Robert Normington married Camille E.Oberweiser date unknown, location believed to be in Wisconsin. They had one daughter Camille Pilette. I have information on both Camille's who were respectively my mother and maternal grandmother but no information on Robert, my maternal grandfather.I have been told he was originally from England although have no specifics and am looking for same.

There was a Normington laundry/dry cleaners in Marshfield, Wood Co. Wisconsin about 50-60 years ago. I no longer live in the area and have no idea whether it still exists. I do know a branch of the Normington Laundry in Beloit (Rock Co.) WI closed just a short time ago.

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/1202/norm21.htm

Clean break for Normingtons
Dry cleaners close doors after 75 years
By Debra Jensen-De Hart
Business Editor

In 1867, a Beloit College student established a laundry service at 424 Broad St. It was later operated by Eric Noren and after that, by Merton Stanton and Charley Barnard. In 1928, the plant was purchased by Frank Normington Jr. of Marshfield. Mr. Normington moved to Beloit and resided in the 700 block of Wisconsin Avenue with his wife and daughter.

Such began the story of Normington Laundry and Dry Cleaners, (426) Broad St., according to Lucile Noll Normington, mother of Frank Normington III.

After 75 years in the business however, Frank and his wife, Mary Normington, are closing shop.

Friday marked the last day for intake of laundry or dry cleaning. The building has been sold and the couple now is working on selling the rest of the contents as well as getting the rest of their customers to come in and pick up their clean laundry and dry cleaning.

Frank said the store would remain open so the items could be distributed, today, Monday, Tuesday, and Friday.

``It's kind of sad,'' he acknowledged Friday from the store.

But the Normingtons also said it is time.

Frank suffered a heart attack and a stroke about a year ago and about two weeks ago, suffered another stroke.

When the store closes for good, it will be the last of seven family-owned plants which at one time existed in Marshfield, Madison and other parts of the state.

But for all of Frank's life it provided the family in which he grew up and later his own family with an income and a livelihood, for which the couple is grateful.

For Frank, learning the business began at an early age.

``I always say I learned to walk by holding on to a laundry basket,'' he said jokingly.

The fact is, Frank was working in the plant at the age of 14 because his father needed help.

He began his day before heading to Roosevelt Junior High School by helping out in the morning and then pedaled back to the shop after school to help his father close up.

Frank worked with his father until his father's death in 1977.

``The depression of the '30s was a rough period for all of Beloit,'' Frank's mother continued in her history of the business. ``Mr. Normington spent many a Sunday doing repairs and planning improvements. When times finally improved, dry cleaning equipment was added to the plant.''

Other difficult times included the World War II years, because help was hard to get and there was gasoline rationing.

Over the years, employees were added to include 45 and five truck routes were added covering Beloit as well as South Beloit and Rockton. A special commercial route covered the downtown offices and the college, according to Lucile Normington's account.

Perhaps the most difficult time for the family-owned operation, however, came in 1967 when a fire swept through the business, destroying it.

``Mr. Normington stood in ankle-deep water watching 40 years of effort go up in smoke. ... He kept repeating, `we will just have to rebuild.''' his wife wrote.

By January of 1968, the plant was rebuilt, Frank III said.

Of his long career in the business, he said it has been a continual learning process.

From washroom chemistry to electricity and on to steam fittings, ``you learned everything as a kid from other people,'' he recalled.

On Friday, Joan Hilton of Milton, a friend of the Normingtons, helped catalog vintage clothing left behind at the store and she encouraged her friends to sell them through E-bay on the Internet.

Several unclaimed racks of clean clothing from several decades remain in a back room of the store. One vintage wedding dress appears to be from the 1920s or 1930s, Hilton said.

After finishing up loose ends with the business, the couple said they would like to travel. One site they will head for is the U.S.S. Constitution, they said.

It is so confusing that our ancestors named their children the same names they had!I am researching Camille G and Edward Oberweiser. They had a daughter Camille . The names Pilette and Wahl have shown upbut I've seen Camiile G. and Camille M come up but I am confused . Edward and Camille lived in Steven's Point Wi and Winnebago County (Appleton

Hello,

I am not related. Just trying to help out. You have me confused as to who is who. Was Robert Normington married to Camille E.Oberweiser, daughter of Edward Oberweiser and Camille Pilette? You have Camille Pilette as a daughter of Robert Normington and Camille E.Oberweiser. Wouldn't Camille Pilette be the mother to Camille E.Oberweiser?
Did Camille E.Oberweiser marry Robert Normington before she married Edward H. Dodd?

In any case, I may have some info that may or may not be helpful.

From what I found, both Camille and Edward were living in Menasha, Winnebago County, Wisconsin in the 1900 and 1905 census. In 1900, Camille was listed as Camille Lerckenbach, Sister-in-law to Herman Lerkenback (Luchenbach), whose wife was Minnie Wahle. In 1905, Camille was listed as Millie Wahle, Sister-In-Law to German (Herman) Luckenbach, whose wife was Minnie Wahle.

I seen the posting by Sue Bowman who suggested that her great-great grandparents, Ben and Alma Kaerwer Wahle, adopted Camille. I think there is some truth to this story, but it looks like Minnie (Wahle) Luchenbach and her husband Herman took in Camille to live with them.

The 1930 census states that Edward and Camille were married about 1906. Edward was age 50, married age 26 in 1930. Camille was age 46, married age 22 in 1930.

***Camille Pilette married Edward Oberweiser in Winnebago County, Wisconsin on August 06, 1906. But she was married under the name Camille M. Wahle. Herman Luckenbach and Minnie Wahle also married in Winnebago County.
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http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/vitalrecords/

Name Type Date County

Oberweiser, Edward A Marriage Aug 06 1906 Winnebago
Wahle, Camille M Marriage Aug 06 1906 Winnebago

Luckenbach, Herman Marriage Jun 28 1888 Winnebago
Whale, Wilhelmina Marriage Jun 28 1888 Winnebago
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I am sure this is Camille...

1900 census Menasha Ward 2, Winnebago, Wisconsin (Tayco St)

Peter Luckenbach, head, age 73, married 43 years, born June 1826 Germany, parents born Germany, immigrated 1854, naturalized

Elizabeth Luckenbach, wife, age 73, married 43 years, 7 children, 6? or 0? living, born June 1826 Germany, parents born Germany

Next Family...

Hennie (Herman?) Lerckenbach, head, age 39, married 12 years, born March 1861 Wisconsin, parents born Germany

Mennie (Minnie) Lerckenbach, wife, age 31, married 12 years, 0 children, 0 living, born August 1869 Wisconsin, parents born Germany

Camille Lerckenbach, Sister-in-law, age 17, single, born May 1887 New York, parents born ----------

** Camille may have been about age 13, not 17
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1905 Wisconsin State Census Menasha, Winnebago County, Wisconsin

German (Herman) Luckenbach Head b. Wisconsin abt 1861 Male
Minnie Luckenbach Wife b. Wisconsin abt 1869 Female
Millie Wahle Sister-In-Law b. Illinois abt 1883 Female
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1900 census Menasha Ward 1, Winnebago, Wisconsin (Third St)

John Oberweiser abt 1847 Germany White Head
Katherine Oberweiser abt 1848 Germany White Wife
Frank Oberweiser abt 1876 Wisconsin White Son
Edward Oberweiser abt 1875 Wisconsin White Son
Charles Oberweiser abt 1882 Wisconsin White Son
Flora Oberweiser abt 1889 Wisconsin White Daughter
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1905 Wisconsin State Census Menasha, Winnebago County, Wisconsin

Katherine Oberweiser Head b. Germany abt 1848 Female
Edw A Oberweiser Son b. Wisconsin abt 1878 Male
Charles J Oberweiser Son b. Wisconsin abt 1881 Male
Flora Oberweiser Daughter b. Wisconsin abt 1889 Female
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1910 census Stevens Point Ward 3, Portage, WI

Edward A Oberweiser abt 1879 Wisconsin Head
Camille M Oberweiser abt 1884 New York Wife
David E Oberweiser abt 1909 Wisconsin Son
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1920 census Stevens Point Ward 1, Portage, Wisconsin

Edward A Oberweiser abt 1880 Wisconsin White Head
Camille Oberweiser abt 1885 New York White Wife
David E Oberweiser abt 1910 Wisconsin White Son
Camille G Oberweiser abt 1911 Wisconsin White Daughter
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1930 census Stevens Point, Portage, WI

Edwarda Obermeier abt 1880 Wisconsin Head
Camille W Obermeierabt 1884 Wife
David E Obermeier abt 1909 Son
Camille E Obermeier abt 1911 Daughter
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It looks like Camille, and son David, and daughter Camille, took trips outside of the US during the 1930s, separately. Camille also took a trip in 1955, under her maiden name of Pilette.

Here, Camille departed from Plymouth, England.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Camille Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1932
Estimated birth year: 1886
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Married
Address in US: Stevens Point, Wisc., 710 Clark Street
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England, March 31, 1932
Ship Name: Ile de France
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: New York
Line: 20
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5137
Birth Location: New York
Birth Location Other: New York city
Page Number: 84
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Here, Camille departed from Cherbourg, France

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Camille Pilette
Westward Ho Hotel
Phoenix, Arizona
U.S. Passport No. 2866
Nativity: New York
Arrival Date: 13 Sep 1955
Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France (September 8, 1955)
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 8
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_8634
Birth Location: New York
Page Number: 116
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Daughter Camille made a trip to Bermuda in 1930

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Camille Oberweiser
Sailing from Hamilton, Bermuda, April 22, 1930
Arrival Date: 24 Apr 1930
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Estimated birth year: 1911
Age: 19
Gender: Female
Single
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Ship Name: Bermuda
Nativity: Wisconsin
Line: 16
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4721
Birth Location: Wisconsin
Birth Location Other: stevens pt
Page Number: 188
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Then David and his wife Dorothy made a few trips.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: David Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 7 Apr 1930
Estimated birth year: 1909
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Single
Address in US: 1 East Ave., Ithaca, N.Y.
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Wisconsin
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4708
Birth Location: Wisconsin
Birth Location Other: Stevens Point
Page Number: 224
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New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: David Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 7 May 1935
Estimated birth year: March 23, 1909
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Married
Address in US: 501 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Port of Departure: San Francisco, California
Ship Name: Santa Elena
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Wisconsin
Line: 6
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5641
Birth Location: Wisconsin
Birth Location Other: Stevens Point
Page Number: 35
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Dorothy Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 7 May 1935
Estimated birth year: May 28, 1915
Age: 19
Gender: Female
Married
Address in US: 501 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Port of Departure: San Francisco, California
Ship Name: Santa Elena
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Texas
Line: 7
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5641
Birth Location: Texas
Birth Location Other: Dallas
Page Number: 35
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
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*** David and Dorothy's names were crossed off on this list.
Notes at the bottom states that david and Dorothy did not sail.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: David Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 14 Mar 1938
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Married
Address in US: 169 East 78?th St., New York, N.Y.
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Ship Name: Queen of Bermuda
Search Ship Database: View the Queen of Bermuda in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Wisconsin
Line: 17
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_6125
Birth Location: Wisconsin
Birth Location Other: Stevone Pt
Page Number: 65
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Derethy (Dorothy) Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 14 Mar 1938
Estimated birth year: abt 1915
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Married
Address in US: 169 East 78?th St., New York, N.Y.
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Ship Name: Queen of Bermuda
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Texas
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_6125
Birth Location: Texas
Birth Location Other: Dallas
Page Number: 65
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
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New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: David E Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 19 Mar 1938
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Married
Address in US:169 E. 78th St., New York, N.Y.
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Ship Name: Queen of Bermuda
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Wisconsin
Line: 12
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_6128
Birth Location: Wisconsin
Birth Location Other: Stevens Point
Page Number: 114
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Dorothy Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 19 Mar 1938
Estimated birth year: abt 1915
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Married
Address in US:169 E. 78th St., New York, N.Y.
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Ship Name: Queen of Bermuda
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Texas
Line: 13
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_6128
Birth Location: Texas
Birth Location Other: Dallas
Page Number: 114
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
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Edward also made a trip in 1935. Probably a business trip.

California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957

Name: Edward Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 2 May 1935
Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Ship Name: Lurline
Port of Arrival: Los Angeles, California
Port of Departure: Honolulu, Hawaii
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Post Crescent (Appleton, Wisconsin), Monday, January 20, 1969, Page A 16, Column 7

Industrialist's Widow Dies in Phoenix

Mrs. Oberweiser Was Wife of Former Fox River Paper Head

Mrs. Camille Pilette Oberweiser, 87, widow of the late Appleton industrialist E. A. Oberweiser, died Jan. 14 at her home in Phoenix, Ariz. Oberweiser was president of the Fox River Paper Corp. from 1938 until his death in January of 1954.
Mrs. Oberweiser was born in New York. She made her permanent home in Phoenix soon after the death of her husband. Services were held Jan. 15 in St. Francis Xavier Church, Phoenix, with burial in St. Francis Cemetery. Whitney and Murphy uneral Home of that city was in charge of arrangements.
Survivors are a son, David E. Oberweiser, Santa Barbara, Calif, one daughter, Mrs. Edward H. Dodd, Putney, Vt., and three grandchildren.
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Stevens Point Daily Journal (Stevens Point, Wisconsin), Monday, February 17, 1969, Page 2, Column 7

Obituary Notices

Mrs. Oberweiser


Mrs. Camille Oberweiser, 87, widow of Edward A. Oberweiser, a former president of the Whiting-Plover Paper Co., died recently at her home in Phoenix, Ariz.
Mrs. Oberweiser, the former Camille Pilette, was born in New York.
Her husband was with Whiting-Plover nearly 30 years. He came here in 1908 from Menasha and was general manager of the firm in 1912 when a supply of pure undergroung water was tapped in the Plover River Valley, enabling the company to improve the quality of its paper.
He became president in 1930, succeeding George A. Whiting, the founder and first president. At the time of his resignation in 1937, he was described as "Stevens Point's leading citizen."
The oberweisers went from here to Appleton, where in 1938 Mr. Oberweiser headed a group that bought control of the Fox River Paper Co.
He was president of the firm until his death in 1954, and Mrs. Oberweiser moved to Phoenix soon after that.
She is survived by a son, David E., Santa Barbara, Calif; a daughter, Mrs. Edward H. Dodd, Putney, Vt.; and three grandchildren.
Funeral services were held at St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church in Phoenix, and burial followed there.
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I did find a Robert J. Normington, whose father was born in England. They were living in New York. It seems like this same Robert married a woman named Celestine, and they are both buried in Long Island National Cemetery. Could Celestine be a 2nd wife to Robert?, and your Camille be his 1st wife?

1930 census Brooklyn, Kings County, New York

Harry Normington, head, age 47 or 49, born abt 1881 or 1883 England, parents born England, immigrated 188?, occupation: sheet metal worker

Mabel Normington, wife, age 40, born abt 1890 Maine, father born Canada French, mother born Maine

Robert Normington, son, age 19, born abt 1911 New Hampshire, father born England, mother born Maine, occupation: meter tester, electric co

Marcel Normington, son, age 8, born abt 1922 Maine, father born England, mother born Maine
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Social Security Death Index

Name: Robert Normington
SSN: 087-01-9753
Last Residence: 07728 Freehold, Monmouth, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 15 Mar 1911
Died: Jan 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)
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U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946

Name: Robert J Normington
Birth Year: 1911
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: New Hampshire
State: New York
County or City: Bronx
Enlistment Date: 25 Jan 1944
Enlistment State: New York
Enlistment City: New York City
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life
Education: 1 year of high school
Civil Occupation: Electrician, Airplane
Marital Status: Married
Height: 00
Weight: 000
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U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006

Name: Robert Joseph Sr Normington
Service Info.: TEC 5 US Army WORLD WAR II
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1911
Death Date: 11 Jan 1974
Service Start Date: 15 Feb 1944
Service End Date: 6 Jan 1946
Interment Date: 15 Jan 1974
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 2k Site 1120
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U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006

Name: Celestine Normington
Service Info.: TEC 5 US Army
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1918
Death Date: 20 May 2002
Relation: Wife of Normington, Robert Joseph Sr
Interment Date: 23 May 2002
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 2k Site 1120
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I found thin in the Marriage Index for New York. The indexes don't have the wives matched up, but Robert married January 10, 1931 in Kings County. maybe you can try to find out who the bride was?

http://www.italiangen.org/NYCmarrigesearch.asp

New York City Grooms Index

Surname - Normington
Given Name - Robert J
Month of Marriage - Jan
Day of Marriage - 10
Year of Marriage - 1931
County - Kings
Certificate Number 618
Soundex - N655
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Hope this helps,
Ruth Pokorny

Hmmmmm.

I also found this. This is the same passenger list for Edward as in the last posting, but now I see that there was a Camille Normington listed just above him on the list. Camille must have been married to Robert at this time.
Ruth Pokorny
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California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957

Name: Edward Oberweiser
Arrival Date: 2 May 1935
Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Ship Name: Lurline
Port of Arrival: Los Angeles, California
Port of Departure: Honolulu, Hawaii

California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957

Name: Camille Normington
Arrival Date: 2 May 1935
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1911
Gender: Female
Ship Name: Lurline
Port of Arrival: Los Angeles, California
Port of Departure: Honolulu, Hawaii

in the 1930 census, Edward must have went to LA on a business trip. He is listed here in the census as well as back in Wisconsin in Steven's Point.

1930 census Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California
Biltmore Hotel, 515 South Oline Street

Edward A Oberweiser, Lodger, age 51, married, born abt 1879 Wisconsin, parents born Germany, Occupation: Executive, Paper Manufacture

*There was a Robert E. Normington also living in Los Angeles in the 1930 census, with his parents. But he was born about 1920 in California, and his father was born in Kansas, mother born in North Dakota.
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1920 census Stevens Point Ward 3, Portage, Wisconsin

John (Joshua?) Normington abt 1875 Wisconsin Head (father born faded document, mother born Canada? - faded)

Mamie C Normington abt 1875 Wisconsin Wife (parents born Sweden)

Robert J Normington abt 1901 Wisconsin Son

Olevin J Normington abt 1903 Wisconsin Son

Lothe J Normington abt 1909 Wisconsin Daughter

Wallie J Normington abt 1912 Wisconsin Son

** In the 1930 census, this Robert had a wife Helen, born 1902, and a son Joshua.

I found them !!!

I went back to the New York Brides Index and looked again, because the last time I was looking for Camille Pilette or Camille Wahle.

Here it is. Of course you would want to send away for the marriage record, in hopes of the parents names listed.

Hope this helps,
Ruth Pokorny

http://www.italiangen.org/NYCmarrigesearch.asp

New York City Grooms Index

Surname - Normington
Given Name - Robert J
Month of Marriage - Jan
Day of Marriage - 10
Year of Marriage - 1931
County - Kings
Certificate Number 618
Soundex - N655
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http://www.italiangen.org/NYCBrides.stm

New York City Brides Index

Family Name - Oberweiser
Given Name - Camilea E
Month of Marriage - Jan
Day of Marriage - 10
Year of Marriage - 1931
County - Kings
Certificate Number 618
Soundex - O162N

I was in Oshkosh, WI doing research and found the marriage license between Camille M. Wahle and Edward A. Oberweiser. I have a copy of it if you would like me to send you a private email with the attachment. On it, it states that Camille's father's name was Adolf (possibly Adolph) Wahle and Mathilde Muhlenbein. Camille was born in New York according to this license. It took place August 6, 1906 ane the witnesses were
Clara Lueckenbach and C.J. Oberweiser. The wedding took place in Menasha, WI. I hope this helps you some..
Sue Bowman

That would be great!I'd love to get it.Please send it to hummingbird323@msn.com