Norfolk Island - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Uknown Life of a Convict 1845- 1851

dj72green — 2009-10-09 12:40:30Z

I am guessing that you haven't seen his conduct record - you can view it online at http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.h... He returned to Tas and his Conditional Pardon was approved in April 1851. He would not have been allowed to return to England under a Conditional Pardon, however this doesn't mean that he didn't. His indent is not available online, but you should contact the archives office for a copy as they usually list names of parents/siblings/spouse. http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/reference

I have found two newspaper reports of his trial if you would like them, but the only family info is that he was from Wimborne Minster and married with two children (though his conduct record says one child) His sentence was commuted from life to 7 years. If you would like copies of the newspaper articles please contact me via the ancestry member contact and give your email address.

Regards

Debra

Re: Caroline "Kaiee" Adams

pasfut — 2009-08-08 01:02:35Z

Hi Christine,

Thank you.Yes, she lived on Norfolk for 86 years! and had 5 children but no one knows if she was actually married. I will try your suggestion but if you come across any other info please let me know. Someone must know something.Kaiee was born on Norfolk in 1888 and died in 1974 there so it's strange there isn't someone who is acquainted with her. a real mystery!

Re: Caroline "Kaiee" Adams

Chris_Liavaa — 2009-08-07 20:27:38Z

Dear Pete,
I am not connected in any way, but in looking at your problem, I presume that Kaiee lived on Norfolk Island, and married? there. All the Anglican marriage and bith records, plus banns and burials,for Norfolk Island, are available as PAMBU microfilms. So are the 7th Day Adventist records
PMB 423-C of E records 1871-1971
PMB 425 7th Day Adventist records 1891-1970
THere are also other films from the Norfolk Island Historical Society.
I suggest you get in touch with PAMBU to ask where the nearest library to you which holds these films is.
pambu@anu.edu.au
or www.http://rspas.anu.edu.au/pambu/
Christine

Re: Looking for Places Of Rest

Chris_Liavaa — 2009-08-07 08:42:06Z

Neither Mary Louisa nor John Matthew Patteson Quintal died in NZ
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/Search/...

Re: Looking for Places Of Rest

Chris_Liavaa — 2009-08-07 05:48:54Z

Almira Emeline Quintal McLiver appears on the 1893 electoral roll as Emmeline McLiver of Avondale Auckland, with her husband John. She died in 1918 aged 71
John died in 1906 aged 62

The Little's funeral records at Auckland City Libraries have Emeline McLiver died 25 August 1918 aged 71 years and buried 27 August 1918 in Symonds Street Cemetery.

Subjects McLiver, Emeline, d.1918
Symonds Street Cemetery

The Little's funeral records at Auckland City Libraries have John McLiver died 10 October 1906 aged 63 years and buried 13 October 1906 in Symonds Street Cemetery.

Subjects McLiver, John, d.1906
Symonds Street Cemetery.
...............
Also,
Symonds St Cemetery
The Anglican Sexton's list has Edmund Quintall at Block H 87. According to the late 1950's tombstone transcriptions Edmund Quintall, native of Pitcairn Island, died 14 December 1868. The St Paul's register has Joseph Edmond Quintale buried 15 December 1868 aged 22 years of West Queen Street.

Subjects Quintale, Joseph Edmond, d.1868; Quintall, Edmund
Symonds Street Cemetery
Notes: The Anglican Memorial has Edmund Quintall 14.12.1868.

Re: Caroline "Kaiee" Adams

pasfut — 2009-07-28 00:16:35Z

Hi karen,

Thanks for your reply.

Boyd has already sent me the info he has but this is the only gap.ie who your gg grandfather is. My children's grandfather was kenneth, son of Elizabeth, daughter of Kaiee. Boyd has sent me an all inclusive list of all descendants and the only thing missing is the name of Kaiee's husband(s)/partner(s). Please let me know if you find anything.

Cheers,

Pete

Re: Caroline "Kaiee" Adams

hillisyde — 2009-07-27 10:29:44Z

HI Pete,

I am Karen, daughter of Denys, Son of Guil, Son of Kaiee.

I suggest that you speak with Boyd (dads brother) and he may have some information.

I would be interested in seeing your family tree in relation to us.

Regards,
Karen

Caroline "Kaiee" Adams

pasfut — 2009-07-17 07:08:14Z

I am searching for any information on Caroline Adams b 24/08/1888 d 16/01/1974 nickname "Kaiee" especially the name of her partner or the father of her children. My family (Steele) are direct descendents of her daughter Elizabeth Ernestine Adams b 3/12/1909. she had 4 other children. This is the only missing link in the family tree.

Thanks,

Pete

white family St. John

jrgirl3 — 2009-06-14 17:03:09Z

Does anyone know the white family that had lots of children, some of the childrens names were Lavina, Alma, Eunice,Mary, Anthony. The girls came to the USA in about 1918-20. Their mother died at child birth. I think their father was a fisherman.

other names in file 39/8301 in 1839 at norfolk island

chezclaire1 — 2009-05-27 12:08:16Z

hi other names in that file are :

thomas sharpe chaplain written in 25th june 1839

john Mclean ? super't of argiculture written in 25 june 1839

wm foster? sup of convicts he had signed off on same doc of john mclean

innis? stuart surgeon dated 14/01/1839

if you would a copy leave message please also see my other note

thanks you
kind regards claire & family

1839 mc mannus tried killed overseer william wilkins

chezclaire1 — 2009-05-27 11:58:57Z

hello all , i ahve recently been to nsw archives and discovered in 39/8301 a separate letter by Innis? Stuart surgeon at the time of 14/01/1839 confirming that mcmannus placeda 3 pound 10 ounze stone in a bag and had asulted with intent of murder to wilkins which the cut had wilkins in hospital for 14 days

this orginal document was ammazing to hold.

is any one part of a mcmannus or stuart at norfolk island ? would love to know more of that time. i am willing to scan copy i have of document that was in file 39/8301 shelf 4/2462

kind regards
claire

Henry Warland's Conviction.

darzet — 2009-05-24 07:40:50Z

The account of the times printed in the Dorset County Chronical, July 24,1845 provides this brief description of the Henry Warland (on bail).
The prisoner is a married man, the father of a young child, and a respectable tradesman, carrying on the the business of a plumber and glazier in the town of WIMBORNE MINSTER, DORSET.
The sentence handed down was "that he be transported for the term of his natural life. Sources obtained from Ancestry clearly shows the sentence was for 7 years transportation to van Diemens Land.

Re: Looking for Places Of Rest

annenicholls — 2009-05-23 03:46:55Z

Hi
Found a death of Emeline Mcliver aged 71 years in 1918 and a John Mcliver aged62 years in 1906/also a Mary Quintal aged 52 years in1905.
Anne.NZ.

Re: Anyone seeking missing relations

darzet — 2009-05-02 04:51:36Z

Seeking Henry Warland Convicted 1845, shipped to NI on the "China", pardoned 1849-50, Possibillities 1. Died on NI 2.Returned to London,or UK Port, or Hobart or Sydney or Brisbane. Dorset man, sentenced 7yrs at Dorchester Assizes.
Suspected born end of 17 century-early 18th.
Any info most welcome.

Clarence Herbert William Swift

1ancsub — 2009-04-18 22:43:20Z

Clarence Herbert William Swift born London, England in 1916. He married Annie Orchard in England in 1945. Family story says he went to Norfolk Island and became a property owner and fruit grower, not sure when perhaps 1950s. He was probably known as Herbert or Bert.

Are there any records available for Norfolk Island that would enable me to find out what happened to him? Perhaps death registration, probate/will or electoral register?

If not, can anyone tell me what sort of crops he is likely to have grown on the island?

Uknown Life of a Convict 1845- 1851

darzet — 2009-03-26 03:55:49Z

Henry Warland was convicted at Dorchester in 1845 and sentenced to 7 years transportation. He sailed to Van Diemens Land on the "China", The China sailed 1 Jan 1846 and arrived 16 May 1846 in Norfolk Island. He later sailed on the Lady Franklin in Jan 1849. Destination unknown.He was the recipent of a Ticket of Leave and finally a Pardon.
Henry is unknown as to his parents or spouse prior to his conviction and so far his destination or life after NI.
There are strong possibilities that he is related to my family and returned to England but desparately need information from anyone researching Warlands of Dorset, Warrens, Pattens and Cook families

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

Maurice_Winn — 2009-02-15 20:41:02Z

Hi again Luff.
I have that information from a printed family tree which I got from Uncle [Ernest] Bill Kirk and elsewhere. I made a typo on Bongard of Angmering Sussex [I inadvertently wrote Susses in my previous post]. If you would like a photocopy, give me an address to post it to. My email is M.a.u.r.i.c.e.W.i.n.nATGmail.com [leave out the .s so that MauriceWinn is all one word - apparently that helps avoid me getting spammed if you wonder why I wrote it like that]

Yes, there's increasing information on family histories as the disparate bits of information from around the world can find their way into a common pile, adding up to fairly complete history [going back 200 years]. Cyberspace is great.

Here's a link which might be useful: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausmcguire...

Gung Ho,
Maurice

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

silberwolf142 — 2009-02-15 20:30:02Z

Yes, Tim, Uncle Ross etc.
So who thought we aren't related (only about 4th cousins)?
Christopher is in N.Z. at the moment. So that makes John, Anthea and Chris at the same time. Tim should get in touch with them.
Why does Kaaren think we aren't related? I found her on Facebook too.
Angela

Anyone seeking missing relations

fionacarr53 — 2007-09-16 04:18:16Z

Try looking at convict lists for Australia. I have several Irish names for those who died on Norfolk Island and are buried there. Would be glad to try to assist any who wish.

Re: hannah pealing

stormypaddock — 2008-08-12 11:26:19Z

Hi Janice,
Yes Hannah PEELING was indicted for stealing a silver seal valued @ 5 Shillings...the property of Duncan Ross..her trial can be found at old-bailey online
Transported on board the Lady Jullianna to Port Jackson, arriving there 3rd June 1790
Sent to Norfolk Island, just eight weeks later, arriving at Norfolk Island 7th August.
Hannah aged 22 was married to Stephen MARTIN aged 44 on the 5th November 1791 by the Rev Richard Johnson.
A daughter Mary Ann was born to the Couple 12th November 1793..
Hannah died on Norfolk Island 27th August 1799..she has no known burial site...her death registered in N.S.W. B.D.Ms as Hannah PEELING

Steven MARTIN and daughter Mary Ann left Norfolk Island for Tasmania on the 3rd September 1808

cheers
Liz
Norfolk Island

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

Chris_Liavaa — 2008-02-03 04:13:49Z

Have you got a copy of his death certificate? He died in Auckland on 10 May 1897 aged 58 and is buried at O'Neill's Pt Cemetery? So he was born in 1839, and presumably married in the 1860s or 70s.
The death certificate may give his parents'names.

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

Chris_Liavaa — 2008-02-29 07:53:42Z

Sorry that last message got split in half. The lower part follows the cemetery part.

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

Chris_Liavaa — 2008-02-29 07:44:42Z

and his burial record at North Shore City, O'Neill's Point Cemetery

Cemetery burial details

BONGARD, James

Surname: BONGARD
Forename(s): James
Age: 58 Years

For further information please contact North Shore Memorial Park Cemetery and Crematorium. The office is open Monday to Friday 7.30am to 4pm, at 235 Schnapper Rock Rd, Albany. This is the only office and the contact point for all North Shore City cemeteries.

Otherwise the Melanesian Mission may have records from when he joined them, or possibly some shipping place. How and where did he qualify as Captain?
Gender: Male
Date of death: 10 May 1897
Date of burial: 12 May 1897
Funeral director: NO DIRECTOR - Contact ActionLine for more info
Cemetery: O'neill's Point Cemetery
King Edward Avenue, Bayswater
Location: Oneils Point Row H Plot 30

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

Chris_Liavaa — 2008-02-29 07:33:10Z

Here is his obituary, from Paperspast;

OBITUARY.
Evening Post, Volume LIII, Issue 109, 10 May 1897, Page 6

OBITUARY.
[by telegraph— press association.] Auckland. This Day. Captain Bongard, master of the mission yacht Southern Cross, died this morning after a long illness. He had been connected with the mission 21 years, joining the second Southern Cross as mate in 1871. He became captain of the third vessel in 1884, and brought out the present yacht in 1892.

Re: St John White Settled in 1920s

Chris_Liavaa — 2007-05-25 08:30:45Z

If this is him, he was in NZ during ww1
Surname WHITE
Given Name St John Aubrey
Category Second Reserves
Last NZ Address Benbow Terrace Rona Bay Wellington
Occupation Clerk
Classification B

You could check the Eastbourne/Rona Bay electoral rolls to see when the last entry was.

Do you think he went to Australia first? As far as I know shipping to Norfolk Island from NZ was pretty rare.
The shipping lists from Sydney are available on a couple of websites-
OZships, http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/page.htm

and Mariners & ships in Australian Waters
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/search.htm

On Archway there is an entry for probate for Arthur St John White in 1986, at Archives NZ Auckland
BAZZ 1570 Box3928 2347/1986
but they are closed at the moment for 6 months as they are moving to a new building in Mangere

Re: St John White Settled in 1920s

donandjude — 2008-09-08 04:26:45Z

St Aubrey White went to Norfolk Island with his son Nelson and family in 1931. Nelson and wife Sybil went to Australia in 1939/40 leaving daughter Leslie with her grandparents. Leslie left Norfolk Island in 1941 and travelled to Brisbane to be with Nelson and Sybil. St John and Ada left Norfolk Island in 1945 (when Sybil passed away) for Brisbane, Queensland

Welcome

NorfolkIsGenWeb — 2007-02-04 06:57:00Z

This board is for those researching family ties from Norfolk Island. Norfolk Island is a small inhabited island in the Pacific Ocean located between Australia, New Zealand and New Caledonia. Along with two neighbouring islands, it forms one of Australia's external territories.

This board is moderated by the Island Coordinator for the Norfolk Island GenWeb (NorfolkIsGenWeb). The NorfolkIsGenWeb is a non-profit, volunteer based organisation dedicated to providing genealogical and historical records and resources pertaining to the island of Norfolk.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ausnorfo

Re: St John White Settled in 1920s

grantboydnz — 2007-05-25 12:04:23Z

Thank you,
We ahve tracked him from UK to Australia, then australia to Nelson NZ. HE married in Nelson and had a child. I had teh Wellington address and recently found out, it is thought he went to Norfolk island. he died in Redcliffes, Queensland in 1950. Just trying to track down anyway we can track years ( if and when) he went back to australia of norfolk isalnd.

Thanks for the help.

regards

Grant

St John White Settled in 1920s

grantboydnz — 2007-05-25 00:10:57Z

Does anyone know how I can find when an ancestor went to Norfolk island. I know he lived in New Zealand in 1914, but went to Norfolk island and died in Queensland in 1950.

Doner/Dower/Dooner

vabre — 2008-01-18 20:16:21Z

My g,g,grandfather was John Dower sometimes shown as Doner, in Peter Mayberry's site, or Dooner. He was transported on the "Lord Sidmouth" in 1821. At some time he was supposedly transported on the "Sally" to Pt. Macquarie. Peter Mayberry states he was at Norfolk Island, could somebody be able to verify that for me please.

John in Sydney.

Re: Doner/Dower/Dooner

vabre — 2008-02-19 02:22:40Z

Thanks Liz,

He has been avoiding me for 5 years a few more won't matter.

John

hannah pealing

janiceaavik — 2008-06-27 08:10:42Z

Hi,
My name is Janice and my friend's ancestor was called Hannah Pealing and she was a convict, sent to Norfolk Island and dying there in 1799. She had a daughter, and after Hannah's death, the child and the father of the child, also a convict (I think his name was Steven Martin) were sent to Tasmania. Would there be a record of her burial anywhere and does anyone have any further information about Hannah. Many thanks.

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

Maurice_Winn — 2008-06-09 21:41:17Z

Hi Luff. James Bongard was born to George Bongard and Fanney B Corney who married sometime [I don't have a date]. George was the son of Bongard of Angmering, Susses [died in America], who was son of Bongard of Toures [sic], France [who fled to England during the French revolution].

Emily Rossiter was the first child of 10 born at Hatfield, Hertsfordshire and was interred at O'Neil's Point Cemetery [died 21 June 1934] at Devonport.

Emily's parents were Thomas Rossiter born 9 September 1830 married Charlotte Bissex born 29 April 1829.

Thomas was the 6th of 10 children of William Rossiter of Croscombe, Wells born 1782, died 29 Jan 1853 and Jane Rossiter born 28 February 1797.

The siblings of Emily Rossiter were

Helen born 5 December 1857, died 1897 at "Siot B.S.I.P." who married Henry Welsham MD at Norfolk Island
Wm Franks born 1860 died 1888
Harry [married somebody in Queensland]
Kate died 1866 age 3.5 years
Hardie born 2 September 1864 married May Robinson at Norfolk Island [they had children Daisy who married Tom Buffett, and William]
Blanche born 1868 at Norfolk Island died October 1948 at Auckland
Frederick died 1869 in infancy
Charlie married Ethel Robinson at Norfolk Island [had 4 children]
Mary born 11 November 1871, died 25 January 1941 in England, married Wm Thomson in England

Emily Rossiter married had 11 children [I'm one of her great grandchildren = Maurice Winn] I have the details of her descendants [some of them, mostly down the Agnes Bongard line, Agnes being her 4th child who married Ernest Kirk and had children James, Blanche and Ernest [Bill]]. edit... no formatting available?!!

Re: Welcome

peggusen — 2007-09-01 03:42:38Z

Hi, I am researching my Great x 4 Grand Father William Peate. Have only just found out he died 11/6/1795 Norfolk Island. Did William remarry while on Norfolk.? my Great x 3 Grand Mother. (Williams daughter,Anna I think) I can't find birth date for her. Only a marrage (1827)to Gullielmo MOORE in Tasmania. BUT, according to Tasmanian records. Gullielmo and Anna had one son Georgius in 1807, and another Johannes in 1827. I believe Johannes and Georguos to be twins. As both being baptized 27/12/1827 .
Is there any records I could fall back on, to clear this mess up?
Happiness

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

timjude_1 — 2009-01-20 04:53:32Z

silverwolf142,my partner Tim,is also interested in Emily and James.He is Uncle Ross's youngest son,and we don't have a huge amount of information,but we want more.Tim and David often talk about Nena,and we see Anthea and John not often enough.Would love to get in touch

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

silberwolf142 — 2008-12-12 10:11:57Z

Hi Kaaren,
I know you have been in touch with Linda, my cousin, here in the U.K.
Are you the family Nena Ridley knew in New Zealand, "Uncle Ross" etc.?
If so, then it would be good to be in touch. Linda has my email address.
David, Nena's son, was my husband. John and Anthea, his brother and sister, are still in N.Z.
Angela

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

luffme — 2009-02-15 18:20:13Z

Hi Angela,
Sorry, don't think we are! There are only a few of us in NZ with the name but it doesn't ring a bell for me.
Cheers
Kaaren

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

luffme — 2009-02-15 18:19:01Z

Hi Maurice,
Thanks for the info - whereabouts did you get the details on the Bongards from? I'm assuming it must be more than family lore.
After some checking on the internet it seems that a few trees have the same info, George & Fanny seem to be married on 19/06/1829, and Georges parents are John (or James), and Lucy Talmedge.
Cheers for your help!
Kaaren

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

luffme — 2008-02-27 08:44:50Z

Hi,

Thanks very much! i've also checked the death certificate so not sure which way to go now...

Cheers
Kaaren

cpt james bongard - wedding info

luffme — 2008-02-02 22:27:08Z

Hi,

I'm looking for information on Captain James Bongards' parents. He was captain of the 'southern cross' melanesian mission ship from 1870-ish to 1897, and made several trips each year to the mission on Norfolk Island.
In November 1877 he married Emily Rossiter (of Thomas Rossiter schoolteacher & Charlotte Bissex), and I'm looking to see what was registered as parents names (if any) when he got married.

Is anyone able to help me out with this? I've not been able to find any conclusive proof as yet of his parentage.

Many thanks
Kaaren Bongard

Looking for Places Of Rest

no9135 — 2008-02-18 23:02:22Z

Hi all,
I have been in search for the following four peoples place of rest to no avail, if anyone can give me any clues on where to try next it would be a great help

Sydney Herbert NOBBS Bn 27th May 1848 Pitcairn's Island
Parents - George Hunn NOBBS and Sarah (nee) Christian
Married 1. Adeline Sophia CHRISTIAN 3rd May 1869 Norfolk Island
2. Dora? (maybe in Australia) apparently Dora was from Canada, Sydney is said to have Changed his name to Sydney Nobbs Rawdon and died in England???

Edmund Joseph Napoleon QUINTAL Bn 11th November 1846 Pitcairn's Island
Parents Arthur QUINTAL ll and Martha QUINTAL
Married Elizabeth SNELL???? I am not sure if this record is correct as the only Elizabeth SNELL Bn on Norfolk Island died at the age of three. And have not been able to find any record of a marriage anywhere
Edmond Joseph Napoleon QUINTAL left Norfolk Island for Australia with no further record.

Almira Emeline CHRISTIAN Bn 24th December 1847 Pitcairn's Island
Parents Isaac CHRISTIAN and Miriam (nee) YOUNG
Married John McLIVER (of Auckland New Zealand) 21st May 1867 Norfolk Island
Returned to New Zealand with her husband and apparently died there.

Mary Louisa QUINTAL Bn 29th April 1855 Pitcairn's Island
Parents William QUINTAL and Maria (nee) CHRISTIAN
Married John Matthew Patteson QUINTAL 15th December 1874 Norfolk Island
Mary left Norfolk Island with her husband who had joined the Melanesian Mission and is thought to have died in New Zealand..

thanks again , any information or hints on where I might find more would be much appreciated
cheers
Liz
Norfolk Island

Re: Doner/Dower/Dooner

no9135 — 2008-02-18 23:00:31Z

Hi John,
Sorry have not been able to find him as yet but many of the convicts from Port Maquarie were sent to Norfolk Island when it was closed
cheers
Liz
Norfolk Island

Re: cpt james bongard - wedding info

no9135 — 2008-02-18 22:43:53Z

Kaaren,
Have Checked his marriage cert here on Norfolk Island, has no indication of who his parents were, the only information on it really was they were married on the 6th Nov 1877 by Bishop Selwyn of the Mission
chhers
Liz
Norfolk Island

Re: Doner/Dower/Dooner

no9135 — 2008-02-19 03:48:35Z

John,
I am pesently trying (In my spare time)to transcribe 100s of pages of second settlement records that I obtained from state archives when I was there, if I come across any mention of him I will let you know
cheers
Liz
Norfolk Island