth 17 January 1916 (about a week and a half shy of nine months later). She seems to leave Denmark before she could even know she is pregnant.

Re: Look Up Please - Anne Katrine Jensen

leifjens — 2013-05-13 13:26:09Z

Sorry, it is not "your" Ane Katrine I have found. She died 6 year old in Horsens (attached file)

Leif Jensen

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

enevoldsen_maj — 2013-05-13 13:01:31Z

Hi fasterden.

I am the danish cousin, Maj-Britt.
I wish I could show you the 1911 census for Magdas parents and siblings, but I can't access the information as I have problems with JAVA, and now I really wish i had written down the opslagsnr. Sorry.
I can tell you that the whole family except for Magda are there, I have looked at it several times before my computer problems, there is nothing in the tillægsliste either.

I have looked through about 75 % of Svendborg Amt 1911 census', and nothing yet. Hopefully my JAVA problems are temporary and I can continue my search.

About the shipping of, this is just the story that my grandmother was told, by her mother. In this story/skrøne Magda was about 18 years old when it happened, and of course we now know that she left for America when she was in her mid twenties.
You write that I am guessing, and yes I am trying to guess where she went, what she did and where to look for her, as I have next to no clues.

I have found old letters she sent, and is looking for any information that might give me a clue. In one letter she writes about Vor Frue Kirke in Copenhagen, and how she walked past it many times, maybe that's a clue. But not being able to access census', all this information did was that it made me frustrated.

Sorry that I'm not able to give you anything more concrete to work with.

Maj-Britt

Re: Look Up Please - Anne Katrine Jensen

leifjens — 2013-05-13 11:44:15Z

From www.ddd.dda.dk:

skanderborg, Nim, Horsens Købstad, Aagade 168 i, et Hus, 467, FT-1850, C9812
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Erhverv: Fødested:
Rasmus Jensen 38 Gift Sømand, Huusfader Endelave
Bodil Winther 34 Gift hans Kone Nørre Aldum S.,Veile Amt
Ane Cathr.Jensen3 Ugift deres Datter Horsens

Rasmus Jensen, married, Sailor born in Endelave

Ane Cathr(ine) Jensen, 3 years old, born in the town Horsens

I have attached the birth registration from the churchbook from www.arkivalieronline.dk

Leif Jensen
Denmark

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-12 23:22:25Z

Thanks Fawn, you are being so patient with me. My impression was that you guys had the 1911 census for Magda's PARENTS AND SIBLINGS. It seemed you were saying Magda was not with her parents in 1911, which means you found the parents, otherwise you couldn't know Magda's not with them. Could you post a transcription of the 1911 census for Magda's parents? Thanks!

Magda's father
1880
Svendborg, Sunds, Skaarup, Skaarup Mark, 22. et Hus, 141, FT-1880, A0134
Lars Henriksen 60 gift Husfader. Husejer. Møllebygger Bregninge Sogn Ærø
Martha Kirstine Henriksen. f. Nielsen 47 gift Husmoder. Hans Hustru Skaarup Sogn Svendborg Amt
Grethe Karoline Petrine Larsen 22 ugift Deres Datter tjener Forældrene Her i Sognet
**Laurits Theodor Skytte Knudsen 17 ugift Deres Søn Seminarieelev Her i Sognet <--------
Henriette Jørgine Katrine Henriksen 10 ugift Deres Datter Her i Sognet
Ane Katrine Uglebjerg f. Hansen 83 enke Husfaderens Svigermoder. som af ham forsørges Her i Sognet
Peter Olsen 22 ugift Seminarieelev Nysted Landsogn Maribo Amt
**NOTE 02.11.1862 Forældre: Karetmager Jørgen Skytte Knudsen og Hustru Martha Kirstine Uglebjerg

1890
Svendborg, Sunds, Egense, Rantzausminde, , 6, FT-1890, B0701
...enumerated with another family...
Lauritz Theodor Skytte Knudsen 27 Gift husfader lærer Skaarup
Frederikke Kirstine Kaas 25 Gift husmoder Thurø
Magda Cathrine Knudsen under aar, 5 december 89 Ugift barn Egense
Birthe Marie Hansen 16 Ugift tjenestepige " [Egense]

1901
Svendborg, Sunds, Skaarup, Skaarup By / Mark, 7a, 11, FT-1901, A0132
Rasmus Peder Andersen 20.01.1848 enke Husfader Agerbrug Skaarup Svendborg
Anders Laurits Andersen 21.04.1886 ugift Barn Skaarup Svendborg
Martha Henriksen 8.06.1832 enke Husbestyrinde Skaarup Svendborg
Magda Kathrine Knudsen 5.12.1890 ugift Logerende [lodger] Egense Svendborg <------
Jensigne Nielsen 22.03.1884 ugift Tjenestetyende Hilderslev
Hans Marius Rasmussen 16.05.1882 ugift Tjenestetyende Agerbrug Skaarup Svendborg

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-12 22:03:43Z

I forgot to mention, that the man she is with in the 1920 census in North Dakota has been in North Dakota since 1904 and is found there still in the 1930 census, so, he was there before and after Magda came along. He maybe the father of the 3rd child, but we do not know when Magda went to Minnesota for sure. There are at least 2 different fathers then for Magda's first 3 children, perhaps 3 fathers, we are not sure.

Fawn

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-12 21:46:06Z

My Danish cousin is the one looking in the Danish records for Magda, as it is a bit easier for her being Danish. Here is what she says:

"Hi Fawn.

Yes, she is not with her family in 1911, I searched the whole of Rantzausminde/Egense and she is not there. It is of course true, that there is a slight possibilty that who ever did the census all those years ago, made a mistake. But how could we ever know! I have to assume she was somewhere else and that hopefully I will find her.

Maj-Britt"

Magda moved around quite a bit after coming to the US. After having Paul in New Jersey in 1916, the one we are assuming was fathered in Denmark, she had a daughter, Elsa in 1918 in Montana, we find her in North Dakota living with a Danish man , listed as a servant, with her two children, Paul and Elsa, then in 1921, she has another boy in Minnesota, she is alone then. She then marries my great grandfather, she is actually ~2 months pregnant with the 3rd illegitimate son at the time......
So its safe to assume she probably didn't know she was pregnant when she left Denmark and that she left because she wanted to, at least somewhat, and probably as a result of the affair scandal in Svendborg.

Fawn

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-12 20:06:18Z

Magda had told her children (years later) that she had worked as a maid for a man named Larsen and that she had her first 3 children by him, also that it had all occurred "out East" referring to the East Coast of the US. We found out that this was not entirely true.....only the first child, Paul, was apparently fathered by this older man. Whether his name was really Larsen or not, we don't know. She left Denmark in May of 1915, her son Paul was born January 17 1916 in New Jersey, USA. That puts Paul's date of conception ~late April of 1915, while she was still in Denmark. I do not have Paul's birth certificate, but I am requesting a search for one from the state of New Jersey. His obituary states his birth as Jan. 17, 1915 in New Jersey.

I suppose it is possible she was omitted from the family on the census of 1911. I wonder though if she is living with this businessman as his maid in 1911 already? I'm speculating that if we find Magda living with another family in the 1911 records, that the head of the household may be the man she had the affair with and the father of her first son Paul?

I agree with you that she was not truly "shipped off" by her family and that she of course must have had a big part in the decision to emigrate to the US, being 25 years old. That is how my Danish cousin's family referred to Magda's leaving Denmark though....

I think you may be right that the family would probably not allow her living with them to carry out the pregnancy there, if this was a scandal in the town.

Thank you for your help- it was interesting to see that she paid for the passage.

Fawn

Re: The Harder family and the Kleist family

falsterden — 2013-05-11 12:43:55Z

Thank you to both. Ørn, your reasoning is sound and appreciated. The links Karsten added are appreciated as well, as they allow any reader of this thread to benefit from the research underway elsewhere.

Re: The Harder family and the Kleist family

ØrnPedersenM — 2013-05-11 11:46:41Z

I do not suppose that everybody in here can read or understand Norwegian. So of course I have two active threads on a Norwegian forum, but they are written in Norwegian. It would be foolish of me to suppose that Ancestry users are able to understand norwegian. Therfore I have written on this message board in English to be able to reach all the others who do not speak Norwegian but who may have some information about this.

Re: The Harder family and the Kleist family

kcdamen — 2013-05-11 11:36:04Z

Ørn Pedersen Myhre has two active threads on a Norwegian forum on this topic:
http://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/184762-leter-etter-foreldr...

http://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/184817-bryllup-mellom-jone...

Take care not to waste your time "falsterden".

Karsten:-))

Re: The Harder family and the Kleist family

falsterden — 2013-05-11 02:50:45Z

Maybe you will have a better chance with your query if you correct it (you say Hans Harder born 1742 marries Bodil Sophie Kleist in 1743). Also it seems you are actually interested in Nikolay Christian Harder born 1752 in Norway, and you only happened to notice the same surname in Denmark? If Nikolay is your true interest, then research is needed in Norwegian records (and thus the Norway message board might help you better).

I did look through Ancestry.com family trees for Hans Harder, Bodil Sophie Kleist, Nikolay Christian Harder - and the trees are hopelessly snarled with impossible combinations (a mother giving birth at age 7 and so on). Probably best to start by posting all you know about Nikolay Christian Harder and work back from there to establish his parents, ancestors, and cousins.

If I could directly help you, I would. Maybe the suggestion can help a little.

Mvh

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

falsterden — 2013-05-11 02:32:00Z

Is it possible that Magda's name was inadvertnetly omitted from the family in the 1911 census? (a mistake by the census taker) I guess we can't know unless she is found in the census elsewhere.

The word on the Copenhagen police registry is Alder = age = birth date.

You are saying Magda was pregnant when she left Copenhagen for America? When was her child born in USA? Do you have that birth certificate? Is the father named?

She has been living independently in Copenhagen since 1914 and leaves Copenhagen 29 April 1915, traveling to her friend Mrs. L. Greer in Wilmington, North Carolina. Probably she is not being "shipped off," would be my guess. Her father and stepmother could refuse to allow her to return to their home to carry out her pregnancy, but as far as I know they could not compel her to leave Denmark.

On the passenger manifest, when asked by whom was passage paid, she answers: self

Here's that 1906 census you already have - would it help to post the 1911 census for the family as well?:

1906 Danish Census
Svendborg, Sunds, Egense
Laurits Theodor [Skytte] Knudsen born 2/11 64 Gift, Husfader Lærer [Skaarup Sogn - Svendborg Amt]
Ane Kirstine Knudsen [født Rasmussen] 10/4 76? Gift Husmoder - [Egense Sogn - Svendborg Amt]
Ebba Elisa Knudsen 28/3 98 Ugift Barn - [Egense Sogn - Svendborg Amt
Villiam Knudsen 30/4 00 ? Ugift Barn - [Egense Sogn - Svendborg Amt]
Magrete Karoline Knudsen 19/12 00? Ugift do [Barn] - [Egense Sogn - Svendborg Amt]
Rigmor Ingeborg Knudsen 14/12 05 Ugift do [Barn] - [Egense Sogn - Svendborg Amt]
Magda Katrine Knudsen 5/12 89 Ugift do [Barn] - [Egense Sogn - Svendborg Amt]

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

HRFFW — 2013-05-09 01:45:13Z

I believe the police registration is the right Magda and just a mistake in writing the birth month:

I can't read her father's address on the passenger list either, but pretty sure it's the same as on her registration.

One of the helpful Danes will probably recognize it.

Edit: I think it's Rantzausminde a place in Egense parish.

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-09 00:29:32Z

Not reading Danish, I was unaware that aider = her birthdate? Someone on this board had originally found this police record and we do know that Magda was listed as having lived in Copenhagen as her last permanent residence before immigrating. Perhaps the 1 was mistakenly left off before the 2 so it looks like Feb. vs Dec or perhaps this is not my Magda.......

Her immigration info is below. Would she have just lived in Copenhagen for a few weeks before immigrating? Is there a way to tell how long she was there, assuming the police record is her?

Re: Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

HRFFW — 2013-05-08 23:39:26Z

Are you sure the police registration attached is 'your' Magda?

It lists birthdate as 5 FEBRUARY 1889, and I can't read the birthplace listed but it's not Egense.

Cannot locate someone in 1911 Danish records........+ long story.

fawnda10 — 2013-05-08 20:00:28Z

I'm looking for my great grandmother Magda Cathrine Knudsen in the 1911 Danish records, but have had no luck looking in the places where we thought she might have been. Any help, whether it just be ideas as to where she might have gone, would be appreciated!

Here is what we know.......

Magda Cathrine Knudsen, b. Dec 5, 1889 in Egense Parish, Sunds, Swendborg, Denmark. She is the only child of her mother, who dies when she is 2 year old of TB.

Father: Laurits Theodor Skytte Knudsen, b. Nov 2, 1862 in Skaarup parish, Sunds, Svendborg, Denmark.

Mother: Frederikke Cathrine Kaas, b.March 29, 1864 in Thurø Parish, Sunds,Svendborg, Denmark. Died, Dec 24, 1891.

Laurits' 2nd wife/Magda's stepmother: Ane Kirstine Rasmussen, b. April 30, 1877 in Egense Parish, Sunds, Swendborg, Denmark. Marries Laurits May 7, 1897 in Egense Parish, Sunds, Swendborg, Denmark

Laurits and his 2nd wife Ane Kirstine have 4 children together:
Ebba Alice Marie b. 1898
Aage William Rasmus Skytte b. 1899
Margrethe Caroline b. 1900
Ellen Rigmor Ingeborg b. 1904

The story is that Magda and her stepmother Ane Kirstine did not get along at all. It looks like Magda was sent away in 1901 to live with friends of the family. In 1906 she is back with the family, then disappears in 1911. I will copy what my cousin told me she found/did not find, it may be easier.

"I have looked at the census for Rantzausminde/Egense in 1901, 1906 and 1911.In 1901 Magda is not with her family, she is staying with friends of the family in a place called Skårup. Maybe this shows us that there were problems in the relationship between Magda and her new mom Anne Kirstine as early as 1901.
In 1906 she is back living with her family and in 1911 she is nowhere to be found. So she definitely left home/was kicked out sometime between 1906 and 1911, age 17-22.
I so want to find where she lived and what she did next, but so far no luck."

In 1915, Magda is living in Copenhagen. Apparently in early April/Late March of 1915 she becomes pregnant (and is not married). The family story is that she had an affair with a prominent businessman in Svendborg, this pregnancy being the culmination of that affair. In May of 1915 she is "shipped off to America" supposedly by her family. Another bit of info from my cousin......

"I can tell you a little about Magdas father and stepmother. Laurits was a teacher, but more than that, I dont know the english word, like a senior teacher with management responsibilities, he also played the organ in Egense church. I imagine the church was very important to him, so when his young daughter got pregnant, he probably had to act, maybe not send her away but something."

Sooooo, not sure where exactly Magda was living when she had the affair or before that in 1911. The attachment shows where she was living in Copenhagen before she immigrated to America.

Any help or insight would be much appreciated, thank you!

Re: Need record help pls

lizjensen001 — 2013-05-08 18:32:31Z

By some chance Paul, do you think you can help me find more information about my father? His name is Vagn Aage Jensen, dont know much about him cause he passed away and left us when i was 6 years old, he was born December 21, 1920
And i know he served during world war II, other than that i have no more clues... i know his parents too , but what i would like to know more about is specifically about my father, like where he went during his service and all...

Re: Need record help pls

lizjensen001 — 2013-05-08 18:28:17Z

Thanks so much Paul! You have no idea how happy i am with the help you've extended! I cant believe my family tree is now nearing back 1700! thanks so much for your help! i have some resources, however its hard for me to research cause its in danish, and i have a problem understanding the penmanship... so it really means a lot to me that you helped me on this!

Re: Need record help pls

PLondahlsmid1 — 2013-05-08 12:55:32Z

Hi Eileen,

More information for your family tree.

Maren Kirstine Pedersen was born in Værløse on 31 Jul 1832 to Peder Pedersen and Sidse Olsdatter.

Anders Larsen was born in Værløse on 16 Sep 1833 to Lars Andersen and Maren Olsdatter, opslag 9 nr 16.

Christian Knudsen was born 10 Aug 1849 to Hans Jørgen Knudsen and Ane Kirstine Willumsdatter, Vor Frelser, Sokkelund, København, opslag 94 nr 104.

Hans Jørgen Knudsen was born 24 Apr 1819 in Kerte, Baag, Odense to Knud Nielsen and Johanne Jørgensdatter, opslag 12 nr 85.

Anne Kirstine Willumsdatter was born 24 Feb 1818 in Allerslev, Voldborg, Roskilde to Willum Hansen and Ane Marie Johansdatter.

Willum Hansen and Ane Marie Johansdatter were married in Allerslev on 7 May 1802, opslag 82.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Paul

Re: Need record help pls

lizjensen001 — 2013-05-08 03:02:25Z

Thanks Paul, that was a great contribution! :)
I will also do my research from their :)

Re: Need record help pls

PLondahlsmid1 — 2013-05-07 20:22:28Z

Hi Eileen,

This is what I have found on Dagmar Mary Jensen.

Dagmar Mary Jensen was born 10 May 1890 in København to Christian Knudsen and Signe Elisa Larsen, Frederiksberg, Sokkelund, København, opslag 375 nr 221.

Signe Elise Larsen was born 26 Mar 1862 to Anders Larsen and Maren Kirstine Petersen in Værløse, Smorum, København, opslag 74 nr 4.

Anders Larsen and Maren Kirstine Pedersdatter were married in Garrisons, Sokkelund, København on 15 Aug 1858, opslag 31 nr 113.

As time permits, I will look for more information on your ancestors.

Sincerely,
Paul

Need record help pls

lizjensen001 — 2013-05-07 14:14:29Z

Im stuck with my grandmother side
Her name is Dagmar Mary Knudsen , Married to Aage Cornelius Jensen
Her parent are Christian Knudsen and Signe Elisa Larsen
What i would like to know more:
Who are the gradnparents of Dagmar Mary Knudsen?
Years of birth if possible, nationality, and any record of marriage/birth would be so much appreciated.
thank you in advance!

Re: Moller/Nielson

mBuffett60 — 2013-05-06 23:59:23Z

This is response to the unwed mother bit listed in your replies. Unless it states in the christening record that the mother is unwed DO NOT assume that because the mother and fathers names are different...especially before 1875.

Here's why:
Denmark Naming Patterns

Understanding given names and surnames can help you find and identify your ancestors in the records.
Surnames
Before record keeping began in Denmark, most people had only one name, such as Jens. As the population increased, it became necessary to distinguish between individuals with the same name. The problem was usually solved by adding descriptive information. Jens became Jens the smith, Jens the son of Matthis, Jens the short, or Jens from Fredericia. At first, "surnames" applied only to one person and not to the whole family. After a few generations, these names were passed from father to son. Surnames developed from four major sources:

Patronymic, based on a parent's name, such as Lars Nielsen (son of Niels)
Occupational, based on the person's trade, such as Jens Smed (the smith)
Nicknames, based on a person's characteristics, such as Anders Blåtann (bluetooth)
Geographical, based on a person's residence, such as Peder Tolstrup

Surnames were first used by the nobility and wealthy land owners. Later the custom was followed by merchants and townspeople, and eventually by the rural population.
Patronymic surnames are the predominant type in Denmark. Such names are based on the father's given name. This name changed with each generation. For example, Lars Pedersen was the son of a man named Peder. If Lars had a son Hans, the son would be known as Hans Larsen (son of Lars). His brothers would be called Larsen, while a sister would be known as Larsdatter (daughter of Lars).

Where the population used patronymics, a woman did not change her name at marriage.

From about 1850 on, it was customary for Danes living in cities to take permanent surnames. By 1875, many rural parts of Denmark followed suit. In some places, patronymic surnames were used until 1904, when a national law required people to adopt permanent family names.
Given Names
In Denmark, a particular naming pattern was very common until about 1850. The following pattern may be helpful in researching family groups:
The first male child was usually named for the father's father.

The second boy was usually named for the mother's father.
The first female child was usually named for the mother's mother.
The second girl was named for the father's mother.

Additional children were often named for the parents and the parents' brothers and sisters.
If one spouse died, the other remarried, and children were born to the new pair, the couple usually named the first child of the same sex after the deceased spouse.
Danish genealogical records may be in Danish, Latin, or German. Your ancestor's name could be in Latin in his birth record, in Danish in his marriage record, and in German in his death record. Names are often very different when translated into different languages.

The Harder family and the Kleist family

ØrnPedersenM — 2013-05-05 12:25:01Z

Hello

I am looking for information about Hans Harder, born in 1742, probaly in Denmark, died in 1761 in Norway. Married to Bodil Sophie Kleist 28 Aug 1743 in Helligånd church in Copenhagen. Who where there children? Is it a connection to Nikolay Christian Harder born 1752 in Norway?

Re: Finding 20th century Wesselhoff's

falsterden — 2013-05-04 23:11:43Z

Just a quick addition of that 1906 census...

1906 Danish Census
Præstø, Hammer, Køng, Køng, , 11, FT-1906, D3287
Johanne K. Vesselhoft F. Olsen 10/4 1871 Enke Husmoder Ved Malkning og Fattighjælp
Jens P. Nielsen 15/3 1892 Ugift Barn
Vilhelmmine M. Vesselhoft 23/9 1896 Ugift Barn
Alfred Marius Olsen 19/4 1894 Ugift Barn
Marta Pretrine Vesselhoft 21/9 1899 Ugift Barn
Peter Martin Vesselhoft 23/12 1900 Ugift Barn
Maren Kirstine Vesselhoft 17/12 1902 Ugift Barn
Johanne K. Vesselhoft 14/4 1904 Ugift Barn

Enke = widow
Fattighjælp = poor and receiving public aid