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Posted: 17 Jun 2013 10:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sutherland
Can anyone direct me to where I might find access to old court records for NQ?
I am chasing the tail of a Roy Stuart Sutherland who was charged in 1932 for offenses in Malanda and Gordonvale, (theft and fraud) as reported in the Cairns Post and Townsville Daily Bulletin.
In particular I am after details such as his date of birth and next of kin.
Thank you for any help you may be able to provide.
Jeanette

Re: Court records

Posted: 18 Jun 2013 2:59AM GMT
Classification: Query
His age is given as 30 in 1932 and he is said to be a native of Scotland, just in case this assists other searchers.

Re: Court records

Posted: 20 Aug 2013 2:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Aug 2013 2:43AM GMT
There are other reports in Trove where his name is listed as Roy Stewart Sutherland. It appears he also used the alias Macalister.

One article refers to him as a 30 year old native of Scotland but another has a completely different story. (Cairns Post - 5 Apr 1932)

"YOUNG MAN'S LAPSE.

STEALING FROM DWELLING.

Roy Stewart Sutherland was charged that on February 13, at Merragallan, he entered a dwelling and stole a pair of trousers, a pair of shoes, a ring, a brooch and £1/15/- in money, the property of John Francis Britten.

Defendant pleaded guilty.

Mr. Quinn outlined the circumstances of the case, and said there were no previous convictions against him. He had a good record. He had "served in the Great War and in that war his father and three brothers had been killed, he being the only survivor of the family. His mother was alive, but at present defendant could do nothing to assist her. Defendant was at present undergoing a sentence of four months for false pretences.

His Honor said it was difficult to deal with the prisoner after his having such a good record and then suddenly turning criminal. He would sentence defendant to six months' imprisonment,the sentence to commence from the date of commencement of the four months' sentence which defendant was at present serving."

He could not have been 30 years old and served in the Great War. There is no Roy Stewart/Stuart Sutherland birth in Scotland between 1890-1910, nor is he listed on the 1911 Scotland Census.

Merragallen is near/part of Malanda. On the 1930 Electoral Rolls there is a Caroline Annie Sutherland living alone in Malanda. Don't know if she is any relation.

Sorry, I guess that just adds to the confusion. It would seem the records for the Gordonvale Police Courts are held at the Qld State Archives. It might be worth emailing them to check. info@archives.qld.gov.au

Regards

Toni White

Re: Court records

Posted: 20 Aug 2013 7:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Toni and thank you.
I have been down that path and the Qld State Archives hold the following books for Malanda Court:
Item ID272742, Bailiff's book;
Item ID272740, Judgment Book;
Item ID894422, Plaint Book.

A very kindly senior archivist, Joanne, searched for all combinations and various spellings of the names Sutherland, Stuart, Ross, Roy, and McAliser. No luck I'm afraid. I don't have Caroline Sutherland as any relation that I'm aware of. I appreciate your help and any ideas as to where to go from here. I have had a professional geneologist in Scotland look for his place of birth, Avanagalian, or his mother, listed as Mary Weir, deceased on his 1937 marriage record. No closer to the truth! He came to Australia around 1923 and I haven't been able to uncover how yet. He also managed a dairy farm in Fiji sometime between 1923 and the mid 1930's. Does my head in!
Thank you again for your interest and input. Very much appreciated.
Regards
Jeanette

Re: Court records

Posted: 21 Aug 2013 2:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hiya,
I gather from info in here and your tree you are looking for this man..
STUART-SUTHERLAND ROSS ALLASTAIR : Service Number - 32128 : Date of birth - 25 May 1906 : Place of birth - AVNAGALIAN SCOTLAND : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY NSW : Next of Kin - STUART-SUTHERLAND DOROTHY

Do you think he and Roy are one-in-one?

Kellie

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Posted: 21 Aug 2013 2:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kellie
I am clutching at straws.
I know that Ross's birth name must not have been the one that he used in Australia. I am looking for Roy's next of kin that would have been given when he was charged. They were both in the NQ area, Ross opened a gym "St Andrews Academy of Physical Culture" later in the year that Roy was charged in Malanda. Both were Scots of similar age, Ross's middle name Alistair and Roy's alias McAlister. I have everything I can find on Ross in Aus, including death and marriage certs. Can't find birth record or any details of his life in Scotland or his arrival here.
Thanks for your interest! Any help appreciated.
Regards
Jeanette

Re: Court records

Posted: 21 Aug 2013 3:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
Cannot see a Roy Stuart Sutherland on elect rolls.

BTW, what appears to be a son shows in 1977 and spelling is Allasdair....just incase this spelling shows up elsewhere.

I see he was supposed to arrive 1923 to VIC...there is a possible but what I did notice was there were other Stuart Sutherland arriving around the same period. (might be connected)

Hyphenated names are such a bummer to research as you never know whether they were born with the hyphenated surname or if it was given after a parents (mothers) remarriage.

I'll have a look after work.

Kellie

Re: Court records

Posted: 21 Aug 2013 4:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Kellie
Allasdair (Al) is my father. He was given that name (spelling)on his father Ross's insistence.
Where did you find the other Stuart Sutherlands arriving into Victoria? I'm not so savvy with ship records.
Regards
Jeanette
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