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Rheese

Posted: 9 Mar 2014 9:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Mar 2014 9:26PM GMT
Surnames: Rheese/Brown/Morris
searching for relatives of Edward Rheese & wife Rosa. Children include
Rosa b.1860
Mary b.1863
Edward b.1866
Willam b.1868
John b.1871
Thomas b.1875

I have Rosa's death certificate which also lists two deceased males.
i have really struggled finding information on this branch of my family tree. My GGGrandmother is Rosa, her daughter Rosa Letica is my GGgrandmother.
Cheers Chris

Re: Rheese

Posted: 31 Oct 2014 2:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Chris

Many years ago I did a little bit of work on this Rheese family for my friend Kevin Rheese, who is a descendant of Edward, b 1866. He might still have the information I gave him. If not, come back to me and I will see what I can find. This is a darn difficult family, Edward senior seems a bit mysterious. This is Kevin's phone number: (02) 6238 2260 I think I actually contacted one of the Underwood's back then about Rosa's grave.

Regards

Gary
Canberra

Re: Rheese

Posted: 31 Oct 2014 6:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 31 Oct 2014 6:57AM GMT
Guessing you know about this?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article76049902

This is about the inquest into son Wm's death as a jockey
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113267155

There was possibly another son George, who died in 1877 in Coonamble NSW (ie before his mother's death so could be one of those deceased males)

Re: Rheese

Posted: 1 Nov 2014 3:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the links you provided. I have seen different articles on the jockey's death, but not that one. They are such a mysterious family, it's frustrating but am so grateful you have responded with a contact. Do you have an email address for him? I prefer communicating by email then can attach docs/photos etc. If not, I'm happy to call.
Confusion lies with the surname Reese/Brown. Not sure if Edward Reese/Brown is in actual fact the same person?... I think he is, but not sure how or why the name change.
Cheers,
Chris

Re: Rheese

Posted: 2 Nov 2014 1:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Nov 2014 3:40PM GMT
I am sure we did quite a lot on this family just recently for someone. Will see if I can find it.

OK, it was a previous post by Chis

http://boards.ancestry.com.au/localities.oceania.australia.q...

I remember now that the boys were all jockeys, Thomas and Edward married sisters in Victoria and Thomas lost his family in a fire.

This is from my notes but I don't know if I ever posted it because it needed more research.

Edward John RHEESE born 1864 in Tamworth NSW son of Edward and Alicia. Married in Victoria to Alice Harriet JONES, lived Wodonga/Yackandandah/Gundowring, died in 1948, death registered Albury district NSW with parents named as Edward and Alice. His age on his headstone at Wodonga confirms his year of birth.

Thomas RHEESE born c1878, had been a jockey at Tumbarumba in NSW, married in Victoria to Cecilia Agnes JONES who was the sister of Edward RHEESE's wife Alice. (so two brothers married two sisters) Lived Sandy Creek (Walwa) and Talangatta, his wife and four daughters died in a house fire in 1910. Thomas died in 1950 and his parents were named by the informant as Edward RHEESE and Alicia SANDS.

George RHEESE
Death Date: 1877
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's name: Rosa
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Place: Coonamble, New South Wales
Registration Number: 4819

Debra

Re: Rheese

Posted: 5 Nov 2014 9:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
hi debra,
i think there are 2 edward RHEESE. one who married alicia SANDS and another who married rosa MORRIS. Or do you think that he is the same person?

Re: Rheese

Posted: 6 Nov 2014 1:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Nov 2014 1:29AM GMT
I am leaning toward it being the same Edward with perhaps the first two girls being Rosa's children, some of the boys being Edward's and then some children being theirs together. OR Rosa and Alicia/Alice are the same person.

There was a Mary Charlotte RHEESE who married in Queensland in 1879 to Frederick MORCOM. When she died in NSW in 1935 her father was given as Edward (no mother named) and I saw that her death notice named two of her daughters as Alice and Rose. Looking at births in Queensland we find that the birth of the daughter Rose was registered in 1882 as 'Rosa Alicia'. Is she Rosa Letitia's sister?

Did you end up getting your Rosa Letitia's marriage cert to see who she named as her parents? They are a lot cheaper these days and can be downloaded online as an image. I would also want Mary Charlotte's marriage cert - I do think she is Rosa's sister. I know it gets a bit expensive, but sometimes documentation is the only way to find the bits of the puzzle.

I would also get the 1864 NSW birth of Edward RHEESE to Edward and Alicia, and the 1877 death of George RHEESE as listed in my previous post. It is a big punt, but if they are connected it could open lots of doors for you. Transcriptions are much cheaper that official certs in NSW and transcription agents are listed on the NSW BDM website under the 'Family History' link. They often have special deals around Christmas time or maybe you could put them on your Christmas list :)

Debra

Re: Rheese

Posted: 6 Nov 2014 4:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Debra,
Interestingly, records show Alicia Sands arriving on the Bangalore & her DOB 1838.

I had a relative tell me that rosa Morris arrived also on the ship Bangalore and her death cert shows her birth as 1838. Maybe they are the same person?

I haven't got Rosas marriage cert to Edward, couldn't find it. I think I will get (as u previously suggested), rosa browns marriage cert to Richard underwood. It may lead to more info.
I appreciate your help, cheers chris

Re: Rheese

Posted: 11 Nov 2014 9:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Nov 2014 9:24AM GMT
Mary Charlotte Rheese, aged 16, B. Hunter River, NSW married Frederick Morcom, aged 23 at 11 am on 8 October 1879 at the St George registry office. Her parents are listed as Edward Rheese and Rosa Morris. Witness's to the marriage are Rosa Underwood and George Brown.
Edward Rheese's occupation is listed as a labourer.

Rosa Brown, aged 17, B. Maneroo, NSW married Richard Underwood, aged 25 at the St George registry office on the 23 September 1878. Her parents are listed as Edward Brown and Rosa Morris. Witness's to the marriage are Sarah Lawrence and William B? (possibly Brown).

Re: Rheese

Posted: 17 Nov 2014 8:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Well done, so at least we have identified one sibling. So Rosa considers herself to be a BROWN, and Mary Charlotte a RHEESE. I wouldn't read too much into Rosa giving her father's first name as 'Edward', as she possibly didn't know her biological father's first name. Their respective ages pretty well match up on both their mother's death cert and their marriages - Rosa born c1860 and Mary Charlotte c1863 but I am still not seeing anything worthy of following up in NSW.

I started to think that the Edward RHEESE and Alicia SANDS family were a red herring and just a coincidence with the boy's names but now I have changed my mind back again!!

On FamilySearch the baptisms for Thomas and William RHEESE have been indexed. They took place on the same day, 5 Oct 1876, in St Joseph's Catholic Church at Gunnedah, NSW. William was aged 9 and Thomas aged 3, which I know don't quite match the ages on Rosa's death cert. The entries are written in Latin and the mother has been transcribed as 'Rosae Alicae LAND'. I do think the 'S' has been mistaken for an 'L' in the surname (if her name was definitely SANDS), and the first names could be 'Rosa Alicia' or 'Rose Alice'. This would also mean that they had not long been in Queensland before Rosa's death.
https://familysearch.org/search

This does tie in with jockey William's death reg. where his mother is named as Rosa, and the death of Edward and Thomas where she is Alice/Alicia.

The thing that makes me think that these are Rosa's brothers is that when William (occupation Jockey) was gaoled in 1896 for being drunk, he said he was born at St George Bridge in Queensland. This was the original name for St George and he obviously thought he was born there. Too many common factors here to not be connected.

I will send you a message about how to get a free copy of that baptism register so you can see the mother's surname written for yourself. It is a bit long winded to post here.

You said earlier that Rosa Snr's death cert gave details of how long they had been co-habiting - were there exact years given? Are you going to get a copy of the documents relating to Edward's court case? They do sometimes detail relationships.

I am glad this is not my family, LOL, they're driving me nuts.

Debra
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