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Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 6 Aug 2014 2:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: De Moel, Wear, Shadforth
married my greatgrand Aunt Catherine (Kate) Wear
Would like a copy of photos of him and family.
Daughter Myrtle Shadforth lived in Melbourne, Footscray or near, did she have children, and when did she die?
May be another daughter, do you know?
Lived in Melbourne, Footscray or nearby
Thanks Judith greatgrand Niece

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 10 Aug 2014 12:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shadforth De Noel
Hi Judith,

You would have most of this. However, I cannot find any trace of the women after 1914.

The Argus, 11 January 1909:

YOUNG MAN ARRESTED.
Henry Shadforth, 25 years of age, who runs a shooting-gallery at the St. Kilda beach, was arrested on Saturday afternoon by Plain-clothes Constables Campbell and Burke on a charge of having offended against a girl under 16 years of age. The girl, Myrtle Gertrude De Moel, disappeared from her home at North Melbourne about a month ago. She is 14 years of age. Her parents took out a warrant for her arrest. She was taken, with Shadforth, at St. Kilda, and sent to the Gordon Institute. She will be brought before the Children's Court to-day.
Shadforth denies the charge. He told the constables that he had seen the girl wandering upon the St. Kilda beach, and taking pity on her had given her shelter in his waggon.

Gippsland Mercury, 24 March 1914:

COURT CASES. Myrtle Shadforth, aged 19, married at 13, but living apart from her husband, was sentenced to a month, with suspension on good behaviour bond, for vagrancy.


Bunyip Free Press and Berwick Shire Guardian (Vic. : 1914 - 1915) Thursday 26 March 1914:

Woman as Decoy. PLANS TO ROB OR MURDER.
... court bench on Monday last by two women named Kate de Moel and Myrtle Shadforth. Both reside No. 7 Abinger Street, Richmond, ... bludgeon with him. They returned at all hours in the mornings. Myrtle Shadforth, the daughter, said she was 19 years of age. She married when 13 years old, and was living apart from her husband.

Trove search words:

"Myrtle Shadforth"
"reyer de moel"


Name: Reyer Laurence Demoel
Birth: abt 1914
Death: 1981 - Bendigo, Victoria

His Will, in Victoria:

Reyer Laurence De Moel Area Representative Kangaroo Flat 20 Nov 1981 899/987 VPRS 28/P12, unit 32; VPRS 7591/P8, unit 7


Birth of the daughter:

Name: Myrtle Gertrude De Moel
Mother: Kate Waer
Birth: 1895 - Adelaide, South Australia


Marriage of the daughter, Myrtle in 1909, in Victoria:

Name: Hy Shadforth
Spouse: Gerte Myrtle De Moel
Marriage: 1909 - Victoria

Mary

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 10 Aug 2014 12:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shadforth
Hi Judith,

Maybe the death of Myrtle's husband in 1924???

Name: Hy Shadforth
Death Place: Melb E, Victoria
Age: 40
Father's Name: Hy Shadforth
Mother's name: Nettie
Registration Year: 1924
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 15244
Estimated birth year: abt 1884

His death certificate should list his children, if the informant knew him well enough.

Mary

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 10 Aug 2014 12:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Wear
Hi Judith,

Re.... "May be another daughter, do you know?"

I guess you are asking if Kate WEAR / DE MOEL, had another daughter besides, Myrtle??
You could purchase this death certificate online, and it downloads instantly, and it should list her children.


Name: Kate Wear De Moel
Death Place: Fitzroy, Victoria
Age: 48
Father's Name: De Moel Saml
Mother's name: Jane Pascoe
Registration Year: 1919
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 12380
Estimated birth year: abt 1871

Mary

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 3 Dec 2014 7:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 3 Dec 2014 7:07AM GMT
This is George TAYLOR, one of Myrtle's partners in crime:

http://postimg.org/image/fw42c07y5/

From PROV Central Register of Male Prisoners (VPRS 515/P1)

COTTRELL's parents posted a surety and he did not serve a sentence.

Debra

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 3 Dec 2014 7:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Another marriage for Myrtle Gertrude:

Gertrude DE MOEL
Father: Reyer DE MOEL
Spouse: David Hoy SUE
Spouse's Father: David Hoy SUE
Date: 29 Sep 1913
Place: Res Of Mrs A L Lean Croydon
Registered: Hindmarsh, South Australia
Page: 924
Volume: 256

and maybe another?

Name: Gert DE MOEL
Spouse: Josh LANNAN
Registered: 1918, Victoria
Reg. No. 2051

Debra

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 4 Dec 2014 1:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: De Moel
Thanks for George Taylor information, I did not have it, Very interesting. I have no photos of Reyer de Moel not Kate de Moel nor Myrtle Gertrude their daughter.

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 5 Dec 2014 12:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Dec 2014 12:25PM GMT
Her brother b. 1892 SA)'s marriage:

Digger - Great War Index. Victoria 1914-1920
Surname: DE MOEL
Given Names: Reyer Lawrence
Event: M
Spouse Surname: SMITH
Spouse Gvn Names: Eilee[n] Valda
Year: 1915
Reg. Number: 8001

Her father's death:

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985
Surname: DE MOEL
Given Names: Reifer
Father: De Moel Jno
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place: CWOOD
Age: 61
Year: 1922
Reg Number: 4831
Event: D

Her brother's death:

Surname: DE MOEL
Given Names: Reyer Lawrence
Father: De Moel Reyer Lawrence
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place: HBERG
Age: 56
Year: 1948
Reg Number: 8638
Event: D

The Argus, Wednesday 11 August 1948
DE MOEL.-On August 10, at Heidelberg Repatriation Hospital, Reyer Laurence, loved father of Laurie, grandfather of Reyer (junior).

Her nephew's enslitment and death:

DE MOEL REYER LAURENCE : Service Number - 18184 : Date of birth - 04 Aug 1914 : Place of birth - MELBOURNE VIC : Place of enlistment - MELBOURNE : Next of Kin - DE MOEL VALERIE

Surname: MOEL
Given Names: Reyer Laurence
Father: De Moel Reyer
Mother: Elizabeth
Death Place: BEND
Age: 67
Year: 1981
Reg Number: 27455
Event: D

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10706321

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 6 Dec 2014 3:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: De Moel
Thanks for you time in providing that information, but I already had it.
I am really looking for The father Reyer De Moel birth date, if death of Reifer is him would be 1861. His birth father was possibly not Jno. Could be a foster or adopted father? Does anyone know?

Re: Reyer De Moel married 1891 Peterborough SA

Posted: 6 Dec 2014 12:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 8 Dec 2014 12:07AM GMT
Have a look at the NAA http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx Search for Reyer de Noel (mistranscribed)

His digitised natutralization record gives date and palce of birth and arrival - Reyer and Myrtle were his only children.

You can contact them and ask for the catalogue entry to be corrected.

I wouldn't rely on a death record for information too much. Depending on who the informant was, sometimes the parents' names can be nonsense.

The marriage record would be more reliable as he gave the information himself.

Reyer De MOEL
Father's Name: Reyer De MOEL
Spouse Name: Kate WEAR
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel WEAR
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1891
Marriage Place: Peterborough
Registration Place: Burra, South Australia
Page Number: 522
Volume Number: 167

Debra
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