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Ivy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Ivy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 1 Jun 2015 6:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Jun 2015 4:21AM GMT
Surnames: Holman
I am looking for information regarding a Ivy Muriel Holman who was living at Emerald around 1915. She appears as the wife of Joseph James Holman's on his enlistment papers. A second address of 88 Alfred St, The Valley, Brisbane was subsequently added.

Any information on her would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Joy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 2 Jun 2015 4:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Jun 2015 5:00PM GMT
Hi Peter,

I am pretty sure it is Ivy Muriel, not Joy Muriel. It is more obvious on page 7 and the 'I' of the first name is different to the 'J' in Joseph's name.

http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/5823167/1

She appears on electoral rolls at Emerald as Ivy Muriel TRELOAR in 1915 and 1916 and on later ones around the Brisbane area as HOLMAN but not at the same address as Joseph. Her death:

1965
B77695
Ivy Muriel HOLMAN
Parents: Harry TRELOAR and Kate COLLINS

Re: Joy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 2 Jun 2015 9:38PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: Holma

The Week (Brisbane, Qld. : 1876 - 1934) (about) Previous issueFriday 25 July 1930

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article182570698

Article about Ivy Muriel Holman being seriously burnt.


Cheers
Tania

Re: Joy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 2 Jun 2015 11:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Tania,

I wonder if it was the mother or daughter as they both had the same name and were living in coolangatta.

More research.

Thanks Again.
Peter

Re: Joy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 3 Jun 2015 1:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 3 Jun 2015 1:22AM GMT
Hi

Births of Ivy Muriel Treloar and her daughter from QldBDM


Year Reg# First name(s) Last name Father Mother
1912 C8127 Ivy Muriel Treloar Ivy Muriel Treloar
Order
1891 C7985 Ivy Muriel Treloar Harry Kate Collins

I think the story relating to the fire accident would have been Ivy born in 1891 as she is listed as Mrs Holman.

I can't find a marriage between Joseph and Ivy as QldBDM only allow marriage searches up til 1940. The possibility is also that they never married.

Edit: There is also a birth for a Harry to Ivy Snr with Holman as last name
Year Reg# First name(s) Last name Father Mother
1913 C12523 Harry Holman Ivy Muriel TRELOAR


Karin

Re: Joy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 3 Jun 2015 12:01PM GMT
Classification: Marriage
Surnames: Holman, Hickey
Hi Peter
QLD Marriage - is this your Joseph?
Married 1918 reg: B21709 Catherine Hickey Joseph James Holman

Cheers
Tania

Re: Joy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 4 Jun 2015 10:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Tania,

yes it is. He married Catherine (Kathleen) in 1918, John Joseph was born in 1919, only survived a month and dad, John William was born in 1926. Catherine died in 1934, Joseph was invalided by this time and died in 1937. Dad was in boarding school from the age of 7 until he finished high school. He never knew of any relations on his fathers side, only being told his farther was born in South Africa and emigrated to Australia by an Aunt (Hickey).

He always thought he emigrated as an adult. What wasn't known was he emigrated from South Africa with his entire family in 1884 aged 4. Joseph first married Isabella Alice Thompson in 1905, they formally divorced in 1911. I have the suspicion that some time between 1905 an 1912 when he appears in Farleigh (just outside Mackay) Queensland he returned to South Africa, probably Kimberly mining. This is where he's lung injuries where sustained that eventuraly killed him, these are also mentioned in medical reports in his military file. His brother Thomas fought in the Bore war as a member of the Victorian Bushmen. After the defeat of the Bores there was opportunities for "British" types in South Africa. This is the next part of the puzzle.

Its on his WW1 enlistment papers that Ivy Muriel (incorrectly recorded as Joy Muriel) appears and a whole other side opens up. There were three children, on the QLD online records no farther is shown. They seem to use the name Treloar until some time in the 20's when they adopt the name of Holman. More work to do here as well. On one of the childrens (Harry) death certificate it states Joseph James as the farther

Thanks
Peter.



Re: Ivy Muriel Holman living at Emerald around 1915

Posted: 6 Jun 2015 12:11PM GMT
Classification: Marriage
Edited: 6 Jun 2015 12:26PM GMT
Surnames: Holman, Creamer

Marriage of son.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld. : 1933 - 1954) Wednesday 16 December 1942

HOLMAN— CREAMER.— The engagement is announced of Frances, youngest Daughter of Mr. and Mrs. T. Creamer, Boyd Street. Tweed Heads, to Harry, only Son of Mrs. I. M. Holman. Coolangatta.

Cheers
Tania
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