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Re: Children of John White

Posted: 27 Mar 2010 3:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Rhonda

Thank you so much for the information which you have supplied. I am extremely grateful for your time and efforts.

This helps solve one of the mysteries of the puzzle (for this particular family branch).

Again, many thanks.
Regards
Dianne

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 28 Mar 2010 2:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hiya,
Arrival to SA
WHITE John, David arrived 1849-12-26 on Harry Lorrequer from London 1849-09-07 v Plymouth 1849-09-22


Kellie

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 28 Mar 2010 11:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kellie

Thanks for the information regarding John and David White arriving on the Harry Lorrequer.

I have tried so many times to view shipping/passenger lists for this particular vessel and everytime I was not able to find their names listed. So your information confirms what I have been trying to find.

Again many thanks.
Dianne

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 29 Mar 2010 1:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Dianne,
While trying to follow this (as I thought John and David were too young to travel alone and MUST have travelled with freinds/family) I noticed something really "itchy"...GUESS who also were passengers on this voyage??? The DICKER's!!!

Maybe that is the connection,,especially with 3 of the boys marrying 3 of the DICKER girls?? Maybe John and David came out with the DICKER's!!!

DICKER John, Mary Ann n BUDGE, My A, John, Jas, Thos, Em, Dinah.
The ship was carrying UK assisted immigrants.

Kellie

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 29 Mar 2010 3:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kellie

Well done!! I must have looked at that passenger list at least half a dozen times and I missed the possible link everytime. How silly of me.

I too didn't believe that young children would travel alone, but couldn't make the pieces connect at all.

Will now endeavour to search for a possible link between these families in the UK. Maybe as you mentioned they were neighbours or even possible family connected.

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 29 Mar 2010 3:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kellie

Computer decided to send message when I was halfway through - goodness knows why.

Just wanted to say THANKS heaps for all your help in providing some more of the jigsaw pieces (so to speak).

I am certain that I would still have kept overlooking the DICKER connection without your help.

Many thanks
Dianne

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 2 Apr 2010 1:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Dianne

I am casting doubt on the arrival of John & David WHITE on the Harry Lorrequer in 1849.

The DICKER family arrived with their own infant and they certainly did not have David WHITE (also an infant) with them because he was in the household with his parents in the 1851 UK Census.

John born c1843 may have been visiting elsewhere. I did not know his place of birth to identify him from the dozens with the same name!

I could not find all the children in the FreeBMDs. Perhaps you have already seen these records.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Mar Q 1841
ANTHONY Mary Anne Plympton St My 9 441
WHITE John Plympton St Mary 9 441

Births Jun Q 1847
White Sarah Antony Totnes 9 511
Births Mar Q 1849
WHITE David Totnes 9 589

If John did emigrate with the DICKERs he simply was not in these official records.

Official assisted passenger lists, 1845-1849 from State Records SA.
http://143.216.32.39/archivessrsa/t1tbmain.asp?MainURL=t1tbd...
>Searching > Passenger List Search
Surname or Ship Name Year First Name/List No.
Dicker 1849 Dinah 49/24
Dicker 1849 Emma 49/24
Dicker 1849 James 49/24
Dicker 1849 John 49/24 (2) = father and son
Dicker 1849 Mary A. 49/24 (2) = mother and daughter
Dicker 1849 Thomas 49/24

Two different sources have the DICKER passengers but no WHITE children. This list has a mistake with the DICKER surname.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849HarryLorrequ...
Cally has mentioned this webpage.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/harrylorrequer18...

The source that Kellie found (re John & David on the Harry Lorrequer) was I believe an error copied from BISA.

The ship RIENZI sailed from Melbourne to Sydney in June 1852 so it was definitely in Australian waters. However there are no records of any passengers arriving in Melbourne.

Rhonda

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 2 Apr 2010 10:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Rhonda

I too am very wary of the "Harry Lorrequer" which is why I posted the query initially. I was hoping that someone may have had information that I hadn't managed to source, as after 12 months or so of searching I have had no success. Although I must admit that I had not noticed the Dicker name on the passenger list until it was pointed out to me. I think that this maybe just a big co-incidence.

I too found the family in the 1851 census and the information of birth years did tie in with info I already had. I have also seen the Free BDM site.

I have not been able to establish a family link between the two families or even them being neighbours etc. So I find it hard to believe that a mother would send her 6yr son all that way with another family. I just don't feel that the John White that married Emma Dicker is from this family (1851 census), even though I have nothing to support this.

The Rienzi is another long enduring mystery which I have been unable to solve. This passenger list would give some insight into maybe who from the White family came to SA.

The information from BISA I have found from previous experience is not reliable and can only be used to support information already known. I certainly do not use this as a definite, only a maybe starting point.

Am not sure where I go from here with finding out about the arrival in SA of this family or even proving that this particular John White is the one that did indeed marry Emma Dicker. Have tried archives, UK archives, census, ancestry and other family tree sites, shipping lists (where possible) etc.

Thank you so much for your insight and research on this topic. You have confirmed my long held misgivings and I truly appreciate your efforts.

Regards
Dianne

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 16 Aug 2011 1:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Cally
My Name is Kingsley White.
I am a great grand son of John White of Hill River
I have a copy of John Whites will (David's Father) in it he lists all eight of his children in order.We know that
Jeffrey was the last child born in England as he was born in 1851 and arrived in South Australia in January 1852 and he was their 5th living child.The Adelaide Register Newspaper dated Saturday 17th of January 1852 under shipping intelligence list Mr and Mrs White disembarking
from the "Rienzi" with five children. So all of their living children arrived with then. Which of course means David was with them..

The story about David arriving on the "Harry Lorrequer" came from a lady in Tasmania named Vida Farr. I wrote to her and asked her to clarify the story. She was unable to do this, because it was here-say and not based on fact.I think my reasoning makes much more sense.

I have some information on Eliza Ann White. Don't know if you need it. If you do feel free to email me.

Regards,
Kingsley White

Re: Children of John White

Posted: 20 Oct 2014 11:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Oct 2014 12:33PM GMT
Surnames: Dicker, White, Budge
Hi,

If you are still out there and searching ... I may have some information that will help ... the posts are quite a bit to digest but (from the DICKER side) ...

John DICKER
B: 29 Oct 1812 Yealmpton, Devon, England
D: 22 Nov 1893 Plymouth, Devon, England
Married (1): 18 Sep 1835 Newton Ferrers, Devon, England
Mary Ann BUDGE
B: 12 Apr 1812 Ermington, Devon, England
D: 29 May 1870 Modbury, South Australia, Australia

They emigrated: On the "Harry Lorrequer" arriving in Adelaide, SA.on 26 Dec 1849
With children - John b.1838, James b.1840, Thomas b. 1842, Emma b. 1845, and Dinah b.1848
*** difficulty in finding this record is that it is incorrectly transcribed on some lists as DICKEN not DICKER. See http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/harrylorrequer18...

Later children born in Australia were: Sarah Ann b. 1850, Adeliade b. 1853, and Tryphena b. 1855

ALL three girls married WHITE's are from this family ... John and David are definite brothers BUT the question remains does Edmund belong in this family or is his mothers maiden name Huntley?

(1) Emma Dicker
B: About 1845 Yealmpton, Devon, England
D: 29 Aug 1928 Goomalling, Western Australia, Australia
Married: 7 Dec 1871 North Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
John White
B: 9 Feb 1842 Efford, Devon, England
D: 2 Dec 1920 Perth, Western Australia, Australia

(Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Pg:563 Vol:89)

(2) Sarah Ann Dicker
B: 20 Nov 1850 Tam O'Shanter Belt, South Australia, Australia
D: 13 Jul 1926 Kadina, South Australia, Australia
Married: 1 Jun 1876 Belalie, South Australia, Australia
David White
B: 7 Mar 1849 Perchwood, Ashprington, Devon
D: 4 Nov 1890 Willamulka, South Australia, Australia

(3) Adelaide Dicker
B: 11 Sep 1853 Tam O'Shanter Belt, South Australia, Australia
D: 5 Jun 1927 Kadina, South Australia, Australia
Married: 17 Sep 1877 Yorke's Peninsula, South Australia, Australia
Edmund White
B:15 Apr 1853 Tam O'Shanter Belt, South Australia, Australia
D: 25 Mar 1924 Athelstone, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Regards,
Nat
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