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Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 9:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Johnstone
I was hoping someone out there may be able to assist me.
I am trying to search for my elusive great grandfather.

I can find him through marriage certificates and gaol records from 1930 onwards but not before that.

If anyone can assist that would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 9:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
When and where did he marry,die and live.What certificates do you have?

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 9:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
He was married in 1930 (22 Sept) in Lithgow NSW to Adelaide Newbould. The marriage certificate stated his parents were Henry George Johnstone and Mary Ryan both stated as deceased.
The marriage certificate was the only one I have been able to obtain.

In March 1930 he was in goal in Bathurst.

He lived in Lithgow 1930 - 1935 (based off census records) 1936 - 1937 in the Carrington region.

This is where I lose track of him. I know he was homeless in the 1980s and no one had spoken to him since. Due to the fact he was homeless in the later parts of his life I am unsure if his Death records would be under his name.

I am also unsure if he changed his name due to his shady dealings. He did have an alias of Roy Shirlaw in the late 20s/ early 30s.

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 11:00AM GMT
Classification: Query

NDW BDM marriage
11151 / 1930 JOHNSTONE Gregory E m. NEWBOLD Adelaide Lithgow.

What other information is on the marriage certificate please?

...church...age, birthplace and occupation of Gregory and Adelaide.....occupations of their fathers...names of witnesses etc......a first marriage for both?.

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 11:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Further details:

St Patrick's Church Lithgow
First marriage for both
Both are 24

Gregory Ernest Johnstone - Labourer - gaol records stated birthplace as Wagga Wagga NSW
Gregory's father is said to be a labourer also.

Adelaide Newbold- Domestic - Born England
Father: John Broadhurst Newbold (Labourer - they owned the brickworks in lithgow)
Mother: Mary Elizabeth Howdle (deceased)

Witnesses: Richard Borow, Patrick Casey (I think it's hard to read some of the scrawling writing)

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 12:13PM GMT
Classification: Query

NSW BDM birth
8540 / 1906 JOHNSON Gregory - / Marie Wagga Wagga

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 4 Jul 2015 11:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Jul 2015 11:10PM GMT
Surnames: Johnson
Hi kayteejohnstone,

Use Trove newspapers website, to find info on him, as early as 1923.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q

Use search words, with inverted commas, and narrow your search to New South Wales, on the left hand side.

"Gregory ernest johnson"

"Gregory ernest"

"Gregory ernest johnstone"

"roy shirlaw"

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158649600?searchTerm... johnstone"&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=192

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158689734?searchTerm... ernest"&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales

He was born 30.12.1905, at Wagga wagga.

Mary

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 5 Jul 2015 12:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Johnstone
Hi kayteejohnstone

3524/1938 JOHNSTONE STILLBORN MALE GREGORY ERNEST ADELAIDE WICKHAM

Death on 16 January 1938, registered at Wickham, near Newcastle.

Re... "I know he was homeless in the 1980s and no one had spoken to him since. Due to the fact he was homeless in the later parts of his life I am unsure if his Death records would be under his name."

When did Adelaide JOHNSTONE die?

How do you know that he was still alive in the 1980's?

Mary

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 5 Jul 2015 12:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Johnstone Newbold
Hi kayteejohnstone,

SMH, 8 August 1949, has the death of Adelaide (known as Ada) JOHNSTONE's father, John Broadhurst NEWBOLD. In that death notice, Ada, is shown as Mrs. R. JOHNSTONE.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27585678?searchTerm=... broadhurst newbold"&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales

Did Gregory Ernest JOHNSTONE, (alias Roy SHIRLAW) become known as Roy JOHNSTONE?

Mary

Re: Tracing Gregory Ernest Johnstone - NSW before 1930

Posted: 5 Jul 2015 1:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Mary,

Thanks. I use Trove a lot and have a lot of records from his trials and goal time. I will look at the records you have there.

We know he was alive in the 80s as his youngest daughter found him as a homeless alcoholic. She has since died from cancer but I have spoken to her daughter about it.

I am unsure about name changes (but it wouldn't surprise me). My grandfather refuses to talk about him and my dad and aunt never heard of their grandfather being referred to let alone meeting him. My grandfather looked after his mother once he was old enough too and I was under the impression they never spoke to him again.
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