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Walter Jardine SMAILL

jogregory121 — 2009-10-26 08:26:43Z

Andersons Bay Cemetery - Burials

Name: SMAILL Walter Jardine
Date: 25 Jun 1956
Reference number: 28375
Occupation: a retired farmer
Residence: 120 Highgate Dunedin
Age / Where born: 66 years / New Zealand
Informant: Hope & Kinaston
Notes: Cremation Register no 4585. Died at Braemar Hospital Dunedin. Ashes scattered.
Further enquiries to Dunedin Branch - NZSG
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NZ Probates

Name: SMAILL Walter Jardine
Place: Dunedin
Occupation: Retired Farmer
Court: Dunedin
Archives Reference: DAAC 9076 D239 0547/56
Probate Number: 0547/56
Filed Date: 20 Jul 1956
Type: Will

http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_...
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NZ Probates

Name: SMAILL Dorothy
Place: Levin
Occupation: Widow
Court: Palmerston North
Archives Reference: AAOY W3298 0340/67
Probate Number: 0340/67
Filed Date: 30 Jun 1967
Type: Will
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Re: Smaill and Bagley

jogregory121 — 2009-10-26 08:08:41Z

The only info I have that you haven't mentioned is:

William Cochran Smaill m Betsy Campbell Morrison in 1939

Agnes Beryl BAGLEY m Richard Llewellyn HUGHES in 1921

Harold George Whittingham BAGLEY m Frances Elvie Mavis McARTHUR In 1931

Harold Whittingham BAGLEY m Joan Shiela LISSETTE In 1947

Pleasance Anna BRIDGER m Roy Corti VANNINI In 1926
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Not sure if any of this will help:

War Graves

Name: SMAILL William Bagley
War:Second World War
Cemetery:Malmo, Sweden
Source Reference:Archives Ref 1A Series W1834
Number:F/L 42504
Died:27 Aug 1944
Age:32
Born:07 Jul 1912
More Info:No
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NZ Probates

Name:SMAILL William Bagley
Place:Auckland
Occupation:Farmer/RNZAF
Court:Wellington
Archives Reference:AAOM 6030 21614
Probate Number:21614
Filed Date:30 Oct 1946
Type:Intestate (Letters of Administration)
Further enquiries to Archives NZ - Wellington
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Full Name: Flight Lieutenant William Bagley Smaill
Rank Last Held: Flight Lieutenant
Forename(s): William Bagley
Surname: Smaill
War: World War II, 1939-1945
Military Awards: Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC)
Last Unit Served: Royal New Zealand Air Force, 7 (RAF)Squadron
Place of Death: Europe
Date of Death: 27 August 1944
Age at Death: 32
Year of Death: 1944

http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/27240.deta...
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NZ Probates

Name:SMAILL Charles Stewart
Place:Greenhithe
Occupation:Agriculturalst
Court:Auckland
Archives Reference:BBAE 1570 2172/56
Probate Number:2172/56
Filed Date:28 Sep 1956
Type:Will
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School Records (APWs)

Name:SMAILL Madeline Maud
School:Tomahawk
Register Number:006
Admission Date: 17 Feb 1886
Parent / Guardian: William Smaill
Address: Tomahawk
Birthdate: 01 May 1878
Last School: Lawrence District *
Last Day: 26 Dec 1890
Destination: Kaitangata
Comment: HKN 88/35/1/006 : * High
Further enquiries to Dunedin Branch - NZSG
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Andersons Bay Cremations

Name:FORBES James Smail
Date:20 Apr 1976
Reference number:18840
Occupation:A salesman
Residence:337 North Road, Invercargill
Age:56 years
Where Died:At his residence
Date Cremated: 23 Apr
Disposal: Ashes to relatives
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NZ Probates

Name:FORBES James Small
Place:Lochiel & Invercargill
Occupation:Salesman
Court:Invercargill
Archives Reference:DAFG 9069 D328 215/76
Probate Number:215/76
Filed Date:13 May 1976
Type:Will
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OVENS descendants - from Australia to New Zealand

kimelle_1 — 2009-10-26 00:58:11Z

I have a connection to a Thomas Frederick OVENS was born 27 May 1899 in Bundaberg, Qld, Australia. He died 12 May 1981 in Oamaru, North Otago, New Zealand.

Thomas married Stella PYGALL, daughter of William PYGALL and Ellen TONKIN, on 3 Nov 1926. Stella was born 27 Aug 1901. She died 1 Jul 1999 in Oamaru, North Otago, New Zealand.
I know they had children in Oamaru
I can assist if you would like information on OVENS ancestor's in Australia. I would like to find out more about the New Zealand connection.

Re: Helen LINDSAY (nee KILPATRICK)

wendyh651 — 2009-10-26 00:36:28Z

Hi Stewart,

"In my experience it's fairly normal to refer to married women by their maiden names in death notices, on memorial inscriptions and the like."

Not in New Zealand. These days at least, you're more likely to see "Jane DOE, nee BLOGGS", if there is a reference to her maiden name.

Nor is it customary here to keep the maiden name as a "middle" name like the Americans seem to, eg Jane Bloggs DOE. Some women hyphenate the two names, eg Jane BLOGGS-DOE.

That isn't to say that one of these conventions wasn't used by the woman you're looking for. Just don't assume that a custom from one country is a custom in another. :-)

"The death seems to have been registered by the medical attendant rather than a relative... so I'm wondering if this is the reason these details are sketchy."

That is normal here, the funeral director is usually the one to register the death, using information supplied by the grieving family.

Is the informant's name readable on your printout? If you share it with us we may be able to help you further.

Hope this helps. :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
--
Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wendyh65/

Andis (Anders) Wi(c)kland

timresearchjenkins — 2009-10-25 23:21:51Z

I'm researching the above who lived in Otago c. 1875 - 1905 lived in North East Valley, Dunedin and Hampden, then Otautau. A carpenter? contractor? farmer?

b:08 Nov 1852 in Sabra,Västernorrland, Sweden
m: Margaret Reid in Dunedin 1885.
Several Children, including Vitor Wicklund who became a minister in Riverton Southland.
d:02 Feb 1946 in Otautau, Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: R. Riddle, Blacksmith

eamespatricia — 2009-10-25 23:21:21Z

Thank you. It is good to fill out a bit of my grandfather's life.

Smaill and Bagley

Anceas — 2009-10-22 21:32:57Z

I work at the City Archives in Malmo and am researching the 10 allied airmen who are buried here. These men are virtually anonymous today and I think they deserve to be remembered, not only for their brave sacrifice, but also for who they were. This is why I am tryng to find out as much as possible about each of them.

One of them is William Bagley Smaill, born in Dunedin in 1912, the son of Charles Stewart Smaill and Margaret, nee Bagley.Charles Stewart Smaill was born in 1882, the son of William Smaill (b.1839 in Scotland-d.1905 in Kaitangata) and Magdalene Maud Stewart (1849-1913). His wife Margaret Bagley was born in 1881, daughter of Benjamin Bagley (1845-1830) and Annie Grounds (1856-1941).

William Bagley Smaill volunteered for the RNZAF in 1941 and was trained as a Lancaster bomber pilot. In February 1944 he was posted to no 7 (Pathfinder) Squadron (RAF) where he piloted many successful operations and was awarded the DFC. On his 43rd operation on 27 August 1944, to Kiel in Germany, he and his crew were reported missing. His body was found washed ashore in southern Sweden on 22 September 1944 and he was buried here in my hometown of Malmo.

Unfortunately I have come up with very little about William Bagley Smaill, His parents are (of course) both deceased, his three sisters have also passed away and neither of them had any children. SO I am hoping that there could be cousins, or cousins children still in the Dunedin area who will remember the family. The big question is: can you in any way help me locate any living relatives???

He and his family moved to Auckland around 1918, but I think their relatives mostly stayed in the Dunedin area.

The aunts and uncles on his father Charles Stewart Smaill´s side are:

1: Madeleine Maud Smaill
1 May 1878-7 Oct 1950
Maybe married in 1914 to James Rettie Forbes 1881-1938
Possible child James Smaill Forbes, 1920-20/4 1976 Invercargill

2: Isabella Thomson Smaill
3 May 1880-5 Oct 1960
MAybe married in 1914 to Arthur John France 1886-1965

3: William Jardine Smaill
1884-1884, 9 months old

4: William Cochran Smaill
1886-21 April 1961 Timaru
wife Betsy Campbell Smaill, died 10 April 1969 Timaru, 81 yrs old

5: Margaret Jane Smaill10/2 1888-1/12 1920

6: Walter Jardine Smaill
18/9 1889-26/6 1956 died in Dunedin
Maybe married in 1914 to Dorothy Winmill,1891 -1967

His mother Margaret Bagley was the daughter of Benjamin Bagley and his second wife Annie Grounds. She had many siblings:

Half-siblings:
1: Amelia Bagley
1870-1956

2: Benjamin Bagley
1872-1945
married in 1896 to Mabel McMillan
Children:
Mabel Joyce, 1898-1903
Cedric John, 1896-1966. married to Kathleen Grace 1896-1966
Agnes Beryl, 1899
Harold George Whittingham, 1908-1969

3: George Bagley
1873-1960
married in 1904 to Eliza Prictor
Child:
Nora Lesley, 1909-1916

4: Mary Bagley
1875-1960

Full siblings
5: Hellen Bagley
1876-????

6: John Dudley Bagley
1876-1959

7: Harriet Ann Bagley
1880-1896

8: Jessie Elizabeth Gilchrist Bagley
1883-1950
Married in 1904 to John Ernest Bridger 1887-1957
Child: Pleasance Anna, 1905

9: Richard Bagley
1885-1960
Maybe married in 1917 to Violet Emily Doleman 1893-1959

10: Fanny Bagley
1888-???
married in 1912 to William Arthur Brown

11: Alice Grounds Bagley
4/7 1890-1981
married in 1911 to Robert Maynard Gurr 14/10 1884- 1974

12: James Harold Bagley
1893-1972 died in Dunedin
married in 1922 to Emmie Margaret Roy 29/3 1895-1980

13: Eric Alexander Bagley
1895-1978
married in 1923 to Ruth Alison Gardiner 25/9 1901-1987

14: Grace Bagley
1898-
married in 1920 to John Richard Scott

Any help at all that you can give me will be most appreciated.

Sincerely.
Anette Sarnas
Archives Assistant
Malmo City Archives

Helen LINDSAY (nee KILPATRICK)

Stewart_Ritchie — 2009-10-18 05:43:10Z

I have recently come across the following death notice in the Otago Witness from 1905:

"LINDSAY. - On the 16th October, at her daughters residence, Burnside, Helen Kilpatrick, the beloved wife of William Lindsay; in her seventy-sixth year. Paisley, Manchester and Melbourn papers please copy."

I am trying to find Helen Kilpatrick, the aunt of my Great Great Grandfather, William Lindsay Kilpatrick.

I have a lot of other bits of circumstantial evidence that all point to this beig her.

Can anyone give me some pointers on NZ BMD records? I found my way to the official website: http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz

And I now have a reg number for the record I'm after 1905/7281.

Am I going to have to pay 26 NZD for the certificate (on an informed hunch), or are there other sources for BMDs?

TIA

Stewart Ritchie

Re: Seeking NZ relatives - Howard Family/ Fache Family/ LeCourteur (?) family

takakiwi — 2009-10-18 05:41:51Z

Hi Paula

Le Couteur may be a family that you're seeking - phone listings are at http://yellow.co.nz/whitepages/search/new+zealand/le+couteur...

Good luck
Sue

Haughtons of Roxburgh

tm_rc — 2009-10-17 00:48:07Z

I am researching the family of Joseph Henry Haughton of Roxburgh. He was initially a gold miner and later became a farmer. He died on 27 May 1908 in Roxburgh.
Is there anyone who lives in Roxburgh who can tell me if there is a local library or a source of Roxburgh historical records.
Thanks.

Alfred Sutton Penny

eamespatricia — 2009-10-07 09:16:14Z

Alfred Sutton Penny was born 1903. His parents were Mary Ellen and Alfred Ernest Penny. I think he was born in Dunedin, possibly Palmerston (South) Does anyone know what happened to him after that?

Re: KNIGHTS & RUSHTON families - DUNEDIN

nzdanenz — 2009-10-05 06:39:18Z

Many many thanks for your info! Concerning the "other" marriage of Emma Sophia Ruston: there is something wrong here: possibly a transposition of names with a sister(?). Concerning the two Walters - there are definitely two (of this I am certain). The VERY interesting snippet is that the one who died in 1901 had death reported in North Otago Deaths - WHY HERE? There are a number of researchers trying to find what heppened to a Walter K - father of James Anderson K. This Walter K: b 1820 in Norfolk; to Aust c 1853; son James A K born 1859 in Warrnambool. James to NZ c. 1882 (no details at all). There is a MINOR hint that Walter came to NZ, but nothing at all concrete. I have the Walter K who died in Gisborne - have his archive records.... are THEY the same? There is some good info that Walter K (father of James) died at age 84 (= d o d 1904) from an accident - absolutely nothing else known. James died in Seacliff, and I have his full medical records. Are you a "professional researcher", or...?
Again, thanks for the info! Let me know if I can assist you.
Roger Knights

Re: Andis (Anders) Wi(c)kland

timresearchjenkins — 2009-10-04 18:11:21Z

Thank you so much for this - really helpful and interesting. If you come accross any more, please let me know.

Re: KNIGHTS & RUSHTON families - DUNEDIN

jogregory121 — 2009-09-30 10:06:25Z

School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Arthur
School:Oamaru South
Register Number:8245
Admission Date:26 Oct 1908
Parent / Guardian:James KNIGHTS
Address:Mersey St
Birthdate:25 Sep 1903
Last Day:17 Oct 1912
Destination:Invercargill
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School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Arthur Robert
School:Invercargill South
Register Number:7453
Admission Date:1912
Parent / Guardian:Mrs Knights
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Matching NZ Bride and Groom Records

Name:KNIGHTS Arthur Robert
Date:1940
Folio:12295
Spouse: LANDMAN Phyllis Ruth (B:6 Feb 1902 - D:1986)
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Arthur Robert KNIGHTS Died 1993
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It seems Emma Sophia KNIGHTS (nee:RUSTON) was born in NZ in 1863 (ref:1863/4362).
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I also found that her first son that was named Walter had this full name:
Walter James Anderson KNIGHTS

That would mean the info I gave you regarding Walter knight's death in 1901 was wrong, here is his info below:
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Matching NZ Bride and Groom Records

Name:KNIGHTS Walter James Anderson
Date:1924
Folio:03376
Spouse:GOUGH Lillian Florence (B:7 July 1896-D:1999)
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NZ Probates

Name:KNIGHTS Walter Jamess Anderson
Place:Auckland
Occupation:Comm Traveller
Court:Auckland
Archives Reference:BBAE 1570 1595/66
Probate Number:1595/66
Filed Date:28 Jun 1966
Type:Will
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These 2 web-sites might give you more info

http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/Search

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

Re: KNIGHTS & RUSHTON families - DUNEDIN

jogregory121 — 2009-09-30 09:43:46Z

School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Stanley
School:Oamaru North
Register Number:3243/3
Admission Date:5 Feb 1900
Parent / Guardian:Mr KNIGHTS
Address:Eden St
Birthdate:18 Dec 1894
Last School:Nil
Last Day:12 Sep 1902
Destination:SS
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School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Stanley
School:Oamaru South
Register Number:7618
Admission Date:22 Sep 1902
Parent / Guardian:Mr James KNIGHTS
Address:Mersey St Oamaru
Birthdate:18 Dec 1894
Last School:North School I
Last Day:19 Dec 1907
Destination:Waitaki Boys HS
Comment:Std VI
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Matching NZ Bride and Groom Records

Name:KNIGHTS Stanley
Date:1921
Folio:01331
Spouse:HAYNES Phyllis Marie Kathleen (B:2 Oct 1900-D:1985)
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Andersons Bay Cemetery - Burials

Name:KNIGHTS Stanley
Date:15 Dec 1949
Reference number:21727
Occupation:an invalid
Residence:139 St David Street
Came from:Montecillo Home
Age / Where born:54 years / New Zealand
Burial date:16 Dec
Class/Plt 1/Plt 2/Blk:C / 3 / - / SF 12
Informant:Hugh Gourley Ltd
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Andersons Bay Cremations

Name:KNIGHTS Phyllis Marie Kathleen
Date:10 Jun 1985
Reference number:26680
Occupation:Widow
Residence:St Lukes Hospital South Dunedin
Age:84 years
Where Died:At her residence
Date Cremated:13 Jun
Disposal:Ashes interred Andersons Bay Cemetery Dunedin
Burial Plot:106
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Re: KNIGHTS & RUSHTON families - DUNEDIN

jogregory121 — 2009-09-30 09:34:54Z

Matching NZ Bride and Groom Records

Name:KNIGHTS James Anderson
Date:1887
Folio:1575
Spouse:RUSTON Emma Sophia

( Emma may have been married before? as I found a marriage for a Emma Sophia RUSTON married Alexander HENDERSON in 1895)
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North Otago Deaths

Name:KNIGHTS James Anderson
Date:4 Jan 1912
Page:180
Further enquiries to Oamaru Branch - NZSG
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Emma Sophia & James Anderson KNIGHTS children born in NZ

1889 Walter KNIGHTS
1891 Alice Emily KNIGHTS
1895 Stanley KNIGHTS
1903 Arthur Robert KNIGHTS
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School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Walter
School:Oamaru North
Register Number:2606/3
Admission Date:2 Oct 1894
Parent / Guardian:Mr KNIGHTS
Address:Eden St
Birthdate:23 Mar 1889
Last School:Nil
Last Day:11 Apr 1902
Destination:Unknown
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North Otago Deaths

Name:KNIGHTS Walter
Date:30 Jun 1901
Page:92
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NZ Probates

Name:KNIGHTS Walter
Place:Gisborne
Occupation:Gardener
Death Date:30 Jun 1901
Court:Wellington
Archives Reference:AAOM 6029 7425
Probate Number:7425
Filed Date:1 Aug 1901
Type:Intestate (Letters of Administration)
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School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Alice
School:Oamaru North
Register Number:2822/3
Admission Date:18 Aug 1896
Parent / Guardian:Jas KNIGHTS
Address:Eden St
Birthdate:06 Mar 1891
Last School:Nil
Last Day:12 Sep 1902
Destination:SS
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School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Alice Emily
School:Oamaru South
Register Number:7603
Admission Date:21 Sep 1902
Parent / Guardian:Mr Jas KNIGHTS
Address:Mercey St Oamaru
Birthdate:06 Mar 1891
Last School:North School
Last Day:18 Sep 1903
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School Records (APWs)

Name:KNIGHTS Alice Emily
School:Oamaru South
Register Number:7609
Admission Date:22 Sep 1902
Parent / Guardian:Mr Jas KNIGHTS
Address:Mersey St Oamaru
Birthdate:06 Mar 1891
Last School:North School IV
Last Day:01 Apr 1904
Comment:Std VI
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Matching NZ Bride and Groom Records

Name:KNIGHTS Alice Emily (D:1956)
Date:1921
Folio:07990
Spouse:BRASH Alexander Dow (B:30 April 1888 -D:1976)
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Karori Cemetery (Inscriptions) - Wellington

Area/Block/Row/Plot: 12/FE/06/006
Description: In Loving Memory Of Alice Emily BRASH died 4 Oct 1956 a 65 yrs
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Nelson Newspaper Index

Name:BRASH Alexander Dow
Date:9 May 1976
Year:1976
Page:44
Event:Death
Age:88
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NZ Probates

Name:BRASH Alexander Dow
Place:Nelson
Occupation:Retired
Court:Nelson
Archives Reference:AAOO 17073 W5410 132/76
Probate Number:132/76
Filed Date:15 Jun 1976
Type:Will
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Re: Helen LINDSAY (nee KILPATRICK)

Stewart_Ritchie — 2009-09-30 08:41:40Z

Thanks for your reply.

I am particularly looking for a Helen Kilpatrick who married William Lindsay in 1853 (before vanishing completely from the Scottish census records after 1861), I have always assumed she emigrated.

Helen would have been born in Paisley, Scotland. Her age would have made her 76 in 1905.

In my experience it's fairly normal to refer to married women by their maiden names in death notices, on memorial inscriptions and the like.

Anyway, I have already done as you suggested and ordered the 'printout', although it just adds to the general confusion as it gives her father's name as John Kilpatrick (occupation 'Gentleman') and no clue as to her mother.

The death seems to have been registered by the medical attendant rather than a relative... so I'm wondering if this is the reason these details are sketchy.

On the plus side, it confirms she had been resident in NZ for 40 years, which would tie in with rest of the picture I'm building up. And it gives the gender and age of 4 children (some of which would have been born in NZ). I know that the eldest child was born in Scotland.

Thanks again for your advice...

Re: Helen LINDSAY (nee KILPATRICK)

Lrainz — 2009-09-29 22:53:56Z

Hi Stewart

Isn't this (1905) lady's name "Helen Kilpatrick LINDSAY" ?

It doesn't necessarily follow that her maiden name was "Kilpatrick" ?? (She may well have been
Helen Kilpatrick SMITH or JONES or somesuch, before marrying Mr LINDSAY) ??

When purchasing any NZ BDM record, you should request a printout (rather than a certificate). A printout generally offers more information and is also less costly than a certificate (you'll find also the NZ BDM now recommend this "printout" option, on their website).

I don't see any Helen KILPATRICK marriages on the NZ index
- nor a William LINDSAY marrying anyone named "Helen". That possibly suggests that Helen K. LINDSAY (above), arrived in New Zealand as a married woman ?

Does the Helen you are seeking, have a connection with Paisley or Manchester ?

What other "bits of circumstantial evidence" do you have ?

Re: Islandmagee to New Zealand sisters Agnes & Margaret HILL

EEketone — 2009-09-14 08:52:59Z

Hi,
Once we get back another generation we may find a link, seeing as they lived so close, u never know

Re: Islandmagee to New Zealand sisters Agnes & Margaret HILL

EEketone — 2009-09-11 23:33:52Z

Hi I am wondering if your Hill family could connect with my Hill Family. My ggggrandfather came to NZ with the 57th reg from India in 1860. He was born in 1820 in Magheramorne, Larne, Antrim. His parents were Robert Hill and Jane Wright. He had brothers Samuel,killed in NZ in 1863, Robert, 1836 -1906 died NZ, Robert who lived in NZ for a time and John Hill baptized Larne-Inver parish 1822. heres hoping Evelyn

KNIGHTS & RUSHTON families - DUNEDIN

nzdanenz — 2009-08-31 04:51:11Z

I am still looking for info on James Anderson KNIGHTS: his arrival date in NZ from Aust, (pre 1887, when he was married in Knox Church, Dunedin) and details of descendants. I have some info on his four children, but not a lot. I also have info on Aust ancestors, and am happy to reciprocate with info I have. Could "wedwards" on ancestry.com please contact me.
Roger Knights

Re: Cemetery Visit - Oamaru

nzdanenz — 2009-08-31 04:39:28Z

My g/f is buried there - it is a VERY large cemetery - the sexton there was most helpful - perhaps if you wrote (snail-mail) to the sexton, c/- Oamaru City Council etc etc, you should get somewhere.
Good Luck,
Roger Knights

Re: What is 'The Island' in Roxburgh?

BarryWilliams19 — 2009-05-24 10:22:04Z

Yes Sean it was Andrew Taylor rabbit hunting when I read the story and the other hunter said he was a crack shot raise his rifle with left hand and took aim on right shoulder i then realised yes he had no right arm blown off in Scotland.
thanks Barry

Re: What is 'The Island' in Roxburgh?

BarryWilliams19 — 2009-05-22 11:03:24Z

hey there Sean where did you find the info re the Island in a book somewhere?
Barry

Re: JOHN SCOTT - NEW ZEALAND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR VETERAN

jamesmgray1 — 2009-05-16 10:23:22Z

I want to thank everyone who as assisted me with informtion.

Re: Andrews, King, Goble

amandadickson88 — 2009-05-19 06:20:12Z

I just had a quick look at the archives and I didn't find a index for Emma Goble (the online database is not complete) however I did find someone who was possibly related: given the Brown surname and Goble as a given name.

BROWN Ernest Goble - Dunedin - Retired 1986 - 1986
agency series accession box / item record part alternative no.
DAAC 9076 D349 21 759/86
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
This may give details in the probate to further family names.

In error I mentioned in my last post of Emma's sons in WWI, however they would be her grandsons.

Re: Mary Helen McKinlay

amandadickson88 — 2009-05-28 12:19:07Z

The sanitorium was probably a TB hospital/retreat. You may find out lots about it by looking at old newspapers:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/
(this site can be searched for exact dates by process of elimination ie. try 01/01/1883 to 30/06/1883 and keep narrowing the search by half... etc...
marriage
1904/4016 Mary Helen McKinley William Clingin
1920/10511 Mary Helen Clingin Alfred Louis Groves

births
1883/4744 McKinlay Mary Helen, Elizabeth, Robert
born 11 January 1883

deaths
1918/15598 Clingin William 45Y

burial
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname CLINGIN
Given Names William
Year of Death 1918
Record Number n/r
Record Type B/R
Age n/r
Location Invercargill Cremations & Burials T01.40

There are other Clingin burials in the same cemetery for 1956 & 1979.

Glenorchy burials:
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname CLINGIN
Given Names John W J
Year of Death 1936
Record Number 11
Record Type B/R
Age 34
Location Glenorchy: 1863-1980: S.05.05

and this same person???:
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname CLINGIN
Given Names John William
Year of Death 1936
Record Number 49
Record Type M/I
Age 35
Location Glenorchy Cemetery Central Otago S05.05

Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname MACKINLAY
Given Names Essie Arundel
Year of Death 1902
Record Number 37
Record Type B/R
Age 17
Location Glenorchy: 1863-1980: S.05.05

Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname MACKINLAY
Given Names Walter
Year of Death 1907
Record Number 38
Record Type B/R
Age 16
Location Glenorchy: 1863-1980: S.05.05

The last two burials you should be able to refine and find on the historical website for BDM, as above. The parents Elizabeth and Robert you may also find details on the BDM site.

two entries for Mary, one burial and one for M/I (monument)

Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname GROVES
Given Names Mary Helen
Year of Death 1968
Record Number 24
Record Type B/R
Age 86
Location Glenorchy: 1863-1980: S.05.05

Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname GROVES
Given Names Mary Helen
Year of Death 1968
Record Number 52
Record Type M/I
Age 86
Location Glenorchy Cemetery Central Otago S05.05

one for her husband:
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname GROVES
Given Names Alfred Lewis
Year of Death 1965
Record Number 52
Record Type M/I
Age 85
Location Glenorchy Cemetery Central Otago S05.05

also in same cemetery
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche
Surname GROVES
Given Names Huntly
Year of Death 1975
Record Number 53
Record Type M/I
Age 61
Location Glenorchy Cemetery Central Otago S05.05

because the last three are M/I's you will have to check the burials records found at major NZ libraries to see if they are buried here as well.

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/130/cenotaph-database/
no records for William Clingin WWI

http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
No records for Mary or William

1893 Electoral roll: four records under Mary McKinlay, three which may be relevant. All 3 living in or near Dunedin. (one is listed for Port Chalmers and an Elizabeth is listed for P.C as well)
No records on roll for a William Clingin or his surname only.

There is a school record:
School Records (APWs)

Name
CLINGIN William
School
Caversham
Register Number
0668
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
16 Jul 1883
Parent / Guardian

Address
Caversham
Birthdate
30 Jun 1875
Last School

Last Day
20 Feb 1884
Destination

Comment
HKN 26/82/J/0668 :
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

which could be your William although the death age does not line up exactly.

There are also school records for Essie and Walter if you would like them.

There is a marriage cert at the NZSG
NZSG Certificates Collection which could be your Mary (if you narrow down on the BDM site and discover they are the same date you will know she married at Arrowtown.

Name
McKINLAY Mary
Date
14 Feb 1904
Event

Place
Arrowtown OTG NZ
Reference
CTF21734-002
Further enquiries to
NZSG Certificates Collection

There are records of Elizabeth and Robert McKinlay in the NZ First Families Collection.They could be Mary's parents. if I get time in the next couple of days I will look them up for you.

The probate/will for Alfred is held at Dunedin archives:
Name
GROVES Alfred Lewis
Place
Glenorchy
Occupation
Retired Farmer
Death Date

Court
Invercargill
Archives Reference
DAFG 9069 D328 208/65
Probate Number
208/65
Filed Date
6 May 1965
Type
Will
Comments

Further enquiries to
Archives NZ - Dunedin

Hope this helps for a starter.
Amanda

Re: What is 'The Island' in Roxburgh?

amandadickson88 — 2009-05-25 10:01:17Z

For the sake of being exact... if you are writing history articles or a family history....

I see the story talks about rabbit hunting BELOW the mouth.. from Tuapeka... the area may be known as 'the island'... however please do not confuse the area towards the Tuapeka Mouth as being 'Roxburgh' as The Island at Roxburgh is "up" the Clutha, north west of Tuapeka, not "down" the Clutha or south.

Re: Mary Helen McKinlay

amandadickson88 — 2009-07-12 08:30:22Z

You will note the birth date in the school records does not match with the death age of this Walter, however given where the family lived I think this is a probability.

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Walter
School
Caversham
Register Number
1688
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
13 Jun 1892
Parent / Guardian

Address
Darley
Birthdate
15 May 1887
Last School
None
Last Day
22 Jun 1892
Destination
Sickness 72
Comment
HKN 26/82/J/1688 :
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Walter
School
Caversham
Register Number
0072
Former Reg. No
1688
Admission Date
20 Feb 1893
Parent / Guardian

Address
Caversham
Birthdate
15 May 1887
Last School
Caversham
Last Day
30 Mar 1893
Destination
Left district
Comment
HKN 26/82/L/0072 :
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Walter
School
Outram
Register Number
0693
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
24 Apr 1893
Parent / Guardian
Mr McKinlay
Address
Outram
Birthdate
15 May 1887
Last School
Caversham
Last Day
25 Jun 1894
Destination
Strath Taieri
Comment
HKN AG465/1/0693:
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Walter
School
Strath Taieri
Register Number
269
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
10 Mar 1894
Parent / Guardian
Robert McKinlay
Address
Dunedin
Birthdate
15 May 1887
Last School
Outram
Last Day
20 Dec 1894
Destination
Dunedin
Comment
HKN 93/017/1/269:
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG
---------------------------
This record seems out of place, cannot see how she was enroled at 2 different schools at same time, however the enrol/leave dates may be incorrect:

School Records (APWs)

Name
MCKINLAY Essie
School
Naseby
Register Number
855
Former Reg. No

Admission Date

Parent / Guardian
CARTER Mrs
Address
Naseby
Birthdate
04 Jun 1884
Last School

Last Day
05 Nov 1897
Destination
Dunedin
Comment

Further enquiries to
Alexandra Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Essie
School
Caversham
Register Number
1643
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
2 Mar 1891
Parent / Guardian

Address
Caversham
Birthdate
04 Jun 1884
Last School
Kensington
Last Day
30 Mar 1893
Destination
Left district
Comment
HKN 26/82/K/1643 :
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Essie
School
Outram
Register Number
0689
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
10 Apr 1893
Parent / Guardian
Mr McKinlay
Address
Outram
Birthdate
04 May 1884
Last School
Caversham
Last Day
20 Dec 1893
Destination
Strath Taieri
Comment
HKN AG465/1/0689:
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
MCKINLAY Essie
School
Naseby
Register Number
855
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
5 Oct 1897
Parent / Guardian
CARTER Mrs
Address
Naseby
Birthdate
04 Jun 1884
Last School

Last Day
05 Nov 1897
Destination
Dunedin
Comment

Further enquiries to
Alexandra Branch - NZSG

School Records (APWs)

Name
McKINLAY Essie Arundel
School
Strath Taieri
Register Number
268
Former Reg. No

Admission Date
10 Mar 1894
Parent / Guardian
Robert McKinlay
Address
Dunedin
Birthdate
04 Jun 1884
Last School
Outram
Last Day
20 Dec 1894
Destination
Dunedin
Comment
HKN 93/017/1/268:
Further enquiries to
Dunedin Branch - NZSG

I have not been able to establish if any records in the First Family collection are your Robert without more family surnames to go by.

Cemetery Visit - Oamaru

rachelhulks — 2009-08-26 23:21:17Z

Looking for some assistance with a visit/photos of Oamaru Cemetery headstones. I'm in Australia so proving very difficult!

Re: Searching for Miss Smith

rachelhulks — 2009-05-18 10:58:33Z

Hi Sophie,
I have some Hazeldine/Thomas connections from Westport and Denniston. I am wondering if there is a connection somewhere...
My link is Benjamin Thomas Jnr who married a Sarah Hazeldine. Also my GGG Grandmother was Mary Ann Thomas, and after the death of her husband she married a Thomas Hazeldine in Westport.
Ay links?

Re: Mary Helen McKinlay

boatiesgirl — 2009-08-14 08:55:04Z

l would like the school records of the other children as well as mary too, thanks a lot!

Re: Mary Helen McKinlay

boatiesgirl — 2009-07-31 08:40:03Z

Thank you for all this information,l really appriciate it! l thought shed dropped off the face of the earth! Mary

Mary Helen McKinlay

boatiesgirl — 2009-07-26 07:03:41Z

Mary Helen Mckinlay was born in 1884. l would like to know her marriage and death dates.
Also, was there a sanitorium or hospital at Glenorchy in the early 1900s as her brother and sister died at "lake Wakatipu" re the in memorial notices.

Bain Family Info please

suesmith10_1 — 2009-05-31 02:40:40Z

Hi

I'm looking for more information on my great grandparents - Charles Bain and his wife Margaret (Baxter?) Wood. I believe they would have been born in the 1880/1890's.

Thank you.

Mary Ellen Frame

eamespatricia — 2009-09-25 05:49:36Z

Does anyone know what happened to Mary Ellen Frame who was born in 1880, probably in Omaru,NZ and who married Alfred Ernest Penny in 1903. They lived in Palmerston South. AE Penny disappeared after 1907. Her father James Francis Frames was an engine driver in Auckland. Did she remarry, move or what?

R. Riddle, Blacksmith

eamespatricia — 2009-09-26 12:05:55Z

Does anyone have any information about a blacksmith R. Riddle (or it could be Kiddle) working in Dunedin at the end of th 19thC?
My grandfather Alfred Ernest Penny (b 1882 Port Chalmers)said he had been apprenticed to this person in his enlisting papers when he joined the AIF in 1915.

Re: Mary Ellen Frame

eamespatricia — 2009-09-26 03:19:36Z

Wonderful. Thank you.

DR RICHARD TUALLY - DUNEDIN AREA

Doublelane52 — 2009-09-16 10:09:50Z

Dr. Tually born circa 1836 of Swiss origin resided Dunedin Area around 1865 to 1867 possibly as medical practitioner or School Teacher. Trying to find any entries for him in Directories or Newspapers or on official records during this era. Claims medical papers destroyed by fire in Dunedin. Returned to Hamilton, Victoria, Australia in 1867 took up teaching. Anyone who can help or offer suggestions on how to trace him appreciated.

Re: Mary Ellen Frame

BDemmocks — 2009-09-25 11:46:07Z

Marriage: 1930, folio 07015, Mary Ellen PENNY/James Ernest PORT

http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_...

Regards, Bronwen

Re: Andis (Anders) Wi(c)kland

BDemmocks — 2009-09-26 23:01:29Z

Surname WIKLAND
Given Name Andis
Number 4150
Electorate Chalmers
Voting Qualification Residential
Residential Address Hawthorne North East Valley
Occupation Carpenter
Ref: NZ 1893 Electoral Roll
Surname WIKLAND
Given Name Margaret Stevenson
Number 4151
Electorate Chalmers
Voting Qualification Residential
Residential Address Hawthorne North East Valley
Occupation Domestic duties
Ref: NZ 1893 Electoral Roll

Also listed here:
http://caversham.otago.ac.nz/electors/erform.php

http://marvin.otago.ac.nz/oni/

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

Regards, Bronwen

Re: R. Riddle, Blacksmith

BDemmocks — 2009-09-26 22:47:29Z

Surname RIDDLE
Given Name Robert
Number 2215
Electorate Waihemo
Voting Qualification Residential
Residential Address Palmerston
Occupation Blacksmith
Ref: 1893 NZ Electoral Roll

He appears to be listed here in the Trades Database:
http://caversham.otago.ac.nz/trades/trform.php

You could also try Paperspast:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

Regards, Bronwen

McLaren family

hconnor133 — 2009-07-01 03:03:37Z

I am searching out information on the McLaren family's arrival in NZ. Hugh McLaren married jean Douglas in 1859 in Scotland and does not appear on the 1861 Scotland Census - had a daughter Janet in 1862 in Dunedin and Catherine in 1866 in Oamaru - any information would be wonderful

Re: What is 'The Island' in Roxburgh?

SeanOConnell500 — 2009-05-24 06:34:37Z

Hi Barry,

I can't remember exactly where I found the info on the Island but I probally got it from paperspast online. If it's the rabbit hunting story then it was paperspast.

Sean

Re: Islandmagee to New Zealand sisters Agnes & Margaret HILL

suehill190 — 2009-09-12 01:30:31Z

Hi Evelyn
I am not sure at this point if there is a connection. My gg grandfather James Hill was born in Magheramorne in 1834 it was his 2 sisters that immigrated to New Zealand and they where both born on Islandmagee. Now James father was also called James and he died 1858 age 62. He had 4 siblings Isabella died 1867 age 75 - John died 1849 age 57 - Samuel died 1850 age 59 - Robert died 1866 age 70. I don't have names of who my James siblings married at this time.
Sue

Suicide or Murder??

banddprice — 2009-06-14 03:22:10Z

Can someone look up The Otago Daily Paper, around 21 May 1940, for news of a shooting of Rebecca Hewitt, at Naseby. She was my aunt, and her death cert says ''Verdict of Jury, death caused by gunshot wound self inflicted while in a depressed state of mind'' The family always said her husband, Moses, murdered her. There were 2 young sons who were apparently ill treated.
Dorothy

Re: Searching for Miss Smith

SophieFrizzell — 2009-05-21 19:12:46Z

Hi,
we are definately linked on the Hazeldine side.

Your Sarah was grandaughter of Thomas Hazeldine and Sarah Clegg, My line comes through from Thomas and Sarahs son Solomon who married Eliza Ann Bate.
Send me an email to salevey@xtra.co.nz, and I can fill you in some more.

Re: Mary Helen McKinlay

barryjan146 — 2009-05-27 01:33:42Z

Hi,
these marriages could be connected
year 1904 folio 4590 Mary Helen MCKINLEY (yes thats the spelling) and William CLINGIN, he died c1918(according to Inv Burial and cremations Index, there is also a marriage of Mary Helen McKINLEY to Alfred Lewis GROVES folio 1920. cant find her burial,but on the archway (Archives N Z website there is a link http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?OID=13703523 possible probate/Will details for Mary Helen GROVES year 1908 and the address was Glenorchy. not sure if they are connected but worth a look,

Jan

Re: JOHN SCOTT - NEW ZEALAND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR VETERAN

barryjan146 — 2009-05-16 09:08:23Z

This is also about family,
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc04Cycl-t1-body1-d7-...
and is worth a look at,
Jan

Seeking NZ relatives - Howard Family/ Fache Family/ LeCourteur (?) family

paula_weedon — 2009-08-23 08:42:10Z

Hi
Am looking to find any relatives that are still living in NZ as would love to get in touch and share family histories.

James Howard Married Ruth Trout - had 4 children Ruth & Catherine (died young) emily gertrude and Charlie Howard moved back to the UK circa late 1890's after the death of James Howard in a mining accident.

James's brother - PETER Howard b 1837 Somerset married Amelia Genery and had 2 children - Peter Howard (killed WW1) and Amy Elizabeth Howard who married Sidney C FACHE. They had 2 children - Ada H Fache (dec'd 1994) and Sidney Howard Facke who married Philip Le Courteur(? spelling). Sidney and Phillip had 3 children - Howard Francis John LeCourteur who married Clare Smith/ Stephen LeCourteur who married Carol Gevier AND Juliet LeCourteur who married Tony Ganier/ Garier(?spelling). HOward and Clare had 3 children all born in the 70's - Phillipa/ Charlotte and James.

If anyone knows the whereabouts of any of the above I would love to be put in contact with them.
Ada H Fache used to come to England and both her and her sister (Sidney) used to write to Ruby Yarham (James Howard's granddaughter in UK) before their deaths.

Paula