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Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 5 Apr 2015 1:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Apr 2015 1:45AM GMT
Surnames: Todd Campbell
Hi Fryerning,

The marriage certificate, plus the second marriage certificate of Elizabeth CAMPBELL, are on a few family trees.

No. 173
14 Feb 1881
At the Cosmopolitan Hotel, at Grahamstown.
Groom: Joseph TODD
Bride: Elizabeth CAMPBELL
Bachelor and Spinster
Birthplace: Left Blank for Both
Occupation: Miner and Left Blank
Age of Groom: Left Blank
Age of Bride: Under 21 Years
Usual Place of Residence Groom: Grahamstown
Usual Place of Residence Bride: Grahamstown
Married in the: District of Gundagai at Grahamstown
According to: the rites of the Anglican Church
The consent of Mary Scott was given to the marriage
By (or before) me: W. A. West ?? (hard to read) Officiating Minister
In the presence of us: Alfred Henry Collins
Ada Betheras

http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/6293201/person/-1313010124...

Hopefully the Church record, would have the parents names of the Bride and Groom.

Mary

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 5 Apr 2015 5:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Apr 2015 5:59AM GMT

From family tree online - death certificate for Elizabeth FRANKLIN, formerly TODD, nee CAMPBELL

Elizabeth FRANKLIN
Female, 74yrs
Married
Date of death 14 May 1936
Place of Death 26 Ballast Point Road, Balmain North
Usual Residence 26 Ballast Point Road, Balmain North
Place of Birth Melbourne, Victoria
10 years Victoria, 64 years NSW
Father Felix CAMPBELL general labourer\
Mother Mary KENNY

Marriage #1
Place of Marriage Adelong, NSW.
Age at marriage 20 years
To whom Joseph TODD
Children Rebecca 53yrs, Edith 50yrs, Etha 47yrs, George 44yrs, Mary 41yrs living
1 male deceased

Marriage #2
Place of Marriage Redfern, Sydney, NSW.
Age at marriage 74 years
To whom John Donald FRANKLIN
Children No issue

Informant J D FRANKLIN, widower 26 Ballast Point Rd Balmain North.

Cause of death Cerebral haemorrhage, arteriosclerosis, myocarditis
Buried 15 May 1936 Church of England, Waverley Cemetery
Registered 18 May 1936


Can you please give your attention to my questions -

"..In piecing together the events in this family, and death of Joseph TODD, it is useful to identify the last child born to Joseph.

Lillian M TODD b. 1898 and Violet TODD b. 1901 are both listed with parents Joseph and Elizabeth. How are you identifying them as being born to John Donald FRANKLIN?

Do you have birth details for John / Jack and Emily Hilda....how are they named in the BDM index?...."

What is the earliest indication you can see of John Donald FRANKLIN'S involvement in the life of Elizabeth TODD nee CAMPBELL?

This, at 1915,
"......marriage Etha E FRANKLIN 3d /o Mr and Mrs J D FRANKLIN.....Misses M and H FRANKLIN sisters of the bride..."

shows that Elizabeth is known at FRANKLIN. What earlier indication do you see?

All children born to Elizabeth TODD might not have been fathered by her husband Joseph, but what evidence do you have that any children born to Elizabeth TODD are fathered by John Donald FRANKLIN?



Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 5 Apr 2015 9:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Ryerson Index
FRANKLIN Edna Alice 93yrs d 16 Mar 2002
FRANKLIN John (Jack) 70yrs d. 5 Mar 1975

NSW BDM death
10877 / 1975 FRANKLIN John parents John / Elizabeth

birth CAMPBELL John A parents John A / Elizabeth Redfern
Closest I can see.........is this his birth.........and the "A" is a badly transcribed "D"....for Donald.....??


Who is Emily Hilda.........her birth in BDM index?


Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 5 Apr 2015 11:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Apr 2015 9:12PM GMT
Surnames: Todd Franklin
Hi Bernadette,

Do you have marriage certificates, for any of the TODD / FRANKLIN children?

If so, what is stated about the father? Is he named, and deceased?

Trove search words:

"john donald franklin"

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17344491?searchTerm=... Donald franklin"&searchLimits=

SMH, Friday,15 May 1936:

DEATHS
FRANKLIN. - May 14, 1936, at her residence, 26 Ballast Point-road, Balmain, Elizabeth Franklin, dearly loved wife of John Donald Franklin, and loving mother of Willie, (deceased), Brighty, Edie, Ettie, George, Molly, Hilda, Dolly, Violet and Jack, aged 74 years.

FUNERALS
The Relatives and Friends of

Mr. JOHN D. FRANKLIN, of Balmain
Mr. and Mrs. RYAN,
Mr. and Mrs. D. MILLER
Mr. and Mrs. A. SCARR
Mr. and Mrs. G. TODD
Mr. and Mrs. J. LANGRISH
Mr. and Mrs. V. FOWLER
Mr. and Mrs. T. CAMPBELL
Mr. and Mrs. F. BUTLER
Mr. and Mrs. J. FRANKLIN and FAMILIES

The Funeral of his dearly beloved WIFE and their loving MOTHER and GRANDMOTHER, Elizabeth Franklin, to leave the Kinsela Chapels, Darlinghurst, THIS Friday, after a service to commence at 3 pm., for the Church of England Cemetery, Waverley.

Mary

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 6 Apr 2015 1:48AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Franklin
Hi Fryerning,

Re...
"birth CAMPBELL John A parents John A / Elizabeth Redfern
Closest I can see.........is this his birth.........and the "A" is a badly transcribed "D"....for Donald.....??

Who is Emily Hilda.........her birth in BDM index?"

Birth of John FRANKLIN:

12314/1905 FRANKLIN JOHN JOHN ELIZA COBAR

Baptism of Emily Hilda FRANKLIN, on 9th October 190(6)?, at Wilga Downs, who was born on 09 April 1896 (lynnehand (Gettens/Fowler Family Tree) shows her birth as Chiltern Victoria)

http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/6293201/person/-1316427439...

Wilga Downs, is west of Nyngan, NSW.

http://www.bonzle.com/c/a?a=p&p=249669&cmd=sp

So John Donald FRANKLIN, is documented, as being with Elizabeth CAMPBELL / TODD, in October, 1906.

Mary

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 6 Apr 2015 2:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Apr 2015 9:11PM GMT
Surnames: Franklin Todd
Hi Bernadette,

Births:

27451/1881 TODD WILLIAM JOHN JOSEPH JAMES ELIZABETH ADELONG
30907/1883 TODD REBECCA CAROLINE JOSEPH JAMES ELIZABETH ADELONG
34645/1886 TODD EDITH M JOSEPH J ELIZABETH ADELONG
36652/1889 TODD ELIZABETH E JOSEPH ELIZABETH YOUNG
39420/1891 TODD WALTER G JOSEPH ELIZABETH YOUNG
3421/1894 TODD MARY JOSEPH J ELIZABETH ADELONG
10239/1896 TODD EMILY HILDA Joseph TODD Elizth SCOTT CHILTERN, Vic
24096/1898 TODD LILLIAN M JOSEPH J ELIZABETH NYNGAN
34448/1901 TODD VIOLET JOSEPH ELIZABETH NYNGAN
12314/1905 FRANKLIN JOHN JOHN ELIZA COBAR


FUNERALS
The Relatives and Friends of

Mr. JOHN D. FRANKLIN, of Balmain
Mr. and Mrs. RYAN, (Rebecca Caroline / Brighty)
Mr. and Mrs. D. MILLER (Edith M / Edie)
Mr. and Mrs. A. SCARR (Elizabeth E. / Etha / Ettie)
Mr. and Mrs. G. TODD (Walter George / George)
Mr. and Mrs. J. LANGRISH (Mary / Molly)
Mr. and Mrs. V. FOWLER (Emily Hilda / Hilda)
Mr. and Mrs. T. CAMPBELL (Lilian M. / Dolly?)
Mr. and Mrs. F. BUTLER (Violet)
Mr. and Mrs. J. FRANKLIN (John / Jack)


From the list of marriages provided by Fryerning, delete the following one:

18780 / 1926 Lilian TODD m. William A CONNELLY Inverell

Amended list of Marriages:

1183 / 1907 Rebecca TODD m Andrew J RYAN Cobar

9358 / 1905 Edith M TODD m. Daniel MILLER Cobar

6883 / 1915 Etha E TODD m. Alfred H SCARR Canowindra

11454 / 1922 Walter G. TODD m. Eliza M. A. MEAD Yass

316 / 1931 Mary TODD m. Henry J. LANGRISH Sydney

8561 / 1919 Emily H. FRANKLIN m. Victor O. FOWLER Canowindra (27.08.1919)

5368 / 1919 Lilian M. FRANKLIN m. Thomas CAMPBELL Canowindra

12390 / 1923 Violet FRANKLIN m. Frederick H. BUTLER Wellington

4205 / 1931 John FRANKLIN m. Edna A. MARZOL Sydney



Mary

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 6 Apr 2015 4:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Todd
Hi Fryerning,

You provided a list of TODD marriages at Adelong. Here is the death of the mother, of some of those marriages:

Trove search words: "joseph todd"

Albury Banner, 13 March 1925:
DEATH
Mrs Anne Jane Todd.......by her daughter-in-law, Mrs. Joseph Todd at her own home. Six children survive the old lady, Mr Mercer Todd (68), Mary Richardson (65), Mrs. Eliza Grady (62), Amelia Richardson (59), Joseph Todd (50), Louisa Todd (45). Three children were buried many years ago.

(Her husband was Robert TODD, and her son Joseph H. TODD, b. 1870, married Ethel CLOUT in August 1902).


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102147889?searchTerm... todd"&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-title=436

Marriage of Robert and Anne Jane TODD's son, in 1902. This Joseph TODD, is not the man, whom you are looking for.

7743/1902 TODD JOSEPH H CLOUT ETHEL M TUMUT

Mary

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 27 Jul 2015 8:58AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks so much this is the first time that I have been able to sit down and have a good look at the information that you have sent. This looks so promising.
Regard Bernadette :)

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 27 Jul 2015 9:29AM GMT
Classification: Query
My grandmother Elise Scarr was Etha Todd/Franklin's daughter and she always knew that
1)Lillian May (dolly) Todd/Franklin
2)Violet May Todd/Franklin
3)John / Jack Franklin
4)Emily Hilda Todd/Franklin
were JD Franklin's children. Joesph Todd was never mentioned, she never was told about her grandfather and I am in contact the some of the Franklin Family.

Re: Joseph James Todd miner Australia

Posted: 27 Jul 2015 9:35AM GMT
Classification: Query

Hi Mary
Don't think this is my Joesph Todd as he was alive at least to 1894 as
Walter George Todd was born 1891 and Mary Molly/ Mollie Todd was born 1894 were the young of his children.
Regards
Bernadette
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