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Ellensburg family

Nailhead04 — 2009-07-03 02:21:30Z

Hi I am looking for my fathers birthparents. He was born in Ellensburg WA in the late 1950's to a polish family of 8 who owned a local cold storage company in the area. Any info that i could use would be great. thanks
-jared

Re: Wilfred Savage United Kingdom

jsav2 — 2009-06-30 20:49:25Z

Are you Eileen ? Wilfred was my grandfathers (John William )
brother . I am researching my family history and i am hoping you may have some info that will help me .
I have been in contact with a Paul Mumby (Wilfreds grandson ?)
and Michelle Jones (Wilfreds gt niece ?).
We have recently gained quite a lot of info about Harry (Wilfreds father ).Hope to hear from you soon > John.

Re: Jukich family of Spokane, Washington

erik17084 — 2009-06-30 17:48:55Z

I'm curious if you still have this portrait? This portrait would be of my Mother's Grandparent's on her Father's side. I have several relatives that would be interested in having this portrait. Let me know.

Re: Wilfred Savage United Kingdom

jsav2 — 2009-06-30 08:42:38Z

Hi who are you?
I am Wilfreds great nephew John Savage and i live in Sheffield. My email address is jsav2@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: Wilfred Savage United Kingdom

emiller1796 — 2009-06-30 03:50:57Z

Wilfred and Marjorie were my parents. They lived in Scunthorpe - I live outside washington dc.

Re: William Turner Chapman. Thank you.

CECarroll1945 — 2009-06-29 18:33:14Z

Thank you for your reply. I found his death date, place and burial in Centralia, WA.

Re: William Turner Chapman, b1881

bethrau1 — 2009-06-29 17:51:56Z

If you know the names of his parents, your best bet to finding him might be the pilot site of Family Search. Enter his name in the fields, and "Washington, United States" in the "place" field:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#

You may find him in the Washington State Digital Archives death records, but there are 585 "William CHAPMAN" entries:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

William Turner Chapman, b1881

CECarroll1945 — 2009-06-29 16:00:32Z

I am searching for a death record for William Turner Chapman, born 15 May 1881 in Texas. Last known living in 1920 in Lewis Co., WA.

Re: Andrew Gunder Hanson (Hansen) - great grandfather

RBestrom7380 — 2009-06-19 03:51:34Z

I was going to email you a copy of the image; but, first you don't have your email available, second, you said you have a copy of the image.

If you look at line 28, it shows Gjertrud, then wife, then "F" for female, then "Sep" for month of birth, then "1832" for year of birth, then "58" for age, then "M" for married, then "43" for years married, then "7" for mother of, then "7" for number living.

Re: Andrew Gunder Hanson (Hansen) - great grandfather

abluescat — 2009-06-19 03:05:12Z

Sorry to bother you again, but is the "mother of 7, 7 living" notated on the census? Is this the 1900 Federal census? Thanks.

Re: Andrew Gunder Hanson (Hansen) - great grandfather

RBestrom7380 — 2009-06-18 22:03:25Z

You are correct, she was mother of 7, 7 living.

Re: Andrew Gunder Hanson (Hansen) - great grandfather

abluescat — 2009-06-18 21:28:36Z

Hello,

I am still searching for my great grandfather and was wondering if you could direct me to the source of the document you mentioned?

"The 1900 Census for Marsh Grove, Marshall County, Minnesota:
Hans A. Dynge, born "Jun 1838", but could be "Jan" as the census enumerator wrote "June" for others. Born in Norway, emigrated in 1880, a farmer.
Gjertrud, born Sep 1832 in Norway, emigrated in 1881. mother of 6, 5 living
George, grandson, born August 1891 in S. Dakota"

I am curious about the notation attached to Gjertrud. I have an image of the 1900 Federal Census for Marsh Grove but this notation is not on that document.

Thanks for you hekp.

Re: ROARK

cgc1228 — 2009-06-06 15:19:42Z

I am not familair with the exodus of the Roarks from Allen co/Macon Co TN/Smith Co/TN. But I am a descendent of the William Roark (Rev War) who resided in Puncheon Creek area of Allen Co. KY. His is my ggggg grandfather. How can a a grandson be sheriff in 1757?

Re: Is Victor Goldsmith Adams buried in Washington State?

mel5454 — 2009-05-27 22:36:50Z

yes, he is interred at a cemetary in Seattle.

Hollingsworths

2009-05-27 15:28:02Z

I am hoping to find decendants of a lady named Kate Hollingsworth and her daughter Bernice. I believe that Kate's husband's name was William. They left Transylvania County, North Carolina sometime before 1920 or so and went to the State of Washington. I have letters found in my late mother's things from them to her which I would love to share with this family. The letters were mailed in Pacific City, Washington.Not sure that we were directly related. One of my ancestors name was Alexander. Believe that Kate's maiden name was Thrift.

Re: John Harvey

ClaraJacobson — 2009-05-22 23:53:19Z

Family search has a possible: a John Harvey born Oct 1861 Scotland and wife Odelia (married circa 1889) living in Klickitat County, WA, his occupation is listed as blacksmith.

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?...

Re: John Harvey

alms107 — 2009-05-22 23:15:20Z

Beth,
Thanks for the link. I have already looked at the Ellis Island site and he is not listed. My 85yr old aunt thinks he would have come back to the US sometime in the mid to late 1880s. I do know that when I checked the Ellis Island for his sisters and my paternal great-grandmother and grandmother, they didn't list who they were coming to, will have to dig deeper.

Alyson

Re: John Harvey

bethrau1 — 2009-05-22 23:08:51Z

Hi Alyson,

Do you have any other dates you can provide? Approximate dates of travel to and from England? Do you know how long he lived, or the latest date the family knows he was living?

Here is the link to the Washington State Digital Archives where you can search through some death, naturalization, marriage and other records:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

If he was in Ellis Island records when he returned to the U.S., it will list who he was traveling to join in the U.S. The records can be accessed on Ancestry.com, or on the Ellis Island website with free registration:

http://www.ellisisland.org/

Once you find and / or post more information, especially dates, I will be happy to see whether I can find other records for you.

Beth
not related

Re: 1901 census

mcyoho77 — 2009-03-06 21:37:44Z

Estella,
I have the census information as well as the birth information. Benjamin Dawson was adopted by Thomas and Catherine. Benjamin's real last name is Manthey.

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Re: eliza marshall of adams county

11944 — 2009-03-22 02:57:57Z

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH

Name: William Deaton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Age in 1870: 56
Birthplace: North Carolina

Name: Martha J Deaton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Age in 1870: 39
Birthplace: Kentucky

children
Sarah C 18
Martha J 14
Robert 16
Rebecca 11
LOUISE 9 abt 1861
Cynthia A 6
William M 3
James S 3
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 5, Rockcastle, Kentucky; Roll: M593_497; Page: 76; Image: 153
Post Office: Mount Vernon
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Name: Wm Deaton
Age in 1860: 35
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: North Carolina

Name: Martha Deaton
Age in 1860: 30
Birth Year: abt 1830
Birthplace: North Carolina
children
Richard 15
Elizabeth Rose 13 abt 1847
G W 10
XXXX Sarah C 8
XXXX Robert 6
XXXX Martha J 4
XXXX Rebecca 1
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Rockcastle, Kentucky; Roll: M653_393; Page: 0; Image: 521
Post Office: Mount Vernon
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Name: Eliza F Marshall
Age in 1910: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Kentucky
Father's Birth Place: North Carolina
Mother's Birth Place: North Carolina

Spouse's Name: Ezra F age 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Washington [Michigan] ?

children
Name: Arthur Theorman Marshall
Age in 1910: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Missouri

XXXXXName: Bruce Marshall
Age in 1910: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Kansas

Name: James E Bedingfield Marshall
Age in 1910: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Birthplace: Arkansas

Name: Fay Marshall
Age in 1910: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Birthplace: Kansas

Name: Nana M Cole
Lodger
Name: Jeneva F Cole
Lodger
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Fairview, Adams, Washington; Roll: T624_1653; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 9; Image: 246
=========================
Name: Bruce R Marshall
Age: 1
Birth Date: Mar 1899
Birthplace: Kansas
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father's Name: Ezra
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Cora A
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan

Name: Ezra Marshall
[Ezra F Marshall]
Age: 47
Birth Date: Jan 1853
Birthplace: New York
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Spouse's Name: Cora A
Marriage Year: 1887
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 13
Children
Vida M Marshall 6
Bruce R Marshall 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Rochester, Kingman, Kansas; Roll: T623_484 Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 116
Residence : Peters & Rochester Townships, Kingman, Kansas

Re: WA Marriages???

RBestrom7380 — 2009-03-14 06:35:02Z

Here is the short answer:
http://www.doh.wa.gov/EHSPHL/CHS/cert.htm
But, since your information is limited...not a very good chance they will consider doing a search. I looked in the Washington Archives, but no records for these names.

So, going back to what you know:

You have the name of "Alyce Clara", do you have her date of birth, place of birth. Her DOB would be great. How about her date of death? That would be very good also. If you can establish her date of death, that would identify her Social Security Number.

Then, using that number, you could request a copy of her application for that number, the SS-5. That would identify where and when she was born and the names of her parents. All of that should lead to information that could identify where they married.

You said you traced him through military records...here...don't know where "here" is; but, I don't have his military records, so had to see:
Neil Thompson, born 20 Jul 1904, died 2 Jan 1949, buried Los Angeles National Cemetery, section 245, Row E, site 19.
--Have you obtained his death certificate, an obituary?
--If he was living in Los Angeles at and before his death, local city directories (Polks?) would/should identify him, his spouse, his occupation, where they lived.
--This is also true for other places he lived. Have the Polk Directories reviewed to see if he had a spouse with him. They are published yearly.

Did he have any children? If so, obtain their birth certificates. That "should" identify the full maiden name of the mother.

Did he divorce his wife? If so, Superior Court records would identify information. NOT necessarily her maiden name, depending on the documents. I've looked at enough of them to know that some, even in the same county, have glaringly less information.

I looked for ANY Alyce Clara, and this one came up. There are a few "coincidences" in the criteria being sought (Colorado). But, there is NO proof this is the correct person. If it was, they would have had to been divorced before his death. I am ONLY leaving this here for your future elimination of others presenting this person; or to add facts if this person does appear again.
The California Death Index has an Alyce Clara Good, born Alyce Clara Sorensen on 7 Nov 1910 in Nebraska. She died 4 April 1986 in Los Angeles County, CA. Mother's maiden was Jensen. She was buried in Fort Logan National Cemetery, Denver, Colorado, wife of Albert Lacey Good. A Lacey Albert Good, born 9 Oct 1913, died 19 April 1979 is buried with her.
--The SSDI has Lacey Good, "last residence" in Castle Rock, Douglas Co, Colorado.
--California Voter Registration has both living in Los Angeles in 1948 at 343 Dayman Street. Lacey was living alone in 1940. In 1942, he was living with Alyce in Los Angeles. Thus, it "appears" they married around 1940-1942.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Pauline Bertelsdtr. Rott (Roth) and Gabriel Espedal

RBestrom7380 — 2009-03-02 06:52:27Z

First, the "Confirmation" is not of her birth. A baptism occurs after birth. Confirmation is a study of religion in the church that is usually done by a child at age 14/15. The link you sent is her confirmation completed on 27 September 1903.

The person identified in this confirmation report were not her parents, probably her sponsors. Pauline was born to a man named Berkel. In Norway at the time, Patronymics, the naming system was still in effect:
> Here are two of the major sites for learning about Patronymics and farm names:
>
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/index.html The home page:
> ---Go to and click on "My Articles", You will see 12 articles on getting
> started, Naming Practices, farm names, etc.

She was also born on the Rott or Rett Farm. Her birth was on 13 November 1888, babtised on 25 November 1888.
Here is the parish record for her birth:
Permanent Pagelink:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6287&i...
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070103330302....
This shows she was the daughter of Bertel Johan Nilsen Rott, born 1853; and Bertha Eliasdtr (Elias's daughter), born 1856. The other names are sponsors.

The New York arrivals for the SS Caronia on October 8, 1908
Pauline N. Roth, a servant age 20, her father was Bertle N. Roth. She is enroute to Aberdeen, WA. Second page shows she was enroute to her sister Serine Rega, North C. Street, Aberdeen, she was 5 foot, 6 1/2 inches in height.
--Is Serine, sister of Pauline, your GG-Grandmother.

Birger Espedal. I find a Birger Roy Espedal; but he was born in 1918 to Armand and Astrid Espedal in Hoquiam, Grays Harbor Co, Washington.

As for Pauline, as I wrote:
-- The Washington Death Index has Pauline Haukeli died 11 Nov 1981, in Hoquiam, her "residence" was in Aberdeen
--Nels T. Espedal, died 27 August 1939 in Aberdeen, Grays Harbor
--Robert S. Espedal born 17 April 1923, died 26 Sep 2002 in Aberdeen, Grays Harbor, WA.
The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx .
--In 1939, obituaries were not as popular as they are today; but beginning wide acceptance, so you have a chance to finding this one. Tell the library his name, when and where he died. As for Pauline, give them the above and they should be able to find her obit.

I looked for the children, except for Robert found nothing on them. The problem with bygdeboker, many are not based on facts. Many have basis of parish records; but then add family data not necessarily supported by fact. It "appears" by your posting that "Pauline married an Espedal and he was a photographer", but both Nels and Gabriel were photographers. Could they be the same person? Yes, except that the World War I Draft Registration had different dates of birth for each. If Gabriel had registered in 1917 and Nels in 1918; but both had the same DOB, then I'd suspect they were the same person. Could both have been brothers and both photographers? Possibly.

The Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness has three volunteers in Grays Harbor County. All three do lookups in public records. But read the guidelines first, you can not contact all three at once. "Nancy" doesn't live in Grays Harbor, but goes there in-frequently. "Barbara" lives in Elma. "Bob" didn't say.
http://www.raogk.org/washingt.htm

I looked at the few cemetery cemeteries in Gray Harbor county that were actually transcribed...no sucess.

You need to attempt to obtain the obits from the Washington Library. Then repost your findings either here or in the Grays Harbor County message board.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Pauline Bertelsdtr. Rott (Roth) and Gabriel Espedal

RBestrom7380 — 2009-03-02 00:20:24Z

First, whenever you post, it is very important to include specific dates about the people you seek. Their date of birth is especially helpful, the year of immigration, place of marriage, place of death, etc. In this case, the names were adequate for research; but if you are seeking someone like Ole Olsen, then you MUST be VERY specific.

I read your other postings and find you have a basic understanding on background on research in Norway. But, let me add what I did to another of your postings:
First, I'd like to recommend the Norway List for any research in Norway. It is a mailing list, so all postings are received via your email on an individual basis, or in a digest basis (Several at once). This group of "Family" helps in genealogy, travel, culture, food, etc. It specifically "teaches" on how to do your research in the Digital Archives (The Norwegian DigitalArkivet), where you can find Norwegian parish records, emigration, census and many other databases. You can find out more here and subscribe:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/NorwayList.htm

Now for your search. I didn't do any emigration research in Norway. You may already have done that from the DigitalArkivet. I didn't look for the arrival of the ship carrying Pauline, you may have this also.

I do have a problem with the results of the search. I do find Pauline's marriage to a Nels Espedal, a Gabriel is a witness. I find records for Pauline returning from Norway in 1914 with two children, returning to her husband Gabriel in Aberdeen. I find Gabriel as a photographer in 1917, the Nels marrying Pauline in 1913 was a photographer. After 1917, I don't find Gabriel, but Nels is found in 1920, 1930 census marriage to Pauline; but with different children than the Pauline had with her in 1914 on her return to Gabriel. Nels died in 1939, Pauline remarried in 1941.
--So, it appears Pauline married Nels and Gabriel is a family member, as from the marriage certificate. They both appear in the 1917/1918 World War I draft images.
--Perhaps you have more information. If you have Paulines date of birth that would help.

1906: Gabriel: In the New York Passenger Lists, arriving on May 3, 1906 on the Carmania from Liverpool, England: (This voyage from Liverpool indicates he used the common system at that time of using a "shuttle" ship from Norway to Hull, England; then a carriage or train to Liverpool for the transatlantic voyage. This was called Transmigration. His emigration information could also be located on the Norwegian DigitalArkivet, which would show the date of emigration and the ship). Since your other postings have identified you know about the DigitalArkivet, I won't search for their emigration record. If you haven't found them, repost and I'll look.
--The image shows: Gabriel T, age 19 (circa 1886/1887), traveling from Hogsfjord (sic) to Aberdeen, Washington. He and below were traveling to 1009 East First Street in Aberdeen. The notation for the others indicated "To our Cousin, Daniel Espedal. He was traveling with Anders B. 21, Borge T 17, and Erik H? 18 Frafjord. You may already have this information. If not, the actual image is available.

The 1910 Census for Aberdeen, Chehalis County (Now known as Grays Harbor, Co).
Daniel Espedal, age 27, born in Norway
Tena C. 25, born in Nebraska to father born in Norway, mother in Nebraska
Inez G, age 2
Nels Espedal, boarder, age 30, born in Norway, immigrated 1901
Torval Espedal, boarder, 22, Norway, immigrated 1908
Eric Fraford, age 25, immigrated 1906
Mike Espedal, age 24, immigrated 1907
Andres Fraford, 23, immigrated 1906
--All the men worked in the lumber yard.

There is no Gabriel Espedal/Espedahl found

1913.
The Washington Digital Archives: http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx
has the record of marriage of Nels T. Espedal, age 32 (circa 1881) and Pauline Rettedal, age 26. An image of the certificate is available. The couple were married in the presence of Gabriel T. Espedal and Mrs G. Espedal. The couple had an address of 510 Burlei Ave. Pauline was the daughter of Rasmus S. Rettedal(as written) in Norway and Terine Ronering? in Norway. Nels was a photographer.
--This Pauline matches the "Rott." that you showed (?).

1914... Border Crossings from Canada to the USA 1895-1956, March 15, 1914, arrival at Halifax, Nova Scotia.
Pauline Espedal, age 25, "Husband nat (naturalized) #298211, Superior Court, Chehalis County, Washington, October 5th, 1912". Address in United States, "Husband: Gabriel Espedal, 510 Burlie Ave, Aberdeen, Wash.
Ragna, age 3, born Aberdeen, WA
Birger, age 1, born Aberdeen, WA

The World War I Draft Registration Card Image database has both Gabriel and Nels registering for the draft:
---Gabriel T. Espedahl, born February 16, 1887 in Stavanger, Norway. He was living at 910 Randall, Aberdeen, WA He was a photographer, owning his own studio. He was married and had two children. The card shows he registered on June 5, 1907; but it must have been June 5, 1917. That was the first registration date. It was a celebration across the country for registration for the war. He was medium in height, medium in build, blue eyes and light brown hair.
---Nels T. Espedal, born January 30, 1881. He was living at 510 Burleigh, Aberdeen, WA. He was working for the Wilson Brothers and the U.S. Government as a lumber Insp. His nearest relative was Mrs. Pauline Espedal (wife), at 510 Burleigh Ave. He registered on Sept 12, 1918, as required for his year of birth. He was short, medium in build, Lt blue eyes, lt brown hair.
--As you can see Gabriel was a photographer in 1917, Nels was a lumber insp in 1918...and this Nels continued in lumber in the below census. Gabriel disappears.

The 1920 Census for Aberdeen, Grays Harbor Co, WA
at 510 Burleigh Ave
Nels Espedal, age 39, immigrated 1901, naturalized 1906, talley man at the lumber yard
Pauline, age 33, immigrated 1912
Thorstad, son, age 5 10/12. Census was enumerated the 13th day of January. So, he was born about March 1914.

The 1930 Census for Aberdeen, Grays Harbor Co.
At 410 Burleigh Ave. (the 1920 or 1930 address is either wrong, or there was a numbering system change).
Nels T. age 49, immigrated 1901, tally man at the lumber yard, first married at age 31 (18 years before)
Pauline N, 43, immigrated 1912, first married age 27 (16 years before)("probably an enumerator error, but Nels could have been married before).
Thorstan (as written), age 16
Robert S, 6.

The WA Death Certificate Index
--Nels T. Espedal, died 27 August 1939 in Aberdeen, Grays Harbor, WA at age 58 years, 6 months and 27 days (1881, January 30, matches the World War I Draft data). He was married to Pauline Rettedal. His father was Thorstein Espedal, mother Rachael Frafjord. The name of his mother matches the name of the men traveling with Gabriel in 1906.
--This database also shows a Nils (sic) T. Espedal arrival in New York from Stavanger via Liverpool on 14 April 1901 on the "Umbria". He was 20. Gabriel was 19 when he arrived in 1906.

The Washington Digital Archives, database above, shows a marriage of Pauline Espedal to Gunder R. Haukeli in Grays Harbor County, at Aberdeen on 6 November 1941. Witnesses were Alfred H.O. Erickson and A. Malinda Erickson. So, this indicates that Pauline remarried about two years after the death of Nels.
--The 1910 Census shows a "G.R. Haukeli" in Aberdeen, born about 1865 in Norway.

The Washington Death Index has Pauline Haukeli died 11 Nov 1981 in Hoquiam, her "residence" was in Aberdeen. She was 95. Her SSN was 535-12-4449. You could obtain an image of her application for this SSN (SS-5). It would show the names of her parents.

The Social Security Death Index has Robert S. Espedal born 17 April 1923, died 26 Sep 2002 in Aberdeen, Grays Harbor, WA.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Bacon,Hattie death certificate

LBarchus3832 — 2009-03-28 21:10:39Z

thank you for answering since i didn't have a certificate number i was able to get an obituary notice by going to the public library
are you any relation to this family

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

Joyful — 2009-04-14 16:58:31Z

The Digital Archives transcription from his death record says the father is Chas. M. Rawson, and the mother is Francis Brockmann. Wife: Myrtle Rawson
Recorded in Seattle, King County, Washington 1923

Re: Wilfred Savage United Kingdom

Joyful — 2009-04-14 16:52:25Z

Washington Digital Archives has a marriage record in 1991 for an Allison Marie Miller to Gregory David Perry in Chelan County. It says Allison was from East Wenatchee, Douglas County, Washington at the time of the marriage.

I have no way of knowing if this is the right Allison Miller, but you can see the image at

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov

Joy

Re: Pauline Bertelsdtr. Rott (Roth) and Gabriel Espedal

ClaraJacobson — 2009-03-04 01:25:40Z

"The Aberdeen Daily World" Aberdeen, Washington, of Monday Evening, Aug.28, 1939

Espedal, Lumber Inspector, Dies

Nels T. Espedal, 58, resident of Aberdeen for 38 years since coming direct from Norway, died Sunday night at a local hospital following a long illness.

Mr. Espedal was a Pacific Lumber Inspection Bureau inspector and resided at 410 Burleigh street. He was an active member of Our Saviour's Lutheran church.

He is survived by his wife, Mrs. Pauline Espedal; two sons, Torstein and Robert; a grandson Ronald and two brothers, Anders and Albert Espedal, all of Aberdeen. Six brothers reside in Norway.

Services will be conducted at 2 o'clock Wednesday at Our Saviour's Lutheran church with Rev. T. T. Ove officiating. Concluding services will be at Fern Hill cemetery under direction of the Elerding company.
* * *
"The Daily World" Aberdeen, Washington, Thursday, November 12, 1981, pg A10

Pauline Haukeli

Pauline Haukeli, 95, a resident of Aberdeen for 71 years, died Wednesday at a local nursing home.

Born July 19, 1886, at Stadanger, Norway, she came to Aberdeen in 1910.

In 1941, she married Gunnar Haukeli. He died in 1944.

She was a charter member of Our Saviour's Lutheran Church, a member of the Sons of Norway and Faith Circle of Our Saviour's Lutheran Church.

Survivors include two sons, Robert Espedal and Torstein Espedal, both of Aberdeen; three grandchildren, Mrs. Dennis (Virgil) Daniels of Chehalis, Bobby Kay Espedal White of Chula Vista, Calif; and Ronald Espedal of Aberdeen; a niece, Mrs. Sigrund Espedal of Arlington, Wash.; five step-granchildren; 16 great-grandchildren, and other relatives.

The funeral will be at 3 p.m. Friday at the Fern Hill Funeral Home. Further information will be announced in the funeral notice column.
* * *
"The Daily World" Aberdeen, Wash., Saturday, Sept. 28, 2002, pg 46

Robert "Haywire" Espedal

Lifelong Aberdonian Robert S. "Haywire" Espedal died Thursday, Sept. 26, 2002, at his home of an extended illness. He was 79.

Mr. Espedal was born on April 17, 1923, in Aberdeen to Nels and Pauline (Rettedal) Espedal.

He was raised here and graduated from Aberdeen's Weatherwax High School in 1941.

He joined the Marine Corps and served during World War II.

Mr. Espedal was retired, but had worked as a cabinet maker at Major Lines, and also worked at the Goldberg Furniture store.

He married Alrina L. Spicer on April 4, 1972, at the Calvary Lutheran Church in Aberdeen. She survives him at the family home.

He was a lifetime member of the Marine Corps League, where he was a member of the Devil Dogs.

He was also a member of the VFW, Disabled American Veterans and the Eagles.

He enjoyed playing golf, and in his younger days enjoyed shuffle board, pool and playing cards.

In addition to his wife, he is survived by two sons, Terry Johnson of Kennewick and Vic Johnson of Hoquiam; five daughters, Vicki Daniels of Chehalis, Bobbi Douglas of Santa Cruz, Calif., Yvonne Billings of Aberdeen, Janine Hislop of Centralia, and Renae Boyer of Elma; 20 grandchildren and 26 great-grandchildren.

A brother Torstein, died before him.

No service will be held at his request, but a gathering of friends and family will be held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday, Sept. 29, at Amazing Grace Lutheran Church on 4th and I Street in Aberdeen.

Inurnment is planned for a later date at Fern Hill Cemetery.

Memorials are suggested to Amazing Grace Lutheran Church and the American Cancer Society.

Arrangements are by Evergreen Mortuary & Cremation of Grays Harbor.

Re: eliza marshall of adams county

ClaraJacobson — 2009-03-22 16:45:51Z

at: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?...

There is a death certificate for Eliza Frances Marshal died 10 March 1923, Lind, Adams County, WA, parents Tom Deaton and Martha Rose

William Silvers (Dick) Morris, Bishop Logging Co., Ca. 1920

kentuckboy97 — 2009-03-30 21:03:58Z

Am searching for what happened to William Silvers Morris. He was born in Missouri in 1890. A picture of him is marked Silvers (Dick) Morris, ca. 1920 near Bishop--I am assuming the logging location was Bishop. He was married and had a son. Wife and son's name unknown. He contacted pneumonia and died. My wife was his niece and he died before she was born. Information desired as widow and son's name and did widow remarry and did son retain surname of Morris. Any help would certainly be appreciated. Thank you! Dennis

Re: Pauline Bertelsdtr. Rott (Roth) and Gabriel Espedal

celestialangel97701 — 2009-03-02 03:32:58Z

Here is the emigration record for pauline nilsen roth.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

and here is the confirmation of her birth in Haland.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4461&i...

I have the Local history bygdebok from that area. It states that Pauline married an Espedal and he was a photographer. Her Children's names were Borgny, Ragna, And Birger Espedal.

Can you find those names in any of the records you found.

Pauline Bertelsdtr. Rott (Roth) and Gabriel Espedal

celestialangel97701 — 2009-03-06 00:18:12Z

I am trying to track down some information on my Great Great Aunt Pauline Bertelsdtr. Rott. She was born in Rogaland, Norway. She was married to a Gabriel T. Espedal. They both emigrated over to the United States and ended up In washington. Does anybody have any information on where they ended up in Washington or information on their children? According to my records they had 3.

John Harvey

alms107 — 2009-05-22 14:32:11Z

I do hope someone can help. I am looking from my great-grandmother's brother. He came to this country from Scotland, married and took wife and daughter back to Orkney when she suffered from what is now called post-partum depression. She was an American, died in Orkeny, he left the daughter with famkily there and returned to the states. My great-grandmother had come to America to her brother before he married. When he came back he didn't come to Pennsylvania, last family knew was he went to Washington, but that is all we know. He was born 1860-1861. My great-grandmother's name was Amelia as was their mother's. Father's name was Robert, John's name may be John Robert Harvey, not sure. Parents were first cousins.

Alyson L. McSweeny
alms107@msn.com

eliza marshall of adams county

maryshackelford1 — 2009-03-21 04:37:36Z

Seeking any information about Eliza (Louise) Marshall who lived in Fairview, Adams co in 1910. Her husband's name was Ezra F Marshall. She was born in 1861 in KY, probably Rockcastle co and her parents could be William and Martha Deaton. There were children listed in the 1910 census, three who might belong to her husband only and two that were likely hers by previous marriages., Arthur Thurman and James E Bedingfield.

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

SheWoreLemon — 2009-04-05 08:30:45Z

I just want to clarify that there is no Gottenburg in Nebraska, George was born in Gothenburg, Dawson Co., NE. (I know you said the writing was unclear on the document, wanted to set you in the right direction should you want to send for a birth certificate!)

Re: William Silvers (Dick) Morris, Bishop Logging Co., Ca. 1920

SheWoreLemon — 2009-04-05 08:21:10Z

I found a census record that I think belongs to your relative. It's for a William S. Morris of Warm Springs, Inyo county, California (Bishop, CA, was also in Inyo county), born about 1891 in Missouri. His wife's name is Mabel and his 2 year old son is named Richard. http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbi...

He's still alive as of 1930. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=...

I didn't find a death record for your William Morris, but the California Death Index (of deaths from 1940-1997) shows a William Silvers Morris born 16 Sep 1951 (in California) and dying 21 Aug 1981 (in Sacramento). The mother's maiden name is Kennedy. Maybe this is his grandson?
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=...=

Re: Lokking for info on Mary Mccormack Graves

SheWoreLemon — 2009-04-05 07:15:24Z

Do you have any more information that might help us locate her on a census, like place or year of birth? Who her spouse or children were? What years she might have lived in Washington? Do you think she died here?

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

bethrau1 — 2009-03-28 03:48:31Z

Kathleen, I find an old post from 2000 which you replied to in 2007. It was from "Anonymous" who said her grandmother was Margaret Elizabeth Mehegan BAGGS. Did you ever get into contact with that person? It's frustrating that they only posted that one time.

You might want to try a trial subscription to www.newspaperarchive.com , which includes many MEHEGAN articles from the Syracuse area.

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

bethrau1 — 2009-03-28 03:32:20Z

I'll check all I can find for a Margaret / Maggie and etc. BAGGS and get back to you if I find anything conclusive.

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

bethrau1 — 2009-03-28 03:25:28Z

Hi Kathleen,

I'm not new to genealogy research, it's a time-consuming fun hobby, but I'm at a loss to find Ira and family in any 1910 census, or to find his wife and child. I subscribe to several databases, and can't find them at all.

Luckily, the Seattle Archdiocese has all the Catholic burials online.

With an exact date of death you can request a free obituary (I don't find one online) from the state library:

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask_form.aspx

Beth

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

bethrau1 — 2009-03-28 03:03:22Z

I can't find anything conclusive for you. Typing things as I found them:

I find a newspaper report that Ira MEHEGAN left Oswego Falls, NY, for Tacoma in early May, 1894, to work as a civil engineer, although he was already enumerated in the April 1, 1892, Washington State census. I also find note that he was the superintendent of the Wilkeson Coal and Coke Company, Wilkeson, Pierce County, Washington, in 1903.

Unfortunately, I don't find any mention of him in the Washington State Digital Archives:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

I found a 1976 Syracuse newspaper article about the son of Leo J. and Margaret Mehegan Murphy, entering the priesthood (might be too young to be the correct Margaret Mehegan?). A Margaret Murphy is listed as surviving a brother, William f. Mehegan, who died in Fulton, NY, in 1990 at the age of 79. She also had a sister Helen C. Mehegan, who died in 1987 in Fulton, NY.

Another possibility might be the Margaret Mehegan HARDING, listed in 1925 as an alumni of the Oregon Agricultural College, teacher in Umapine, Oregon.

The family should be in the 1910 WA census, as Ira S. MEHEGAN died 05/01/1913 and is buried in the Calvary Cemetery in Seattle, as found in the Catholic cemetery database. No other MEHEGAN burials. I wonder whether Margaret / Maggie senior remarried? I don't find her in later records.

Ira might be the Ira MAHEGAN [sic], son of Daniel and Rose, born NY, parents born Ireland, found in the 1880 NY, Oswego County, Granby census.

Beth
not related

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

bethrau1 — 2009-03-04 23:41:59Z

The Washington State Digital Archives could have saved you a lot of work in your search for George William RAWSON's parents names.

Please double check the death date if you haven't sent for a death certificate; the online death record lists it as 12 Feb 1923:

Here is the link to the main search page for the online archives:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

Re: DENCHEL, ZAHL, HARDING

denchel1 — 2009-05-06 06:01:31Z

I am the grandson of Walter Otto Fredrick Denchel, who was married to Susan Hoppe, my father was Hilmer Denchel, I understand that they came from Milwauke WI, Please reply if you have any connection to this family

I believe the decended from Germany in the alsace lorraine region?! Just herd this mentioned from family members

Re: GROOMS, BOONE, WHITELY

suewhiteley178 — 2009-02-19 21:56:24Z

GYoungman,
I would like to hear more what information you have in your family tree. I am Cassandra Boone Whiteleys great great granddaughter. Perhaps we are related. I am a decendant of one of the sons of Cassandra and Frances Marion Whiteley. His name was Lindsay Boone Whiteley. I have a Whiteley family tree. Where do you fit in?
Sue

Wilfred Savage United Kingdom

jsav2 — 2009-04-22 00:32:15Z

Hi everyone , this is my first post so i hope i am in the correct section. My name is John Savage , Wilfred was my Gt uncle he was married to Marjorie Askew and they had a daughter called Eileen . Eileen was born about 1948 in the uk,
she married a John Bernard Miller and they had 2 children
called Alison & Alex . I believe they moved to Washington I am not sure which part .I know the info is a bit vague but if anyone knows of them or of other family members i would be very grateful for any info given . Thank you

Maggie Baxter Mcnay Watson and daughter Mary

DonaC — 2009-04-25 11:06:56Z

Trying to find out any information regarding
Maggie Baxter McNay Watson - D.O.B @1877, Scotland immigrated to Canada 1914, working as a domestic in Medicine Hat for a Mr Smith, eventually she moved to the Calgary area . It is believed that she married Mr ..?.. Watson sometime between 1923 and 1930, Maggie had a daughter, known as Mary Watson, who was born sometime between 1914 and 1925. Maggie's first husband James McNay died 1923 in Scotland. They had 5 children, the youngest two James McNay(Jimmy)b. 1907, Scotland and Maggie McNay(Peggy) b. 1910, may have lived with her for awhile in Calgary. During the 1920's for a short period of time Maggie Baxter McNay and her entourage lived in the logging/mill town of Jacksonboro, Ontario which is near Kapuskasing, Ontario, Canada
Maggie, Mr Watson and Mary is said to have moved to British Columiba,in the 1930's and possibly moved to Washington State in the 1940's
Any information is greatly appreciated as Maggie is my brickwall.
Thank you

Lokking for info on Mary Mccormack Graves

brandeemartinez — 2009-04-02 00:23:54Z

I am looking for information on my great aunt. I know that she was in the WA area for a while ANY info would be greatly appreciated!!!

Re: Maggie Baxter Mcnay Watson and daughter Mary

judyartley53 — 2009-05-05 11:05:45Z

Hi Dona,
I looked in www.ancestry.com, FamilySearch and Washington State Digital Archives but didn't find Maggie, Mr. Watson or Mary. The latest U. S. Census that is viewable at this time is the 1930 Census. The 1940 Census will be released next year but I don't know how long it will take before an index is released for it.

FamilySearch and Washington State Digital Archives images are being loaded by volunteers and not all of the images have been loaded yet.

I think I'd go back to Canada since you have more solid information for when they lived there. If you've not done much searching in Canada, look up the CanadaGenWeb site, www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canwgw/ . They have a guide on how to research in Canada. Successful Searching!

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

kcookcurtis — 2009-03-28 04:03:08Z

Hi Beth,
I did try to get in touch with Shawn, who had written about his grandmother, Margaret Mehegan Baggs, but never got a response. I will sign up for the newspaper subscription. I wondered about the Catholic cemetary database and how I find out about that. You have helped me so much just today.
Kathleen

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

kcookcurtis — 2009-03-28 03:20:01Z

Dear Beth,

How can I ever thank you?!
I have been searching for where/when Ira died for a long time to no avail.

The son, Kevin, who became a priest is the same family, he was my third cousin. He died at 33.

I believe that Ira and Margaret had one daughter, Margaret, perhaps that is the same Margaret who graduated from the teacher's college.

I am so grateful to you for your help and time and hope this message gets to you. I am new at this. (geneology) I will see if I can find an obituary for Ira.

Yes, Ira is the son of Daniel and Rose. They lived in Oswego County, New York, where I grew up.

Thank you very very much. kathleen curtis

Re: Williams-Mehegan marriage

kcookcurtis — 2009-03-28 03:31:07Z

Thank you -- I did request an obituary. I have notes from a family member that say that Ira and Margaret had a child, Margaret, and she married and became Margaret Baggs. If you have any suggestions on how to proceed, I would appreciate them so much.
Kathleen

Williams-Mehegan marriage

kcookcurtis — 2009-03-27 16:15:39Z

I am looking for information about Margaret Williams, who married a great great uncle of mine, Ira Mehegan, in the State of Washington in 1901. I believe they had a daughter Margaret. I do not know if the daughter, Margaret, had any children or where she lived. Any information would be appreciated!

Re: WA Marriages???

jcnreno1 — 2009-03-14 17:07:07Z

Ron, That was a thoughtful reply to my post. Thank you.
I have all the information I need on Neil Thompson, birth and death, etc.
My problem in finding his wife's maiden name. I've looked for years. His death certificate states his wife was ALYCE CLARA D. His obituary says his wife was ALYCE CLARA. Neil died in California as you found in the records in 1949. ALYCE then moved to POLK Co. FLORIDA where she had relatives. I do not know the names of her relatives, but it was said a brother was named Frank or Francis. ALYCE reportedly died in FLORIDA in the 1970s and did not remarry. I have never found her death certificate in FLORIDA, nor her SS Number. It was said she may have been self employed or worked for the military and did not use a SS#. She was some type of executive secretary.
A family story states Neil married ALYCE in WWII. She was was from "back East." Since he was in MA to end the WAR, I assumed he married her in MA. I checked in MA for a marriage but none found. I did find a family with a ALICE CLARA in MA. I also checked for a marriage in nearby state of NH with no luck. I also checked in Colorado for a marriage but no luck. I checked Yuma Co. AZ for a marriage but no luck. I checked some counties in CA for a marriage, but no luck.
The prime target now is WA. But marriage data prior to 1950 is located in each county according to the link you
provided. I will have to check all of the counties in WA which could get expensive if they charge for a search.
His obit read: Neil Thompson, 43, of 879 Sierra Way, a veteran of World War II, died Sunday at Norco Naval Hospital. A native of Glencoe, Texas, he had been a resident of San Bernardino and of California only seven months.
Surviving are a widow, Mrs. Alyce Thompson; three brothers and five sisters in the east. He was a member of the V.F.W. post in Yuma, Arizona.
Funeral services will be held Thursday at 10A.M. at Stephens AND Bobbitt chapel. Interment will follow at Sawtelle cemetery, Los Angeles. (end)
The funeral home stated in a letter to me that their records said his wife was ALYCE CLARA with no other information.
MA has this birth record for an ALICE C. Donnly
Alice C. Donnly born 1916, Middlesex, MA
This would have been about the right birth date for her.
I found this census data for her in MA:
Evelyon Donnly 24
Mary L. Donnly 23
Alice G.? (not C.) Donnly 17
Lee J. Donnly 12
Walfred F. Donnly 8
Earl Francis Donnly F. 3. Note the name Francis.
This was near Ft Devin, where Neil was probably discharged from the Army.

I have tried to get photos from both sides of Neil’s headstone in Sawtelle National Cemetery in Calif.
I’ve had no luck with RAOGK. There is a chance the reverse side of the stone contains the name of Alyce. I do not know who can get that photo for me.

I contacted a professional genealogist in MA to do research but he said he could probably could NOT add to what I already did, so save my money.

I’ve learned that Alice was 5'6" tall. Very intelligent. Blonde hair, blue eyes and beautiful. She lived in Lake Wales of Polk County FL. She played the Piano. She lived her last few years with her brother who took care of her as she arthritis.

Thompson, Neil, b. 07/20/1904, d. 01/02/1949, PFC 416TH SIGNAL CO 8 AF, (ARMY)
Plot: 245 19/RE, bur. 01/07/1949. The VFW building in Yuma burned down with all the records. I cannot find any VFW or other organization to answer me in San Bernardino, California.
It was said ALYCE was active in supporting the military, perhaps supporting the VFW, but I do not know where to look for that data.

Looks like my current effort should be in WA until the 1940 census is available which may give some additional data.

Neil Thompson Military records: #06 537 258
First service: October 24, 1927 to June 7, 1929
Second service June 17, 1942 to February 3, 1943
In: Pendleton Oregon. Out Vancouver, Washington. (Wash 1930)
In Denver Colorado, out Devens, Massachusetts. (Colorado 1942, Mass. 1943)

Charles Barnum
Reno NV

WA Marriages???

jcnreno1 — 2009-03-12 04:20:09Z

How is the best way to search for WA marriages?
A Neil Thompson was in the following states and dates according to his military records. He married ALYCE CLARA_____ somewhere along the way.

Neil Thompson was born 20 July 1904 in Glen Cove, Coleman County, Texas. By 1925 he was in Alamogordo, Otero County, NM. I have traced him through Military and other records here:
1927 Oregon nto married
1929 Colorado not married
1942 Washington if married unknown
1943 Massachusetts if married unknown
???? New Mexico
1947-48 Yuma AZ married
1949 California married and died
Suggestions are appreciated.
Charles Barnum, Reno

Re: GROOMS, BOONE, WHITELY

2009-02-19 21:55:46Z

Dear Jo,
I have just started researching my Great Great Grandmother Cassandra Boone Whiteley. I am now on the road, and won't be back to my research for at least another month, but I would love to share information with you then. Cassandra Boone was the daughter of Lindsay Boone and Sarah. I had also just discovered that Cassandra had one sister who also came out to Washington. I have information about Cassandra coming out on a wagon train to Oregon from Missouri. I believe that Lindsay Boone and Sarah had only the two children and died young.Does that agree with the information you have? Thanks.
-Sue Whiteley

JAMES EVERETT DENTON in Kirkland

GLester8838 — 2008-10-25 03:25:16Z

There is an on-line index of articles in The East Side Journal located in Kirkland. If you search it you will find the date and page James' obituary was in the newspaper. It's only an index, so you can request a Free obit lookup from the Wash. State Library. If there were any children, would think they would be mentioned in the obit.

The East Side Journal 1918-1975
http://bellevuecollege.edu/cpsha/esj/

Yes, we will do free obituary lookups! You can request an obituary by email (askalibrarian@secstate.wa.gov), or by email form, chat, telephone, or by mail--see all our contact information at ttp://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx

There are some other Denton names in the index, but no way to tell if they are connected.

Gloria

Re: Grandfather - Frank D. Hannum

GLester8838 — 2008-10-24 02:16:44Z

If you search the Tacoma Library Obits database, you will find 3 Hannum surnames, one being Frank Dudley Hannum, died 1960.

http://search.tacomapubliclibrary.org/obits/

These obits can be purchased from the library, but may not give place of burial as all do not. But, you can certainly order his death certificate from the State and that most likely would have place of burial or, at least, funeral home, which may still be in business. You can also ask the Wash. State Library for a FREE obit lookup.

Yes, we will do free obituary lookups! You can request an obituary by email (askalibrarian@secstate.wa.gov), or by email form, chat, telephone, or by mail--see all our contact information at http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx

Gloria

Re: How to obtain a marriage certificate from Washington State

mackenzietree — 2009-01-30 04:39:58Z

Thank you for replying.
I did look for Jessie Mc/MacKenzie or Richards in the 1920 and 1930 census a long time ago, and was not able to find her, although her parents were in Snohomish at that time. I've always assumed that she came with her parents sometime after 1910, but before 1920, but only from what my parents told me, no documents to support the assumption. Her father was in Scotland in 1910, and in the USA by 1920.
Nor have I found any of them on any ships list.
I do have a copy of her SS application, it is the correct person, her parents are listed as Donald MacKenzie and Phoebe Hewitt. She worked for the Pacific Telephone and Telegraph Company at the time of her application, and also from what my parents told me she worked there for many years. It does have the same SS number on it as her death certificate.
I hadn't thought about RAOGK volunteers and City Directories, I will certainly try that. And I do not have obituaries for her or her parents, so I will contact the library and see if they can find those for me.
Thank you again for the advice.
Win MacKenzie

How to obtain a marriage certificate from Washington State

mackenzietree — 2009-01-26 04:56:34Z

I need some help in finding a marriage certificate from Washington State. I don't know what county and only have a range of years - sometime between 1936 and 1948.

The couple - Jessie Mc or MacKENZIE (or possibly Richards) and George Edward SHERRY.

Jessie McKENZIE was born in 1896 Oct 12 in Belfast Ireland, but by 1936 when she applied for her SS # her surname was RICHARDS, and she had shaved 4 years off her age - stating that she was born in 1900. She was in Sacramento California when she applied for her SS #. My parents told me she had been divorced, and George was her second husband.

By 1948 (when my parents came to North America) her surname was SHERRY. So, they were married sometime between 1936 and 1948.

In 1961 Their address was 9235 8th Avenue NW, Seattle, which is also the same address when George SHERRY died 1968 June 23, and Jessie died 1970 Feb 16.

Any information about these people would be appreciated.
Win MacKenzie
mackenzietree at shaw.ca

Re: Edna Likely death date

ldmorris918 — 2008-12-14 00:09:08Z

I have a Lorin Ivy Benight, son of Hamilton and Hannah (Jones) Benight, b. feb 1876 in IN. That Benight family did live in East St. Louis, Illinois on the 1900 census. Your post is so long ago you may already have your answer-please let me know if so.

Washington State policy on adoption records

SHADOW5779 — 2008-11-22 04:08:54Z

Can anyone shed some light on the policy of WA regarding adoption records? Thanks, Trish

Re: searching luckner-family members

Barbara_Ratcliff — 2008-10-06 03:43:26Z

From The Herald, Chicago, IL, June 29, 1976:

Ernest Luckner
Services for Ernest M. Luckner, 82, of Mount Prospect, will be at 11 a.m. Wednesday in Trinity United Methodist Church, 605 W. Gulf Rd., Mount Prospect. Burial will be in Mount Emblem Cemetery, Elmhurst.

He died Sunday in Holy Family Hospital, Des Plaines. He was a retired accountant for Templeton Lime Building Supply Co.; a veteran of World War I; a member of American Legion Post No. 7; VFW Post No. 3681; Corner Stone Lodge No. 875; and Des Plaines Elks Club Lodge No.1526.

Survivors include a daughter-in-law, Doris Huseby; granddaughter, Bonnie Scovill; grandson, Warren Luckner; and five great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his wife, Florence; and a son, Robert Luckner.

Visitation will be from 3 to 5 and 7 to 9:30 p.m. today in Lauterburg and Oehler Funeral Home, 2000 E. Northwest Hwy., Arlington Heights. Memorials may be made to Trinity United Methodist Church, Mount Prospect.

Social Security Death Index:

Ernest Luckner
Date of Birth: Thursday May 24, 1894
Date of Death: June 1976
Est. Age at Death: 82 yrs
Last know residence:
City: Mount Prospect
County: Cook
State: Illinois
ZIP Code: 60056

(I am not a relative.)

Re: Laree E Miller & Samuel E Miller

11944 — 2008-09-02 00:05:24Z

Hope this helps in your search, didn't find Laree, once a female marries its hard to find them.
Good luck in your search

Name: Clarice A Miller
Home in 1930: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Birthplace: Iowa
Relation to Head of House: Head
Mother's Name: Catherine S
Children
Earl N 15 abt 1915
Larie E 12 abt 1918
Samuel E 8 abt 1922
Catherine S Falt 63
Year 1930 Census Place Portland, Multnomah, Oregon Roll 1950 Page 6B Enumeration District 158 Image 1002.0.

Name: Clarice Miller
SSN: 541-10-2444
Last Residence: 98401 Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Born: 30 Oct 1893
Died: May 1978
State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951 )
--------------------------
Name: Samuel E. Miller
SSN: 542-14-2131
Last Residence: 85029 Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona
Born: 17 Aug 1921
Died: 1 Aug 1996
State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951 )

Name: Samuel E Miller
Service Info.: TSGT US AIR FORCE WORLD WAR II, KOREA, VIETNAM
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1921
Death Date: 1 Aug 1996
Service Start Date: 9 Feb 1950
Interment Date: 6 Aug 1996
Cemetery: National Memorial Cemetery of Arizona
Cemetery Address: 23029 North Cave Creek Road Phoenix, AZ 85024
Buried At: Section 1 Site 45

I would look for an Obitaury for him if this is your Samuel E Miller.
--------------------
Name: Larry H Miller
Age: 23 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 / [abt 1887]
Birthplace: Indiana
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Clarice A
Father's Birth Place: Indiana
Mother's Birth Place: Indiana
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 187

Name: Clarice A Miller
[Clarice A Tait]
Age: 23 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Birthplace: Iowa

Name: Earl N Miller
Age: 5 years 7 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1914
Birthplace: Washington

Name: Larce E Miller
Age: 1 year 11 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1918
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Daughter

Name: Katherine S Tait
Age: 52 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Birthplace: Indiana
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Illinois
Mother's Birth Place: Indiana
Marital Status: Widow
1920Census Place Vancouver, Clark, Washington Roll T625_1922 Page 4B Enumeration District 26 Image: 187.
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Name: Larry H Miller
Age in 1910: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Birthplace: Indiana
Father's Name: Samuel P
Father's Birth Place: Indiana
Mother's Name: Ella
Mother's Birth Place: Indiana
Home in 1910: Norway, Coos, Oregon
--------------------------
Name: Katherine Tait
[Katherine Tast]
Age in 1910: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Indiana
Father's Birth Place: Indiana
Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Spouse's Name: Jack abt 1865, ohio
children
Susanah 9
Mildred 6
1910 Census Place Hartford Ward 1, Blackford, Indiana Roll T624_340 Page 7A Enumeration District 9 Image 1264.

Re: Looking for the death location of Charilla Burger-Delong

RBestrom7380 — 2008-09-11 18:13:25Z

The website: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#
Family Search identifies:
Chrilla Delong, born 9 November 1852 in Pennsylvania died on 22 Sep 1935 in Washington Township, Hardin County, Ohio at age 83 years, 10 months, and 13 days. She was a widow. She was buried in Kaw Kaw Lin (as spelled), Michigan on 23 Sep 1935. Her father was Dan Borger (as spelled) born in Pennsylvania.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Looking

RBestrom7380 — 2008-09-05 05:30:56Z

The Social Security Death Index shows a Barbara J. Harrington, born 14 November, died 23 April 2003. Her "last residence" was in Moxee, Yakima County, WA.

Obit posted in the Yakima Herald-Republic on April 26, 2003:
-Barbara Jean (Heilman) Harrington
-Barbara Jean (Heilman) Harrington , 54, of Moxee died April 23 at Garden Village in Yakima.
-Mrs. Harrington was born in Toppenish.
-Survivors include her mother, Mary Heilman; a daughter, Cynthia Knowles of Yakima; two brothers, Mike Brown of Camano Island, Wash., and Joe Heilman of Gleed; a sister, Mickey Brown of Yakima; and a grandson.
-A vigil will be held at 5:30 p.m. Sunday at Keith & Keith Ninth Avenue Chapel. A memorial Mass is at 3 p.m. at Holy Redeemer Catholic Church.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Regarding Marriage and Death records

RBestrom7380 — 2008-08-24 00:06:15Z

The image of her death certificate is on the website that I previously provided:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx

Ron Bestrom

Re: searching luckner-family members

RBestrom7380 — 2008-10-04 23:27:32Z

I don't know if you have all the census data, or have seen the actual images, so I'm just identifying what I see:

The 1860 Census for Wawarsing, Ulter County, NY
Charles Luckner, 35, born Germany
Christina 29, born Germany
George, 10...all children born in New York
John 6
Adam 4
Mary 2

The 1870 Census
Charles, 42?, born in "Badern?"
Christina 39, "Badern"
George 19, all children born in NY
John 18
Adam 16
Mary 13
Chas 11
Dina? 7
Anna 4
Henry Stearly?? born in "badern?

The 1880 Census
Adam Luckner 23, "works in farming"?
Jennie 20
Rose Emma 2
Fred E? 1/12 Census enumerated 1st day of July, so born about June 1880.

The 1892 Voter Registration for Chicago shows Adam Luckner born in New York had been in Chicago for 13 months as of the date of Oct 18, 1892.

The 1900 Census for Chicago, ward 14, Cook County, IL, you appear to have this. The mother, Jennie is mother of 7, 7 living, so I would "SPECULATE" the daughter born Oct 1884, "Jon?" is "possibly" a daughter but was just mixed up on the census enumeration in order of birth.

The Cook County, Illnois Death Index shows a Jennie W. Luckner died 12 July 1917 in Cook County.

------------Ernest M. Luckner----------
The World War I Draft Registration Card image database shows an Ernest M. Luckner, born May 24, 1894. He identifies he was born in Chicago. This month and year matches the Ernest Luckner in the 1900 Census.
--The 1920 Census shows an Ernest Luckner, age 25, born in Illinois to father born in Pennsylvania and mother in New York. This person matches age, and somewhat the parental birth location. But, he might not have responded to the enumerator, it could have been Florence his wife, age 23, born in Illinois.

---Adam-------
The Illinois Statewide Death Index http://www.ilsos.gov/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html
Adam J. Luckner, died 1939-12-13 in Cook County
Jennie, died 1917-07-12

Jennie's obit might be available for a fee ($3.95) through:
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/advancedsearch.ht...
It showed the Chicago Tribune had an obit published on July 15, 1917.
Do a date search for July 1 to July 31, 1917.

I ran dates between Dec 1 and Dec 31, 1939, but it showed no obits filed (Adam).

If you do not want to pay a fee, try a LOCAL researcher via the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. Read the guidelines first:
http://www.raogk.com/illinois.htm Set for Cook County.

Ron Bestrom

Re: searching luckner-family members

RBestrom7380 — 2008-10-04 04:21:03Z

Koonrodslady:
John's posting is old, 20 April 2002. He only posted twice on Rootsweb...at least under this posting name. His email address at the time was luckner16@hetnet.nl Which is a Netherlands email address.

His posting had names and ages, but didn't identify WHEN they were those ages or where he found this data. I didn't look further but I am "guessing" it was from an 1880 census. I did not see any connection to Washington State from his data. He "might" have identified a Washington "County" in some state, or even Washington D.C. But, that would be for John to further identify.

None-the-less, I found his family tree posted online which will help most identify who he wasdescribing:

Name: Ernst (Christian Friedr.Ernst) LUCKNER
Given Name: Ernst (Christian Friedr.Ernst)
Surname: Luckner
Sex: M
Birth: 27081842 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany
Death: in Illinois/USA???
Christening: 29081842 Königswalde,Saxony,Germany
Burial: Illinois/USA???
Occupation: Farmer
Note: Emigr. w. wife & children to USA. Arr. NY harbour June 5 1871 aboard ship "Deutschland". Settled most probably Cumberland County/Illinois

Father: (Joh.)Gotthilf LUCKNER b: 03061805 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany.
Mother: J.Christiane FLEHMING b: Abt. 00001815 in Reinholdshain,Saxony,Germany???

Marriage 1 Wilhelmine PAMPEL b: Abt. 00001842 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany
Married: 01101865 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany.
Event: Unknown in
Children
Anna Auguste LUCKNER b: 05061865 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany
Anton Eduard LUCKNER b: 24111866 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany
Christian Arno LUCKNER b: 20011869 in Königswalde,Saxony,Germany

In another family tree, he identified they died in Vermont?

So, it does not look like this Ernest/Ernst is a brother of this Fred in your line.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Washington State policy on adoption records

RBestrom7380 — 2008-11-22 05:03:48Z

Since the original posting was made on the Washington Unknown list, the person posting probably did not receive the answer posted on the Washington mailing list.

(Michele, if you want to answer those that are identified as being "gatewayed" messages to this mailing list, you will HAVE to post your answer on the Washington Unknown Message Board, otherwise the person posting will NOT see your answer:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was...
...In this case the message was posted at:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was...

Here is the answer posted by Michelle on the Washington Mailing list:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michele/Steve Heiderer"
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:31 PM

> I'm a confidential intermediary. It takes a CI to open an adoption
> file for the purpose of initiating a reunion between adult adoptee
> and birth family in Washington State. Any party to the adoption can
> hire a CI to open the file. There is a specific procedure that needs
> to be followed. Any adoptee born or adopted AFTER 1992 can request
> his/her original birth certificate when he/she is 18 starting 2010.
> Anyone born or adopted prior to that date must still use the CI
> system. Please contact me off-list for more details if you are
> interested in opening an adoption file. Michele at
> kellen2000@seanet.com

My response to Michele:

That's good information. Do you have the RCW for this?

I've always been opposed to open adoption records without the support of an agency or professional intermediary. There are SOOOO many persons attempting to identify either the biological parents or the lost child, it is good there is some procedures being put into place.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Washington death Index 1940-1996

RBestrom7380 — 2008-09-26 17:42:47Z

The Tacoma Library has an online database of obituaries:
http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/obits/ It shows Ramsden N. Whiteley died 2 April 1947, his obit is on page 20 of the 3 April 1947 issue of the Tacoma News Tribune.

You can order it from the library for $5.00, or:
---The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx .

Some info on Calvary:
http://www.calvarytacoma.com/

Re: JAMES EVERETT DENTON md. RUTH DAVIS in 1921 in WASHINGTON

RBestrom7380 — 2008-10-23 21:19:15Z

I did some searches, had to identify just who he was first (DOB, etc), then looked for "potential" Ruth Davis's. Family lore on names could also be a problem, she could have been Ruth Davies, Davison, or Ruth may not have been her first name. Anyway, there are a couple of potential leads, his obit, his actual death certificate and city directories.

The online WA Death Certificates show James Everett Denton, death 19 March 1923 in Kirkland, King County, at age 24 years 8 months, 14 days (about July 5th, 1898). His father was John Denton, mother Oka Stipe.

The World War I Draft Registration Card Image Database shows James Everett Denton, a farmer living at (Juanita) RD2, Kirkland, King County, WA, born July 5, 1898. His nearest relative was Mrs. Oka H. Denton.
--That date matches my guess from above.

If he was in Kirkland in 1917 and died there in 1923. He may have lived there with his wife, a city directory for Kirkland, Juanita, or King County for the years 1920 to 1924 might show them. A city directory is an alphabetical listing of persons living in an area. If a person is married, the spouse is in parenthesis. Then follows the occupation, sometimes the employer, and their address. But, back in the early 1920's, some editions in some cities did not show the spouse name.
--For this check, and possibly other checks, the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness has volunteers for research. Some do charge copy fees, travel, or costs. Read the guidelines first. In King County: http://www.raogk.com/washingt2.htm

There are 50 "Ruth Davis" in the 1920 Census, but one had "appeal"
The 1920 Census for Kirkland, King County, WA
Ruth, age 20, born in Massachusettes to both parents born in MA
William H, age 44
Clara age 45
sisters, Amy 18, and Clara 11
brothers, Frederic 17, William 13 and Edward 7.
--I then looked in the 1930 Census for ANY Ruth, born plus/minus two years of 1900. There were 111, only 2 were born in Massachusettes, both had other criteria that ruled them out. One was married in 1919, the other first married in 1928 (or didn't identify any previous marriage. So, if this Ruth Davis was living in Washington under any name enumerated in 1930, I didn't find her.
--There were 3 other Ruth's that were living in Seattle, two born 1909, one in 1908. In the other 50, the age criteria or the distance frim Kirkland usually eliminated them. The other option, the Ruth Davis that married Denton wasn't living in Washington in 1920, or she was a wife of someone else.

One family tree of Sheila Maynor smmaynor@comcast.net identified his birth in Midland, Haakon Co, SD, died 16 Mar 1923 (Death Cert says 19th). Didn't identify any spouse.

I checked the Washington State Archives site: http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx and the Family Search labs/Record Search: http://labs.familysearch.org/ without further success.

There may not be an obit for James, back in that time period were not as common as today, unless a person was rich, famous, infamous or had died to a newsworthy accident or homicide. A true obit was written by a reporter. Many family members did not want to pay for an in-depth notice for many reasons, cost, the member didn't live in the area long enough, people that would have known they died-probably did, etc. In this case, if he had no other family around than this Ruth, she may not have paid for one; but, they were only married for two years. Then again, he died very young, the death certificate may have identified the "Why" or "How". That might be another reason for no obit. There could be a funeral notice, but it wasn't much more than an advertisement for the funeral home.

But, with that said:
The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx .

For copies of Death and Marriage Certificates:
http://www.doh.wa.gov/EHSPHL/CHS/cert.htm

Ron Bestrom

Re: Peter KLINE

RBestrom7380 — 2008-11-27 23:30:36Z

Todd,
You didn't indicate if you had the US Census data; but I needed it anyway for research:

The 1910 Census for Tacoma, Pierce County, WA, owning at 6021 Junett(?) Street
Peter Kline, age 74, born in Pennsylvania to both parents born in PA, not employed, married first time for 56 years.
Sarah A, age 73, born in PA, not employed, married second time, mother of 11, 5 living.
--no children living in the household. No indication if any of the children were Peter's. But, if they had been married 56 years, "probably" so.

The 1920 Census for Tacoma, Pierce County, WA at 916 South E Street
Charles N. Drew, age 60, born in England, immigrated 1881, clerk for the railroad
Sarah E., 56, wife, born in Pennsylvania to both parents born in PA
Thomas Drew, son, age 35, born in Canada to father born in England, mother in Pennsylvania, divorced, shipright at the ship yard
Peter F. Kline, father-in-law, 83, born in PA, widower
Herbert Drew, grand-child, age 9 (1910/1911), born in Washington
Peter E. Drew, son, age 33, born in Washington to father born in England, mother in Pennsylvania, manager at a milk company.
--Sarah is "probably" the daughter of Peter F. Kline. No proof who might be the father of Herbert. Both Thomas and Peter E Drew's mother was born in PA, while there is no proof that Sarah is the mother, "probably" so.
--The middle initial of "F" for Peter Kline matches the Washington Death Index finding by Bethrau1 in the Washington Archives.

The 1930 Census for Tacoma owning at 916 Fawcett Ave (same number as in 1920, so was the street renamed, the enumerator make a mistake on the form, or just coincidence? A check of the Tacoma City Directories could tell the story).
Charles N. Drew, 70
Sarah E Drew 66
Herbert L, 41, son, building carpenter

The Washington Death Index via: http://labs.familysearch.org/ shows:
--Sarah Ellen Drew was born on 18 November 1863. Her father was Peter Kline, mother Sarah Conver. She died 14 Sep 1951 in Tacoma at age 87 years.
--Charles Nataniel Drew died 5 October 1933 in Tacoma, married to Sarah E. Drew, his father was Edward Drew.
--Herbert L. Drew, son of Charles N. Drew and Sarah A. Kline died 1 July 1952 in Tacoma. This Herbert was 63 (born in 1889).
--Minnie Idell Cutler, father Peter Kline, mother Sarah Elizabeth Conver, died 13 August 1960, Tacoma, WA, age 89 (1871). Another death certificate shows she was the spouse of William S. Cutler, died 16 Nov 1933 in Tacoma at age 63 years, 5 months and 27 days.

The 1930 Census for Tacoma at 908 North Sherman
William S. Cutler, age 60 born in Iowa, no employment
Minnie I, age 59, born in Illinois to both parents born in PA, clothes tailor
Paul I, age 32 (1897/1898), born in WA married since age 25 (no spouse shown).

The Tacoma Library has an online database of obits published in the Tacoma News Tribune: http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/obits/
It shows Sarah Ellen Drew died on 14 Sep 1951, her obit on page 2 of 15 Sep 1951.
Herbert L, obit on 3 July 1952, page 8, death notice again on 17 August.
Minnie Idell Cutler, died 12 Aug 1960, obit page A-2 on 13 Aug 1960
Paul I Cutler, died 21 May 1986, obit page B-2 on 19 June 1986.
--You can order the obits from the library for $5.00 each, or get them free:
The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx .

That should give you a start.
Ron Bestrom

Re: Ruby Wood (nee Neutze) and family

RBestrom7380 — 2008-12-28 02:49:31Z

The Washington Death Index has Ruby E. Wood, death on 17 October 1985 in Arlington at age 91.

The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx .

For her brother, I don't know what information you have, but the BC Archives:
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-40DA98F/gbsearch/Death...
does not show any Neutze last name.

The 1910 Census for Neche, Pembina, North Dakota
Willhelmina NeutSe (with an "S" not "Z"). age 56, widow, born in Germany
Chas, son, 34
Edward, 28
Mina, 22
Ervine 20
Ruby, 15, both parents born in Germany

North Dakota Death Index has Wilhelmina Neutze death on 12/31/1913, born 10/15/1853, living in Pembina Co.

Ron Bestrom

Re: How to obtain a marriage certificate from Washington State

RBestrom7380 — 2009-01-27 03:34:34Z

The short answer:
http://www.doh.wa.gov/EHSPHL/CHS/cert.htm

The long answer:

I hope you aren't patronized by this answer. Not knowing what you have or don't makes it hard to analyze.

Can you follow her from time of emigration through any US Census? Perhaps the 1930 would be the first. Her passenger manifest record might identify to whom she was traveling when she came to the USA.

The jump from birth in Belfast, Ireland, in Oct 1896 to the application for her SSN is quite a jump. Do you have her emigration date, arrival, etc? While this not important if you can prove who she was in 1936, it does help.

She "shaved 4 years off of her age". While this happens, have you obtained the original application for this SSN to prove it is the same person, not just same names as known? I have seen people attaching to a person, only to learn by this application(SS-5) it was someone else. Basically, can you prove you have the correct person? I'm assuming you can, but I can't.

By 1948...another jump, she was Sherry. So somewhere between 1936 and 1948 she married.

What you need to do is ask for some specific help from Sacramento, when she was this Mrs. George Richards. This could be done by City Directories in Sacramento. This would show her on a year by year basis and living with this husband. When that name leaves the directories, look for divorce at that time.

Then jump ahead to 1961 and go backward in the City Directories until they disappear in Seattle. Look then for her using the "old" name.

The BEST help you can get is to limit the number of years not shown in this record. If you can show her in California and then two years later in Seattle in the old name, then a year later in the new, THEN you can pretty much figure the marriage was in that area.

Volunteers in the Random Acts of Genealogy Kindness could help. Ask for simple City Directory searches in Sacramento and Seattle, going backward in time from Seattle, forward in Sacramento.....or whatever other information you may have.

If you haven't also get their obituaries. In Washington:
The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx .

Basically, to your self, if you haven't document as many years as possible and fill in every year you can.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Bethlehem Evangelical in Seattle.

RBestrom7380 — 2009-02-13 21:02:19Z

I looked through your other postings and see a common thread. With 16 postings, you appear to be new to genealogy or at least in posting. You need to include more information about the persons you seek.

I hope I don't patronyze you with these suggestions. You may have considerable genealogy knowledge and experience, I just can't tell from the limited number of postings.

For this posting, who was your relative? I can't even find a Bethlehem Evangelical currently in Seattle. There was one in Bellingham. More information on your relative could result in finding him in a US Census, possibly other family members having posted family trees online and even a photo. He is probably in the 1930 census in Seattle.

You mentioned using Google for searches. In MANY cases, this one: http://www.alltheweb.com/advanced?cs=utf-8
has had better success for me. It was originally designed by Norwegians. Use the Exact phrase versus all the words for better success. Also use the "must include" if you have other information.

You mentioned using various search engines for the family members you were seeking. Have you used Ancestry.com; or Rootsweb sites for the particular area being sought. You posted this one in Washington Unknown, but knew it was Seattle. If you don't know the county that a city is in, use:
http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi

I looked up some of the names you were seeking on Ancestry:
Yasunas:
World War I Draft Registration Card Image Database: 9 of them
Josef, born 6 Dec 1887 in Lithuania in Chicago
Charles J, 15 Jan 1888, born Russia, in Massachusettes
Joseph, 1892 in Lithuania, in MA
Chas, 21 Sep 1894 in Russia
--24 in the 1930 Census, 11 in the Social Security Death Index, 3 in the New York Passenger Lists, etc. etc.

Slizy, 3 World War II enlistments.

For Repeckaite in Lithuania, you wrote "She married into my family, when, how old, where they lived, I don't have an answer" First, start with the first known facts. If it is their grandchildren, find them, find out where they came from, then go back. Use the US Census, World War enlistments. I'm SURE from this posting you had some information on this Leva Repeckaite...that INCLUDES the name of her husband. If HE can be found in a census, then she can be found.

One thing I've learned doing extensive Norwegian genealogy, you must find someone in the USA before going back to the old country. Find out everything you can, the US Census images have the year of immigration, ages, family, where they lived, etc.

Post ANY dates of birth you know. If you don't post a possible decade, or facts that would help (was in World War I would eliminate someone in the Civil War or Korean War). Identify spouses, children, parents, WHERE they lived at a known time, where they died, etc.

If you can afford it, use Ancestry.com. You can use it at home. If you can't and a local library has it, use it there. This site also has the US Census:
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#...

This site has other databases on familes:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

If your local library doesn't have Ancestry.com, they might have Heritage Quest. It also has US Census and books online. I use it at home, logging into my library using my library card. I also use several other pay databases for free using that card, Newsbank for example.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Bethlehem Evangelical in Seattle.

RBestrom7380 — 2009-02-14 17:29:50Z

As I indicated I hope I don't patronyze you. I've been doing genealogy for some 30 years now and helping others for most of it. I've ALWAYS suggested people identify fully who they seek. I research in the Seattle Library occasionally and could look up the book, and if they had it, I'd STILL need the name of this person.

As far as those other postings, you didn't get results? Perhaps more information was needed.

No, I don't know you, I was offering suggestions for helping. With more information, I might have even looked for the book. If you are man enough, maybe you could appreciate help or suggestions.

Re: Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

RBestrom7380 — 2008-08-20 02:37:36Z

Based on the few postings you have made, I'll "guess" you are new to genealogy postings. It is VERY important to provide what information you have on the persons being sought. I never did find a male born to Hattie darknell and Paul Stoy. There was enough for me to start looking, then I found your data in your family trees, that was good information.

The California Birth Index:
Lloyd James Darknell, born 6 Oct 1932 in San Joaquin County, Mothers maiden name Osterberg.

Now, with that information I found your online family tree. You have:
Ruth Lula Osterberg born 17 January 1896, died 30 Nov 1978 in Stockton, San Joaquin, CA. She had 4 children with William Dudley Shawyer, 1896 to 1985. She had Lloyd with William Darknell.

First question, have you asked any of the other Shawyer children or grandchildren what they know about this William Darknell? Did he father Lloyd and disappear, or was he with the family for any length of time. Do you know where he died? You also show he was born 13 January 1897 in Spokane to a Paul Stoy and Hattie Darknell. Is this confirmed parents? By your posting, it is not.

One thing you can NOT do in genealogy is post "suspected" family members online. Ancestry/Rootsweb immediately ties these people into other persons having the same names. Suddenly, posted people online have other spouses and children that are not theirs. It may take years for the errors to clear. This is something that will eventually cause genealogy records to have to go back to the old paper research, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. NO online research will be acceptible.

I found another online family tree, the owner "Darknell". I don't know if this is you or not. I can not send a message to that person to read this thread. But, it shows Lloyd James Darknell born 6 Oct 1932 to Loyd (sic) Darknell born 11 August 1911 in "Fairfield, Washington County, California" (obvious errors somewhere). He died 27 Dec 1981 in Redwood City, California. This shows the mother as Lula Ruth Osterberg born 17 January 1896 in Albion, Washington and died Nov 1978 in San Joaquin County, CA.

I found the obit for Lloyd James Darknell that you posted online. It had no add'l information for the search.

-------Ruth Osterberg------
You may have this already:
The 1900 Census for Branham, Whitman County, Washington
Albert Osterberg, born August 1869 in Minnesota to both parents born in Sweden
Anna, born April 1866 in Sweden, to both parents born in Sweden, mother of 4/all living
Victor C., born Oct 1890
Oscar F, January 1892
John F, June 1893
Ruth L, born January 1896. All children born inWashington

The 1910 Census shows the family, no real changes

Now you show she was married to William Shawver in 1914 in Moscow, Idaho. They lived in Fruitmere, Freemont, Colorado in the 1920 Census.

The 1930 census shows her living with brother Victor in Sanger, Fresno County, California. She was listed as being a widow.
NOTE: She is living in Fresno in 1930.

You show her marriage to: "William? Darknell" in San Joaquin, CA.

Now, question, does the birth certificate of Lloyd James Darkness indicate that his father was born in Washington State? If not, how do you connect William Darknell to Washington State?

----------Darknell-----
The 1910 Census for School District 10, Teton County, Montana
Frank W. Darknell, age 36, born in Minnesota
Mary A, 27, born in Minnesota
Raymond 6, born in WA
Marion (dau), 4
Darknell, son, 8/12. The census was enumerated April 1930, so this son born about August 1909.

The 1920 Census for Township 7, Fresno, CA
F.J. Darknell age 52, born in Minnesota
Mary, Sister-in-law, age 36, born in Minnesota, widow
Raymond 15, nephew, born in Minnesota
Miriam, niece, age 14, born in MN
Clifford, nephew, age 10, born in WA
Lloyd, nephew, 8, born in WA
Howard, nephew, 4 8/12, born in WA
--This is Mary from the 1910 census, now a widow living with her brother-in-law. the son "Darknell" is probably Clifford. the Lloyd, age 8, matches the name of the father of your Lloyd James as identified in that other family tree, posted by unknown.

The 1930 Census for Township 7, Fresno, CA
C.E. Darknell, age 20, born in WA
Cleo D, age 20, born in Arkansas, both married at age 17
Everette W, son, age 1 6/12
Lloyd W. Darknell brother, age 18, born in Washington.
--The C.E. is probably Clifford
--Lloyd has a middle initial "W", would it be for "William" ?
--NOTE:

NOW... I'm REALLY confused. In your family tree you have this Lloyd William Darkness, born 11 August 1911, died 27 Dec 1981 in Rdwood City, California. Same parents as the census data. You show he married Bernice Evelyn Wirt on 5 April 1941 in Fresno.

So, I don't believe your search is in Washington State. Your search is in California.
As for me, I'm somewhat convinced that Lloyd William Darkness is the father of Lloyd James Darknell. The birth certificate is just wrong.

Look in Fresno for birth announcements in the newspaper. There "could" be one for Lloyd James in the days following his birth.

Bernice had two other children, do they know anything?

You will have to look for marriage or divorce records for those counties.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Bethlehem Evangelical in Seattle.

johnsdesignnet — 2009-02-14 17:20:11Z

Ron-
First, thanks for replying to my post. However, I really resent someone who doesn't know me or know what I'm working on, to blandly assume they have all my answers. I have a very very very simple question- is there an anniv book available for Bethlehem Evangelical in Seattle. You couldn't even find the Church!! Run 'Bethlehem Evangelical in Seattle' through Google- the Church is the fifth listing down. (btw, two of us have to contact the Church, hence this posting).
There's four of us working on family stuff; one has found general info about this family line; the question about a possible book is a very specific question looking for a very specific answer (yes, there's book or no, there's no book).
For one, you spent way too much time trying to tie this posting into my previous posts- no where in this posting did I ask for someone to do that (I'm looking for a book remember?). The second is, the info requests I posted at Christmas (almost 2mos ago now), have no bearing on this family line. This Pastor came from Germany.
Ease up will you? Go for a walk or something... Case closed.

Bethlehem Evangelical in Seattle.

johnsdesignnet — 2009-02-12 19:15:43Z

A relative on mine was the Paster of this Church back in the late 20's- early 30's. Has the Church ever produced an Anniv book? I'd like to see if there's a photo of him available.

Re: NEWTON, Thomas

dave1406 — 2008-11-27 22:43:09Z

Hi there,regarding Thomas Newton who emigrated late 1800s,did he originate from Sheffield,Yorkshire?

It may be a long shot but my Mum was a Newton,and I have a couple of Thomas's who I have not been able to get very far with.

Regards

Dave in Inskip

Re: Laree E Miller & Samuel E Miller

karencurran97 — 2008-09-05 05:37:14Z

Washington Births, 1907-1919
about Miller Miller
Name: Miller Miller
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1916
Location: Clarke
Sex: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: Larry Hulbert Miller
Mother's Name: Clarice Adeline Tait
Image Filename: 4054

Social Security Death Index
about Laree E. Brown
Name: Laree E. Brown
SSN:
Last Residence: 97005 Beaverton, Washington, Oregon, United States of America
Born: 9 Feb 1918
Died: 1 Mar 2003
State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951

Go to: ObitsArchives.com
Search in Oregon
For copy of the obituary below, Register and pay $2.95 for a copy. Be sure to order only the one copy and not the monthly subscribtion. Also check the box that asks if you want a copy sent to your e-mail address also.

Laura Mae Brown (Obituary)
Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - March 1, 2003

Hope this helps.
Karen

Re: John LYONS

whitegardenia — 2009-01-01 20:38:09Z

I have extensive info on Henry but nothing on John. We have traced all the other siblings except John. Please contact me at jjespin@comcast.net. I am delighted to find others searching for this family. James Lyons and Margaret Geelan were my ggreat grandparents. I look forward to hearing from you.

Re: John LYONS

whitegardenia — 2008-12-31 02:13:14Z

I am still searching for any information about John Lyons b. abt 1857 Fond du Lac, WI. On 1880 census he is listed separately from parents Patrick Lyons and Maria Crinnion with wife Martha and working for railroad. He was listed in his mother's obituary of 1910 as living in Washington. Any information would be appreciated. We have extensive information on all the other siblings, including Henry. We have not determined what area of Ireland Patrick was from.

Nicolaus Persson

anitakarlsson69 — 2008-12-02 15:39:49Z

Hallo,
I search a man and his family who lived at these address (I don´t know the year):
356-26, Ave Longview, Washington.
The family:
Nicolaus Persson born in 1883, January 16 in Lysvik parrish in Värmland, Sweden. He was married to Hilma Persdotter born in Lysvik, Sweden (I don´t know her birthyear)
Their children:
Ellen M born in 1907, I don´t know if it was in Sweden or in USA.
Anna Teresia born in 1909, I don´t know if it was in Sweden or in USA.
Carl born in USA, I don´t know when.
Gustav born in USA, I don´t know when.

I hope that someone can give me some information about the family.

Best wishes,

Anita Karlsson.

Re: Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

curiousroot — 2008-09-22 06:09:59Z

I was recently contacted by Lloyd's daughter, asking me about my dad's half-brother Lloyd Darknell, born Oct.6, 1932.

My dad is Fred Shawver and he will be 86 next month. He was only 10 years old when Lloyd was born. I never met the man he referred to as his step-father. According to my dad the man's name was Lloyd, but the name William keeps coming up also.

My grandmother Ruth Lula Osterberg Shawver Darknell lived in the Sanger, CA area. My dad was born in that area (Auberry, CA).

My dad said my grandmother met Lloyd's father in the Sanger area, they moved to Lodi, CA and then to Stockton, CA.

My dad said that one day when his half-brother was still very young he left for the Oakland area (my dad thinks his step-father had relatives there) in his Reo and did not return.

According to my Dad he said the step-father was very good to him and his siblings. He also believes that he may not have married my grandmother, but according to the younger Lloyd's daughter she says there is a marriage certificate available in San Joaquin County, Stockton, CA, on file. The only reason she is not able to obtain it, she was told she needed the date of marriage to get a copy.

I know, this is long and convoluted, but trying to untwist all the "roots" seems to be quite a job!

I am 57 years old and have never asked my dad much about his step-dad, and my dad as I said is almost 86, and although he is still pretty sharp it is hard for to know all the details since his mom probably met Mr. Darknell when he was around seven.

Re: Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

curiousroot — 2008-09-22 04:23:04Z

I am a Shawver, my grandmother Ruth Lula Osterberg Shawver Darknell is the mother to Lloyd James Darknell. What information would you like to know, if I can help I will.

Looking

FredrickHeilman41 — 2008-08-29 17:52:43Z

Looking for info on Barabra Herrington, nee Heilman.
Now deseased, born in Toppenish or Yakima Wa.
Fathers name, Joesph Heilman, mother Margie Brown.

Washington State Lind/Lund's

katrinacarter2_1 — 2008-09-19 21:35:57Z

Hi there,
Currently, I am looking for the marriage and death data on Sven Petter Johannesson Lund a.k.a. Peter Lind b. 1/22/1863 in Sodra Lundby, Skaraborgs Ian, Sweden. So far, I know he married Annie ? abt 1890 and had three children in Washington. I also know that his parents, Johannes Persson and Christina Svensdotter, were both born in Sweden. The former was born on 8/1/1826 at Tang, Skaraborgs Ian, Sweden and the latter came in Herrijunga, Alvsborgs, Sweden on 5/25/1830. This pair generated eight children. So far, this is all the data I have on this family, but if anyone has or discovers more relating to them I'd love to know!

Katrina Carter

Re: GROOMS, BOONE, WHITELY

GYoungman — 2009-02-15 19:09:07Z

Dear Sue:
My mother's maiden name is Whiteley the daughter of Henry Harvey and Louise French Whiteley. Henry Harvey is the son Francis Marion Whiteley and Cassandra Boone Whiteley. They wer married in Missouri in 1850 or 1852. They went by wagon train to Oregon and settled in what is now Willamette Valley. Cassandra is the daughter of Lindsey Boone and Sarah Grooms. Cassandra died in Adams Oregon in 1911. She is buried in a pioneer cemetery near Helix, OR.

I can send you a copy of my Whiteley/Boone family research in PDF form. I live in Hermiston Oregon with my wife Kathy.

Glenn Youngman
gkyoungman@hotmail.com

Washington death Index 1940-1996

lesatwork — 2008-09-26 10:32:51Z

Please could someone look for Ramsden Norman Whiteley from the washington death index 1940-1996.

Thanks

Re: John Norcross Bowen, New Jersey 1883

bethrau1 — 2008-08-19 19:44:41Z

You know for certain that he was in Denver, Colorado in 1920. He isn't easily found in the 1930 census for any state.

Findagrave.com has a listing which you might want to check:

BOWEN, John
birthdate unknown
death date: July 4, 1928
burial: Green Mountain Cemetery
Boulder, Boulder County, Colorado

Re: John Norcross Bowen, New Jersey 1883

bethrau1 — 2008-08-19 16:52:27Z

Sorry, I see you posted his exact birth date.

Re: John Norcross Bowen, New Jersey 1883

bethrau1 — 2008-08-19 16:51:53Z

I sent you the link to the Washington State Digital Archives, which includes many men with the name John BOWEN.

What other information do you have on him? Exact birth date and location? Family member names?

If you think he might be included in obituaries of family members from the 1920s to 1940s, I'd be happy to look through online newspaper archives for you.

Re: Peter KLINE

bethrau1 — 2008-11-25 03:58:24Z

I believe I have found your Peter KLINE in the online Washington State Digital Archive death records: Peter F. KLINE, age 87, died 2 Apr 1923. Father: Phillip KLINE Mother: FAILEY

Here is the link where you might find more information to verify whether this is the man you are researching:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

Re: Ruby Wood (nee Neutze) and family

bethrau1 — 2008-12-16 03:27:36Z

correction: last residence should read: Arlington

Re: Ruby Wood (nee Neutze) and family

bethrau1 — 2008-12-16 03:26:51Z

Social Security Death Index:

RUBY WOOD
birth: 17 May 1894
death: Oct 1985
last residence: Arling, Snohomish County, Washington State
card issued: Washington State

Re: Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

SLDarknell — 2008-08-20 03:10:11Z

Sorry, forgot to answer. The tree that shows Lloyd William Darknell as the father of Lloyd James Darknell is not mine.

I have tried to be very careful not to post wrong connections, but ancestry.com makes it very easy to lift wrong info from other trees!

Thanks for any assistance,
Sharon

Re: Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

SLDarknell — 2008-08-20 03:01:50Z

The main reason I am asking is because I just found the the family of Lloyd James Darknell. Lloyd James died in 1962, but not before fathering 3 daughters.

Their family believes that Lloyd William Darknell, b 1911, d 1981, is their grandfather. Lloyd William Darknell is my grandfather. So, there's the rub.

If Lloyd James is Lloyd William's son, then I have a whole set of first cousins I never knew about. We can find absolutely no one who ever heard of a first marriage of my grandfather and no records to verify (or disprove) this story, other than the mismatched age on Lloyd James' birth certificate.

That's why I am asking.

The Shawver family is also trying to find their records, now that we've found each other.

Thanks for any help,
Sharon (Darknell) Kidder

Re: Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

SLDarknell — 2008-09-22 05:20:46Z

Hi,

I'm trying to figure out if Ruth's husband was Lloyd William Darknell, my grandfather, who was born in 1911 or if there was another William Darknell that more closely matches Lloyd James' birth certificate.

I'm delighted to have first cousins if that's the case, but my father and aunt (Lloyd William's Sr's children) would prefer to have some evidence that Ruth married my grandfather.

Anyway, I'm still working on the puzzle of Ruth's second husband. If you have any information you can add, I'd be grateful.

Searching for William Darknell, born around 1899 in Washington state, USA

SLDarknell — 2008-08-20 00:31:04Z

I found another branch of my Darknell family and I ordered a birth certificate for Lloyd James Darknell, born in Stockton California in Oct 1932 in order to place them in my family tree.

Anyway, the birth certificate came and said his father was William Darknell, who was 33 at his last birthday (in 1932). This William Darknell is a mystery to me, and I thought I had a good handle on the Washington branch of the Darknell family.

The closest I have been able to find is a male child born to Hattie Darknell and Paul Stoy, but the record gives a Darknell last name for the child and no first name.

Is there anyway I can figure out who William Darknell is? Can I order a birth record that is so vague? i.e. parents not known, no exact birth date.

Thanks,
Sharon (Darknell) Kidder

Ruby Wood (nee Neutze) and family

albertagirl — 2008-12-15 22:09:26Z

Hello

Looking for information about my g,g aunt. She was born on May 17, 1894 in Neche, North Dakota as Ruby Neutze. She is in the 1910 Census in Neche, North Dakota with her mother and siblings. In obituaries of some of her siblings she is referred to as Mrs. Ruby Wood of Washington State or Mrs. Ruby Wood of Seattle. I believe her husband was James E. Wood but I have no idea where she married or when. SOme family stories say that she had two known sons, James and Kenneth. She may have had other children as well. She was still alive in 1968 when her brother died in Vancouver, BC, Canada. I believe she may have died in 1985 but I could be wrong. I have never been able to find her in the 1920 or 1930 Census.

Any help would be appreciated.

Sincerely

Thelma

Re: Regarding Marriage and Death records

ckbswg — 2008-08-21 00:24:58Z

Thank you! The information you provided is just what I wanted to know. Sorry it took so long to respond but for some reason I no longer get an automatic notification to my queries even though I am a long time subscriber to Ancestry.com.

Re: 1850 TO 1930 CENSUS FROM NALA (einerwold here)

mmshell503 — 2008-10-13 17:06:35Z

i do know i had an aunt jennie. as for the others, i'm not sure.

Looking for the death location of Charilla Burger-Delong

amidd67 — 2008-09-10 01:35:03Z

Charilla Delong died September 23, 1935 in Washington, according to her death record at Heavenly Rest Cemetery, Kawkawlin, Bay, Michigan. She was born about 1853 in Pennsylvania. She married John Delong, who died September 27, 1928 in Kawkawlin, Bay, Michigan. He is buried at Heavenly Rest Cemetery.

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

agFranks — 2008-10-08 16:13:38Z

George William Rawson was the son of Charles Marion and Frances M. (Baughman) Rawson. George married Myrtle Edith Jagerson and had one daughter Whilma Lorraine Rawson.

Alison Franks, Archivist, Rawson Family Association
agfranks@comcast.net

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

agFranks — 2009-01-14 13:14:59Z

George William Rawson was the son of Charles Marion and Frances M. (Baughman) Rawson. George died 12 Feb 1923 in Seattle. I do not have an ob it for him.

Please contact me at agfranks@comcast.net
Alison Franks
Archivist, Rawson Family Association

Re: WHEELER, Gilson P.

wkottkamp1 — 2009-01-12 04:59:14Z

Gilson P. Wheeler moved from Ky to Bellingham WA and is buried there with his wife Ida and mother, Carmlet (Graham) Wheeler. His mother Carmlet was my GG Grandmother and wife of James E. Wheeler, son of James Harrison and Elizabeth Ramey Wheeler. James E. Wheeler was buried in Lawrence Co. KY before her sons convinced Carmlet to go to Washington.

Re: John LYONS

Fenouille — 2009-01-01 20:39:05Z

Our Lyons family is looking for info about John and Henry Lyons. We have extensive family tree. Please reply. Have been looking for so long.

Have not been able to locate parents or sibbings of Patrick in Ireland. Would you know anything about it?

Re: Grandfather

hvnbnd41 — 2008-10-22 22:01:12Z

Since I last posted wanting information about my grandfather Frank Dudley Hannum I have found some information, but I'm still need to know where he is buried, and if he had other children besides my mother. I have traced him through his WW1 draft card. It said that he was a citizen of Canada. According to the Canadian 1911 Census he went to Canada in 1909, homsteaded some land near Medicne Hat in Alberta Province, and that he was single at that time. According to the 1920 U.S. census he was single. I learned that he was living in Miles City, MT in 1918 with his brother Nelson Eli (orginally Eli Nelson). They both worked on the railroad there. I learned that Nelson died in a boating accident on Puget Sound near Tacoma, WA. in 1942. I would like to know where he is buried. Nelson's wife Julia Viola Hicks Hannum died in 1956 and is buried in the Custer County Cemetery at Miles City, MT. Their son Rex Wayne Hannum had two children (names unknown), and he died Oct. 2006 in Las Vegas, NV. I would very much like to find Rex's children, or hear from anyone with more information.

Re: searching luckner-family members

Koonrodslady — 2008-10-03 23:21:45Z

I believe your Ernst Luckner is the brother of my gggrandfather, Fred. Their parents are Adam Luckner b. Jan 1856 in NY m.abt 1877 Jennie ? b. Aug 1859 in NY. Adams parents born in Germany. They had 7 kids: Frederick Eugene Luckner b. abt 1880 in NY d. 1933; Rose Emma Luckner b.abt. 1878 in NY; Lilly Luckner b. Jan 1883 in NY; Arthur Luckner b. Feb 1889 in NY; Ernest Luckner b. May 1894 in IL; Ray Luckner b. July 1898 in IL; and possibly adopted daughter, sister, neice J??? Luckner b. Oct 1884 in NY. Got this from 1900 Census,West Town city of Chicago in Cook Cnty, IL. Adam is my brick wall. But I am working hard to bust through it now that I have found a Special Collections Library (Genealogy) in my area. Please keep in touch
Koonrodslady@q.com

Re: searching luckner-family members

Koonrodslady — 2008-10-04 19:42:07Z

sigh...well....I knew there was another Ernest. But the dates didn't line up. Will have to keep on looking for my Luckners. My information is coming from census records at the moment, but I have been able to put the dates together to find my line. Thanks for the replies. Anymore found info will be greatly appreciated. But now that I've found the Genealogy Library, I should be able to bust these brick walls down. I'll share what I find.
J

JAMES EVERETT DENTON md. RUTH DAVIS in 1921 in WASHINGTON

workinranch — 2008-10-23 04:00:54Z

Hello
My uncle JAMES EVERETT DENTON married a RUTH DAVIS in Snohomish, Washington in 1921.
They were married for about 2 years before he passed away. Her name is on his death certificate of King County.
This is how I learned her name. His family didn't weem to remember her name??
According to his mother she remarried about 6 months after the fact. So many stories not sure what to believe.
Curious to know if they had any children. If anyone knows of this lady please let me know. I have a photo of them.
Thank you all
Karen

Re: JAMES EVERETT DENTON md. RUTH DAVIS in 1921 in WASHINGTON

workinranch — 2008-10-23 21:59:11Z

Thank you so much for all the information.
I do have James Army records, death cert., marriage cert. and know where he was buried, also a photo of James and Ruth together. His grandparents JAMES AND ELIZABETH STIPE had been in the area for several years, and probably took care of arrangements. He was buried in thier plot. All family members are gone now, but they wouldn't talk about it anyway when ask. His mom was a "hard women" according to my Father.
She didn't want to be bothered with any of her children. That is the story anyway! I only met her twice.
So I will try all your suggestions. Thank you so much again.
Karen

Peter KLINE

ToddWalker58 — 2008-11-21 21:52:43Z

Has anyone seen my Klines? Looking for Peter KLINE and mother, Esther "Hattie" (Fegley) KLINE. Peter was born 1835, presumably in Lehigh Co., PA., and is listed on the 1840 and 1850 census reports with his mother and siblings in Richland Township, Clarion Co., PA. According to family story, Peter moved to "Washington" and died some time before 1913. Could this be the state of Washington? And could Esther, born 26 Sep. 1803, have gone with Peter? Any clues as to these individuals' whereabouts greatly appreciated

Re: Peter KLINE

ToddWalker58 — 2008-11-25 15:00:00Z

Thanks so much! I'd bet this really is the Peter I'm looking for. You've been a great help!

Re: 1850 TO 1930 CENSUS FROM NALA (einerwold here)

isoule1 — 2008-10-13 12:02:36Z

Hi, did your grandfather had sisters ? Jennie born 1905, Olga born 1906, Selma born 1910 ?

Re: Washington State Lind/Lund's

judyartley53 — 2008-10-03 02:30:31Z

Hi Katrina, I found the Peter and Annie Lund family in the 1900 Seattle Census the same as before. I thought their children having the last name of Lind was a mistake but maybe it was intentional. Maybe they wanted to change their last name to Lind?

Anyway, I searched for the children using the Lind surname and in the 1910 Seattle Census I found the following;
Minnie Lind, daughter [but no parents listed], 19, b. WA, both parents born in Sweden, single, occupation-unknown and Harry, son, b. WA, 13, occupation-inmate reform school.

a Harry Lind born March 9, 1897, died August, 1970, Seattle. Source: Social Security Death Records.

I wonder if the parents died in Seattle prior to July 1, 1907 when death certificates were required. I'd contact the Seattle Genealogical Society, www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~waseags/ who does research and see what they can find. Successful Searching!

Re: MAGBY, James Clark; my great-uncle

KayWilliams52 — 2009-02-15 20:43:45Z

You can email me directly at KayWilliams42@msn.com

Re: MAGBY, James Clark; my great-uncle

KayWilliams52 — 2009-02-15 19:54:52Z

James Clark Magby is my grandfather. He was married to Edna Emily Case on 2/17/1932. My father was born on 5/4/1933. I have more information of a personal nature and would be happy to exchange family information privately.

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

Cherri58 — 2008-08-20 12:39:51Z

I have a Rufus R. Rawson born in Neb whose half sister Clara Benson from Seattle, WA is listed in his obituary. He was born around Kearney. His mother was Barbara Adeline Tosser. Your George was born in Gothenburg. This is Dawson county which is next to Buffalo. I know our Tossers were also in Lincoln county which is the next county the other side of Dawson. I think Fannie and her husband were divorced and unk Rawson married Adeline. Rufus was born Sep 1896. I then think the father of these children died before Fannie and family moved to Washington state. Two cousins are also mentioned in his obit, Mattie Armstrong and Minnie Birdsell. I think we are working on the same family.

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

Cherri58 — 2008-08-20 12:39:11Z

I am researching a Rufus R. Rawson, in his obit it says he has a half sister, Clara R. Benson of Seattle. Does this sound like the family you are researching in Seattle?

Re: John Norcross Bowen, New Jersey 1883

mhamaji — 2008-08-19 12:41:03Z

Thanks for your response. Yes, that's the man, in both cases.

It's after 1920, when he supposedly went to the northwest, that I lose track of him.

Laree E Miller & Samuel E Miller

tm57oscar — 2008-09-01 17:38:20Z

Need help finding any relatives of Laree E Miller born in Washington state 1918 and Samuel E Miller born 17 Aug 1921. thier mother was Clarice Adeline Tait, father Larry Hulbert Miller. Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Tereasa

Re: Washington death Index 1940-1996

jotham55 — 2008-09-26 14:05:44Z

Ramsden N Whiteley 2 Apr 1947 Pierce.

There is a lot more detail shown on the Washington Death Index 1907-1960 on the free FamilySearch Pilot site.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#

Click on Canada,USA,Mexico and select the WA death Index.

Washington state naturalizations now at Ancestry.com

AliciaKMarshall — 2009-01-02 21:05:28Z

These are now availabe to those who pay for a subscription
at Ancestry. As an example, all of these people, were born in Abo Finland. I only include a sample , not the whole list

August Ekholm 10 Oct 1888 23 Apr 1909
August Ekholm 10 Oct 1888 15 May 1913
Name: Fredrik Ekholm
Age: 30
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1880
Birth Location: Abo, Finland
Arrival Year: 1903
Issue Date: 12 Sep 1910
State: Washington
Locality, Court: Seattle, District Court
Title: Naturalization Records of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, 1890-1957
Description: Petition and record, 1909-1911, #701-944
Series: M1542

Fredrik Ekholm 15 Oct 1880 12 Sep 1910

August Ekpolm 11 Oct 1888 17 Jan 1913

Axil Erickson 15 May 1872 8 Oct 1908

John Oskar Forsman 5 Apr 1892 21 Aug 1919

Name: Arthur Herman Franzell
Age: 24
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1888
Birth Location: Abo, Finland;Russia
Arrival Year: 1907
Issue Date: 28 Dec 1912
State: Washington
Locality, Court: Seattle, District Court
Title: Naturalization Records of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, 1890-1957
Description: Declarations of intention, 1911-1913, #4097-4596
Series: M1542

Arthur Herman Franzell 26 Nov 1888 28 Dec 1912

Adolf Ferdinand Granberg 23 Jun 1878 23 Sep 1915

Adolph Ferdinand Granberg 22 Jun 1878 16 Jul 1925

Anton Evret Greenroos 11 Sep 1869 13 Jan 1910

Alfred Urho Gronlund 29 Oct 1908 15 Mar 1939

Rudolf Gronlund 19 Sep 1885 21 Jan 1928

Evert Elbin Rafael Growroos 22 Nov 1897 25 Oct 1917

Alexander Gustafson 13 Apr 1879 12 Sep 1918

Martin Gylden 17 Jan 1901 24 Dec 1923

Wilhelm Hegespus Hagerlund 5 Apr 1883 20 Oct 1910

Hialmar Hakanpan 22 May 1886 22 Mar 1920
Alicia

Re: Nicolaus Persson

carlsonjm — 2008-12-03 18:05:16Z

Anita, please contact me at carlsonjm@hotmail.com
I have information for you.

Re: LUCHT, Carl

2002-09-05 06:01:41Z

I have a Carl Wilhelm Lucht b: 8 Dec. 1851 in Storkow, Pommern, Preussen to a Wilhelm Lucht and a Johanne Caroline Tugendreich Raddatz. I don't have much more information yet on Carl.

I also have a couple of Hinz in my family, but have not had a chance to research this side of the family yet. Marie Ottilie Hinz b: Dec. 2 1875 in Hohenwalde(?) Germany to Martin Hinz and Anna Karlina Ratke. She immigrated to central Wisconsin when she was 18.

Ella Hintz married a Julius Boelter. Her mother was Bertha Persike (Hintz). She had two brothers Aurthur and Elmer Hintz.

Re: Where is Ellensberg?

2003-03-12 00:10:03Z

I didn't realize that Swegle was such an uncommon name, because it is one I grew up knowing in the Cheney, WA area. I don't know if this is a part of your familly, I'll let you figure that out.

The Cheney Free Press, Cheney, Washington, June 13, 1919
MISS OLIVE WYNSTRA IS BRIDE OF WALLA WALLA MAN
Miss Olive Wynstra, a daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A. Wynstra, farmers, who live near town, was united in marriage at her parent's home on Wednesday evening, June 11, to Floyd Swegle of Walla Walla.

The ceremony was performed at 5 o'clock by the Rev. M. M. Eaton, pastor of the Methodist Church, in the presence of the imediate relatives of the contracting parties.

Mr. Swegle is a young farmer living near Walla Walla, and the newly wedded pair will live in the home Mr. Swegle has read for his bride.

I'm not related to this family

Re: DELBERT & VIOLET BALES AND DELLA & WILLIAM THOMPSON

2004-05-24 01:30:53Z

Sylvia,
I haven't gotten any other info on my Uncle, Aunt and Cousin, except for what has been posted here.

The Della M. Thompson you stated in your message sounds like it may be my cousin.

If you can find Obits for Delbert & Violet Bales and Della M. Thompson I would appreciate it.
Ruth

Ardelia Allen (Dee) 1897 VA

2005-06-21 17:26:06Z

Washington D.C. 1926, Ardelia, Kathleen, or Dee, Carter, wife of William Carter of VA. b. 1897 VA. Mother Lizzie Arthur, Lawrence Arthur Census 1880 VA. 1920 Census Lawrence & Lizzie in Haverstraw, NY. Anyone with advice as to how to locate descendants from Washington DC area please advise, also information regarding sites for lookups in haverstraw New York area . Thanks

Donald Davies Born in Washington Father to Robert Earl Davies

2004-10-23 00:48:30Z

Hello my name is Melissa I am looking for my husbands Father, Donald Davies.
On his sons birth cert is says Donald was born in Washington. We estimated he may have been born in 1925, but not sure.
Donald Davies Married at the age of 21 in Scott City Kansas to a Grace Elizabeth Frank 18 on 9-6-1946, they had a son
Robert Earl Davies 9-27-1949 in Garden City Kansas.
On Marriage records that we have Donald used an alias of Orville Dale Baker. (I'm wondering if Baker is on Donalds Mothers side) When they divorced in 1954, and on the birth records it showed his true name is Donald Davies.
Grace after divorcing, married a J.C. Weston, and Robert took on the last name of Weston, we have not been able to find any adoption records, and Robert has been in the military and his SS# has Weston on it. Although his Birth Certificate has Davies on it.
J.C. and Grace have both passed away.
Please Help Me Find Donald Davies.
I Feel Like I Am At A Road Block.
Donald Davies Your Son Robert is looking for you and any relatives out there.
You can email me at: bright_eyed_frog@yahoo.com
And please put on there, Davies so that I will know what it is about.
Thank You
God Bless You
Melissa Weston

John L. McDonald-Georgia Ann McDonald-Claude McDonald

2005-09-20 19:14:18Z

Am searching for any known descendents of these people from the Randolph County, Missouri area. Please help me if you can. Thank you Sandy

Re: Ellsworth/Elsworth

2004-08-31 14:19:27Z

thank you Cheryl. I think Leone, my grandmother, went to Boone to attend some type of secretarial school/typing school. Then she met my grandfather while working at a movie theater? Anyway, I am not sure if the kids ALL went to Boone after their parents death, or they stayed in South Dakota and then when Leone graduated she went to Boone.
But I will check into this lead too! Again, Thank you !

Allden Family

Susan Moriarty — 2002-10-04 03:34:21Z

I am looking for any information on the Allden family. Some of them arrived from Sweden via Ohio. Anna Allden was the mother. I believe that her husband, Bengt, died in Ohio. There was a daughter Anna who married William Greeley. The other sons (that we know of) were Benjamin, Henry and Eugene. My G-Grandmother Gertrude was another daughter. She died in Delaware in 1914 and we know very little about her family. Is there any way to search death records online? I live on the east coast and can't get to WA. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Re: Keselburg, Kesselburg

sjlambert — 2008-06-13 05:25:56Z

Hi Lynne,
I have tried to reply to your last email with some info on William Keselburg but both times I got a failure notice so I thought I would try and contact you this way. Let me know if you did get the email with the info in it.

Thanks,

Sue
amomaly05@comcast.net

Re: ROSECRANS, Erastus

s_rosecrans — 2003-06-26 05:07:47Z

Since my posting I have found my Rosecrans'. There are various spellings which made it difficult at times.
Erastus [Rosencrantz] b. Pa to Mich to Oregon / Wash.
Frank[ Rosecrantz / Rosecrans] b. OR 1858

Erastus' father is:
Jacob [Rosenkrans /Rosecrants/ Rosecrantz] b. Pa to NY to Mich. The variants were caused by however the writer heard the name pronounced and wrote it on the records.
What is your Frank Rosecrans line? Maybe I can help you with it.
shirley

Knee family in Washington

LawrenceJN — 2008-03-09 16:24:18Z

Hi folks,
I'm looking to communicate with members of the Knee family in Washington. They descended form George Knee and his son Solomon Knee and Idella Howlett from Stoddard County, Missouri. Later generations include Vadous and Louis Knee and their son, Norman who I think lives in the Seattle. If you are a descendent or know of someone who is, please contact me. Look forward to hearing form you.

Larry Nea
Raleigh, NC

Re: Alexander Baillie

RBestrom7380 — 2008-03-06 20:51:03Z

First. The inquiry to which you posted was an initial search by Gail Watson. She reposted again with the additional information that I had suggested. Here is that thread:

http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was...

Now your Alexander:

The 1900 Census for West Cedar Creek, Washington County, Oregon
Alexander Baillie, born August 1869 in Scotland, laborer in a brick yard. Married 8 years.
Nannie, born Feb 1871 in Oregon to father born in Arkansas, mother in Missouri. Mother of two, both living
William H, born Dec 1894(? very faint in image), 5 years
Anna F, born Sept 1897, 2.

Now the Alexander Baillie in the above search was born in 1859 and immigrated at age 21 (circa 1880). He came to Tacoma in 1889. Evidence indicates they are two different people.

Your Alexander did not have immigration data shown on the census form for 1900.

The California Death Index:
Alexander Baillie, born 12 August 1869 in "Other Country", died 6 Sep 1952 in Sonoma County, CA. Mothers maiden name "Greig".
--This person matches name, birth month and birth year for "your" person.

The 1930 Census for Petaluma, Sonoma County, CA
Alexander Baillie, age 60 (1869/1870), born in Missouri to both parents born in Scotland, farm laborer at a poultry farm, single.
--born in Missouri? This person "appears to be the same one as in the Death Index, but the Index shows "other country". So, if this IS the correct person, why is it marked as Missouri? There are sooooo many mistakes in the US Census. Some made by the enumerator themselves, some by the person giving the information, and some by the person themselves. In this case? The Missouri could have been given because Alexander never became naturalized. The person giving the information did not want their own records to reflect living with an unregistered alien. Or, this person is a different one and was born in Missouri.

Next Step? Get the obituary of the person passing in California.

Genealogy societies:
Try: http://users.ap.net/~chenae/sonoma.html
or: http://www.scgs.org/

The Sonoma County library: http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/history/index.html has an ask-a-librarian program. Some do obituary lookups from microfilm. But, the least they could do is tell you how to get one.

The Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness: has volunteers that could photograph the grave stone, should you find the cemetery information in the obit:
http://www.raogk.org/californ4.htm

Re: Mary Worak - Need help!

RBestrom7380 — 2008-03-14 18:16:43Z

I did attempt a search, but with only one "possible". You don't have enough information to fully identify who you seek. The Mary Worak below is only a possible person, as YOUR Mary may have been a previous married name before Mr. Wilson. The Social Security Death Index shows 53 Woodrow Wilsons that died in the 60's. If she "remarried at least once" looking for her without knowing last name is "difficult".

You need to start at the baseline. If any of her daughters are still alive, ask them. If any of the daughters had children, ask them. You don't know the son's name? If none of them are still alive, get your mothers birth certificate and verify Mary's name and age from it. Also identify where your mother was born. Where were her sisters born? Did your mother have any address books, look in it for names. Look in photo albums. Old letters or cards. Your mothers high school year book...where did she go to school?

You will have to identify more information on this Woodrow Wilson, WHERE and WHEN did he die? Is there an obituary? That should name the son. If no obituary, try to get his death certificate. Where and when did Woodrow and Mary live? Washington State... narrow it down.

If you can find that starting information, that would help GREATLY to any researcher.

"Findings" ?

I found one person has a Mary with this description in a family tree under the name "Heqnauer Family Tree". It wasn't accessible. I suspect it is yours?

The 1920 Census has 5 Mary Worak listed. One born 1884, one born 1888 in Nebraska, one born 1880 in Austria, one born 1903 in Austria. and the one below:

The 1920 Census for Chicago Ward 11, Cook County, Ill, enumerated 13 January 1920. Renting at 1851 West Twenty First Place.
Joe Worak, age 29, born in Poland, immigrated in 1907, "PA" meaning papers, which means he had submitted his Declaration of Intention for citizenship. He was a wood polisher at a piano factory.
Sophie, age 24, born in Poland
Mauda, age 4 1/12, born in IL (December 1915)
Veronika, 3 2/12, IL (November? 1916)
Mary, 9/12. Using the census enumeration date, this Mary was born about March 1919.

I could not find this person, or her family in the 1930 Census.
In the town of Maine, Cook County, IL Veronica 12, Mary 10 and Edward 8, born in IL, both parents born in Poland, living at the St Heduigs? Industrial School as inmates. Last name of: Piszczek. S T R E T C H of a guess.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Margaret Cox

RBestrom7380 — 2008-03-25 15:57:31Z

The Washington Death Index shows Margaret M. Cox, born about 1904, died on 24 January 1983 in Spokane City. Her SSN was 528-10-6767.

The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Give them her name, date of death, place of death (Spokane). The most likely newspaper would be the Spokesman Review or Chronicle. Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.

Re: looking for WA obits

RBestrom7380 — 2008-04-10 06:53:10Z

The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.

Re: dietz

RBestrom7380 — 2008-04-09 20:44:49Z

When posting an inquiry, it is SO important to identify the people you seek, and provide date of births if possible. If not possible identify as much information as you can to help identify them.

With that said:
The 1920 Census for Seattle, King County, WA, renting at 2116 Nob Hill.
Louis F. Dietz, age 47, born in Maryland to both parents born in Maryland, secretary for a Credit Association.
Della M. age 38, born in Maryland to both parents born in Maryland.
Frank L. age 24, born in Maryland, sales man for a bldg contractor

The World War I Draft Registration Card Image Database:
Frank Louis Dietz, born February 22, 1895 in Baltimore, MD, living at 2116 Nob Hill Ave, Seattle, WA, Assistant Manager, for Power Specialists Dept. Requested exemption as "Christian Science".

Washington Death Index:
Louis F. Dietz, death 25 Nov 1948 in King County, age 82, born about 1866

My time is limited this afternoon. I could not find the family in the 1900 or 1910 census, so I couldn't identify all of the sons. You will need to post their names, DOB's, or whatever you have. If they can be found in the 1930 census, or death indices, their families could be found.

The Death Index showing Louis Dietz above shows death 25 Nov 1948. You can order his obit:
The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.

I'll come back to look for more info later.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Washington state death index trouble

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-28 00:58:19Z

Failed to mention. You "might" be able to find her obituary, although obituaries were not common back in 1923, you've nothing to lose:

The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.

Give them her name, date of death, place of death.
If interested you can look at the catalog of holdings at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/microfilm.aspx It shows several newspapers in Kelso.

Re: Washington state death index trouble

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-27 23:14:22Z

I think this should clear up some family questions:

The Washington Death Certificate Index shows:
Agnes Winther, died 29 August 1923 in Kelso, Cowlitz Co, WA at age 35 years, 11 months and 23 days (around Sep 21st, 1887). She was married to R.L. Winther. Her father's name was H. Lawrenson, her mother was "Hansen".

The Index shows:
Vilas W. Winther, died 25 July 1943 in Seattle at age 30 years and 4 days (1913). He was married to Frances. His father was Rasmus Winther, his mother was "Elgard".
--Could there have been two Rasmus? Or, is this an error on the death certificate? Since the 1920 Census shows Vilas as son to Agnes, the "Elgard" is either wrong or her own certificate was wrong for Lawrenson.

I found no listing for a Rasmus, or R.L. I looked at all 52 "Winther". The index was for 1907 to 1960.

There were 69 Lawrensen and various spellings, Lorenson, Larentsen, etc.
Henery (sic) Larentsen was shown as father to a John Heglund, died Seattle 3 Dec 1916 at 44 years 11 months, 18 days (1872). The mother was Kristine Amundsen.

A Hans Lorensen was husband to a Mary C. Lorensen that died 25 Oct 1938 in Colville, Stevens Co, WA (My hometown). She was 84 years 19 days (1854). Her father was Johanson, mother "Do Not Know".

I checked the Washington Digital Archives http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx without success.

The 1920 Census for Davis, Lane County, Oregon:
Rasmus L. Winther, age 31, born in Denmark, immigrated 1896?
Agnes, age 32, born in Nebraska, to both parents born in Denmark.
Vilas, age 5, NE
Margaret age 3, NE
Wilma, age 2, NE
Gladys age 10/12, born in Oregon
--So they could not have been in Cowlitz County for very long.
--On the SAME page
Jens Elgaard (Scandinavia spellings often had double "aa" in the spelling. It was also "å" in the old country), age 67 born in Denmark, a dairyman. He immigrated in 1892 and was naturalized in 1912.
Christine, age 57, born in Denmark, naturalized 1912
Elsie, 24, Massachusetts
Louise, age 18, born in Nebraska
Magdalene 12, born in Oregon
George, age 14, born in Oregon
--Agnes was 32, so while she "could" have been a daughter to this man, he didn't come to America until 1892. However, Louise was born in Nebraska, as was Agnes, so their "could" be a family relationship since her parents were born in Denmark. But, they "could" be related to Rasmus. Thus, the error on Vilas's death certificate.

The 1910 census for Omaha, Douglas County, Nebraska
Winther, Arthur N, age 22, born in Nebraska to both parents born in Denmark
Agnes, age 21, born in Nebraska to both parents born in Denmark.
--This couple was married for 1 year, no children. But this person is Arthur. You may know history on Agnes and her marriages. Her age of 21 would be of 1888/1889 time-frame. So September 1888 birth could be close enough for this person.

I then did a search in the 1900 census for ANY Agnes, born plus/minus 2 years of 1888 in Nebraska. There were 312. I went through all of the names. There were no Elgaard/Elgard/Elguard/etc. But, amazingly, there was ONE Agnes, that happened to be a Lorenson:

The 1900 Census for Center, Cass County, Nebraska
Erik Lorenson, born January 1852 in Denmark, immigrated in 1871, farmer
Matilda, born Dec 1865 in Denmark
Henry Etta (as spelled), born July 1886 in Nebraska
Agnes, born Sept 1887 in Nebraska
Grover, born March 1889 in NE
Fredrick, May 1891, NE
Mable, Sept 1892 in NE.
-- Note the month and year this Agnes was born, September 1887. From the Death Certificate, your Agnes would have been born in September of 1887.

I also found one family of Elgard, they were living in Weeping Water, Cass County, Nebraska...same county.

Now, lastly, I took a look at family trees posted. I found a family tree posted by Erik_Pilgaard_Vinther, called the Winther & Elgaard Families, USA. I sent a contact request for this person to read this thread.
Jens Elgaard, the one I found in 1920 was born in Denmark, and died in Lane County, Oregon. His father was Søren Nielsen Vinther. He was also father to Anton Marious Winther. Anton was father to Rasmus L. Winther.
--Thus the error on the death certificate for Vilas. The Elgard/Elgaard name was NOT related to his mother, but to his fathers family.

I hope this Erik reads this thread and responds.
He identified Rasmus L. Winther had married "Agnes" and had children "Wilas", Margrete, Wilma and Gladys (born 1919).

Ron Bestrom

Re: I need help finding an area in Washington

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-24 16:38:55Z

The Tacoma Library has a place name database:
http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/wanames/default.asp. It says:
Selleck is a community northeast of Enumclaw in central King County. It was formerly an important logging center, based on timber purchased from City of Seattle watershed. It was named by Pacific States Lumber Company for their resident superintendent, F. L. Selleck.

If you use:
http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/main.adp
Put in the name of Selleck in the City and State. It will show you that Selleck is a very small area east of the main population area's. You can zoom into the map.
When it says "Uninc", that means unincorporated. The city has not identified itself by voting to become a city. It is just an area of King County. Thus, there is no individual town hall, mayor, town council, etc. There is no city police, so the King County Sheriff would do the police work.
As far as birth information, her birth records would be in King County
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/vital_st/index.htm#birth
and Washington State Vital Records at the Department of Health http://www.doh.wa.gov/EHSPHL/CHS/cert.htm.

But, what is it you want from her birth record? If you're interested in her parents or her siblings, ask her. Ask your grandmother. I would whole-heartedly suggest talking to your grandmother NOW about her parents, how and where she grew up, what she experienced, how she lived with her brothers and sisters. Then also ask about her life when your mother was growing up. Do this now, or years from now you will be upset that you didn't do it.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Washington state death index trouble

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-27 04:44:06Z

This is pretty common, most are bad copies.

What name are you seeking, I can check it in the Washington Death Certificates

Ron Bestrom

Re: Step-sisters of Angus A. Boyd/Canada/CA

RBestrom7380 — 2008-04-18 02:48:27Z

We have the needle, but need more information on the haystack.

Do you have his full name (middle), full date of birth and full place of birth? Full date of death?
--The 1900 Census for Alisal, Monterey, CA
Angus Boyd, born Sept 1866, born in Canada, immigrated 1880, married 5 years
Effie, born March 1876, born in California, mother of 1, 1 living
Hugh, born December 1896, born in CA.
Is THIS the RIGHT person?

Do you have his fathers name? His brothers Robert and John's date/place of birth? Their date and place of death?

His mother remarried after he was 12 or 13, so his step-sisters would be at least that much younger. Do you have Anna Bell's new husbands name?
---The California Death Index shows Angus A. boyd, born 4 Sep 1867 in Canada, died 2 Mar 1945 in Los Angeles. His mothers maiden name was Bell... OH, I thought her first name was Anna Bell... You have to be specific.

Angus left home, but he probably didn't leave at age 12 or 13, possibly at the time of his mother's remarriage. The above census shows he immigrated to the US in 1880, he would have been about 14. Did he come here by himself? Or were his brothers older and they all came down?

For this search, Canadian census and other information from Montreal would be checked. Also data in genealogical books online for Canada. The Hudson Bay Co. also has data online. If Anna Bell can be found in a marriage of this person, their daughters might be found. I am in the Seattle area (Tacoma/Puyallup), so those records are not a concern. BUT, they are not a factor until the names of these girls can be found...so back to Canada.

At this time, it's impossible to do any research in Washington without research completed in Canada...and California.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Betty Smith

RBestrom7380 — 2008-06-12 19:48:42Z

I took this one on only to see if there was ANY WAY to identify some facts. First, when you post an inquiry for genealogy, you MUST identify as much information as you can. Identify the Dates of Birth, Places of Birth, places of death, etc.

As you will see, I had MANY questions.

Your paragraph was not easily understood, I had to do a chart to see just what you were saying: Is this correct:
Ralph Smith and Joanna Ralph Smith and Second Wife
Samuel - 1879 AL John J Mamie
Betty?

If so, based on that, I did the below work in the US Census and did find Ralph with both families. I did not attempt to trace this Mamie as I had no idea if she married, or where she went or what information you already have. I did not attempt to trace this John, as again I didn't know where he went or what information you already have.

After the 1880 census, the 1890 burned and is not available. By the 1900 Census, Ralph is married to Katie (as below shows). Between the 1880 census and the 1900 census, did Ralph have any other son's with Joanna? THEY could be the parent of this Betty. What additional information do you have on the marriage of Ralph and Joanna? Did they divorce or did she die?

You also indicted John did not have a daughter Betty. Did he have a daughter "Elizabeth"? Betty is very often a nick name for an Elizabeth.

I did attempt to trace Samuel; but had no findings in the US Census after 1880 that appeared to be him. There was a Samuel Smith in Spokane, WA, in the 1910 Census, but both parents were born in S. Carolina, he was black and in the Army. There was a Sam Smith in the 1920 census with a daughter Elizabeth, but he was 39 and his mother Mary was living with him.

I attempted to try to find an Elizabeth or a Betty that "could" have some basic criteria, but just too many, ESPECIALLY when, first, I didn't know when she could have been born or where. Second, I didn't know if she was a daughter of a Sam/Samuel or he used a different first name. Or, I didn't know if she could have been the child of ANOTHER son of Ralph? I did attempt to find an Elizabeth or Betty in the Washington Death Certificate index; but, just to many to even suggest a possibility.

Did Mamie get married? Did her husband have any siblings that may have had a daughter Elizabeth or Betty? Mamie would have been their Aunt as well. Even "guessing" that this girl had to have married a "Smith" herself....

Now, this portrait that you have from this Betty, niece of Mamie. Is this portrait a photograph or an artist painting?

If a painting, what additional information is on it that might identify the artist?

If a photograph: What "exactly" does it say on the back, or where it identifies her name and niece? What exactly is the portrait? Is it a graduation type, a marriage type, just a facial, what is the name of the photographer or company, WHERE was it taken? How old was she in the portrait? THAT could be important. If she is 10, or 40? Is there ANY year designation on the picture. A photographer could be traced in City Directories (Polks) to determine years of operation. Betty might be found in the City Directories. A City Directory is an alphabetical listing of persons in a particular populated area. Large cities, Seattle, Tacoma, Spokane, had them from late 1800's. The smaller towns had them later in years...some did not at all.

As far as identifying this "Betty", the "Samuel" must be traced (or any other son's), so that search begins in Mobile, Alabama. Records there might show this "Joanna" and if she died, divorced, remarried, etc. The FULL time period of Ralph and Joanna must be researched.

---------My Findings---------
You may or may not already have this, a researcher NEEDS this information.

The 1880 Census for Mobile, Mobile County, Alabama
Ralph S. Smith, age 21 born in AL to father born in England, mother in Spain, he was employed in Grocery
Joanna, age 21, born in AL to both parents born in Scotland
Samuel, age 1
--The census was enumerated June 1, 1880, so Samuel could have been born anytime between June 2, 1878 and May 30, 1879.
--Ralph and Joanna, both 21, born around 1858/1859.

The 1900 Census for Mobile, Mobile County, AL
Ralph Smith, born Feb 1863 in Alabama to father born in England, mother in Spain, he was an Oyster Dealer?
Katie, born Sep ?, her age showed 26 which was over written over 34... She was born in Alabama to father born in Germany, mother in Alabama. She was mother of 2, both living.
Mamie, daughter, born May 1893, age 7, in Alabama
John, born Oct 1895, age 4, in AL
Mary D, mother (of Ralph), born Dec 1834, 65, in Spain, was "S"? for Single.
--This census shows this Ralph born in 1863, while the 1880 would have had him born in 1858. If born in 1863, he and Joanna would have been about 16 when Samuel was born.
--Enumerated June 7th.

The 1910 Census for Mobile, Mobile Co, AL
Ralph S, age 48, born in Alabama to both parents born in AL, Oyster Dealer, second marriage, first married at 18.
Kate C, age 37, born in Alabama to father born in England, mother in Germany
Mary E, age 17 (Mamie)
John J, 15 (1894/1895)
Mary H, mother, age 76, born in England, immigrated 1867, mother of 8, 1 living.
--while this census shows the family, it appears to be full of errors, or the preceding ones were.
--Ralph would have been born about 1862, Kate 1873.

Back to Samuel. Searching for ANY Sam* (where * is a wildcard for any letters following) Smith, born in Alabama, plus/minus 2 years of 1879.

The 1900 Census had 12 (with added criteria of "white"). None was father of a Betty or Elizabeth.
The 1910 had 8. None was father to a Betty.
The 1920 had 5. None was father to a Betty.
The 1930 Census had 30 (race criteria not available). None was father to a Betty.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Betty Smith

RBestrom7380 — 2008-06-18 03:28:21Z

Jukes Inc. Two notations for that company:
http://west.wwu.edu/cpnws/photo_display.asp?PageNo=73&Co...
http://west.wwu.edu/cpnws/photo_display.asp?PageNo=75&Co...
These two photo's had Era shown as 1910 to 1930.

Baiiwidiein Studios... I found no name as such, even with an "I" in front. I played with it by adding, moving, subtracting, still nothing. Is the spelling verified?

Saint Paul... yes, the State IS important. Rootsweb's town to County:
http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi
shows "Saint Paul" is in 26 different counties in 20 different states. There isn't one in Washington State, but one in Oregon, Marion County.

Bellingham, WA, is in Whatcom County. I would suggest you post there also. Identify her name, her potential age at the time of photograph. Identify "Jukes, Inc" (that company name in the City Directories could be checked to see when they were in business). Then for your Tree (my example was made more difficult to understand due to Rootsweb's changes. Try:

A: Ralph Smith and Joanna
1. Samuel born 1879 in Alabama
i. Betty
B. Ralph Smith and Second Wife
a. John J
b. Mamie (Mary Elizabeth)
(I'd also use the information on the possible age and dates that you indicated)

The Whatcom County Rootsweb site:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was...

City Directories are listings of persons living in a populated area. Some, Seattle, Tacoma, Spokane have directories back to the late 1800's. Smaller towns, such as Bellingham started later. The Directory (Polks) had the name of the person, their spouse in parenthesis, their employment type, sometimes where they worked and their address. In the period about after 1925/1930, if a spouse was also employed, they also were so listed. Sometimes children were listed as being "students". So, this Betty Smith (if she had retained her maiden name, or had a married name of Smith) "might" be found in the Bellingham City Directories. BUT, an Elizabeth or Betty Smith, and address, won't help you much; except put a "possible" person, with a "possible" time frame of residency. The photograph studio could also be found with possible time line of their business.

I checked the 1910 and 1920 Census for ANY Betty in Whatcom County, whose father was born in Alabama. None Found. The 1930 Census transcription did not allow for the "father born in" feature, there were 233 Betty's in Whatcom County, too many for me to go through. There were two Betty Smiths, neither had a parent that could have been correct.

Still looks like more work in Alabama.

Ron Bestrom

Re: William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

RBestrom7380 — 2008-06-07 21:12:13Z

If you search for no names in the WA Death Index for 1958, you'll receive NO ONE Dying that year in WA. Ancestry has been advised by many the DI is NOT complete.

And yes, that is where I found it. There are other Peacocks there, but I'd just wait for the obit...if they can find one.

Re: William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

RBestrom7380 — 2008-06-07 20:01:36Z

Was he named in obits of family members with his location?

Do you have his full date of birth? He was born Feb 1900.
Social Security Death Index:
William Peacock, 15 Feb 1900, died March 1971, "last residence" Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio. (His mother was from Ohio).

Okay, try this one.... I think this one IS him, sorry I missed it yesterday:
Washington Death Certificates
William "O" Peacock died 1 Nov 1958 in Seattle at age 57, his father was William R. Peacock and mother Lydia Smith.
--knowing how mistakes are made on death certificates by those not knowing the full facts, or the "O" could have been a "C", that was wildly written or mistranscribed. BUT, the father name and mother name (although not Lida), is correct.

Try to get his obituary: The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: "http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx" .

Ron Bestrom

Re: William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

RBestrom7380 — 2008-06-07 02:27:02Z

First, when you post an inquiry, it is VERY important to post specific information about individuals. The Date of Birth is HIGHLY important, place of birth, etc. So, without that, many people ignore postings.

With that said:
The 1900 Census for Sedgwick, Harvey County, Kansas
William, born Nov "un", in Indiana
Lida, born Mar 1857 in Ohio
Rolland, born Sept 1889 in Ohio
Lawrence, born Feb 1887 in Kansas
Oliver, born Sept 1890 in Kansas
Clifford, born Feb 1900, age 3/12, in Kansas (Census enumerated the 28th of June).

The 1910 Census for Sedgwick, Harvey Co, KS
William R, born in Indiana
Lida born in Ohio
Children Lawrence, Oliver and
Clifford (age 9), born in Kansas to father born in Indiana, mother in Ohio.

The 1930 Census for Long Beach, Los Angeles Co, California
William Peacock, age 29, born in Kansas to father born in Pennsylvania, mother in Illinois
Mary J.... Wife, age 28, born in Kansas.
--This person does not have the same parents places of birth.

> I cannot find record of a WWI Registration although he would
> have been of prime age at the time.

There were three draft registrations dates:
-5 June 1917 for all men between the ages of twenty-one and thirty-one.
----- Would not have registered.
-5 June 1918, men who had reached age twenty-one since the first
registration (Also included in this registration was a supplemental
registration of 24 August 1918 for those men reaching age twenty-one after 5
June 1918.)
----- Would not have registered.
-12 September 1918, men ages eighteen through forty-five were required to
register. This means that we have genealogical data on virtually every man
(around 98%) born between 13 September 1872 and 12 September 1900, if he was living in the United States during World War I.
----- He "should" have registered. If his name is not in the draft registration, it is because the registration was illegible, was lost, misfiled; OR, he had enlisted and was serving. There were 24 million cards to be indexed,

I did not find Cliff/Clifford/Will/William, born plus/minus 5 years of 1900 in the 1920 Census...I might have just missed him...or the airwaves online were critical to my search.

I checked the online Death Certificate Index for Washington 1907-1960, without success. The Seattle obits are difficult to find, especially if you don't know the exact date of death.

If you can provide any additional information, that might help.

Ron Bestrom

But, it appears from the data, the 1930 William is not the correct person. Do you have additional information concerning these people in Washington?

Re: I need help finding an area in Washington

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-29 22:44:51Z

Actually there is no "town" of Selkirk. There is the Selkirk School District, Selkirk High School, they are in Metaline Falls, WA. Yes, in Pend Oreille County. They are "probably" named for the Selkirk mountains.

And, the poster had answered and indicated that she worked in a "shipyard", none of those in Pend Oreille County.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Washington state death index trouble

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-29 22:25:00Z

Erik DID reply, but couldn't post. He subsequently approved my posting his message:

Ron Bestrom
---------
[Sorry to contact you directly, but Ancestry.com keeps crashing when I want to post to the community forum]

Hi Ron,

Thank you for providing the information about Agnes. Actually I only know of Agnes from the 1920 Census for Davis, Lane County, Oregon. Kent, who started this thread, has found Agnes's death in Cowlitz county for me.

The Winthers and Elgaards were related as follows:

Søren Nielsen Vinther/Anton M. Winther/Rasmus L. Winther/Vilas W. Winther

Søren Nielsen Vinther/Jens Elgaard/...

Jens and Anton were brothers, and the immigrated to the U.S. in 1892/1893 and 1895 respectively. The two families first settled in Springfield, Massachusetts, then migrated to Weeping Water, Nebraska and finally to Lane, Oregon (the Elgaards were some years ahead of the Winthers though, and at least one son, Chris Elgaard, stayed put in Weeping Water). To my knowledge Agnes was not related to these families prior to her marriage to Rasmus L. Winther, and she was born in Nebraska about 1887/1888.

It "could" be the same Agnes you have found in the 1910 census for Omaha, Douglas County, Nebraska married to Arthur N Winther, but this would require that Agnes and Arthur either divorced, or Arthur died in time for Agnes to re-marry and give birth Vilas in 1915. However, the Agnes you have found in the 1900 Census for Center, Cass County, Nebraska, looks like she could be the same Agnes as later married Rasmus.

(From my posting: --Thus the error on the death certificate for Vilas. The Elgard/Elgaard name was NOT related to his mother, but to his fathers family.

Well, after Agnes died, or maybe sooner, the family split up and the children were put into foster care of various people. Maybe Vilas went to his father’s uncle, Jens Elgaard, as Vilas’s younger brother Eric did (drowned in Willamette River in 1932)

Erik

Re: dietz,kolle

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-07 09:25:37Z

The 1880 Census for Baltimore, Baltimore County, Maryland 737 West Baltimore St.
Pauline Dietz, age 40, keeping Restaurant, Wurtenberg(Germany)
Frank, age 16 (1863/1864), clerk in store
Lewis, age 14, Bartender
Robert, age 12, at school. All children born in Maryland.

The 1900 Census for Baltimore Ward 20, Baltimore City, Maryland
Louis F Deitz (as spelled), head, born Feb 1867 in Maryland to both parents born in Germany, bank teller. married 6 years to:
Adela M. born Oct 1872 in Maryland to father born in Germany, mother in Maryland, mother of one.
Frank H. son, born Feb 1895 in Maryland
Frank H. Brother, born Feb 1864 in Maryland to both parents born in Germany.

The 1910 Census for Baltimore Ward 1, Baltimore City, Maryland
L. F. Dritz (as transcribed) age 44, born in Maryland, clerk in "brokers"? Office, married 17 years.
Adela M. age 37, mother of 1
F.H. son, age 15.

The World War I Draft Registration Card image database:
Frank Louis Dietz, born July 22, 1895 in Baltimore, Maryland, Assistant Manager for Power Specialists Dept, Johns Manville(?), Seattle, WA. He claimed exemption on the basis of "Christian Science". He was tall, medium in build, blue eyes, L Brown hair.

The 1920 Census for Seattle, King County, WA
Dietz, F. Louis, age 47, born in Maryland, secretary at Credit organization
Della M. age 38
Dietz, L. Frank, age 24, sales man for building contractor
--(it was normal to see the middle initial following the last name in this census)

The 1930 Census for Seattle, King County, WA
Louis F. Dietz, age 64, born in Maryland to father born in Bavaria, mother in Wurtzberg,
Adela M, age 58.

The Washington Death Index:
Adela M. Dietz, born about 1876 (census would indicate 1872), died on 28 July 1951 in King County, WA.
Louis F. Dietz, born about 1866, died on 25 Nov 1948 in King County, WA.

Enough for tonight. Shotgun, you didn't really read what she wrote enough to understand it. Is this enough information to continue looking?

Ron Bestrom

Re: Hanberg

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-07 08:23:13Z

Correction to the first link, it should be:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=2878358

Re: Hanberg

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-07 08:01:21Z

Wondering where Martin went, I found this book, with his history:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=2878354
--It has a picture of his family.

This book has a history of Henning:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=931623

Ron Bestrom

Re: Hanberg

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-07 07:47:58Z

First, I won't say "Hi Nord". Shotgun...the name NordNorge, means Northern Norway, that is NOT her name.

Second, I'd like to recommend the Norway List:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/NorwayList.htm
It is a mailing list, yes. But, the members are like one big family. We have members from all over the world. We help find those lost family members that emigrated from Norway, and those that remained there. "Newbies" have posted a request to find something and overnight the family records are found in Norway, dates of emigration, church records of births, parents, etc. Lost families coming to the USA are found. It also find discussions of almost anything cultural to Norway, foods, travel, clothing, history, you name it.

Third...when you post, post as much information on the persons that you know, SPECIFICALLY the Date of Birth, if you have it. You did post enough for me to find them in Norway, which will give the approximate date of births.

Now to your post. Your findings of emigration records from Norway, did you find them in the parish records, or the emigration records on the Digitalarkivet?
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&a...
I will take a look on the Digitalarkivet to see if the children were listed. As you know, Roald Amundsen, the great explorer was from Borge.

Here is their emigration on 19 May 1886.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
(After you receive the new window with this link, scroll down to the bottom portion of the data to see the below:
It shows they left from Trondheim enroute to Dakota (Territory) on the ship "Hero".
Leonhard Johannessen was 49 (born circa 1836/1837)
Marianne, wife, was 38 (circa 1848)
Morten was 16 (circa 1869/1870)
Henning was 14 (circa 1871/1872)
Gjert was 9 (circa 1876/1877)
---(At this point, in the bottom portion of the data, click on "Neste" to go to the next page to see the below):
Gjertine was 7 (circa 1878/1879)
Einar was .75...about 9 months old (circa Feb 1885)
--Also traveling in the group was Salamon Johannessen, age 44, his wife Robertine, 40 and their children, all also enroute to Dakota. Is this his brother and family?

Since you know they took the "Hanberg" from the farm name, that is a great help. Many do take the farm name and not the patronymic name, in this case Johannessen. It is far easier looking for Hanberg.

Now, with them leaving on 19.05.1886 on the "Hero", that means they were only traveling to Hull, England. The Hero is a feeder ship. The Hero wasn't large enough for a transatlantic voyage so they traveled to Hull, England, then took a carriage or train to a port, usually Liverpool. Since this is not your question...at least for now, for looking for a ship manifest, I won't go further into that. But, we now have the Norwegian names of the children. "Morten" could have been changed to Martin.

You said, "Various records followed Martin and Henning to Montana, North Dakota, Washington and Sascatchewan". Do you have the US Census data for them?

The 1900 Census for Abercrombie, Richland County, North Dakota:
Martin Namberg (as transcribed and as written) born April 1869 in Norway, age 31, immigrated 1886, farmer.
Henning, brother, born July 1871 in Norway, emigrated 1886, farmer.

The 1900 Census for Abercrombie, Richland Co., North Dakota
Leonard Hamberg (as transcribed), born May 1837 in Norway, age 63, immigrated 1886, widower.
Einar, son, born January 1885 in Norway, emigrated in 1886, employed "at school".
Lauris, born March 1889 in North Dakota, age 11.

The 1910 Census for Everett, Snohomish Co, WA (Correcting others)
Henning Hanberg, age 38, born in Norway
Augusta, age 31
Lenora, born in North Dakota (1901/1902)
Jennie "Simonson", sister in law,
Einar, would have been 25, a widower
Lauris, age 21, born in Norway.

The World War I Draft Registration Card Image Database:
Einar Hanberg, born January 27, 1885, living at RFD 4, Kalispell, Flathead County, Montana. Working as a forman for the "Forness?" lumber company. His nearest relative was Selma Hanberg (spouse?) in Kalispell. He was 5' - 8" in height, gray eyes and light hair. He registered as required on September 12, 1918.

The Social Security Death Index:
Einar Hanberg, born 27 January 1885, died April 1970. His Social Security Number (SSN) 516-10-4482 was issued in Montana before 1951. His "last residence" was Eugene, Lane County, Oregon. The "last residence" on the SSDI is not always where a person actually lived, but where a final payment, usually the Death Benefit was sent.

Canadian information. What have you research in Canada?
Here is the Land Grants database for Canada:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/western-land-...
Click on Search, Enter "Hanberg", you'll see land grants to your boys.

Anyway...back to the Norway List, we have members in North Dakota, (I believe a couple are in Richland County), some are in Saskatchewan, and like you, many in Minnesota. If you do join, and then post, post what information you have, it REALLY helps. I did find your online tree which identifies some of which I found. I didn't do a deep involved search, not knowing what else you may have.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Vitka - CROSS POSTED MESSAGE

RBestrom7380 — 2008-01-27 21:43:38Z

First, you posted on the Washington State Message Board...but then after looking at your postings, you posted on a LOT of different US States. So, hopefully the below will narrow down your search.

It appears that Utah was the original point for their immigration into the USA; but Matti and Selma were found in Montana and Wyoming, as were Eino and Emil. Eino and Emil died in Wyoming. It "appears" Wyoming would be the logical place to look further for those persons. Mina and Olga...still can't find them.

I had some initial problems in finding them in the US Census as their names changed, as you can see below. The "patronymic" name of Jakobson/Jakobsdotter may have been changed to Jacobson in the USA Census, but I didn't find that. The names of Johnson (could be a census enumerator error in accent) was used, as was "Hundos" ? I will look further in the US Census for 1930 for this family, but it appears that Wyoming is the place to look.

Ron Bestrom
Puyallup (Tacoma), Washington

----------Findings------------------

On the ship manifest for the SS Coronia sailing from Liverpool on 1 April 1905, arriving at the Port of New York on 10 April 1905
Selma, wife 27 (1877/1878), enroute to Matte Witka, husband, Bingham, Utah
Emil child 6 (1898/1899)
Senia 4
Johan 2
Eino, 4/12.
--But the names are crossed out. When I've found names being crossed out, they were usually found on another ship later arriving.

On the Ship manifest for the Saxonia sailing from Liverpool, England on April 11, 1905, arriving at the Port of Boston on 21 April 1905:
Selma 27, enroute to Matte Witka, Bingham, Highland Bay County, Utah. The date of July 23, 1900, St Louis County Court, Minnesota is identified. This "appears" to be a naturalization date. All were identified as being US citizens. If in the USA before, it shows dates of 1898 to 1904.
Emil 6
Senia 4
Johan 2
Eino, Infant.
--This manifest sent directly

On the ship manifest for the "Tunesian"? sailing from Liverpool to the port of Quebec on Oct 6, 1900:
Nikolai Witka, age 18. The rest of the form is pretty much unreadable. It "appears" he is a mason, enroute to Seattle, Washington

On the ship manifest for the Lake Erie, sailing from Liverpool and 24 December 1902, arriving at the Port of St. John on 5 January 1903:
Mina Witka, age 32 from Alahaema (Alahärmä ?) Wasa, going to husband at Calumet
Olga (?) Witka, age 2, to father.
--This manifest sent directly.

This family was difficult to find as they did not seem to appear in the US Census, at least by the Vitka name.

The 1910 Census for Winter Quarters, Carbon County, Utah
Matt Johnson, age 35, born in Finland immigrated in 1885, a miner in a lead mine, married 9 years
Selma, age 32, born in Finland, immigrated in 1885, mother of 5, 5 living
Emanuel, age 12, born in Michigan
Senia 11, born in Utah
John 7, born in Utah,
Ano 5, born in Utah
Selma 3, born in Utah
--While this does not totally match correctly, I have found worse mistakes in the US Census. The "Matt" could be "Matti". The "Johnson" could be Americanized for Jacobson, or misunderstood by the person doing the census, the "enumerator". Many enumerators made big mistakes in taking names for the census, because they couldn't understand some accents. I'm sure the Finnish accent may have been very difficult to understand. If you take their ages as shown coming back to the USA on the ship manifest in 1905, and add 5 years, their ages are about correct on this census. This "Emanuel" shows being born in Michigan. The ship manifest says Mina and Olga were going to "Calumet". There is such a place in Michigan. "Ano" could be "Eino", would was just born as shown on the manifest. Johan was 2, now 7.
--While I'm suspecting this is the correct family, there is no total confirmation. More documentation in Utah would be needed.
--Census image sent directly.

The 1920 Census for Rock Springs, Sweetwater County, Wyoming. Renting on Center Street
(Transcribed as Nitka):
Matt Vitka, age 43, born in Finland, immigrated in 1895(?), naturalized in 1892 (if he was naturalized in 1892, he could not have come here in 1895, it must be 1885?). Works in Coal mines
Selma, age 41, immigrated in 1895?, naturalized in 1892? born in Finland.
Emil, age 22, born in Michigan
John 17, born in Utah
Ano, 15, born in Utah
Selma, 12, born in Utah
---So, this confirms my belief the family was in Utah in the 1910 Census, listed under the name of Johnson.
--image sent directly

Going back to the 1900 Census for Winter Quarters, Carbon Co. Utah
Selma Hundos/Hundas?, Selma, born March 1879, age 21, married 3 years, born in Finland, in the USA for 5 years
Emil, born September 1897 in Michigan
Senia, born March 1899 in Utah.
--This matches the family names, and matches the place of residence in 1910. I don't understand the name of "Hundos", but is it another farm or patronymic name?
--image sent directly

The 1910 US Federal Census for Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County, Utah
Nick Vitka, age 27, born in Finland, immigrated to the US in 1901, a quartz miner.

The World War I Draft Card Image database: Matti Witka, born January 21(?), 1875, living at Red Lodge, Montana. Married to Selma. He was medium in height, medium in build, blue eyes. He was a miner.
--Image sent directly.

The WWI draft card images has an Emil Lander Witka, age 20, born Sept. 21, 1897, his address was in Sweetwater, Wyoming. He was a miner. His nearest relative was Selma Witka, mother, Red Lodge, Carbon County, Montana. He was medium in Height, slender in build, blue eyes and "Fare" (Fair) in hair color

Emil Witka, born 21 September 1897, died in May 1965 in Wyoming.

Eino Witka, born 3 November 1904, died in September 1971. His "last residence" was in Rock Springs, Sweetwater County, Wyoming.

There is a Bertha Witka, born 20 Jul 1896, died August 1984, last residence in Rock Springs, Sweetwater County, Wyoming. She "may" be the wife of Eino or Emil.

Nick Witka, born in Finland, died on 21 November 1912. He is in the Nephi Vine Bluff Cemetery in Utah.

a (Baby) Witka, born 1909, died 1909 is buried in the Scofield Cemetery in Scofield, Utah. (Scofield is in Carbon County). If you go to:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi Enter the last name of "Witka". Cemetery in "United States" and "Utah", press search, you will see the cemetery for this person.

a Saimis Witka died on 31 Dec 1909 in Salt Lake County, Utah. I don't know if he is the (Baby) as identified above.

Your search is in Wyoming for Eino and Emil:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wysweetw/
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.wyo...

Carbon County, Montana for Matti and Selma:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mtcarbon/

Re: Taylor brothers in 1912

RBestrom7380 — 2008-03-03 05:12:23Z

Much Better.

But "I believe that S. Beverly stayed in the area because of informtion I just found," And would that information help in the research?

The Tacoma Library has a database of obituaries published in the local Tacoma News Tribune:
http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/obits/

It shows an S. Beverly Taylor, obituary posted on 2 oct 1961, page 29. But, this couldn't be the original person, but perhaps a son?
You can obtain this obituary from the library at that website, or via: The Washington State Library has a free research service, the ask-a-librarian program, where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.

Oran Taylor is in the 1910 census, he immigrated from Canada in 1898. But, no help.

I did a bunch of searches looking for only last name Taylor, age plus/minus 10 years of 1850, born in Canada. Just didn't find them.

The City Directories might identify them in 1912 in Tacoma and Shelton. But, I would "think" if they weren't found in 1910 at ages over 60, they should have been in the 1910 census. But, commentary aside, I've seen people in their 70's and 80's taking the boat from Norway.

Try getting the obit, the circumstances of the name are pretty high for either a son, or a nephew. I did not search Oran to see if he had any sons.

Re: Taylor brothers in 1912

RBestrom7380 — 2008-03-03 02:14:11Z

Dee,
When you post an inquiry, it's VERY important to provide enough information for a researcher to look for the names. Were George and S. Beverley born in 1820 or 1900? The 1910 census for Washington State has 85 George Taylor's, The 1910 in Myrtle Point, Coos County, Oregon, has a George W. Taylor, age 36, married 14 years, born in California to father born in England, he had a son Beverley S, age 7. Both that is not brothers, but father/son.

You need to post a date of birth, or year of birth, place of birth, parents, siblings, where did Ovan die, at what age. Enough information is needed to just identify them.

Then, what information are you seeking. They could have been in WA in 1912, then moved on. Are you only looking to see if they were in WA in 1912? It is a big state, do you have specific county or location area?

Identify what you have and repost.

Ron Bestrom

Re: 1901 census

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-20 04:51:34Z

The 1900 Census for Seattle Ward 2, King County, Washington
Thomas Dawson, born April 1858 in England, to father born in Englad, mother in Wales, immigrated in 1872, Boom Man (employment)
Catherine, born June 1857 in Wales, to both parents born in Ireland, immigrated in 1881. Mother of 6, 3 living.
Anna, born Nov 1882 in Pennsylvania
Eleanor, born Oct 1884, PA
Benjamin, born April 1897, Iowa to both parents born in Unknown (adopted?)
Katie Newsum (as spelled), born Nov 1880, 20, born in Wales
Hartley, born Nov 1869 in Iowa to both parents born in Pennsylvania.

The 1910 Census for Seattle, King Co, WA, Owning at 1176 Rainier Ave.
Thomas Dawson, age 59, married 38 years, immigrated 1880 naturalized, pile inspector at the waterfront.
Catherine, 58, mother of 8, 4 living, immigrated 1880
Benjamin, age 12, born in Washington to both parents born in England.

The World War I Draft Registration Card shows Benjamin Dawson, born April 27, 1897, living at 4031 Anoria, Seattle, WA. Father born in England. "Not now employed. Nearest relative: Mrs Catherine Dawson, same address.

The 1920 Census for Chester, Delaware County, Pennsylvania
Benjamin Dawson, age 22, born in Washington to both parents born in England, Riveter at the ship yard. Living as a roomer, at 611 Madison Street.

The 1920 Census for Okanogan, Okanogan County, WA
Charles E. Blackwell, age 41, born in Illinois
Eleanor, age 37, born in Pennsylvania to both parents born in England.
Adele, age 7.
--This is the only Eleanor in Washington in the 1920 Census that has both parents born in England and was born in Pennsylvania. BUT, there are a number of them living in Pennsylvania. No other proof identified within the Census.

The 1920 Census for Seattle, King County, WA, Owning at 1319 N. 43rd.
Hartley O. Newsum, age 50, born in Illinois, Confectioner (Candy)
Katherine, age 42, immigrated in 1879, naturalized 1884, born in Wales to father born in England, mother in Wales,
Emily, 18
John 15
Joseph 14
Gertrude 8 All children born in Washington

--Washington Birth Index:
Gertrude Newsum, born 27 Feb 1911 to Hartley O. Newsum and Katherine Dawson.
John Hartly (as spelled), born 30 Sep 1904 to "Hartly Otis Newsum and Katherine R. Newson".
--Another had an Ancestry.com family tree that had "John Hartly Newsum" married to Evangeline Blackburn 1902-1999. They had two children. They were married 14 June 1930. I sent a contact email for this person to read this thread. A "Mcyoho77", living in Georgia.

--Social Security Death Index: John Newsum, born 30 Sep 1904, died Oct 1968, "last residence" (not always where they lived, but sometimes where a final benefit, the death benefit was sent) in Bellevue, King County, WA
--California Death Index: Hartley Otis Newsum, born 18 Nov 1869 in Illinois, died 27 April 1954 in Los Angeles.

About all I can do tonight.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Albert Anderson

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-18 02:33:48Z

Kathy,

I found a couple of things, but without information that you have, I didn't look further. Always post the information that you have not only on the person if you don't have much, but on his family.

--Who is the sister with whom he emigrated Sweden? With her name, married name and finding what year she immigrated, the both of them might be found arriving. But, at that time a majority of Scandinavians arrived via Quebec.
But, the passenger manifest might show from where in Sweden
--If you know the children, when and where they were born and died, will help find the father. From below, who was your grandparent?
--Do you know when and where Albert died, or Lula?
--AND, based on your query, you have accessed the US Census images? Do you have his World War I Draft Registration Card image?
--And I guess my biggest question, what information are you seeking.

The 1920 census for Washington shows 27 Albert Andersons born in Sweden. The 1920 census for Idaho shows 2. The 1910 census for Washington has 26, 2 married to a Louise, no Lula. Far to many to find the right one in 1900.

The 1910 Census for Plumas, Plumas County, CA, enumerated 23 April.
Daniel Allen, age 50, born in Utah to father born in New York, mother in Tennessee, laborer, widower, married twice. Father of 7, 7 livnig
Lula T, age 22, married 4 years, mother of 2, 2 living.
Also listed is a number of siblings, not listed as you might already have this information.
--Why is she shown as Lula ALLEN, not Anderson? Probably an enumerator error.

Also in 1910---
The 1910 Census for Milner, Twin Falls, Idaho, enumerated 23 May.
Albert Anderson, age 34 (1875/1876), born in Sweden, immigrated in 1890, teamster-owned his own team. Married 4 years
Lula T, age 22 (1887/1888), born in Utah to both parents born in Utah
Albert L(?) age 2, born in California
Daniel A(?), age 9/12, born in California
--based on enumeration date, Albert was born sometime between the end of May 1875 and May 22, 1876; so, more possibility he was born in 1875.
--Daniel born about August/September 1909.

So, the census indicate they married 4 years before the census enumeration. You showed 1907, do you have the marriage certificate?

The California Birth Index:
Albert L. Anderson, born 5 January 1908 in Plumas County, mothers maiden name Allen.
Dan J. Anderson, born 7 July 1909 in Plumas Co, mothers maiden name Allen.

Ron Bestrom

Re: MAGBY, James Clark; my great-uncle

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-15 03:18:30Z

When you wrote to NARA, you probably were following instructions to obtain his DD-214, discharge papers.

But, service members also had medical records. You might have to prove his death date and a family relationship; but you should be able to obtain them. If he had any children, ask if they would obtain them. If not, try to identify you are remaining next of kin.

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/me...

Ron Bestrom

Re: Regarding Marriage and Death records

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-08 02:18:22Z

The marriage record/image is available at:
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx
--It shows Dolores E. Hoyt, daughter of Charles W. Hoyt-born Ohio and Mary Barton-born Wisconsin, married Edward L. Sweeney, age 24, a soldier at Fort Wright, son of Charles Sweeney and Catherine Berger, both of Pennsylvania.

The WA Death Index shows Dolores Sweeney, died 4 mar 1944 at age 52, born about 1892.

While Obits were not all that common then, try:
The Washington State Library has a free research program where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.
Give them the name, date of death, place of death.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Death Info prior to 1940

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-08 01:38:23Z

First, I'm not related. I try to help people that are stuck but get further stuck with bad suggestions.

It always amazes me to see people "desperate" to find family members that may have been deceased up to almost 100 years. But, I guess it is funny.

Unlike the other researcher, "Shotgun", I would not plow through a bunch of cemetery listings...As you can see, MOST are not transcribed. And of those that are, there are many unmarked, no stone, unreadible stones. Between the site provided and this one: http://www.interment.net/us/wa/spokane.htm There are just too many to waste your time searching....UNLESS you want.

For Auguste/Augusta and Richard, they were 50 and 42, respectively in 1910. Were these two relatively young people dead by 1920? Yes, there was the great influenza epidemic of 1917. But, you can't, at this time immediately believe they were dead. They could have changed their names (Many emigrants did), moved to California, moved back to Germany (with 2 daughters here, I'd doubt that), moved to Canada (Many did) As I've told Shotgun MANY, MANY times, you CAN NOT speculate in genealogy. I've alway's likened genealogy to a criminal investigation, would you want someone to think you're guilty, only because your victim can't be found?

The VERY FIRST thing should be a review of Washington Deaths between 1910 and 1940 on the microfilmed records. Yes, they are old, unreadible at times, but this must be done first. IF they can be found deceased, found deceased in Spokane County, THEN consider looking for cemeteries... But, there are other things that STILL come before cemetery searches. THAT is their daughters and their children:

To start in some research, I needed additional information on the names, where born, and especially the ages of the girls:
The 1910 Census for Spokane Ward 2, Spokane, WA at 1613 Main Ave (S. side)
Hermann, Richard, age 42 (circa , born in Germany, stonemason-for construction, immigrated 1891
Auguste/Augusta age 50, born in Germany, 2nd marriage, immigrated 1891
Helen, age 15 (1894/1895), born in Wisconsin
Martha, 12 (1897/1898), born in Minnesota

---------------Helen----------------------
I looked for ANY Helen, born plus/minus 2 years of 1895 in Wisconsin
The 1920 Census for Spokane
George D, age 34 (circa 1885/1886), born in North Carolina to both parents born in NC, candy maker in a candy shop
Helen A. Chandler, age 25, born in Wisconsin to both parents born in Germany
Margaret H, age 6, (1913/1914) born in California
Dorothy A, 2 9?/12, born in Washington
--census enumerated January 2/3, 1920, so Dorothy born about March 1917

The 1930 Census for Seattle, King Co, WA
George D. Chandler, age 44, Candy Maker-Factory
Helen H, age 35, born Wisconsin to both parents born in Germany, dress maker-store
Margarite (as spelled) A, age 16, usherette in a theatre
Dorothy A, age 13
--The middle initial for Helen was "A" in 1920, and "H" in 1930, could be an error or she could have gone to the "H" for Herrmann.

Proof?
The Washington Birth Index:
Dorothy Adrenne Chandler, born 17 March 1917 in Spokane, father George D. Chandler, mother Helen Herman (as spelled)

The World War I Draft Registration Card image database:
George David Chandler, born December 23, 1885. Living at 1321 E. Marietta, Spokane, WA. He was a candy maker for Tru Blue Co, at Division and First in Spokane. His nearest relative was Helen A. Chandler, same address. He was medium in height, slender in build, blue eyes and light brown hair. He registered as required on September 12, 1918.

--------------------Martha-------------------

The Washington Birth Index:
Hagan Hagan?, born 12 1? 1917, female born in Spokane to Martha Herman(as spelled) and A. C. Hagan?? (The ? is as shown on the listing, and not mine).

I could not find any other "connection" to this Martha.

NOW, I would suggest you search for the girls. Try to find their families. I did search for the deaths of George or Helen, but without success. If you can find an obituary for them, or marriage for Margaret or Dorothy.

About all I can do on this search for this time.

Ron Bestrom

Re: looking for obit for Calvin Edward Reel

RBestrom7380 — 2008-02-17 01:48:54Z

He died a few days ago? Is there anyone in the family that knows WHERE? How did they find out he died? They could ask that person where and when. Her husband should know at least one person in the family that knows where his grandfather lives?

If he died in a small town, that only has a weekly newspaper, then an obit might not be found for another week or two. Twisp newspaper, a weekly: "http://www.methowvalleynews.com/"

If he had no family in that area and would be moved to another location for burial, there might not be an obit at all in that area, or maybe even in Washington.

I find a Calvin E. Reel born in June 1948, living in Gulfport, MS 39503. I find a Calvin E. Reel, born January 1927, but no location identified.

Twisp is in Okanogan County.

birth certificate for Ralph Thornton 1894

kathyf54 — 2008-05-12 14:54:00Z

My grandfather Ralph Peirce Thornton was born in Tacoma WA on May 15, 1894. This I found out on his death certificate. Where do I go to see if I can find his birth records? His father was Albert W Thornton and mother Grace Peirce.
Thanks

Re: The Wamsley Family

NNunez4837 — 2005-05-07 14:49:50Z

Hi, I'm wondering which branch of Wamsley line this is and it's location.

Currently I am researching, Wamsley, Warmsley, Wamsley, etc. all in Rhode Island, MA and CT.
I have Henrietta Wamsley marrying Stephen Congdon in CT
also Sarah Wamsley marrying James Congdon (his brother) in CT.

Any information you can tell me would be greatly appreciated on your Wamsley's. I am blocked with Thomas and Henry. Thank you, circa early 1700s.

Re: Hanberg

judyartley26191 — 2008-02-07 05:43:09Z

Hi Nord, in 1910 Henning Hanberg and extended family were living in Everett Ward 5, Snohomish Co., WA. Henning, b. Norway, 38, immigrated in 1880, alien, marr 9 yrs, carpenter; Augusta, wife, b. Norway, immigrated 1886, 31, given birth to one child alive in 1910; Lenora Hanber, dau, b. ND, 8; Jennie Simerson, sister law, b. Norway, 24, immigrated 1886, dressmaker; Eina Hanberg, brother, b. Norway, 65, immigrated 1886 & naturalized before 1910, carpenter; and Laure Hanberg, brother, b. ND, 21, single, carpenter contractor.

I didn't find anything else for Henning, Augusta, Lenora, Jennie or Eina. Probably Lenora married.

On June 5, 1917 a Lawrence Hanberg living in Big Sandy, Chouteau, Montana filled out his World War I Draft Reg. Card. He was b. Colfax, North Dakota, 26 Mar 1889. He was a carpenter for Alfred Simonson; medium height & build with blue eyes & light hair.

I'd try to get his birth cert. from Colfax, ND to ensure this is really your Laure Hanberg.

In 1920 Lawrence Hanberg was living in Seattle, King Co., Wash. He was b. Dakota, 29, single, house carpenter and Eugene Drolet, partner, widower, b. Canada, 44 was living with him.

In 1930 Lawrence Hanberg and family was living in Montebello, Los Angeles Co., California. Lawrence b. ND, 39, marr @ 28, carpenter house builder; wife Pearl, b. IA, 28, marr @ 21; Maurice Hanberg, son, b. WA, 7.

A Lawrence M. Hanberg b. 26 March 1889, ND, d. 26 March 1968 in Los Angeles Co; mother's maiden name=Leland. Source: CA Death Index 1940-1997.

A Morris Lee Hanberg b. 29 Nov 1922, WA, d. 18 June 1997, Riverside Co., Calif. Mother's maiden name=Palmer. Source: CA Death Index 1940-1997.

A Morris L. Hanberg who last soc. sec. benefit was mailed to Sun City, Riverside Co., CA, b. 29 Nov 1922 and d. 18 June 1997. His soc. security # was assigned in CA before 1951. Source: Social Security Death Index which anyone can access at no charge. Successful Hunting!

Re: dietz,kolle

judyartley26191 — 2008-02-07 04:51:27Z

Hi, this really a good way to do genealogy. Even if someone found Frank or Louis Kolle in WA, they may not be the correct people.

You need to go back to Pauline who married Henry Kolle and find out when Louis was born. Was his surname Dietz or Kolle? When and where did he die? Who did he marry? When and where were his children born and died, etc. Successful Hunting!

Re: McLoughlin Heights Suicide September 1944

judyartley26191 — 2008-02-07 04:37:31Z

Hi Vickie, if you're looking for the newspaper article check out http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx.

If you're looking for info about the people, remember that the most recent Census available to the public was the 1930 Census. Since Flo was only 19 yrs old in 1944, the 1930 Census won't help. Can't do much without more info.

Re: Death Info prior to 1940

judyartley26191 — 2008-02-07 21:19:09Z

Hi, I couldn't find them anywhere on the Censuses. However, the Eastern WA Gen. Soc., www.rootsweb.com/~waewgs/ does do research for the Spokane County area. They should also have the microfilm for all of the death index too.

Looking through the Spokane County Cemeteries might be of help too, www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/washington/wa-spokane.htm. Successful Hunting!

Re: Washington state death index trouble

judyartley26191 — 2008-05-27 04:36:24Z

Hi, it sounds like the microfilm you're using is in bad shape. Your local Genealogy Society, Mormon Church Family History Center or some libraries have this microfilm and should be readable.

Seeking: Catherine WYATT born c1951-53

wrcn3366 — 2008-07-29 19:45:13Z

Seeking 1C - birth name thought to be Catherine WYATT; born c1951-53; Washington?

Father: Edward Francis McCluskey WYATT b.1932 Halifax Co. Nova Scotia Canada. Occupation upon c1950-52 marriage: Canadian Army (PPCLI/1). Shipped to Korea.

Mother: Romaine [nee SURNAME unknown]

Divorced sometime in the mid to latter 1950s

Re: Seeking: Catherine WYATT born c1951-53

wrcn3366 — 2008-08-06 04:24:05Z

Thank you.

We have no reason to believe Catherine (Cathy) was adopted. More than likely her Mum re-married at some point in time. Possibly she was told little to nothing about her father.

I had considered the Salvation Army, so should look into that.

Again, thank you ever so much for trying to help.

Toni

Re: MARY ALICE SMITH mn=LULAY

den_mother4 — 2008-04-16 13:38:43Z

Debbie - Please contact me at denmother4@hotmail.com. I have information about Mary Alice (Lulay) Smith that I would like to share with you.

~Susan

Re: owens

lucinda1884 — 2008-07-25 23:42:36Z

Where exactly are your Owens from and are they Afro-Amer

Re: Elgie/Hjort

abeckett192 — 2007-03-27 18:18:11Z

I have the ancestry on Harry A. Hjort. He was the second cousin of my grandmother.
contact me if you want to share information.
Anna

Re: Orlando and Helen (Martin) Gamage

edward7291 — 2008-02-14 22:45:45Z

Hello,
One can certainly become distracted even from pressing duties with a computer.
I just googled, violins, Gamage, Seattle and found your recent post. I got goose pimples on reading it.
The violin that I played a few hour ago to entertain the patients at the Ocean View Meadows Old Fols home has hand-written in big very readable black felt pen letters,
"Corrected by O.C. Gamage Seattle 1907." The "O" is "drawn" in a fancy way with a line circling down through the middle of it.
When my sister and I started taking violin lessons from Mr. Larson in about 1950 (I was 12 or 13)my sister bought a new instrument with the $100 she had just won for first place in a state essay contest. I used the old violin that had been in our actic as long as I could remember.
The story I rembember is that somebody had left it at my dad's Texaco station on California and Morgan in West Seattle when not having money (or ration stamps) to pay for the gas. The customer never came back and I used it playing second violin in the DelNorte Orchestra early December. As we have had it for over sixty years that would have been the first time used in an orchestra in that time. It still sound good. Better still it helped to bring happiness to some twenty-five old people most of whom can't walk or even stan alone. But to the sound of a banjo, a harmonica, a tamborine and a violin repaired by Gamage before any of them were born, they tapped their feet, and applauded at the efforts of five amatuers.

Re: looking for my birth family (mom adopted from children's home society-Seattle)

genehisthome — 2008-07-20 07:22:28Z

Work from what you know to what you don't know.

If you do not yet have a strategy manual, may I recommend "Birthright" by Jean A S Strauss. You can probably find a copy of it used.

Get a copy of your mother's amended birth certificate from either the State of Washington Vital Records or from Seattle-King County Health.

You will need to open the sealed adoption file that closed the original birth certificate, and a copy of the unamended birth certificate would be in that file too. It is located at the Washington State Archives and can be opened by Washington State Vital Records on receipt of a court order. Your means to do this is through the Family Law Division of the King County courts. If your mother is living she will need to join you in the petition. You are seeking information for family medical reasons--remember that, it's a reason that works!!--and everyone concerned is over the age of 18 years. For a birth in 1963 is it not presumptive that the parents would be deceased.

I am presuming you have exhausted your resources with the Childrens Home Society. I am also presuming your adoptive grandparents could not give you the answers either.

Of passing interest, the date of birth of your mother is almost exactly nine months after the closing of the Seattle World's Fair...and of the Cuban Missile Crisis. It may mean nothing, or it may mean something. Times were pretty tense around the region in October 1962.

You are looking for answers, not necessarily for people.

Don't give up. I was in your shoes. I found some of my answers in a successful search several years ago. Best of luck to you.

Re: Regarding Marriage and Death records

genehisthome — 2008-07-20 07:05:15Z

The Dolores Sweeney who died 4 Mar 1944 in Spokane City was the daughter of Charles W Hoyt and Mary Borton, names spelled as shown in the record. She was aged 52/3/24 so the death certificate gave her exact date of birth and probably the place. Places of birth for parents might be given. The place of her burial, cremation, or removal would be provided. The name of the funeral home would be on the record, and sometimes funeral homes have files of obituaries, funeral orders, and other data they can share with you. The cause of her death would be given and the name of her attending physician provided, or the name of the coroner who investigated her unexpected death. The name of the person who provided the information (the informant) would be given. Whether she was away from home at the time would be provided. How long she was a resident of the state of Washington and her residence should be provided. How long she suffered from the cause which took her life might be provided. If she was ever a military veteran, the name of her unit might be provided. There's a lot of Good Info on a 1944 death cert.

Certificate number for you to order with is 1944-Spokane City-0365. Happy hunting!

Re: I need help finding an area in Washington

genehisthome — 2008-07-20 06:51:35Z

Birth certificates from 1943 for King County can be obtained from two sources: the Seattle-King County Health Department, or Washington State Vital Records in Olympia. There is a form to be filled out and a fee to be paid. If your grandmother is living, she should complete the form...because if the birth did not get recorded for some reason, she may have to pursue a delayed filing.

When last I visited Selleck several of the older building were still standing, although most of the lumbering and coal mining equipment had been removed. The old country school was still there. Selleck is very close to the Cedar River Watershed, the source of drinking water for most of King County, and some of the rural areas around the town site are restricted. It is an area of recent housing development. There is a small cemetery on private land, which has been inventoried by Arthur Fiske and others, records available on line in several places. The Seattle Public Library has a vertical file on the town and on the cemetery.

The legal description of the town site is in and around Sec 26, T22N R07E of the Willamette Meridian.

Washington Death Index 1907 - 1960 At FamilySearch

genehisthome — 2008-07-20 06:39:26Z

Just a reminder, in case you haven't found it yet: the LDS Church has posted a newly-revised electronic index to Washington death certificates 1907 - 1960. It is part of the pilot program associated with the redesigned FamilySearch web site. No more murky microfilm! No more Soundexing! Best of all, it's free!

To go there:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#w=;p=2...

This link leads you directly to the Washington query page. To search the entire pilot project, click on "new search."

This is a really neat index. It is forwardly-searchable by maiden names of women, has fuzzy matching, has exact matching, and is location-sensitive. Have fun, everybody.

Re: LOOKUP OF RELATIVES OF JOHN E WEISLER OF WENATCHEE,WA

Bill_Weisler — 2008-04-18 14:54:43Z

John was my father as my mom has stated. I suggest you also contact my wife, Michelle Weisler at her email which is michelle@weisler.net. She has been doing extensive work on our family tree. I currently, and hopefully only, have 3 children. 2 Boys, Sinjin and Bryce and 1 Girl, Devon.

BTW Hi Tina :) & Mom

Re: LUCHT, Carl

khines42 — 2002-09-18 03:21:42Z

Tom,

I have a different birthdate for Carl than you do.

Johann Erdmann Lucht & Marie Henriette Unke m. September 02, 1853 in Storkow, Neustettin, Pomerania, Germany
1) Johann Hermann Lucht b. December 14, 1857
2) Ernst Ludwig Lucht b. March 16, 1859
3) Carl Lucht b. August 21, 1854

I have one of Ida's sisters as Ottilie Hintz/Hinz b. January 22, 1860. I have her as marrying Carl Peck.

I wondered about the relationship between those Unke families.

Kathy

I need help finding an area in Washington

alanajocouch — 2008-05-24 15:53:20Z

My Mother says she was born in Selleck, WA in 1943.

Where exactly is Selleck located? My Grandma says near Seattle, is that correct?

When I googled it it came up Selleck Uninc King Co Washington.

So is Uninc King the name of the County?

Where could I find 1943 birth information from that area?

Re: MAGBY, James Clark; my great-uncle

fizgen — 2008-02-18 23:37:09Z

The family has lost contact. We want to know what happened. Did he marry? Have a family, etc.

Jessy

MAGBY, James Clark; my great-uncle

fizgen — 2008-02-14 20:13:58Z

Hello! I need help locating information on my great uncle James Clark Magby b. 1912. He was in the service from 1929-1935 at Ft. Lewis. In the 1930 census he is listed as b. 1909 and a patient there (Ft. Lewis). I have his military discharge papers from NARA but they give little information. I have no information on him after his discharge from Ft. Lewis. If anyone has any help I would be so grateful.

Margaret Cox

mommarat — 2008-03-25 15:51:10Z

I am looking for an obit on my great aunt. Her name was Margaret Menzies Cox. She was born to Robert Buchanan Menzies and Margaret Ann Morris in Schofield Utah. She was born 16 March 1903 and passed away 24 January 1983 in Spokane I think. Any info would be helpful

Re: MEEKS, Myron

randreasnm — 2008-06-08 01:31:10Z

Myron Meeks married his second wife Jennie June Sherwood on 22 jul 1908 in Yakima Co., Washington. They had one son named Charles S. Meeks (1910-1996). He also had a son named George Stanlee Meeks born 12 May 1893 and died after 1920. George Meeks was living in California in 1920.

Re: Joseph Thomas Ferguson..... ANYBODY

aferguson114 — 2008-08-07 12:42:56Z

Hi My name is April Ophelia Ferguson named after my grabdmother Ophelia Ferguson. Father Thomas Joseph Ferguson Jr. Son of Thomas J. Ferguson Sr. Husband of Ophelia Ferguson..If you are of relation please contact me

NEED TO FIND SIBLINGS WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY

PatMcCord199 — 2005-01-11 00:27:22Z

I am trying to find information on two babies that were born to BERTHA ANNE BANGO OR BONGO (maiden name) between 1930 and 1940. One of these children may be named BEVERLY. Bertha Anne BANGO OR BONGO may have been married to a man named ANDERSON (no first name known). Bertha stated two times in documents that she had 2 children and one died at birth and the other died young. I am trying to locate the info on these two silbings for my friend (Cam) who was born to Bertha BANGO in 1941. She would love to find the info, the graves and put flowers on her siblings graves. My friend Cam was born to Bertha but gave her up to a foster family to raise her till she married. Bertha Anne BANGO OR BONGO was born in Alaska and then moved to Washington State (possibly King or Kitsap Countied but unknown for certain). We do have all the family history but for these two children's history. PLEASE HELP. My friend is not young and needs to find her siblings.
Thank you so much
Pat

Edna Pool and DR George Pool of Rainier and Yelm,WA area??

jon_shumaker — 2004-03-29 22:37:08Z

On the 1920 Census is listed George Pool head of household residing in Rainier, WA and in his home is Louis B. 16 and Edna and as I recall she is 12. George is shown in a City Directory of Yelm,WA as being their doctor in 1930 and on the 1930 Census as well. I know what happened to Louis, but never thought to ask my step father what had become of his sister. I never heard him mention her at any time. I have looked through the various death film rolls but have not found hide nor hair of either George or Edna. Have any of you come across them???

Re: Betty Smith

skeetl1 — 2008-07-12 18:01:41Z

I have looked more carefully at the studio name and I think that they use a double vertical line in the letters that has confused me. I now think the name of the studio is Bawden. I did find a Bawden Photography studio on the web in Los Angeles CA. I will put a post on the CA board.

Re: Betty Smith

skeetl1 — 2008-07-11 14:40:48Z

Thanks so much for your help Ron. I have found a little more info from Alabama. Joanna's maiden name was Phillips and she married Ralph Oct-11-1878. I found this on the Mobile Co probate court records.

I will post all of my info in another querry on the Whatcom County board.

I have attached the picture from the studio in St Paul as well.

Re: Betty Smith

skeetl1 — 2008-06-17 02:51:18Z

Thanks Ron for your reply. I am new to genealogy research, but You have found most of the info that I have. Mamie (Mary Elizabeth) was my grandmother. I have entered a public tree under the name Mamie Smith Family Tree with most of the info I have.

I have 2 studio portraits of Betty Smith taken at about 25-35 years of age in cardboard studio frames. There is no date on either of them, but I would guess that they were take at least 50 to 75 years ago. One is from Jukes Inc, Bellingham, Wash. The other is from what appears to be Baiiwidiein Studios, Saint Paul (no state listed)--there could be an "I" in front of the "B" in the name of the studio. Both of the pictures are head shots. One has "Betty Smith Mamie's niece" hand written on it in what could be my mother's hand, the other has "Mamie's niece, Betty Smith, lived in Wash. state".

I am assuming that she is the daughter of Samuel Smith b. 1879 in Al, son of Ralph by his first wife Joanna, since I did track John J, her full brother in later census. He stayed in AL as did Mamie and he did not have a daughter that could have been Betty.

I do not know what happened to Joanna, do not know her maiden name and do not know the maiden name of Katie or Kate C, Ralph's second wife. I am still searching for that info. It is possible that there was another child of Ralph and Joanna not listed on the 1880 census. As for Ralph's age, he was either 58 or 59 when he died and that puts his age in 1880 at about 21(his headstone and his death certificated do not agree).

Thanks again for your help.

Betty Smith

skeetl1 — 2008-06-12 15:13:01Z

I have a picture of a woman named Betty Smith that was the niece of Mamie Smith. Betty lived in Washington State when the portrait was made. Mamie was the daughter of Ralph Smith by his second wife, but his son John J by the second wife did not have a daughter named Betty, therefore, I believe that Betty was the daughter of Mamie's half brother Samuel. Samuel was born in Mobile AL in 1879, the son of Ralph Smith and Joanna. Joanna was the first wife of Ralph Smith. Joanna's Mother and Father were from Scotland. I would appreciate any information on Joanna, Samuel or Betty Smith that might be related to Mamie Smith.

Re: William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

dny47 — 2008-06-07 13:12:57Z

My apologies for not giving the place of birth as Sedgwick, KS.

I recognize the inconsistencies in the Long Beach record, however in view of other familial circumstances I am using a working hypothesis that that is indeed my William C.

My only source of info placing William C in Seattle is based on my mother and her older sister's recollection of what their parents told them. They never met him or his daughter. I recognize this is not good evdience.

I too have searched the Washington digital archives without success.

An outside hope is that the daughter has turned up in someone's line as a spouse.

Thanks for yhour help.

Re: William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

dny47 — 2008-06-07 21:01:22Z

Ron,

FWIW, the Washington Death Index at Ancestry does not contain a record for William O Peacock even when I enter the exact info you found.

Did you search http://search.labs.familysearch.org/ ?

I can't seem to access it. In any case, I have "asked a librarian," and thanks again!

Dave

Re: William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

dny47 — 2008-06-07 20:19:30Z

Ron - this is great - thanks MUCH!

I had found the Ohio record too and just found out this morning that that William is William A born in Ohio. All I "know" is that the birth month is February 1900. He is not mentioned in the obit of his oldest sibling who died in 1969 (makes sense to me).

I am certain your william O Peacock is indeed my William C Peacock. The Lida - Lydia error is seen in other indices.

I do not know why this gentleman did not show up in the digitial archives search for 'William Peacock" that I did.

I will contact the Washngton State Library per your suggestion. Thanks again!

William Clifford Peacock in Seattle ?

dny47 — 2008-06-06 19:34:41Z

I am looking for any information on William Clifford Peacock (b 1900), 4th son of William R. Peacock Jr & Lida Smith [this is the Indiana line from Asa Peacock].

I have US Census data from 1900 to 1930 when he lived in Long Beach, CA. My understanding is that he and his wife Mary [maiden name unknown] then moved to Seattle. They have a daughter we believe to be named Sharon.

He was known to his brother Rolland's family as "Clifford" and that was the name on all census forms until 1930 when he is listed as William.

I cannot find record of a WWI Registration although he would have been of prime age at the time.

I do not believe he is this person (based on the birth date)
Name: William Peacock
SSN: 532-05-9576
Last Residence: 98596 Winlock, Lewis, Washington, United States of America
Born: 30 Aug 1904
Died: Dec 1968
SSN issued:Washington (Before 1951 )

Any help appreciated - Thanks

Re: Gene Raymond Black from Washington died in 1970

Stevens_Brandt — 2006-12-12 05:30:01Z

I am looking for his sister Judy Black-Anderson and brothers
Thank you, but none of the people are Gene. He was born and lived in wa, but died in oregon.

Re: Info on MICKELSON

banders67 — 2008-02-04 06:03:36Z

If you are still searching for this family, please respond as I may be able to help.

Re: Orlando and Helen (Martin) Gamage

bethrau1 — 2008-02-05 04:55:33Z

Corrections to my posting! I was typing while distracted:

Go to www.findagrave.com and you will find Orlando died November 6, 1911. There are four other people with the surname GAMAGE buried in the same cemetery, but NONE named Helen. Information on the cemetery can be found on that website.

Re: Orlando and Helen (Martin) Gamage

bethrau1 — 2008-02-05 04:53:32Z

Go to www.findagrave.com and you will find Orland died November 6, 1911. There are four other people with the surname GAMAGE buried in the same cemetery, but one named Helen. Information on the cemetery can be found on that website.

Re: MAGBY, James Clark; my great-uncle

bethrau1 — 2008-02-18 17:29:06Z

Did the family lose contact with your great-uncle, and you are trying to determine when and where he died, if he married and had children and etc.? Or are you looking for more information about his military career?

Re: Janes Hilli, born 21 Aug 1875

bethrau1 — 2008-03-04 03:53:21Z

The Daily Chronicle Centralia, Washington November 30, 1963 page 2

John HILL Rite Dated

The father of a Rochester woman, John Hill, 88, a resident of McKenna for the past three years, died Wednesday in a Tacoma hospital. He was born Aug. 21, 1875, in Finland.
Mr. Hill was a former resident of Raymond for 10 years and prior to that resided in Independence for 46 years.
In addition to his daughter, Mrs. Gertrude Saari, Rochester, survivors include two other daughters, Mrs. Martha Nikula, Olympia; Mrs. Bertha Borri, Finland; two sons, J. Arne Hill, Olympia, and Frank Hill, Everett; four grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.
Funeral services will be Monday, 1 p.m., at Newell-Hoerling's, Centralia, with the Rev. A. C. Baumgaertner officiating. Burial will follow in the Independece cemetery.

------------------------------

I don't find an obituary for Rosa.

Re: Janes Hilli, born 21 Aug 1875

bethrau1 — 2008-03-04 03:22:43Z

Are you familiar with the free, volunteer-run genweb sites? Each county has a volunteer who gathers and posts local and family history.

Here is the link to the Lewis County genweb site:

http://www.drizzle.com/~jtenlen/walewis/walewis.html

Here is the link to the Lewis County Historical Society:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~walcgs/

On the Lewis County Historical Society website you can find John and Rosa M. HILL burials in the Finn Hill cemetery in Independence:

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wa/lewis/cemeteries/fin...

Re: Janes Hilli, born 21 Aug 1875

bethrau1 — 2008-03-04 01:39:03Z

This might be the correct family in Independence, Lewis County, WA, in 1930:

HILL, John, 54, widow, born Finland, emigrated 1893, general farmer.
--- Arne, son, 14, born WA, parents Finland.
--- Frank, son, 12, WA, parents Finland.
--- Martha, Daughter, 25, WA, parents born Finland.

Re: John Norcross Bowen, New Jersey 1883

bethrau1 — 2008-08-18 23:57:10Z

WW1 draft registration card Sept 18 1918 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

John Norcross BOWEN
908 Oil E? Bldg., Okla City, Okla
age 35, born June 4, 1883
occupation: Oil reginer for Golen Belt Rg? Co, Ok. City, Okla
next of kin: Mrs. Amanda Bowen, Riverton, NJ
short, stout, brown hair, brown eyes

I believe this may be the same man:

1920 Colorado Denver County, Denver

BOWEN, John N., roomer, 36, divorced, born NJ, parents born NJ. Manager, oil refining.

Here is the link to the Washington State Digital Archives:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx

Nothing found in the SSDI. Nothing on Findagrave.

Washington state death index trouble

kentasm — 2008-05-16 20:07:05Z

The microfilm copy of the WA death index before 1940 that I'm looking at is very hard to read -- tiny print, out of focus, poorly exposed. Does everyone have this problem, or is it just me? Do I have alternatives?

Re: Washington state death index trouble

kentasm — 2008-05-27 21:23:39Z

At the moment I am most interested in Agnes WINTHER who I can make out on the microfilm for 1920-1929 as having died in Cowlitz county, age 3_. She gave birth in July, 1922 so she couldn't have died before that, and she would have turned 40 in September, 1927, so presumable she died before that, but I can't make out the date in the death index at all.
If you're actually looking at death certificates, I would be interested in collateral information, too. I think her maiden name was LORENSEN, but I'd like confirmation. Her husband was Rasmus L. WINTHER. I would be especially interested if there are any clues about how long she had been in Cowlitz county.
Thanks for the help.

Re: LOOKUP OF RELATIVES OF JOHN E WEISLER OF WENATCHEE,WA

MartinaHennessy — 2008-02-19 18:39:37Z

My name is Martina Hennessy. I was born Martina C. Weisler on September 5, 1961. John E. Weisler was my father. I have two children and liv in Fox Lake, IL.

Regarding Marriage and Death records

ckbswg — 2008-02-07 17:55:58Z

Before I spend money for vital records that may not be the persons I'm searching for, I would like to know what information would be contained in a marriage record from 1930 and a death record from 1944.

In this case,
Dolores E. Hoyt--m. Edward L. Sweeney
17 July 1930--Spokane County

Dolores Sweeney
d. 4 March 1944--Spokane City

Are these records available at City, County, and/or State level? If I send for them, what would be my best choice?

Regards,
Carolyn

Re: Regarding Marriage and Death records

ckbswg — 2008-02-08 03:01:11Z

Thank you!

The marriage record appears to be for the correct people. Printed a copy for my records. Now I'll send a message to the state library requesting an obit lookup. You have helped me solve a brick wall.

Carolyn

1901 census

Estella30 — 2008-02-19 19:14:59Z

Can someone look up Thomas Dawson for me. He was born in about 1850 in Liverpool, England. I believe he might have been living in Washington with his wife, Catherine, and family. I need the names of his two youngest children and when they were born.

Re: McLoughlin Heights Suicide September 1944

mbrowder53190 — 2008-02-07 14:03:32Z

Thank you for your reply. I have actually found FloElla Butts alive in Louisianna. And yes, she was married to William Richard Kelley. Her family and I have corresponded several times. While Flo did not give birth to a child due to some medical difficulties, it is possible that William could have had a child with any one of a number of other women. As is, there is proof that poor Flo was not aware that her true love was still married in Texas. He had lead her to believe he was divorced. I am happy that Flo and her family did know of William's 3 children and have asked about them. Unfortunately for Flo, William was not anymore faithful to her than he was to his wife in Texas.

Thanks,

Vickie

Re: dietz,kolle

mandsdietz — 2008-02-10 01:04:20Z

louis was a dietz and not a kolle. pauline was a bit old for children with henry kolle and have never seen that there were any. but i do believe he had children with first wife). louis, frank, and robert were louis children. louis, brother anton francis (frank), and joseph came from eschenbach, bavaria to baltimore with their mother. they are the 3 youngest of 6 known dietz sons.

louis died 1876 and is buried next to eldest brother, g. (georg likely)jacob dietz in loudon park cemetery, baltimore. georg is buried there in paupers' area nearby. mother, anna maria or marie anne is also buried by louis and jacob. nothing indicates that the father came to baltimore with any of family.

look at baltimore, md. census 1860 (baltimore city) with georg listed as head of house. you will find all of these dietz first mentioned in this country in that census except for john m. dietz who was married and in his own home.

see my other post. thanks so much for your post. s

Re: dietz,kolle

mandsdietz — 2008-02-10 00:55:24Z

hi,

do not recall receiving your message on dietz, kolle. if you check my previous dietz, kolle posts you will see that louis (german ludwig, ludwick)was born about 1835. his second eldest brother was my husband's immigrant ancestor, georg peter dietz. am very anxious to someday connect with a dietz descendant and louis' line is the only one except for husband's that may have living issue.

we also plan to visit the vaterland late summer/early fall and am so excited about your census info which states louis' and georg's mother was born NOT IN BAVARIA BUT IN WURTEMBURG? may have misspelled that! had not been able to track louis' son(s)in most recent censuses.

thank you, thank you!

are you related?

have some info located for me by a gal who subscribes to a site that has access to newspapers from the time of louis and georg immigrating with siblings and mother but not father.

thanks so very much. s

dietz

mandsdietz — 2008-04-09 20:16:21Z

am still searching for descendants of louis f. dietz born abt, 1866. sons were last in seattle, wa. thanks bunches, s

Re: dietz

mandsdietz — 2008-04-13 23:53:18Z

ron, when you have some time would you please check for the death of the louis f. dietz age 47 in the 1920 seattle census, king co. and lived nob hill? he would have been born about 1873. he should be a first cousin to louis f. dietz who died 25 nov 1948 at age 82.

were the names reversed, louis f. and frank l. would think they were brothers.

thanks a million whether you find him or not. s

ps contacted library for obit. thanks for the tip. s

Re: dietz

mandsdietz — 2008-04-13 23:29:57Z

thanks for responding once again, ron. problem with these dietz is that being german they followed naming patterns that are confusing at best. from your reply they continue to do this yet today. my info has been only very brief on the original frank and louis born in the 1830s. (and these are not their "home" names). it has been difficult following them from there. thanks to folks like you who are so much more computer savvy i now have trailed these descendants to seattle, king co., washington and have hopes of contacting them to discuss our shared heritage prior to taking out trip to germany this summer.

actually, this is the line of ludwig/louis dietz. and you are correct, i do tend to forget to continue information from original messages.

really appreciate your help. will try for obit now. thanks again. s

DELBERT & VIOLET BALES AND DELLA & WILLIAM THOMPSON

Rlsx65 — 2004-03-19 03:31:30Z

I'm searching on any information on DELBERT BALES and wife VIOLET BALES who lived and died in Washington. They had a daughter DELLA MARIE who married WILLIAM THOMPSON. They moved from Missouri to Washingon probably in the late 40's or early 50's.

I know that Delbert, Violet and Della are all deceased but do not have the dates or where they are buried. Della and William had children also but do not have any names for them.

Delbert and Violet were my Uncle and Aunt and Della was my cousin. My mother (Violet's sister) is also deceased and I have no records of when they died or where they are buried in Washington. Believe at one time they lived in Vancouver area but don't know where they lived at the time of their death.

Anyone haveing some info on this family would greatly appreciate any info you might have.

Big Bend, Washington ... Location of ??? NOGEL, ODELL

T_Blondo — 2005-02-04 16:24:06Z

I am working from a genealogy compiled by a Great Aunt. She refers to her brother being born in BIG BEND, Washington, and I am hoping someone can help me in finding the location of such a place.

Some of the other towns this family lived was Post Falls, ID; Entiat, WA; Mansfield, WA; Mold, WA; Ellensburg, WA; and St. Andrews, WA.

Any help you may be able to provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Re: Jason Eli Anderson or Linda Anderson

esthermbautista — 2008-02-18 04:44:59Z

It's been a while since I posted this. I did not do a very good job! Jason would be in his 30's. Linda maybe late 50s early 60s. I think Jason was born in 74 or 76. July 4th...I remember that much. Also I don't know if this will ring a bell but when we were younger he had a dog named Salem and we took him to the school and Salem peed on Jason's leg. It was soo funny. I hope you are okay. I really want to correspond with you via email. I miss you and hope you are okay. I pray God will reunite us.

Washington Death Index prior to 1920-help needed

sidrasmussen — 2008-06-26 04:26:10Z

345 86 N.W. Seattle, Washington is the last address I have for my Great-grandmother and she is not listed there in 1920, although her son Edward Bernard Carlson is. She was born 31 January 1855 in Sweden. Her name is CARLOLINA CARLSON Carlena, Lena, Caroline are also names used. If there is an index to help me, I would appreciate your help. I've sent for death records, but they keep sending me ones that don't fit my dates. Her husband was John Carlson and he died in 1913. She immegrated on 25 May 1885. T.B. was a family ailment, so she may have been hospitalized outside of Seattle when she died.
Would love to find a death record for Edward B. Carlson, too. He was born 28 September 1891 in Seattle and seems to disappear in soon after 1920.

Re: Washington Death Index prior to 1920-help needed

sidrasmussen — 2008-06-26 18:19:28Z

Dear Diane,
I have paid for so many bad certificates. Your information led me to KAROLINE CARLSON and she is my Carolina. We were able to trace her ancestors to 1600 in Sweden, but we couldn't find out what happened to her in Seattle. THANK YOU!!!! I had sent Karolina as one of her aliases without luck. AMAZING!! Have great success in your searches! Sidney in Sacramento, California If I can yelp you.

Taylor brothers in 1912

DeeAustin50 — 2008-02-22 03:40:14Z

I am looking for George and S. Beverley Taylor. Both brothers were reported to be living in Washington State in 1912. George in Shelton and S. Beverley in Tacoma. I have found one other brother (Ovan) but neither of the brothers were mentioned in his 1922 obit. Can anyone help? Dee

Re: Taylor brothers in 1912

DeeAustin50 — 2008-03-03 04:19:24Z

Thank you Ron for replying. My Taylors (George W and S. Beverly) were born in the 1840s (before 1848) in Nova Scotia Canada. Their father was John W Taylor and mother was Rachel (Price) Taylor. Both born in Canada. In 1912 according to their stepmother's obit, S. Beverly was living in Tacoma and George W was living in Shelton, WA. I believe that S. Beverly stayed in the area because of informtion I just found, but I dont know anything about George W. Their brother Ovan died in Yakima, WA in 1922. He and his wife are buried there.

Re: Taylor brothers in 1912

DeeAustin50 — 2008-03-03 04:25:25Z

Sorry I forgot to add that I am looking for any information on these brothers or descendents. (I did find an obituary for an S. Beverly Taylor form Tacoma that is too young to be the one I am looking for but may be a son.) Neither of them were mentioned in Ovan's obit(1922) so they may have died before then. Dee

Re: Pasanen

rfautenberry2 — 2008-05-26 09:07:18Z

I am a grandson of William and Mae Pasanen, son of Karen Marie Pasanen (married:Fautenberry).
William was a career US Navy officer from about 1929 until 1959. He was serving aboard a destoyer during the Pearl Harbor attack on Decemeber 7th, 1941. Later, he become an engineering officer on the USS Yorktown,CVS-10.
There are still four surviving daugthers of William and Mae, with Selma Lynn Pasanen(Sturtevant)passing away in 2000. The living four daughters are Phyliss Joanne (Riley) at about 78 years of age, Karen Marie (Fautenberry; divorced) at 68 years of age, Susan J. (formerly Sackett, but remarried) about 64 years old, and Patrica A. (Todack; divorced) at about 62 years old.

If any further information is wanted just reply to this message or send an email to robilefox@yahoo.com.

Janes Hilli, born 21 Aug 1875

kachambless — 2008-03-03 12:06:59Z

I'm trying to help someone in Finland trace ancestors to the United States. Here is the information supplied to me. Janes Jaakonpoika Hilli (21 Aug 1875 - 27 Nov 1963). Was in the USA 1903-1907 and again starting in 1913. He married in the US, wife's name unknown. They had 2 sons, Johan Aarne, born 20 Jul 1915, and Frank Elmer, born 18 Nov 1917. I believe I found the family in the 1920 census, Washington state, Lewis County, Independence precinct, enumeration district 146. The wife's name seems to read Rosa M., born in Finland and the 2 boys born in Washington. I can't find any birth record for the boys or death record for the parents. I can't locate them in the 1930 census. I do find the 2 boys listed in the SSN death index. Any other information would be welcome. I'm also posting to the Finnish board. Thanks in advance.

Orlando and Helen (Martin) Gamage

fjmerrill — 2008-01-28 01:47:34Z

I am looking for the dates of death for Orlando Gamage b. July 1846 in Bristol, Maine d. 1910-1920 Seattle, Washington, and his wife Helen M. (Martin) Gamage b. Jan 1848 in Bristol, Maine d. 1910-1920 Seattle, Washington.

Orlando was a violin maker. Anything anecdotal about his trade would be great as well.

Thanks!
Kimberly

Hesro or Hesco, Charles Tacoma WA-Warness photo

2006Ancestors — 2008-06-14 22:15:54Z

At no cost to the family I am looking to place with his descendants a photo of Charles Q, or O, Hesro taken ata Wagness photo studio at the corner of 11th st & Pacific in Tacoma Washington. It was most likely taken in the early 1900's since Washington was a territory before that. Another name on the back of the photo is Lorcie A G.

looking for WA obits

lilengineer22 — 2008-04-10 06:51:06Z

trying to locate obits on these two brothers:

Charles S. Rima - born 11/22/1898 and died 01/13/1975 in Spokane City, WA

William A. Rima - born 03/05/1906 and died 02/03/2002 in Ferry County, WA

anyone, please help...

Patricia A. Conner Pfeifer

lilengineer22 — 2008-03-06 00:02:47Z

I'm looking for information or an obit on Pat A. Conner. Patricia Arrana Conner was born 03-28-1917 in Montana, married Harvey Elmer Pfeifer in Washington state, which is where they lived. They had four children, then Harvey died in 1992. Some time after that, Pat remarried Bruce Pietrzykowski. please let me know if you can find anything on her and bruce...

Re: Boyk of wash

lilengineer22 — 2008-02-23 03:36:30Z

My relatives are Mary and Ed Boyk, who lived in Lincoln county, Washington. If that is the family you are looking for, just let me know. Thanks

Marriage License for Antonio Vieira & Minnie Ivie, June 1, 1917

deeburroughs1 — 2006-04-24 01:46:47Z

My gr-parents (Antonio Vieira & Minnie Mae Ivie) were married on June 1, 1917 in Tacoma, WA -- can someone tell me how I go about getting a copy of their marriage license. For one thing, I do not know what county Tacoma is in. Please help. Thank you, Dee Burroughs (email address is deeburroughs@sbcglobal.net

Re: Looking for Richard Harding Ashley

paulnetland — 2007-02-01 20:06:27Z

I have heard of this one before but I am not positive that it is him. I do have the correct birthdate and he was born in MO. My father is still alive and the family tree dates are right since my Aunt had taken them out of the family bible. If I could just see a picture of him I would be able to tell if it was him or not. Do you know of anyway I could get ahold of the family?

Mary Worak - Need help!

Brentnauer — 2008-03-14 17:03:20Z

Hi there,

I'm researching the maternal side of my tree and I'm unable to find information on my grandmother, Mary Worak.

She married a man named Woodrow E Wilson who committed suicide in the 60s. She had 3 daughters (Jacqueline [my mother, born in 1957], Pam and Judy) and 1 son with him (name unknown).

Mary remarried at least once; one of the men was named Glenn. Last name unknown.

Mary was born c. 1918 and died c. 1993.

Any help finding who her parents were so I can trace things back a bit would be greatly appreciated, as well as any other information.

Wilkinson in Pullyap or Federal Way

jtamchay — 2006-03-14 19:40:22Z

I am looking for Vernal R. Wilkinson, married to Lucinda A. Marsden. I believe they were born in 1947 or 1948.
I believe that they should have a phone number or current address in the above towns...any help appreciated with this lookup?
Thanks

Re: looking for obit for Calvin Edward Reel

Ginsanna — 2008-02-17 01:59:12Z

He was the one born in 1927. He was divorced from Cal Jr's mother and apparently no one in my friend's branch had heard anything from him since the 1990s. I have no idea who told her mother-in-law that he died.

looking for obit for Calvin Edward Reel

Ginsanna — 2008-02-16 22:53:28Z

I'm trying to help a friend find an obituary for her husband's grandfather who died a few days ago. His name was Calvin Edward Reel. The last address she had for him was in Twisp, WA, but that was in the 1990s. Any help is appreciated.

Albert Anderson

KathyGIBSON91 — 2008-02-17 23:18:08Z

I am looking for my g-grandfather who worked on the railroad and may have lived in WA. I don't know where but he was from Sweden and born approx. 1874. He came over with a sister and worked his way out west. He married my g-grandmother Lula Allen in Quincey,Plumas, CA in 1907. Her father I beleive was a logger in Wa. his name was Daniel Allen and he was a widow from Utah with small children.Any info would help we have hit a brick wall. My g-grandfather was short with fair skin and hair also went by the nickname of Shorty. He moved to ID around 1910.
Thanks
Kathy Gibson azgibsonclan@yahoo.com

Re: Albert Anderson

KathyGIBSON91 — 2008-02-18 05:44:21Z

Thank you for the info on my g-grandfather. His sisters name was Ellen and she didn't come out west with him. He was abt 15 when he immigrated from Sweden & we think that he was in Moline,ILL before he worked his way out west. I have him on the 1910,1920,1930 census when he is connected to my g-grandmother. The 1910 census in Plumas,Ca with just my g-grandmother I don't know what she was doing and why they had her as Allen. Her father was a widower and she helped raise the younger children. Maybe my grandfather was some where else working. As far as the Wa census with a Louise, that may be because her legal name was Thisbe Louise & she went by Lula & Louise. Yes I have a copy of their marriage cert. it was 1907. I am trying to connect him to any other family before my grandmother and their children 3 sons Albert, Vanness & Raymond. I also have a death cert. it was in Burley,ID 8/8/1949 other than that I am searching. Thanks

Step-sisters of Angus A. Boyd/Canada/CA

labonzzz — 2008-04-18 01:43:10Z

I'm probably searching for a needle in a haystack but does anyone have any information of my great grandfather Angus A. Boy who was born in 1867 in Montreal, Canada. He had two brothers Robert and John that I know of. I just received his Obituary from 1945 where is says he had 3 step-sisters living in Settle, WA. This is the first I heard of sisters. I know his father died when he was 12 or 13 and his mother Anna Bell re-married a man from the Hudson bay co. and Angus left home and settled in Salinas, CA.
Would love any information available.
Thanks,
Bonnie

Alexander Baillie

C_Malowney — 2008-03-06 17:21:53Z

My great grandmother Nancy (Nannie) M. Beavert married a Alexander Baillie in Portland Oregon in May 1891. In approx 1901 "he left on the train" and never returned. Besides for his wife he left an 8 year old son William Henry Baillie and a 5 year old daughter Anna Fern Baille.

I always wondered about Alexander Baillie. Does anyone have any information about him?

Re: Bio mother from Makah Nation, Washington

Kirbvig — 2008-05-29 23:03:32Z

How is your search coming? Have you written to the Makah Tribal Office, Enrollment Division?

Re: Orr family

Kirbvig — 2008-05-29 22:45:38Z

Hi all. I am a cousin. Albert Orr was my grandfather. Joe was his brother. EVERYONE lives between Omak and Nespelem in Okanogan county. Try posting to the Okanogan board. What are you trying to find out? There were 13(?) Orr siblings. Albert was #10. A couple stayed in Canada. We are not Nez Perce. Orr's are Moses/Columbia as far as I know.

Re: Johan George Hiltz b. 1763 who married A. Hoeffler 1784

Kirbvig — 2008-05-29 22:38:49Z

I have some Hiltz in my line, but can't get them any further back than about 1900. Her name was Cora Maude Hiltz from somewhere in Montana. Some of her relations came over and worked on Grand Coulee Dam later (1940+). Cora Maude married Samuel Sandvig and they lived in South Ferry Co., Washington state. I have no other info.

Re: I need help finding an area in Washington

Kirbvig — 2008-05-29 22:29:11Z

Does she mean Selkirk?! If so, this is in Pend O'Reille county. (I don't think I spelt that correctly) Anway, it's just northeast of Spokane.
What family names are you looking for?
Otherwise, uninc King means Unincorporated King County, which is a fancy way of saying rural King County, as opposed to Seattle.

Re: Death Info prior to 1940

MoolyZue1 — 2008-02-08 18:08:30Z

"Desperate: extremely intense desire"

Thank you for all your volunteered research. I appreciate the time and effort but I already have all this info. What I was simply looking for was the death date and place of Augusta Ottilie Szlagowski Bablewksi Herrmann. She was last seen on the 1910 census in Spokane with her second husband, Richard, and two of her daughters. With all that she and her first husband and children went through to come to America, it was extremely (and in fact did not happen) that she and her second husband would return to Germany/Poland.

I do hope that your research tips will help other researchers, as they come across your posting. And, yes, the well intentioned previous postings were not terribly helpful.

Sincerely,
Rebecca

Death Info prior to 1940

MoolyZue1 — 2008-02-05 20:06:05Z

I am desperately seeking information on Auguste Ottilie (Szlagowski Bablewski)Herrmann (spellings could/will vary), my great great grandmother. She and her husband, Richard, and two daughters (Helen 15, Martha 12) are last located on the 1910 Washington census, Spokane, Spokane Co. I cannot locate them on the 1920 or 1930 census. I cannot locate Auguste or Richard on the Washington Death Index that begins in 1940 so I am assuming they died prior to 1940. I do not know whom her daughters married or even if they married. I do not know if Auguste and Richard remained in the Spokane area after 1910. If I could at least locate where and when they died, it will help tremendously. I have a birth date of 27 Sep 1858/61 for Auguste and Jan 1869 for Richard.

Re: Peter Currie

MaryKowatch — 2008-04-09 04:40:44Z

I also have information on Peter Currie's death. He died of a gun shot wound that was ruled self inflicted. Also have a newspaper article in that regards.

Re: Peter Currie

MaryKowatch — 2008-04-09 04:32:00Z

Andrew C. McKay was my great, great grandfather. His daughter, my great grandmother, Margaret McKay was a sister to Alexia McKay, Peter's wife. I have lots of family photo's if interested.

Re: LUDVIGSEN, LUDWIGSEN, LUDWIGSON

ElaineCulling36 — 2008-04-06 20:58:49Z

Just a small update on my previous query. I just found the info. where the Einar Ludwigson b. Feb 16, 1908 Bergen, Norway & d. Jun 24 1987, Mount Vernon, Skagit, WA. I did not have the birthplace originally nor the day of death. Not much but is a small amount of extra info.

Re: LUDVIGSEN, LUDWIGSEN, LUDWIGSON

ElaineCulling36 — 2008-04-06 20:06:56Z

I am not searching all the Ludwigson family but am looking for Einer/Einar Ludwigson & his wife Gertrude Tenner. Gertrude was born about 1913, North Dakota (likely Oberon area, Benson Co.). By 1930 census she was with her parents & siblings in Bayfield Co., WI. In her brother John Tenner's obituary in 1959, she is listed as Mrs. Einer (Gertie) Ludwigson living in Anacortes, Washington. This is my last information regarding Gertrude. I did find Einar Ludwigson listed on the Social Security Death Index as born Feb. 16, 1908 & died Jun 1987. The issuing state was Wisconsin. His residence is given as Mount Vernon, Skagit, WA 98273 & death benefit place also the same. I think this likely is the husband of Gertrude since the name is not that common. Could this be one of your family you are searching. I am interested in any further info. of this family as this is my only info. to date.
Could this be one of your family.

Re: Seeking: Catherine WYATT born c1951-53

judyartley53 — 2008-08-06 02:47:16Z

Hi, I didn't find anything with the info you posted.

If Catherine was adopted, check out the following web sites;
Adoption Registry Connect, www.adopteeconnect.com/p/a/1053/
Washington Adoption Reunion Movement, www.warmsearch.org/

If you're looking for a family member, the Salvation Army Western Territory Headquarters, Long Beach, CA may be able to help. Successful Searching!

Re: marriage or death records

judyartley53 — 2007-04-16 04:27:30Z

Milton Bristol, 573-12-3845, born 4/12/1904 and d. Feb. 1981. His last residence and benefit check were mailed to Sumner, WA. His social security # was issued in WA state.

I checked the Washington Secretary State Digital Archives but Milton or Ann or Doris aren't listed there yet. They are in the process of the records. Check back at Washington Secretary State Digital Archives web site. Good luck.

Re: Info on: Explosion in 1951 Seattle Shell in Scrap Metal

judyartley53 — 2007-07-21 15:56:46Z

The Seattle Time or Post Intelligencer newspapers would have story about it. Check your local library if they have microfilm of those newspapers or can get that microfilm from inter-library loan.

Another option is to check out www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx. They will do one hour of research for free and have access to all newspaper microfilm for the state.

Re: LUCHT, Carl

breadfan199 — 2008-03-24 16:31:31Z

Im currently doing a family tree onmy mothers side,Her name Gerdi Wahlen,,Her mothers name Gertrud Whalen(nee)Lucht,married Karl heinz Whalen.Her mother was Marie lucht,but whats interesting is i found this document beleived to be an inscription on headstones at Burg and Veers cemeteries;
Johannes LUCHT,b. 9/1/1879,d.7/25/1914
same stone is Marie LUCHT geb. WIESE, b.5/28/1877,d. 6/1/1963
same stone is Max LUCHT, b. 7/10/1909, d. 6/12/1942 Buchholz
My mother tells me my grandma(Gertrud Whalen)had a brother and sister,but her mum died when she was 12 so she says.
So im wondering if she is my great grandma or not.
I also have ties with;
Horst hubert haun
Dieter Niendieker
Uwe Haun
Herbart Gunther Haun
Phillip Stephan.
Maybe this info can help you

Re: I need help finding an area in Washington

tickerric1 — 2008-07-09 11:20:12Z

I was born and raised in Sumner, Washington, just at the bottom of the hill from Enumclaw. So the shipyards she was speaking of would either be in Seattle or Bremerton. My mother worked in the Seattle shipyards during the war.
Suzanne

John Norcross Bowen, New Jersey 1883

mhamaji — 2008-08-18 22:12:28Z

Looking for John Norcross Bowen, born June 4, 1883, in New Jersey. Family lore says he moved to Washington state where he worked in the newspaper business. He may have still been living there in 1940.

Pictures of People from Washington

welchkatrina — 2008-04-14 03:01:44Z

I have some pictures of people from Washington, My great aunt and uncle lived in centralia and federal way, I believe... these were from their box of pictures.
If you recognize anyone, let me know, I will mail them to you.
Katrina
gdy2shoes23@gmail.com

Z. Ora Scott and Elizabeth Jones Wedding announcement

welchkatrina — 2008-04-14 02:57:49Z

I have a copy of it... If you are a relative, let me know, I will mail it to you.

Pictures of students from Northwest Bible Institute in the 1930's

welchkatrina — 2008-04-14 02:54:47Z

I have several pictures of some women who went to Northwest Bible Institute in Washington. My great aunt graduated in 1938, and I believe these friends of hers probably graduated around the same time. Some of the portrait names are:
Elizabeth
Betty
Katie
Iva
And the picture of the graduating class of 1938.

If you think one of these people are your family, let me know, I will send it to you. If you want a copy of the picture of the graduating class, let me know, I will email it to you.
Thanks
Katrina
gdy2shoes23@gmail.com

Re: birth certificate for Ralph Thornton 1894

jotham55 — 2008-05-12 21:22:32Z

Tacoma City birth register lists Ralph P. Thornton, b. 15 May 1891 to Albert & Grace Thornton. Send your email address and I'll send you a copy of the register page.

Re: Washington state death index trouble

Dianepayne62 — 2008-05-27 05:01:35Z

Hi,
I use the Family Search Pilot at
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

Diane

Re: Washington Death Index prior to 1920-help needed

Dianepayne62 — 2008-06-26 04:39:58Z

Try the Family Search Pilot Project.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

There are two people listed by her name.

Diane Payne
dianepay@aol.com

Ellsworth/Elsworth

2004-08-31 05:09:16Z

I am looking for any information on Leone Georgia Ellsworth- Wheeler. She was born in Woonsocket , SD on August 11, 1907. Her Father was George S. or George D. (not sure of middle initial) Ellsworth or Elsworth. He was born in Minnesota abt. 1883. He married Alfreda (Freda) Johansson who immigrated from Sweden in 1902 or 1901. She was also born in 1883. They had five children, Leone being the oldest.
Robert ended up in California, Floyd in Pullyup, Washington,
Marguarete (Meg) Married a Weber and lived in Mitchell, SD then moved to Rapid City, SD to live with sister June--who Married a Nielsen. Leone's father George, died in 1918 of flu epidemic and her mother, Freda, died in 1921 in Mitchell of appendix operation. Somehow, Leone ended up in Boone, Iowa. There she met Loren Frank Wheeler, sone of Frank daniel Wheeler and Alice Maud Stanfield Wheeler. THey had three children, Delores, Loren Stanfield, and Robert DeLoss Wheeler. Loren S. is my father.
Who raised Leone and her siblings after her parents died?
Any information on any of these people would be helpful!
I know very little of this part of my family.....thank you

Nordin and Skjolstrup Families

2004-07-12 01:27:18Z

Looking for Nordin, Norden, or Nordeen family and Skjolstrup family.

New Here......Could use some help

2003-07-04 16:46:55Z

I am new here to this Genealogy website and i dont know where to go from here. The last people i have on my list are William Clifford Ward born March 6, 1889 In i believe Charleston, Illinois. Then i have Margaret May (Short) Ward who was born May 7, 1897. They were married June 15, 1915. They had 4 children. 3 girls, Clara Irene Ward, Marjorie Ellen Ward, Lorene Marie Ward and 1 boy Billy Monroe Ward. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Charlene Frances Hayden

2005-12-05 21:05:00Z

Looking for information regarding Charlene Frances Hayden. She was born in 1945, Panola Co., TX, to Charles Claude Hayden and Louretta Berdine Getzlaff.

Anderson family-in Seattle 1921? But then.....?

2002-07-09 17:16:52Z

Does anyone know about the swedish -american John Anderson family living at: 119 East Lake Ave in Seattle, in the year of 1921?
John with wife Elisabeth, and (then) two sons: Sigurd,7 and Hugo 4. They also got a daughter called Agnes and she must been born after 1921.
Elisabeth (= Elisa Christina Hanson) was born 1890 or1891 in the province of Jamtland and left for USA and Seattle in 1910 together with some friends. She was a cousin to my mother.They used to have contact with my grandmother all the years up around 1950...then the letters and cards stop coming.
Elisabeth met her husband in Seattle I guess. But he was also from Sweden, from the province Varmland. This I know from Ellis Island site of year 1921: as Elisabeth and her two sons was on a visit in Sweden;
They went to Jamtland for a period but also stayed in Varmland with his parents, I suppose, and then went back to USA via Oslo. In the documents from Ellis Island it says that her husband was John Anderson and with adress as above.
I wonder if there still are descentants to them or ??

Can somebody help me to know what happened to the family in USA after 1950 ??

MARR. DATE FOR WASH. STATE

2005-07-28 22:48:40Z

I am wanting the Marriage date for My Uncle Lowell Surber and Naomi Downs, It had to be in 1954 to 1956 some where in Washington, I am thinking Walla Walla Co, but I am not sure... Your help would be greatly Appreciated... Thank you...

Re: LYTLE

2006-04-04 20:56:08Z

I have many relatives that reside in Grays Harbor county (Hoquiam and Aberdeen). Let me know if you are still interested in this information

Re: Ernest Hind

Kitty_Oman — 2007-05-26 17:54:18Z

From The Columbian, Vancouver, WA, 6 June 1968

Juanita A. Hinds - age 68, June 5, 1968, at Vancouver, Wash.. born April 23, 1900, in Oklahoma. Lived at 2803 Ft. Vancouver Dr., Vancouver, a resident for many years. Several nieces. Friend Frank Bonnalie, Vancouver, Wash. Member of Presbyterian Church. Funeral services 10:30 a.m. Friday, June 7th at the Vancouver Funeral Chapel. The REv. LaVern F. Brassard will officiate. Vault interment Park Hill Cemetery. The Vancouver Funeral Chapel in charge of arrangements.

Also on June 6, 1968

Juanita A. Hinds died Wednesday in Vancouver at the age of 68.
Mrs. Hinds had lived in Vancouver for many years and made her home at 2803 Ft. Vancouver Dr. She wasa born in Oklahoma April 23, 1900. Mrs. Hinds was a member of the Presbyterian Church.
She is survived by a sister-in-law and several nieces.
The Rev. LaVern F. Brassard will officiate at the funeral services at 10:30 a.m. Friday at the Vancouver Funeral Chapel. Vault interment will be at Park Hill Cemetery.

Note the G. in Ernest G, Hinds name stands for Gretton.

Re: Ernest Hind

Kitty_Oman — 2007-05-26 02:42:21Z

Hi Brian,

From The Columbian, April 27, 1960, Vancouve, WA

Ernest G. Hinds - Age 71, April 24, 1960 at Vancouver, Wash. born Sept. 9, 1888 in Kansas, he had lived in Vancouver since 1847, residing at 804 West 25th St. Mr. Hinds, formerly of Los Angeles, Calif., was a retired printer of the Columbia River Paper Mill. He is survived by his widow, Mrs. Juanita A Hinds, Vancouver, daughter, Mrs. Marie Malone of Glendale, Calif., two grandchildren, and two nieces, Mrs. Aubrey Styvaret of Monterey and Mrs. Lona Donahue of Las Vegas, Nev. Mr. Hinds was a member of the Pulp and Sulphite Union, Local 171, Vancoouver, Wash. funeral Services will be held at 1:00 p.m. thursday, April 28th at the Vancouver funeral Chapel with Rev. John Phipps officiating. Vault interment will be at Park Hill Cemetery. The Vancouver Funeral Chapel is in charge of arrangements.

Ronne

Re: Marriage info

GLester8838 — 2007-07-11 00:28:16Z

Perhaps posting your uncle's name and particulars and whatever else you know about him would enable someone to help you? It's worth a try.

Re: Albans - Lincolnshire to Washington

GLester8838 — 2008-01-11 02:18:10Z

I'm not related to this family, but found some information that might be useful. It should be possible to trace the male children, at least. Try the Social Security Death Index or, if still living, there are several search engines to locate people.

Gloria
gclester at juno dot com

1920 Washington State, Skagit County.
Name: George Albans
[George Albano]
Home in 1920: Fir, Skagit, Washington
Age: 32 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Hazel
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1909

1930 Washington State, Whatcom County
Name: George Albano
Home in 1930: Marietta, Whatcom, Washington
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Hazel
Race: White

Household Members: Name Age
George Albano 41
Hazel Albano 34
Wilfred Albano 14
Earnest Albano 13
Gladys Albano 11
Annie Albano 10
Hazel Albano 9
Richard Albano 8

Washington Births 1907-1919

Name: Anne Lorraine Albans
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1919
Location: Skagit
Sex: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: George Henry Albans
Mother's Name: Hazel Beck

Name: Earnest Arthur Albans
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1916
Location: Skagit
Sex: Male
Race: White
Father's Name: George Henry Albans
Mother's Name: Hazel Abbott Beck

Name: Gladys Kisa Albans
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1916
Location: Skagit
Sex: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: George Henry Albans
Mother's Name: Hazel Beck

Name: Wilfred Lewis Albans
Birth Date: 20 Sep 1915
Location: Skagit
Sex: Male
Race: White
Father's Name: George H Albans
Mother's Name: Hazel A Beck

Social Security Death Index
Name: George Albans
SSN: 539-03-7286
Last Residence: 97206 Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Born: 26 Jul 1888
Died: Nov 1969
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951 )

Oregon Death Index
Name: Albans, George Hen
County: Multnomah
Death Date: 9 Nov 1969
Certificate: 17085
Age: 88
Spouse: Eliza

Washington Death Index 1940-1996
Name: Hazel A Albans
Date of Death: 5 May 1952
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Gender: Female
Certificate: 9542

Re: Obit for Vieno "Vee" Viola Nansen and Edward Nansen

GLester8838 — 2007-12-18 02:09:47Z

Wenatchee World, The (WA) - November 17, 2007
Deceased Name: Vieno Viola 'Vee' Nansen
Vieno Viola "Vee" Nansen, 97, of Moses Lake, died Thursday, Nov. 15, 2007, at LakeRidge Special Care Center.

She was a longtime resident of Almira and Electric City.

A funeral service will be held at 11 a.m. Monday at Grand Coulee Church of the Nazarene, Pastor Clifford Breese officiating. Interment will follow at Spring Canyon Cemetery in Grand Coulee. Visitation will be held from 10 to 10:45 a.m. Monday at the church. Arrangements are by Kayser's Chapel of Memories, Moses Lake.

Wenatchee World, The (WA)
Date: November 17, 2007
Page: 05A
Record Number: 711170018
Copyright 2007, The Wenatchee World, All Rights Reserved.

Spokesman-Review, The (Spokane, WA) - April 4, 1996
Deceased Name: Edward Nansen - Electric City, Wash.
Service for Edward N. Nansen, 84, will be at 11 a.m. today at Strate Funeral Home Chapel in Grand Coulee. Burial will follow at the Spring Canyon Cemetery at Grand Coulee.

Mr. Nansen, who was born in Almira, Wash., died Monday at Coulee Community Hospital Nursing Home.

He graduated from Eastern Washington University with a degree in mathematics and education.

He taught school in Hay and Washtucna, Wash., for two years and then worked at Grand Coulee Dam in the finance division and as a lecturer at the Vista Center.

In 1948 he returned to Almira and operated the family farm until 1978.

Mr. Nansen married Vieno Pontinen in Coeur d'Alene in 1942.

He served in the Army during World War II and was a member of the American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, Highland Grange, Wilbur Gem and Mineral Club, and the Grand Coulee Senior Citizens.

Survivors include his wife at home, and one brother, Marion Nansen of Almira.

Memorial contributions may be made to the Grand Coulee Seniors or the Coulee Community Hospital Foundation.

Spokesman-Review, The (Spokane, WA)
Date: April 4, 1996
Edition: SPOKANE
Page: B2
Record Number: 9604040231
Copyright (c) 1996 The Spokesman-Review

Re: Ask State Archives for Peter Currie

GLester8838 — 2007-11-29 03:01:38Z

A little more on Peter Currie; the Wash. State Digital Archives has the 1892 Wahkiakum Co. census page and there is a Peter Currie there, age 29, born Canada, single. Wahkiakum is just west of Cowlitz Co.

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx

Haven't been able to find Peter in the 1900 census, though.

Ask State Archives for Peter Currie

GLester8838 — 2007-11-29 00:37:23Z

Since the State did not start collecting death certificates until 1907, if there was one, it would be with the county of death. A lot of early records have been sent to the Wash. State Archives. Try contacting the Archives branch which has Cowlitz Co. records. Below is the link and you can send them an e-mail asking for their help. Be sure to give them all the information you have and they will see if they can find anything. I have had good luck with some of the Archive branches and you might get lucky. If not, it doesn't hurt to ask.

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/archives/archives_southwest.aspx

Out of curiosity, how do you know the date and place of Peter's death?

Re: family albums; names in message

kimchely — 2007-12-07 11:59:48Z

Any help would be appreaciated. Have you looked at my family tree posted here on ancestry?

Re: Cornelia Gurthrie

ClintCrocker75 — 2007-04-25 19:04:46Z

Tammy:

I am at the Seattle Public Library and have found your obit.

if you send me an address I will mail the obit

Re: Obit for George William Rawson

ClintCrocker75 — 2007-04-24 17:37:15Z

I looked this morning. ck'd both the Seattle times and the Seattle PI through Feb 18 and did not find an obit. Sorry.

Re: Obituray Look Up

ClintCrocker75 — 2007-04-24 17:29:37Z

I have a copy of your obituary. send me an address and I will mail it. g.c.crocker@msn.com

Re: lorenzo p.tuff

darnison — 2007-09-19 14:46:22Z

Concerning Lorenzo Parsons Tuff & Olivia Caroline Pratt:

There is a contribution by his granddaughter Alberta Chamberlin in the local history book "Sons of wind and soil," published by the Nobleford, Monarch (Alberta) History Book Club, 1976. This is available to view and search online through Our Heritage, Our Past: the Alberta Heritage Digitization Project (in the category of Local and Alberta Histories Collection) at http://www.ourfutureourpast.ca/index.html.

Children's names mentioned: Esther, Viveann, Joseph, Marjorie, Wray, Cecil, Clarence.

Apparently when Lorenzo died, the younger children returned to Calgary, Alberta, to live with oldest sister Esther.

I hope there are some clues there for you.

Direct link is http://www.ourfutureourpast.ca/loc_hist/page.aspx?id=548258

Re: Peter Currie

Barbara_Ratcliff — 2007-11-29 21:39:02Z

Was Peter Currie's wife a daughter of Andrew McKay? If so, I can refer you to some information on the internet re his death.

Re: GREENWOOD; PLASTER

betchen — 2007-07-22 20:55:25Z

Yes, I still want any information for Plaster. I have not
been able to read the reply.

Re: Frazier/Baxter/Hargis

SylviaMaeSmith — 2007-10-22 04:08:34Z

Joshua, have you gotten anywhere? I'm willing to walk you through this if you like.

Your grandparents, are they Tom Hargis and Lucy Baxter? Were they born in Washington? We could start with the 1930 census. I'm guessing they were born around 1920?

Just let me know if you still need help. Sylvia

Re: Frazier/Baxter/Hargis

SylviaMaeSmith — 2007-10-22 04:08:25Z

Re: Woodrow E Wilson and Mary

SylviaMaeSmith — 2007-10-21 22:58:12Z

Do you still need help?

Irondale, WA

jane_graettinger — 2003-04-12 21:19:53Z

can anyone tell me if there is, or ever was, an Irondale in Washington? I have an ancestor that supposedly died in Irondale Washington circa 1917. If you could respond directly to janegraettinger@sbcglobal.net I would really appreciate it.
thanks

Re: Oldfield/Whited

gwc3451 — 2007-09-16 02:03:08Z

I've contacted Shirley. She would like you to contact her @ sureold@comcast.net
I believe she lives in Roseburg Oregon

Re: Oldfield/Whited

gwc3451 — 2007-09-13 01:55:29Z

Iva Whited was my aunt. Are you in touch with Shirley Oldfield? I have given her info on Whited line

Re: Looking for a relative.

RBestrom7380 — 2007-09-11 22:13:46Z

Re: the first wife and children... That is additional information that would have helped. Do you have a location where they lived? Birth dates? Places of birth?

I just received the obituary on Martin O. Knudson. It is obviously the wrong person. But, that was a good find that you made in the Death Index.

Posted in the Everett Herald on Wed, October 10, 1962, page 32

Martin O. Knudson
Martin O. Knudson, 70, 7911 Grant drive, Everett, died Tuesday. He is survived by his widow, Gertrude; two daughters, Mrs. Cecil Campbell of Seattle and Mrs. S.J. Knudsen of Missoula, Montana; two sons, Darrell Knudson of Richardson, North Dakota, and Winslow Knudson of Canyonville, Oregon; three brothers, Delphin of North Hollywood, California; Arthur of Rice Lake, Wisconsin and George Knudson of Minneapolis, Minnesota; two sisters, Martha Max of Farewell, Minnesota and Alma Arneson of Pelican Rapids, Minnesota; and 17 grandchildren. Mr. Knudson was a member of th Liberty Lodge 40, F&AM of Enderlin, North Dakota, and of the Order of Railway Telegraphers. Funeral services will be Friday at 1 p.m. in Phinney Ridge Lutheran Church, Seattle, under the direction of Green Lake Funeral Home. Burial will be in the Pacific Lutheran Cemetery, Seattle.

I will have to go to Seattle in the upcoming future (next few days/next week). I will look in the Spokane city directories. Do you have ANY other information that might help?

Re: Looking for a relative.

RBestrom7380 — 2007-09-10 18:55:13Z

No response yet. Sometimes takes a couple of weeks.

I look for these new names.

Re: Sydney Lawrence Lilywhite

RBestrom7380 — 2007-09-05 04:02:49Z

Ann,
Since you're in another country, and I always say, never pay for genealogy help. Try the volunteers here in the Chelan County area:
"http://www.raogk.com/washingt.htm"

Ron

Re: Sydney Lawrence Lilywhite

RBestrom7380 — 2007-09-03 19:04:17Z

Go to "http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/default.aspx"

Input last name of Lillywhite. Under Naturalization is the record info of Jessie and Sydney. The image is not available online, but you could order it.

The death records show Jan(et), Sydney and a "Lenore", born March 8, 1920. Died March 1986 in Kent, WA.

I've sent you the images of Sydney's entry into the US (2 images) and his World War I Draft Registration Card.

Re: Looking for a relative.

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-31 21:23:41Z

> Found the record I mentioned. Go to VitalSearch State
> Death Search:
> "http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/wa/_vitals/wade960-64m.htm"
> At the bottom, enter soundex number 00926-00. On the
> record, look for Martin Knudson. Wondering if this is
> Knut. Am I totally lost?

No, that was an excellent find. It also shows the Washington Death Index on Ancestry.com is not reliable or complete. I checked several names and couldn't find them.

I just received a return on my inquiry at Ask A librarian for Knut Knutsen, death in 1954:
Knutsen-Knute. Age 63, Winslow, Husband of Fina, father of Mrs. Anna M. Lundin, Winslow, Brother of Samuel Knutsen. Funderal services Tuesday, 2 p.m. Bainbridge Funeral Home, Winslow
So NOT the right one.

I sent another request to Ask-A-Librarian for the person you found, my inquiry as follows:
Looking for an obituary of Martin Knudson, the Washington Death Index 1960-1964 identifies him as death in Seattle, place of residence in Everett. Death Date October 8, 1962, at age 70.
I'll advise when I get any information.

I'll do some looking for additional later.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Obit for Sheila Gossilin- Manson area

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-28 21:52:48Z

Found no one with that name. I checked the Chelan County Recorder and found her name to be spelled: Sheila R. GossElin. She was married to Ernest H. J. Gosselin.

Manson is a small town of 3,178 persons. It does have an online newspaper: "http://mansontribune.com/"
But, no obituaries published online. It has a "Contact" link, perhaps a phone call might identify an obituary was published in the hard copy version, and they might send it to you.

Other local newspaper:
"http://www.lakechelanonlinenews.com/"
"http://www.lakechelanmirror.com/index.php"

Re: Sydney Lawrence Lilywhite

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-31 01:12:50Z

What information are you seeking? Old history, or obituaries?

Sydney immigrated in June 1913 via Marcus, Washington. He was, 29, a gardener, traveling with a Charles William Airey, age 27. Sydney was from Chichester, his father James Lillywhite. Charles was from Penrith, England, his father David. Both enroute to Omak. Charles was enroute to his brother Thomas H. Airey in Omak. Sydney to his friend Thomas H. Airey. Sydney was 5 foot 7 1/2. Medium complexion, black hair, blue eyes. He had a scar on the side of his left eye. Both had landed in Quebec from England (typical crossing).

The World War One Draft Registration Card images show Sydney living at 3041 6th St, Seattle when he registered on Sep 12, 1918. He was married to Jessie Wright Lillywhite. He was born in Chichester, England on Sept 20, 1885.

1930 census-shows Sydney born in England, Jan in Scotland, immigration 1913, 1914, respectively. Children not shown in the 1930 census, which is a major question on why, or where were they.

Washington Birth Index shows Ada born on 9 August 1916, Sydney Margaret on 31 August 1919. Ada born in Okanogan to Sydney L Lillywhite and Jessie W. Falconer. Sydney in Seattle to Syd Lawrence Lillywhite and Janet W. Falconer. Were Jessie and Janet sisters or the same person with different names being used? I did no research into that , as you might already have it.

The 1920 census has Sydney and Jan W, in Seattle, both shown as immigrated in 1913. Sydney M is shown as being 4/10. Ada is not shown, again why?

Washington Death Index.
Sydney L. Lillywhite (2 "l's as shown), born about 1885, died on 22 April 1979. His Social Security Number 536-05-0750. His place of death was listed as Omak, his residence was listed as Omak.
Jan Lillywhite, born about 1887, died on 22 Oct 1980. Her Place of Death and Residence was identified as Okanogan. Her SSN was 536-05-0750...a duplication of the same number as Sydney, so one is wrong.

The Social Security Death Index:
Sidney (as spelled) Lillywhite, born 20 Sep 1884, SSN as identified above.
Jan Lillywhite, was born on 9 Jan 1890, SSN was 539-10-7261.

You can order their applications for their SSN's. It would identify where they were born, their parents, where they lived upon application, etc. This is good information if you don't know it already.

With the above death dates, try:
"http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx" A free service of the WA State Library. They look for an hour and send the results.

But, what you need is a local person to obtain an obituary, look up local records, try:
"http://www.rootsweb.com/~waokanog/okanogan.htm"

Volunteers:
(Set to show Okanogan County):
http://www.raogk.com/washingt3.htm

You will also need a volunteer to check offline microfilm of the Washington Death Index for the two children (and Jessie?). The WA Death Index on Ancestry is not reliable, or complete for that matter.

Re: Looking for a relative.

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-25 20:34:40Z

> I already have that information.

You might have it, but I and other researchers didn't. I've been doing genealogy for a LONG time and have found hundreds of lost family. In order to find them, we MUST have the info on when/where born, family members, visits, names used, etc. to find them. He "might" have been using the last name/farm name from the 1915 visit in Canada. If Ragnvald came to the US, he just might have visited his brother. We might find Knut, by finding Ragnvald in the US. ALL factors must be known to the researcher. NOW, knowing that he had possibly lived in ND, MT, a research there would be conducted. Moose Jaw, Canada is NOW also a research area. Until I found the 1915 visit, I would not have know to look there.

> He seems to have traveled with a childhood friend back to visit...

Who is the friend? Finding the friend might help find Knut. The friend's name could also verify any Knut Knutsen found in the Seattle City directories or in an obit. I can guarantee that there will be more than one Knut Knutsen found in the directories. IF the friend is also found living in the same residence that would help. If an obituary is found for a Knut, the name of the friend being in the same obituary would help.

I have learned you MUST know everything about a person that is known in the country where the search starts, before you can cross the ocean to find them. This works the same way when someone here has a family member and they are trying to find their family back in Norway. You MUST start with known information.

Is there anything else as far as his visits back would help? Any photographs of him? The photo might have information written on the back...such as "here I am at my home in Fargo, North Dakota". ANYTHING helps. Have you posted an inquiry in Moose Jaw or Saskatcheon?

> Found a record about a Knut Knutson who served during WW1. Draft record from ND.

The WW1 Draft Registration card images are not proof of any service. This was just a registration of those men that were eligible to be drafted. I have access to those cards and the actual images. I looked at 33 men whose names begin with "Knu" and last name of "Knu" (Knutsen, Knudtsen, Knudson/sen...etc). None had the criteria for your person. I strongly suspect that if he returned to Moose Jaw in 1915, he probably was there during the war. The USA didn't enter until 1917. Canada entered on August 4, 1914, along with the rest of the British Empire. So, his trip to Norway in 1915 was during WW1, and during Canada's participation. Could he have gone to Norway to change his name to avoid a Canadian draft?

I will also do checking to try to find the ship manifest for Ragnvald for 1928. Did he travel to the USA in other years? Did any of the other family members travel to the USA?

Ron Bestrom

Re: Looking for a relative.

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-25 05:10:17Z

From your 1900 Census link for Norway, I was able to find his birth record. He was a twin. Numbers 22 and 23.
Permanent pagelink:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8283&i...

Here is his emigration. He was enroute to Alberta, Canada leaving on February 17, 1911.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
He was using his patronymic with farm name. I did a search for all Fauskanger and found a few, but nothing identifiable to him.

He came back in 1915 also:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
He was in Moose Jaw, Saskatcheon.

Is this hs brother Ragnvald?
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
He was enroute to New York, a farmer, departed August 29, 1928.

Again today I find the Knut Knutson death 1954 in Seattle. I requested an obituary search via the Ask-a-librarian system. Based on your data, it is probably not him; but his obit could verify.

Now, this does not identify him in the US or Canada, but it adds to the info.

The next thing would be attempting the city directories.

Re: Kenneth June ALDERSON

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-22 06:37:45Z

The 1910 Census for Red Lodge Ward 1, Carbon County, MT
Walter Alderson? (Alderson as transcribed could be sEn), age 47, born in Illinois to father born in England, mother in Illinois. married 12 years.
Anna, wife, age 28, born in Missouri to father born in Washington, mother in Germany, mother of 3, 3 living.
L? daughter age 8, born in Montana
John, 5, born in Montana.
June, age appears to be 4, but more ink than normal. The normal practice of small children was to include the age in months over 12, i.e. 1 3/12. Also, to note, the ages were often wrong as enumerated. Having said that, just keep this information as a remote possibility, as there is no proof this is the correct person.

Your posting indicates this person was the spouse of Jean Paulson. The researcher has no way of knowing what connection or information you might have on Jean, or to this Kenneth June Alderson. Without such identification, I can only ask questions and offer suggestions:

Identify Jean Paulson, not necessarily to this message board, but to your own research records. Identify her date of birth, date of death, parents, where she lived, where she might have married this person. Then if there is consistant location for her, look for marriage in that area and obtain the data. If she was from a small town...Montana is a small town to itself, look for newspaper articles.

As far as Kenneth. First question. Why are you posting in Washington State? Did you mean to post in the Washington, District Columbia? I did find a Kenneth Alderson, born in Amsterdam, Virginia, in 1909, in the 1910 and 1920 Federal Census. But, he appears to have died in Virginia.

Second question: You identified his birth as May 3, 1909. Was this from the US Veterans Gravesites information?

Third question: How do you connect this person to Jean, or your family?

If this Ken in the Golden Gate Nat'l Cemetery is your family. Contact the Golden Gate Nat'l Cemetery for information.
http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/cems/nchp/goldengate.asp

You might have to try to obtain Ken's military records. Since he enlisted in May 1942, he "might" have been a war related death, or had stayed in the military to 1949. No speculation is necessary, try to obtain whatever records are available on him:
NARA: Requesting Military Service Records or Prove of Service:
http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/ge...

Others:
Searchable Military Records and Databases:
http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/military.html
Military Indexes and Records
http://www.militaryindexes.com/
A "Buddy Finder"
http://www.military.com/

Ron Bestrom

Re: Nils Jonsson born 1893

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-18 19:53:56Z

I have looked for any Nils, Nels, Niels, Jonsson, Johnson. I have not found any that have the right criteria.

There was a "Nels O. Johnson, died 26 June 1965 in Bellingham, WA, found on the Washington Death Index.

The 1930 Census for Ryderwood, Cowlitz county, Washington, showed a Nels Anton Johnson, age 36, born in Sweden, immigrated 1927, a bucker in logging (moves logs around).

I looked through the World War I Draft registration card image database. There were a number of Jonsson/Johnson born in Sweden and in 1893, but not the correct person.

The New York passenger arrivals had two "N. Jonsson" arrivals. One on 22 June 1922, the other on 8 Dec 1918. Both born about 1895. The 1918 was a Seaman, Nels Jonsson, signed on the vessel in New York. The 1922 was "N. Jonsson", age 27, a seaman, discharged from duty from the vessel.

The Social Security Death Index that identified who you believe to be "your" Nils, did not show a death location, so it is almost impossible to look for him in directories. Also, he is not found in the Washington State Death Index, so he may have died somewhere else. Again, I would suggest that you obtain the application form for this persons Social Security Number. That would fully identify his name, date of birth, parents and where he was born. If this is not him, that would tell you. If it is him, you would have a document with his handwriting.

Again, you need to do additional research in Sweden. Ask ANY family member about him that would know of him, or stories, etc. Try to find his emigration date and any papers that he filed. Sometimes emigrants leave to go to family members already in the "new world". I have found people in that way. If you can find a place that he lived, that would narrow the search.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Nils Jonsson born 1893

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-13 07:48:08Z

Erika,
Hello from the Tacoma/Puyallup area of Washington State. My Great-grandfather came from Sweden. I've been doing genealogy for about 30 years...only in writing down my family information. I've been doing "serious" research for the last 15-20 years.

Your great uncle Nils Jonsson did have the record in the Social Security Death Index as identified...or someone having the same name and birth date. The Social Security Number "535" would have been issued in Washington State. My own starts with "534". When someone applies for a Social Security Number (SSN), they fill out a form for the Social Security Administration (SSA), the Form SS-5. The original was microfilmed and is available to purchase from the SSA. You can obtain an exact copy of the form filled out, or just a computer printout of the same information. Most people purchase the actual image, as it was filled out in the persons own handwriting. This form will show their name, their parents, where they were born, where they were living when they filled out the form and their type of employment. The BIG thing here is where they were living. If you go to:
"http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/fto_ssdisearch.html?Wel..." It will tell you how to order it. I do realize that you are in Sweden, if you have family or other persons in the USA to order it, it might be easier, but they do send the info to other countries.

The big problem in this research for your Nils Jonsson is his name. I looked at various genealogy research sites and could not find him, such as the US Federal Census. If he came to the USA after 1930, he would not be in the census. So, we can't find where he lived. His name in the USA "could" have been Nils Johnson/Johanson/Johansson, etc., he might have only used the name of Nils Jonsson on his Social Security form when he just came to the USA.

Do you have his date of emigration from Sweden? If it was after 1930, again, he won't be in the census. Was he married before leaving? Or, do you know of the name of a wife?

What I tell everyone...you MUST find out everything about a person in their own country first, before trying to cross the sea. So, does anyone in your family have information? Ask ANYONE that might be alive what they knew of him, a name of a city where he lived, a wife or friends. Does anyone have any pictures of him that might show where he lived. Any old address books. What did he do? If he was a sailor, he would not be living in Eastern Washington. If he was a farmer, what kind?

His father was Jonas Danielsson. Was the naming practice of Patronymics still in effect when and where he was born? If so, could he have been using the name of "Jonasson" instead? If he lived on a farm, what was the farm name? A lot of people took the farm name or parish name as their "surname" here in the USA.

Please repost if you have additional information on him.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Birth Look-up, Bellingham Washington

RBestrom7380 — 2007-07-17 05:35:33Z

Renee,

I will give you sources for information that I find so you can find them. (Someone just indicating they have found something is not a credible source).

The British Columbia archives:
"http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-2C2D734/gbsearch/Death..."
(click on "All Genealogy Indexes"...input the surname of Stull)

You will see the marriage of Bernard Romanus Stull to Minnie Almina Saxsmith on January 16, 1915 in Chilliwack. There is a copy available to order via this site.

You will also see the death data previously identified of a Bernard Edward Stull in Vancouver on August 4, 1958, age 65, (born circa 1893) in Vancouver...BUT, this name does not match that of the person married to Minnie in 1915...unless you have data that indicates this is the same person.

As you probably have noted, British Columbia is close to Bellingham, Whatcom County, so it would be an easy trip back and forth. Bellevue, ("Belleview as you noted, is in King County, a bit further south).

Whatcom county rootsweb site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wawhatco/index.htm has a vital records link. The birth records that you would need "could" be ordered through the Washington State offices in Olympia, WA. That should further help you find where to contact. BUT, before you contact them, pay the $17.00 for a certified copy, try posting on the Whatcom County Message Board:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was...
Or join and post on the mailing list:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/WA/whatcom.html

But...before you do. Your post did not identify a lot of information that you may have on this family that would aid any researcher/volunteer to help you. You are looking for birth info on these two girls and have the names of the parents. What additional information do you have on these two girls. Did they suddenly grow up under an adopted parent/grandparent? Where did they grow up, and with whom? do find a "Katherine Stull" born in Washington in the 1920 census in Webster, Sumter Co, Florida, living as granddaughter to an Albert Bailey. Otherwise, I would suspect that she grew up in Canada ? What is the story on these two ? I did search the 1901 and 1911 Canadian census, without success for their parents. What additional information do you have on their parents?

Ron Bestrom

Re: Frazier/Baxter/Hargis

RBestrom7380 — 2007-07-30 01:08:18Z

Joshua,
You have thrown a lot of names into a short paragraph that give a lot of questions to a reader. The connections don't really make sense.

You need to sit and write down on paper, or a family tree to identify your family, starting with you and any siblings. Write down the date and place of birth. Then identify your parents, writing down their date and place of births and their siblings. Then go back one more generation and write down your grandparents with all their information.

Next, you need to talk to any current living family members about their family. Ask your mother or father what they know about the family and write down this information. Ask any living grandparent, or great-grandparent what they know about the family.

THEN, go onto Rootsweb and just identify one portion of the family that you are seeking information.

Genealogy takes a lot of time and CAREFUL documentation, a lot of questions to family, and a lot of enjoyment.

Re: Erik P. Bergkvist and Anna Bergkvist im. 1906

RBestrom7380 — 2007-07-29 04:46:51Z

Information concerning your tree that includes Howard Albert O'Berg. This responds to a post on the Rootsweb:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was...

The 1920 Census for Gilman, King County, Washington
Eric Bergquist, age 37 born in Sweden, immigrated 1906, logger
living with Carlo Larson, age 36, born 1907 in Sweden, logger.
The name Bergkvist would have been "Americanized" (Angelicanized) to Bergquist. The name of Eric/Erich/Erick/Erik is often misspelled by those taking the census information (enumerators). This person matches in age, year of immigration, place of emigration (Sweden). BUT, due to the name being so common, there is not enough proof to confirm this is the correct person.

The 1930 census for Holly, Kitsap County, Washington
Eric Bergquist, age 48 born in Sweden, immigrated in 1906, Bucker in logging industry. He was living as a boarder with other loggers in the residence owned by an Andy Cooper (also a logger) and his wife Henrietta.
Again, this appears to have connection, but not enough to prove.

This will help:
The World War I Draft Registration Card images shows an Eric Bergquist born May 6th 1882 in Sweden. He was a laborer with Dickey and Miley in Darrington, Snohomish County, WA. His nearest relative was Anna Oberg living at 2530 2nd Avenue West, Seattle. He was Medium in height, medium in build, blue eyes, light hair and bald.

The 1910 Census for Seattle, King County, WA
Albert Oberg, age 28, born in Sweden, immigrated in 1900? (overwritten), building carpenter, living at 1907 6th West (renting). Married 1 month.
Anna, age 22, born in Sweden, immigrated in 1906.

The World War I Draft Registration Card Images: Albert Oberg , born August 18, 1881, living at 2530 2nd West, Seattle, WA. Wife was an Anna Oberg.

The 1920 Census for Seattle, King County, WA
Albert Obert, age 35, born in Sweden, house carpenter
H. Anna (Sometimes the enumerator put the initial before the first name).
Halvard, son, age 6 (born circa 1913/1914)

The 1930 Census for Seattle, King Co, WA
Albert Oberg, age 48, Widower, born in Sweden, building carpenter.
Howard, son, age 16
Vera B, daughter, age 8

The Washington Death Index:
Albert Oberg, born about 1881, ded on 18 Dec 1944 in Seattle.

The Washington Birth Index:
Albert Howard Oberg born 12 May 1913, son of Albert Oberg and Anna Lindquist. So, this "Lindquist" could be accurate, or a misunderstanding by the person recording the birth. Because this Anna appears to be the nearest relative of an Eric Bergquist...and the name ends in "quist". It appears that an error in the birth record appeared. I'm presenting this to you for future elimination of these persons or backed by additional proof.

I find family tree data for a Howard Albert O'Berg born 12 May 1913 in Washington, died 18 July 1989 at the Veterans Hospital in Salisbury, Rowan County, North Carolina. His residence was in Charlotte, Mecklenburg, NC. He was married to Nell Y. York, 1900 to 2000. You can contact the tree holder at Misticat57@yahoo.com. I will include this information in an email to her.

The North Carolina Death Collection shows Howard Albert Oberg, born 12 May 1913, died 18 July 1989 in Salisbury, Rowan Co, NC, at age 76. He lived in Charlotte, Mecklenburg Co, NC. He was born in WA.

Back to Eric. The British Columbia database: http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-225B3B2/gbsearch/Death...
Click on "All Genealogy Indexes" on the left.
It shows an Eric Bergquist marriage in Vancouver on October 3, 1924, to a Sylvia Kay.
It also has an Eric Bergquist, death at age 67 in New Westminster on Nov 9, 1949. This area in British Columbia is near enough to Seattle to be a possibility. Also given that there were very few having the same name.

British Columbia Genealogy Websites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~websites/international/canada.html#...

Message Boards: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.british...

Re: Descendants from Tore Betten (from Norway) in Seattle

RBestrom7380 — 2007-07-29 04:44:50Z

First, I'd recommend trying the Norway List: http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/NorwayList.htm
It identifies how to subscribe to the mailing list that we enjoy.
We are a group of hundreds of Norwegians and descendents around the world. This "family" helps find lost families around the world and the original families back in Norway. List topics also include food, travel, genealogy information, Norwegian farm and patronymic names, you name it.

Since you didn't identify a full birth date, I also had to look for him in the 1900 census, also to see which Fylke (county) had the Halse parish where he was born. It was Møre og Romsdal. Here is the same info, but via the Digitalarkivet:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

I found his birth in the scanned churchbooks
Permanent sidelenke:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6393&i...
See #16, He was born on 18 November and baptised on 30 December. His birth name was "Thore". "Tore" is just another way of spelling it/Thor/Tor. His father was Johannes Johansen, his mother Gunhild Thomasdatter. These names are of the patronymic system that was still mostly in effect in Norway to the 1900's. So, he would have been Thore Johannessen/Johansen...changed mostly to Johnson in the USA.
If you are not familar with that, here are two of the major sites for learning about Patronymics and farm names:
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/index.html The home page:
> ---Go to and click on "My Articles", You will see 12 articles on getting
> started, Naming Practices, farm names, etc.
>
> http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/jborgose.htm This resource is also
> excellent for learning about Norwegian names, farm names, the added Nordic
> Characters-their other vowels in the Norwegian language ø æ å.
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/index.html Another site with learning
> information.

The churchbook for emigration after 1898 is not available on line (through the same site as his birth records). They are still in the process of scanning; but there may not be a record.

I started looking for his emigration via:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismen...
If you will note, these records of emigration only go as late as 1930.

I found a possible relative, at least someone that lived on the same farm. He was Iver O. Betten (probably O. for Olsen), age 24, last name Betten, born in Halse, enroute to Seattle, WA. He departed on 2 April 1887:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

Here is Thore's sister Gunhild's emigration in 1909:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
You can see she is traveling with several others going to the State of Washington.
Well, I "thought" it was his sister... I found her arrival in Boston in April 1909 on the Ivernia. She was from Halse, but her nearest relatives were "parents Jens Betten". The father of Thore's sister was Johannes/Johan. I am sending the original manifest. She was enroute to Tacoma, WA. Her place of birth "Sweden" is easily explained, at that time Sweden was the government head of Norway. On page 2 of the manifest, she is enroute to a friend, "Olena Sholsoik, 920 E? ?ouneson? Street, Tacoma, WA
Now, I find "Gunhild Jensdatter Betten" born 18 Feb 1888 on Jenstu Nedre-Betna, Halsa, Møre og Romsdal. Her parents were identified as Jens Olsen Betten and Anne Andersdatter. She died 15 Sep 1960 in Tacoma. She was married to Ole Sverkesen Romundstad on 30 Oct 1909.
Here she is in 1900: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
This person, probably is NOT sister to Thore, as it appears she was born in 1888, not 1892 as was the sister. Her parents are also wrong. I will leave this data here for your future elimination of her as a possible sister.

I also find a Thore Olsen Betten, born 1886, emigrated 1905 via Kristiansund. http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

His name is Thore and Betten, but his age is 2 years to young. His "middle" name is Olsen, indicating he is the "probably" the son of Ole. But, he is someone to identify for later permanent elimination or further research. But, he "Could" be a brother to the above Gunhild. I also find no other Thore/Tore/etc in this area, in a close age group. I am looking at both a Thore emigration in 1905 and Gunhild in 1906, both being Olsen.

I did search the US Census for any Betten born in Norway, any Tor*/Thor* where * as a wildcard would identify Tore/Tora/Etc, Thor/Thore/Etc. Without success. I did the same with the digitalarkivet for emigration. So, he came as a different name, after 1930, did not go to the USA but to Canada, or not at all. At this time, it is impossible to know without more information from you.

So, now I ask, could this be the brother and sister of your family; but, someone identified the wrong parental group in Norway in the 1900 census? This happens A LOT due to the patronymics. People find family that have the same children and about the same years of birth and connect.

So... Please post what information that you have as far as known date of births, marriages, date of deaths, for your G-Grandmother; and whatever information you have on her brother. (Information in the USA). You may have significantly more information that confirms the family in Norway, but I/we have to start from scratch in the USA without that information.

Here is a website that identifies information that really helps search for Norwegian families:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/good-queries.htm

Ron Bestrom

Re: HARRY AND HELEN PATNODE - TACOMA WASHINGTON

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-01 06:57:33Z

For some reason the previous two answers have disappeared.

The obits were found.

Re: William Columbus Turner

RBestrom7380 — 2007-08-01 06:43:26Z

I'd have to say that Judy did a good job finding this information based on what you presented. I could not find the family in the 1900 census...a critical aspect.

You need to identify what you know about this mysterious William Columbus Turner. As far as his birth location and date, we can not speculate on when or where he might have been born. If you have information, present it.

Re: Munson

RBestrom7380 — 2007-07-30 20:17:11Z

I am NOT related. I searched only for the last identified family as the other postings are old. It "might" be connected to the family in Stevens County.

The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) finds a Clifford L. Munson, born 22 Sep 1911, and died on 15 Nov 2002. His "last residence" was in Kalispell, Flathead County, Montana. (The "last residence" on the SSDI is not necessarily where the person actually lived, but where the final payment, usually the death payment was issued). His Social Security Number (SSN) 531-18-2586 was issued in Washington State before 1951.
--The Great Falls Tribune, on November 19, 2002, had the following:
OTHER STATE DEATHS
Kalispell - Vera (Hetzel) Milner, 97 Clifford Loren Munson, 91 Mark W. Knapton, 51.
Section: Montana
Page: 2M

Index Terms: Obituaries; Death; Funerals
Dateline: Montana
Copyright (c) Great Falls Tribune. All rights reserved. Reproduced with the permission of Gannett Co., Inc. by NewsBank, inc.

The World War I Draft Registration Card Images shows William Edgar Munson, born July 13, 1887 in Gatersville, Texas. (The year of birth is occasionally wrong on these cards). He was a farmer on his own farm. He had a wife and 4 children. He was living in the Orin, Washington area. I have saved a copy of the image and can send directly, you'll need to either identify your email address on Rootsweb, or email me (just click on my name in this posting).

The 1920 Census for Reidel, Stevens County, WA
Edger Munson, age 32, born (circa 1888) in Texas to a father born in Michigan, mother in Texas, a farmer.
Bertha, age 27, born (circa 1892/1893) in Missouri to both parents born in Missouri
Clifford, age 8 (born circa 1911/1912)
Allen, 6 (1913/1914)
Elmer, 5 (1914/1915)
Alice, 3 0/12), born January 1917/late December 1916 (Census enumerated 14/15 January 1920)
Willis, 10/12, born March 1919.

I can not find this family in the 1930 census. Living in Orin, they may have just been missed.

The SSDI shows:
Bertha Munson, SSN 539-50-5973, born 20 Sep 1883 (Bertha, mother of Clifford would have been born in 1893), died Oct 1969 in Colfax, WA. Probably NOT the same one, OR, the year of death is mistyped on the database...this happens frequently. Her obit would prove/disprove her identity, or her application for her SSN.
An Elmer Munson, born 5 January 1915, died July 1987, "last residence" in Redding, Shasta County, California. His SSN was issued in WA before 1951. The California Death Index shows him as Elmer Pate Munson, his death as 21 July 1987, his mothers maiden name was Cole.
Allen L. Munson, born 29 July 1913, died 14 Sep 1993, "last residence" Everett, Shohomish County, WA. His SSN 539-01-2256. The Washington Death Index shows the same information.

The Washington Death Index shows an Edgar W. Munson, death on 9 August 1970 in Renton, Washington. His residence was in Seattle. Insufficient data to identify if this is the correct person.

The World War II Army Enlistment Records show Willis E. Munson, born 1919 in Washington, enlisted on 2 Oct 1944 at Fort Lewis, WA. He had 2 years of high school, was married and living in Snohomish County.
-- I find Willis E. Munson, age 88, at: 13767 W. Park Drive, Magalia, CA 95954. (Magalia is not far from Redding, Elmer Munson)

Re: Edward Koth 1887-1966 and Christina Bittner 1892-1964; somewhere in WA?

RBestrom7380 — 2008-01-05 04:34:06Z

The World War I Draft Registration Cards image database:
Edward Koth, born November 28, 1887 in McIntosh County, ND. He was a farmer, for himself. He supported a wife, 4 children and his father. He was medium in height, medium in build, gray eyes and brown hair. He registered on June 5th, 1917 (National registration day, parties and celebrations everywhere).
--Note. The year of birth in the WWI draft cards were often wrong by one year. Why, I don't know, but I often find them.
--There is also an Edward Koth, born 7 Oct 1881, living in Lincoln County, WA, among others.

The 1920 Census for Rosenthal, McIntosh County, North Dakota
Edward Koth (transcribed as Bath), age 33 1886/1887, born in ND to both parents born in Russia, but spoke German. A farmer owned his land
Christena, age 28 (1891/1892), bon in South Dakota to both parents born in Russia, but spoke German.
Alice, age 10 (circa 1909/1910)
Herbert, 8 (circa 1911/1912)
Ervin 6 (circa 1913/1914)
Loraine (as written), 3 4/12, circa Sep 1916
Ida 1/12, circa December 1919.
John Koth, age 63, widower, born in Bessa Russia, immigrated in 1887, naturalized in 1898.
-- Census was enumerated January 30/31, 1920. Loraine "could" have been born in September time frame of 1916. Ida in December 1919.
-- The "indicator" that John Koth was born in Russia but spoke German shows a "possibility" that he was Mennonite. There was a large number of German's that moved into Russia to escape religious persecution in Germany. Then, the Russians decided to persecute them by putting them into the Russian army, etc. So, a large amount of them emigrated to the mid-west of the United States during the late 1800's. I've done "some" research on other families having this history. But, that research is for later.

The 1930 Census for Rosenthal, McIntosh Co, ND
Edward Koth (transcribed as Eduert Kath), 42 (1887/1888), born in ND, to both parents born in Russia, farmer, owned his land
Christina, age 38 (1891/1892), born in North Dakota
Herbert, 18, ND (1911/1912)
Ervin, 16, ND (1913/1914)
Larens? 13, ND (1916/1917)
Ida 10, ND (1929/1930)
Luella (Lualla as transcribed) age unable to identify
John, father, age 73, Widower, born in Russia.
--census enumerated April 9.

The BLM Land Patent site for the Homestead Act, has John Koth in McIntosh Co, ND receiving land, if this is the above John, or not, is not known. But, it "could" be the source of the land owned by Edward. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/

The 1930 Census for Odessa, Lincoln County, WA
Nathianel Koth (as written), age 43, born in SD
Christina, age 37 (circa 1892/93), born in SD to both parents born in Russia
--So, is THIS the Christina that died in 1964?

The Social Security Death Index shows a Herbert Koth, born 5 June 1911, died June 1984 "last residence in Honolulu, HI. The "last residence" on the SSDI is not always where they lived, but where a final payment, usually the death benefit was sent.
--There is no listing for a Herbert Koth in Washington State; but the Death Index hardly shows ANYONE for that year.
--I do find a Herbert Koth, death in Honolulu, HI, married to a Murial Jean Manning, born 31 May 1923, died Honolulu, HI. But there is no further information or the name of the person identifying them.

For Ervin Koth. The WA Death Index shows an Ervin Koth, born about 1914, died 3 Mar 1989 in Renton (King Co), WA. Social Security Number 535-03-8225
--The SSDI shows Ervin Koth, same SSN, born 23 Aug 1913, died 3 Mar 1989, last residence in Kent, King County, WA.

Since your post didn't identify much information, if you even knew it, this is about all I can do now.

What now? Try to obtain an obit for the ones showing in Washington:
The Washington State Library has a free research program where they will look for information in the archives, in this case the newspaper microfilm for an event, such as an obituary. They will look up to an hour and send you the results. Contact them at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx . Depending on the amount of requests, it could take up to a couple of weeks.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Wihlborg

RBestrom7380 — 2007-12-04 19:16:31Z

I'm sorry...the obituary was posted February 8, 2004, in the Spokesman Review, Spokane newspaper.

Re: Wihlborg

RBestrom7380 — 2007-12-04 19:13:55Z

Hello to Sweden !

I see you are new to Genealogy, based on the small number of postings and all were on December 4. When you post an inquiry, try to identify as much information as you can, the name, date of birth (or approximate), parents, siblings, children, whatever would help the researcher. In this case, you had just enough to find this person. But, you might want to look at your other posts to see if there is enough.

I find the following obituary:
Harry Wihlborg
Spokane

No service will be held for Harry L. Wihlborg, 85, at this time. Hazen and Jaeger Funeral Home is in charge of the arrangements.

Mr. Wihlborg, who died Sunday, was a resident of Spokane for 45 years. He was born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and grew up in North Dakota.

He worked for the Great Northern and Burlington Northern railroads for nearly 40 years, retiring in 1979.

Mr. Wihlborg was a volunteer with Mended Hearts and the American Heart Association. He was involved with the Morse Telegraph Club and enjoyed golfing.

Survivors include his wife of 59 years, Shirley; four children, Chris DeChenne of Newport, Wash., Don Wihlborg of Corte Madera,, Calif., Jim Wihlborg of Spokane and Eileen Anglesey of Kennewick; a brother, James Wihlborg of Tujunga, Calif.; 12 grandchildren and four great-grandsons.

Memorial contributions may be made to Horizon Hospice.
------------
Shirley E. Wihlborg
2621 Garland Ave
Spokane, WA 99205
--James A is also listed at this address, born 1954

Ron Bestrom

Re: Kenneth June ALDERSON

RBestrom7380 — 2007-12-25 22:32:58Z

I took another look at this from my first answer:

The 1910 Census for Red Lodge Ward 1, Carbon County, MT
Walter Alderson? (Alderson as transcribed could be sEn), age 47, born in Illinois to father born in England, mother in Illinois. married 12 years.
Anna, wife, age 28, born in Missouri to father born in Washington, mother in Germany, mother of 3, 3 living.
L? daughter age 8, born in Montana
John, 5, born in Montana.
June, age appears to be 4, but more ink than normal.
--The 4/12 is actually 11/12. The census was enumerated the 16th day of April. So, I suspect this to be the family of Kenneth June.

The 1920 census for Red Lodge, Carbon County, Montana
Walter Alderson, 59, born in Illinois to father born in England, mother in Maine
Anna L, age 37, born in Missouri to father born in Germany, mother in Wisconsin
Louise, 17, born in Montana
John J, son 15, MT
June, son 10, MT
Katie Barofsky, sister, age 31, born in Nebraska, to father born in Germany, mother in Wisconsin, so she is sister to Anna..

The 1930 Census for Billings, Yellowstone County, Montana
Louise F. Alderson, age 27, single, born in Montana to father born in Illinois, mother in Missouri, public stenographer. Living in a boarding house as a lodger at 16 North 29th Street.
--The California death Index has Louise Florence Lewis/Louise Florence Alderson, born 5 June 1902 in Montana, mothers maiden name Barofsky. She died on 30 October 1958 in San Francisco. Her Social Security Number was shown as "0". She is not listed on the Social Security Death Index.

The California Death Index shows a Jack Jay Alderson, born 23 September 1904 in Montana, mothers maiden name Barofsky. He died on 4 May 1958 in San Francisco. His SSN was 557-05-2809. This is "probably" John, brother of Kenneth/June. You can obtain a copy of his original application for his SSN, form SS-5 through the Social Security Administration.

The California Death Index showed a Maxine F. Ehrlick, born 19 Oct 1912 in Montana, mothers maiden name Barofsky. She died on 19 January 1995. She was also known as Maxine f. Hammergren. Her SSN was 517-07-1113.
--The 1920 Census for Billings, Yellowstone County, MT
Haummergren, Fred A., born in Illinois to both parents born in Sweden
Florence, 27, born in Montana to father born in Germany, mother in Wisconsin
Eleanor, age 8
Maxine, age 7
Charlotte, age 3 11/12.
--The 1930 census showed the birth places the same for her parents. If Florence's maiden name was Barofsky, it "might" be just a coincidence or Florence and Anna could be related somehow.

After finding this, I see you had posted on Gen Forum and had already been given this information. So... I'll go back to my original suggestions and add:
1. Get his military records. He is buried in a National Cemetery. He probably wouldn't be buried there with just two weeks service.
2. Get his obituary and those of his brother, sister and mother. The mothers may have some information in it.

Re: Obit Request from the Tri-City Herald

RBestrom7380 — 2007-10-09 05:37:19Z

Try the Washington State Library service:
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx

Identify his name, date of death, place of death and possible obituary being published in the Tri-City Herald. They will look for it for an hour and send you any results.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Olleta Hasle born c1905 ND resided in Washington

RBestrom7380 — 2007-10-07 03:06:15Z

I can NOT believe this. I did some lengthy research and wrote up findings as identified, but I had a momentary loss of electricity and POOF, it was gone…so now I'll have to start all over…

First, let me recommend the Norway List:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/NorwayList.htm
We are a group of "hundreds" ? That are all over the world. We help find the families of emigrants, of those that stayed behind, the culture, history, the information of what is/was Norway. We have a message list to which you can subscribe. If you are really interested in your Norway family...give it a try.

In your postings, I find you seek siblings:
Olleta Hasle (Alettie, Olellie, Oletta) born circa 1905 in Park River, ND
Benda Hasle, born circa 1898, married to Unknown/died young, lived in Montana
Thora, born April 22, 1890.
Inger, born circa 1888.

Your posts indicate that you have found the family members in the US Census. In my "original" post, I identified the family as found in each of the 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census. I won't re-do all of that, except to note:

There are TWO Ole E. Hasle's. So, particular care MUST be taken to make sure the information on one is NOT confused with the other.

The Correct one and full family is found in the 1910 Census in Park River, Walsh County, North Dakota, census enumerated 4 May 1910.
Ole, age 46 (circa 1863/64) born in Norway, immigrated 1878.
Sarah, age 45 (circa 1864/1865) , born in Minnesota
Enger, age 22 (circa 1887/1888)
Thora, age 20 (circa 1889/1900)
Alma, 17 (circa 1892/1893)
Eva, age 15 (circa 1894/1895)
Benda, 12 (circa 1897/1898)
Olattie, 5 (circa 1904/1905)
Grace, 2 (circa 1907/1908) All children born in North Dakota
--The 1920 Census for Park River, enumerated 15 January.
Ole, 59 (circa 1860/1861, based on January census date, "probably" 1860, so for the rest of the family, the earlier date is "probably" correct, up to January 15th)
Sarah 54 (circa 1865/1866)
Eva 24 (circa 1895/1896)
Arnold 20 (circa 1899/1900)
Olettie (as written, may have been transcribed as Alettie) 14 (circa 1905/1906)
Grace 11 (1908/1909).
---The 1930 Census for Park River, enumerated April 10.
Ole E. Hasle age 69 (circa 1860), immigration stays at 1878 from Norway.
Grace, 22, circa 1907/08.

The other Ole E. Hasle is found in Brookings, Brookings County, South Dakota. He was married to Julia Bjerke. Son, Arthur Maryin Hasle, born 29 April 1896. Arthur was found in a newspaper article from Park River, North Dakota in 1956, so the families might be related, but Arthur was NOT the son of Ole E. from Park River, ND.

Minnesota Death Index:
Ole E. Hasle, born 10 Dec 1865, died 21 January 1972 in Douglas County

California Death Index:
Ole Evan Hasle, born 6 May 1860 in Other Country, died 1 Nov 1950 in Ventura Co.

South Dakota Death Index:
Julia O. Hasle, died 13 Feb 1932 in Brookings County.

-----------Newspaper Articles---------
September 9, 1954, Walsh County Press (Park River, North Dakota)
Mrs. Benda (Hasle) Robbins of Billings, Mont., spent Tuesday and Wednesday with Mabel Marifjeren, and with te T.W. Eyolfson family and other friends. She is a former local resident and is a teacher in the Billings schools.

August 18, 1955
Mrs Wilmer Skager and daughter, Joalyn, returned Monday from a two weeks trip to Montana. They visited at their former home in Deer Lodge… In Billings the Skagers were guests at the Waldo Skager home and called on Mrs. E. C. Dickerson (Grace Hasle) formerly of Park River…

September 27, 1956
Mabel Marifjeren visits former residents
Miss Mabel Marifjeren of this city, who spent the past eight onths visiting at the west coast, has returned here. During her absence she visited a large number of former Park River friends and relatives.
…
California was next…
She called on Mr. And Mrs. Guy Worden (Eva Hasle) at Long Beach and visited with Mrs. Selmer Hilleboe (Alma Hasle) in Los Angeles. At Camarillo, she was a guest of Mr. And Mrs Arnold Hasle…
In Seattle, [no Hasle family identified]
…
Montana, too, is the home state of numerous former local residents…
Among them… Mr. And Mrs. Ernest Dickerson (Grace Hasle)… and Mrs. Benda Hasle Robbins, all at Billings.

There were also several newspaper articles involving the "Hasel" family in "Park River" found at: http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/ Go to the Advanced search, use Hasel as the family name and Park River as the place.

----------Sarah-----------------
The North Dakota Public Death Index:
Sarah Hasle, born 1/25/1865, died 4/12/1929 in Walsh County, ND

----------Alma------------------
The North Dakota Public Death Index
Alma C. Hasle, born 9/7/1899, died 01/26/1987 in Burleigh County, ND

----------Thora----------------
The 1920 Census for San Francisco Assembly District 29, San Francisco County, CA
Thora Hasle (transcribed as Hasler), age 26, born in N. Dakota to father born in Norway, mother in Minnesota, China painter (artist), Single.

The California Death Index has only one Thora, Thora L. Oneal, born 28 Oct 1890 in North Dakota, died 17 Sep 1971 in San Diego. Her SSN was 568-18-1273. The 1930 Census has a John B. Oneal age 32, married to a Thora. She was born in North Dakota to father born in Sweden, mother in Denmark. She is a public school teacher, but this person is probably NOT the correct person. I'm leaving her information here for later elimination from other sources. The California Death Index online is from 1940 to 1997.

The Social Security Death Index shows a Thora Rasmussen, born 2 April 1890, died Nov 1978, last benefit to Junction City, Lane Co, Oregon. Her SSN was 541-78-2422. The only link to this person is the date of birth, "IF" the typist missed the second "2", she could be a possibility. The "last benefit" does not mean that was where she lived.
---BUT, the Oregon Death Index shows date of birth as 2 April 1890, death 28 November 1978 at age 88, spouse name Chris. Death in Lane County. This is probably "NOT" the correct person, but the information is here for later elimination of other sources, or confirmation.

--I will add at this point, you can obtain a persons application for their Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration. This is either a computer print out or an exact copy of the form from microfilm. This form would show the names of the parents. For more information: "http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/fto_ssdisearch.html?Wel..."

----------Benda-----------------
The Montana Death Index:
Benda H. Robbins, age 85, widow, died 5 Feb 1983 in Yellowstone County. Her Social Security Number was 516-44-7608.

The Social Security Death Index:
Benda Robbins, born 20 July 1897, died Feb 1983. Last residence: Billings, Yellowstone County, Montana.

Here is the website for Yellowstone County:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mtyellow/_yell.html

----------Grace-----------------
Since you didn't ask for Grace, I'll only post the following basic information as found in Family Tree data:
Grace Hasle, born 19 Feb 1908 in Park River, Walsh, ND
Married Ernest C. Dickerson, born 19 Dec 1889 in Litchfield, Sherman, Nebraska
Marriage 16 April 1949 in Billings, MT.
--contact name was Dennis M. Dickerson dmdickerson@erols.com

Montana Death Index:
Grace H. Dickerson, age 89, died 9 November 1997 in Yellowstone County, Montana. She was a widow, Social Security Number 502-09-0892

Social Security Death Index:
Grace H. Dickerson, same SSN, born 19 Feb 1908, died 9 November 1997. Her SSN issued in North Dakota before 1951. Her "last residence" was in Joliet, Carbon County, Montana. The "last residence" in the SSDI is not always where they actually lived, but where the final benefit (usually the death benefit) was sent. So, in this case, the Montana Index indicates she died in Yellowstone county (Billings?), but the SSDI said she lived in Carbon Co. So, she may have lived in Carbon and was just visiting in Yellowstone; or she actually lived in Yellowstone and payment to someone that paid the funeral expenses lived in Joliet.

About All I can do.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Johan George Hiltz b. 1763 who married A. Hoeffler 1784

RBestrom7380 — 2007-10-08 06:55:42Z

This appears to be your first posting on Rootsweb, so you might be very new to genealogy research.

The site that you posted, where this message is located, is the Rootsweb Message board for Washington State.

When you post, identify as much information as you can on a person, or a family. You indicate that these persons might be in your ancestry...you might wish to start with your known family, parents, grandparents, then go back in time to try to identify those in your family tree.

It is almost impossible for a researcher to trace a family without more information.

Re: Woodrow E Wilson and Mary

RBestrom7380 — 2007-09-30 00:45:46Z

We've gone over this a couple of months ago:

"http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.was..."

Re: Martin R Paul in Cowlitz County Washington

RBestrom7380 — 2007-11-28 06:26:43Z

April,
Have you conducted, or requested a search of the Death Index for Washington State between 1910 and 1920? They are on microfilm, some are difficult to read, if not impossible. BUT, one of the films could be found readable, somewhere. That would be my first suggestion. Again, trying not to patronize you more than you already have been, the Soundex code for Paul is "P400", that is the location for their name in the Death Index on the microfilm.

IF, he can't be found in the Washington Death Index means nothing. His death wasn't registered or he died somewhere else. If it IS found, we can go from there.

The Polk Directories for Cowlitz County may not have been published that far back. Some cities were. IF they were, you might find Martin listed, or might not depending on where they lived, if in a logging camp, probably not. IF you did, about all you'd find his his name (spouse name wasn't added to the Polks for many years), his occupation, possibly where he lived. IF, again IF, he is found, just because he disappears from the listings does NOT mean that was when he died.

Since you haven't posted since the end of September, please post any new information.

Again, start with the death index. Genealogy is common sense, trying to find what you need, not what someone wants to impress you with.

Re: Peter Currie

RBestrom7380 — 2007-11-28 00:45:30Z

Based on the number of postings, I will give the stock comment to a "newby" to genealogy.

When you post try to post as much information you have on the person you seek. Their date of birth, place of birth, parents, siblings, children, spouses, etc., REALLY help in finding information on them.

If you already have the family tree, census data, etc., make a comment of that.

For this, I'll "assume" that you only want info on Peter Currie surrounding his death.

Without knowning his age/date of birh, that puts a hold on attempt to find out more about him. If he was only 2 years old, or if he was 90, that would help. If he was 90, there may not have been any surviving family to pay for an obituary. If he was 24, there might not be an obituary as no one in the family had enough money to pay for one...BUT, there may be a newspaper article about his death, other than an obituary.

Obituaries were very rare back in 1901. They became more common later in the 1900's.

Never pay for genealogy help, unless you have the money, or just want to pay someone to tell you they can't find anything. There are too many of us that do research for free and have for years.

A City Directory will not tell you anything. Especially back in 1901. During that period of time, almost ALL of the directories only carried the male head of household.

Yes, use the ask-a-librarian system for help, but if this person was not a baby or an old man, but could have died by an accident or questionable circumstances, then also ask to check the paper for deaths, besides obituaries:
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx

Re: James Wiley Turner

RBestrom7380 — 2007-11-21 21:50:44Z

Rachel, it helps when you post all the information known, date of birth, place of birth, spouses, children, that helps the researcher not have to look themselves:

Posted: 28 Jul 2007 11:27AM GMT (Washington Unknown)
Looking for information on William Columbus Turner he was the son of William C. and Bertie Norris Turner. I know that when they left Ashe County North Carolina in the early 1900's he went West with them. A cousin told me that when the Turners moved to Seattle in 1910 that William stay in the eastern part of the state. Sorry I have no more information to supply. Thanks in advance for any help. Rachel Keller

Posted: 7 Mar 2006 2:41PM GMT (Whitman County)
Wondering if anyone can look up obit. for Birddie Norris Turner who died 1-14-1944 in Oakesdale Washington. Her parents were John and Margaret Norris. I think she was married to William Turner. Thanks for any help. Rachel Keller
----------

The person above was found in the Washington Death Index, death on 19 Jan 1944 in Whitman County, age 73, born about 1871.

The 1910 Census for Oakesdale, Whitman County, WA
Turner, William C. 5?(8?), born in North Carolina, house carpenter
Birdie C (as transcribed), age ?8(48?), born in NC, mother of 7, 6 living
Margie 17
Ruby V. 12
Inez 7, all children born in NC (So, they didn't leave NC until at least 1903)

1920 Census for Oakesdale, Whitman Co, WA
William C, age 61
Berdie C (E?) age 48 (born 1871/1872)
Margaurite 25
Ida ? 23
Ruby, 18?
Inez 17
Kathleen 5-born in Washington

Re: Alexander Baillie+Tacoma+Golf

RBestrom7380 — 2007-11-11 02:43:21Z

Well...that's a little bit better...

World War I Draft Registration Card image database:
William Reynolds Ripley, born 27 Mar 1887 in Vermont, registering in Tacoma, WA with a wife and child.

1920 Census for Tacoma at 606 N. G. Street
Ripley, William R, 32, born in Vermont
Jessie B, age 32, born in Oregon to both parents born in Scotland.
Alex B, age 9, born in WA.

1930 Census for Tacoma, 318 North E. Street
W.R. Ripley, age 43 in Vermont, door manufacturing
Jessie B, 43, born in Oregon
Alexander B, 19
Maud?, Hallin, servant, female 19

I find a "WRRipley" owner of a family tree for this family. It shows Alexander Baillie Ripley, born August 10, 1910 in Tacoma, died September 4, 1978 in Lakebay, WA. He was married to Mary Howard Roberts, born 1915, one child born.
--I sent a message through to this person to read this thread and make contact.
--There was another person "mukdux" who did not have much information in their data.

The Tacoma library has an online database of obituary dates: http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/obits/ It shows Alexander b. Ripley's obituary was posted on 5 Sep 1978, page A-13 in the Tacoma News Tribune (TNT). You can order a copy of this obituary from the library, OR, go to: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/ask.aspx a service of the Washington State library where a researcher will look up to an hour and send you results for free. Just indicate his name, when the obit appeared and what newspaper and you'll receive it within one-two weeks.

The above Tacoma library site also had two Baillie names. Where the word "Ledger" is shown, it is the Tacoma Ledger, not the TNT.

If you don't already have these, here are 22 pictures of Alexander Baillie, just use the last name to search:
http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/images/

Some interesting news:
------
Column: Looking Back

News Tribune, The (Tacoma, WA)
September 13, 2004
Author: The News Tribune

100 years ago today: Sept. 13, 1904
Mrs. Alexander Baillie and daughters, Kathleen and Marian, suffered injuries when their carriage upset in Wright Park. The accident occurred when the horse drawing the carriage became alarmed at an automobile driven near it. The horse bolted, and the carriage upset.

------

Column: LOOKING BACK: A SOUTH SOUND HISTORY THROUGH WORDS AND PICTURES

News Tribune, The (Tacoma, WA)
February 12, 2006
Author: The News Tribune
100 years ago today: Feb. 12, 1906

Pictured on the automobile page of The Tacoma Ledger in their new cars are E.R. Wheeler in his 18-horsepower Winton, Alexander Baillie taking a group of small children for a ride in a 30-horsepower car, Paul Vaeth in a 24-horsepower Ford, Ralph Metcalf in a White Steamer and J.L. Carman in his 16-horsepower Veracity.

-------

Column: Looking Back

The News Tribune
June 13, 2003
Author: The News Tribune

100 years ago today: June 13, 1903

Today sees the formal opening of the new pavilion at Point Defiance Park. The building and wharf were constructed for something over $5,000. ... On the retirement of Alexander Baillie of the large shipping firm of Balfour and Guthrie from the presidency of the Tacoma Seamen's Friend Society, which position he had occupied for over 15 years, the directors passed a resolution assuring him of their admiration.

----

Column: Looking Back

The News Tribune
October 21, 2001
Author: Diane Novak; The News Tribune

Caption:
BW PHOTO / Tacoma Public Library/Richards Studio Collection: South Sound Photo Album: Alexander Baillie, a Scotsman who came to Tacoma in 1889, was the driving force behind the the first golf course in Washington state, and the Tacoma Golf and Country Club's first president.
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Ron Bestrom

Re: Alexander Baillie + Tacoma+Golf

RBestrom7380 — 2007-11-10 03:48:25Z

Gail,
It sounds like you may have a good deal of information about Alexander and his family. But, when you post, try to identify as much of their personal information as you have, such as date-of-birth, place-of-birth, parents, siblings, etc. If you already have US Census data, let that be known, otherwise you'll get a bunch of information that you don't need or want.
If you already have his obituary, or those of his childrens, let that be known, otherwise someone would suggest that you obtain it.
Here is a Rootsweb site that identifies what/how to post for information. Yes, this one is set for Norwegian searches, but the basics are the same:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/good-queries.htm

That site also identifies not only what to post on what you know; but also, what to post on what you want to learn.

When you post, there is a small chance of someone in the family seeing your post; but, there is a VERY large percentage of someone like me, a researcher finding it and helping.

Your best bet is to be specific in your inquiry. I've seen posts that say, "Let me know everything about John Adams". Those never get answered.

Have you accessed Ancestry.com? If not a subscriber, your local library might subscribe to it and you can access it there. Heritage Quest might be another source of information from the US Census, libraries also have it for free.

The Tacoma Library has an online obituary database:
http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/obits/ It shows two deceased Baillie.

I did do an initial search on Ancestry.com. There were 13 of them in the World War I Draft Card image database. Most had Alexander as a middle name. But, there was Alexander Dixon Baillie born 5 May 1887 living in Hawaii; Alexander baillie, born 25 Dec 1873 living in Queens, NY; Alexander Stuart Baillie, born 25 Nov 1884, living in Ohio, one in Texas, and one in Wisconsin. But, your guy might have been too old to have even registered.

The 1900 US Census had 8 of them, four born in Scotland, One in Mass, one in New Jersey, one in Wisconsin, one in New York. The 1930 census had 13 of them, none living in this area. So, he must have died somewhere besides Washington? Let the researchers know what information you have.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Andrew Gunder Hanson (Hansen) - great great grandfather

RBestrom7380 — 2007-10-31 22:04:58Z

First. I don't know how much experience you have in Norwegian genealogy or background. The name "Dynge" is probably the farm name back in Norway. Up to the early 1900's (a bit earlier in the cities), there was no surname/last name as we know it. The naming practice was "Patronymics". The first name was a "given" name, just as here. The middle name was the patronymics of the first name of the father, followed by "sen" or "datter". So, if Hans Ivarsen Dynge (Ivarsen was made up) had a son Andrew, he would be Andrew Hansen. If he had a daughter, Lena, she would be Lena Hansdatter, the rest of her lift. So, what was Dynge, since there were probably so may Hans Iversen, Ole Olsen, etc., they had to identify themselves, so they used an "address", the name of the farm on which they resided. So, Dynge was the farm name. If Andrew or Lena moved to the Stenbakken Farm, they would be Andrew Iversen Stenbakken. If Lena married Ole Olsen Nenbraaten, she would be Lena Hansdatter Nedbraaten. The woman never took the husbands name.

-----Patronymics-----
> Here are two of the major sites for learning about Patronymics and farm
> names:
>
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/index.html The home page:
> ---Go to and click on "My Articles", You will see 12 articles on getting
> started, Naming Practices, farm names, etc.
>
> http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/jborgose.htm This resource is also
> excellent for learning about Norwegian names, farm names, the added Nordic
> Characters-their other vowels in the Norwegian language ø æ å.
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/index.html Another site with learning
> information.
>
-----------------------------

I belong to a mailing list, the Norway List. We are a group of persons all over the world that help find families that are still in Norway, or have emigrated to points all over the world. It is unlike any other mailing list, as we become family. A good number of us have been there for years. You might give it a try and see what information we can find. I know there are "listers" in the Grand Forks area.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/NorwayList.htm

The 1900 Census for Marsh Grove, Marshall County, Minnesota:
Hans A. Dynge, born "Jun 1838", but could be "Jan" as the census enumerator wrote "June" for others. Born in Norway, emigrated in 1880, a farmer.
Gjertrud, born Sep 1832 in Norway, emigrated in 1881. mother of 6, 5 living
George, grandson, born August 1891 in S. Dakota.

In 1903, both Hans A and Knut H, Dynge obtained farm land through the homestead act in Minnesota. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ If you didn't know about these, or want assistance in finding where the property was located, just ask.

The 1910 Census for Plymouth, Grand Forks County, ND
Knute Dynge, age 34 (1875/1876), born in Norway, immigrated 1886, farmer
Etty, age 33(32?), born in Minnesota to both parents born in the US, mother of 5, 4 living:
Henry, 12, born in MN
Gerald 8, MN
Elsie, 5, ND
Amanda 5/12, ND
Gertrude, 75 (circa 1834/35), born in Norway, immigrated in 1886.

World War I Draft Registration Card images:
Knut Hansen Dynge, born May 20, 1875, alien has declared intent for citizen. A frame bender helper for the North Pacific Ship Building Co. in Seattle. Nearest relative is Henrietta Dynge, both living at 406 7th Ave S., Seattle. He was tall, stout in build, blue eyes and dark brown hair. He registered as required on Sept 12, 1918.

The 1920 Census for Kingston, Kitsap County, Washington
Knute Dynge, age 44, born in Norway, immigrated 1886, laborer at a lumber mill
Henrietta, 41, born in Minnesota.
Elsie 14, ND
Amanda 10, ND
Olga, 5, Washington State
Gertrude, mother age 85 (circa 1834/35), widow, immigrated in 1886 from Norway.
The 1920 Census for Seattle, King County, WA owning at 5446 37th Ave N
Henry H. Dynge, age 22, born in Minnesota, picture letterer in an art store
Vera L. 18, born in Washington

The Social Security Death Index shows Knut Dynge born 20 May 1875, died Sep 1969. His last residence at Shady Cove, Jackson County, Oregon. (The "last residence" is not always where a person died, but where a final benefit is sent, usually the death benefit).
--Gerald Dynge, born 24 Jul 1901, died Oct 1967, last res: Medford, Jackson Co, OR
--Dorothy Dynge, born 18 Apr 1913, died May 1973 in Medford
--Verda Dynge, born 1 Apr 1904, died Feb 1971 in Medford.

The Oregon death Index:
Knute Han Dynge, died 8 Sep 1969
Gerald T, 7 Oct 1967
Dorothy F, 28 May 1973
Verda New, 6 Feb 1971
Henrietta A, 9 Mar 1964.

----------Dynge---------
I went to the Norwegian archives, the Digitalarkivet:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&a...
Then to the 1865 census. I did a search for any gard/farm name of Dynge. I found 8 persons living on a farm with that name. The farm was in the Sigdal parish of Buskerud Fylke (similar but a bit different to our counties). Here is this group:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
There were an additional 74 persons living on farms where the name began with Dynge.

The DigitalArkivet also has a number of different databases, to include the emigrant database. I found this family emigrating in 1866 from Kristiania:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...
Gjertrud is highlighted, above her is Hans. They were from Skauger, enroute to McCanna, Dakota Territory. They were on the ship "Marstin", departing on 14 May 1886. Andrew/Anders/Andreas is not with them.
The Norway Heritage shows this ship as the "Marsdin", departing on 14 May. http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_route.asp?ro=W28 It was a "feeder ship", one that traveled from Norway to Hull England. The passengers then took transportation, train, wagon, etc. to Liverpool for the transatlantic voyage. This was known as Transmigration: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/transmigration.html
If you click on the little steerage wheel, the next window will show you "possible" ships and routes they could have taken as indicated by the arrow in the first column. I have found this to not be correct for some. Finding the arrival ship is another topic.

Henry Dynge is buried in the Valley View Cemetery, Cottonwood, Yavapai County, Arizona.

--------Andrew Gunder--------
It is more difficult to find him without his birth information. Do you have that? In what year was he married?

The World War I Draft Registration Card images has an Andrew Hansson, born July 4, 1874, naturalized (no country identified). Living in Issaquah, King County. He is married to Margaret Hansson. He was a farmer.

The 1920 Census for Bear Creek, Snohomish Co, WA
Andrew G. Hanson, age 54, born in Norway, immigrated 1885, naturalized 1895, farmer
Matilda, age 49, born in Sweden, immigrated 1891
Alice M, daughter, age 17, born in WA.
Lester F, 16, born in WA
--there is NO proof this person is the one sought.
--The 1930 census for Maltby, Snohomish County, WA
Andrew J (as transcribed, but appears to be a "g" to me), Hanson, age 65, born in Norway, immigrated 1886
Matilda, age 60, born in Sweden, immigrated 1878
--Again, while this appears close, there is NO proof.

There are to many Andrew/Anders Hanson/Hansen/Hansson to positively identify one being the right person without more information. His date of birth is very important. It appears his mother and brother were in the Seattle area for a period of time. So, it appears a good chance he might have been there also.

Public Records

RBestrom7380 — 2007-04-24 04:40:22Z

A couple of weeks ago, I attended a local forum that was presented by the Washington Coalition for Open Government. WWW.washingtoncog.org . This organization may have similar organizations in your own state. The forum concerned access to government information and public records. Find out and become ACTIVE in their work.

This newspaper reporter attended the forum and wrote his article as to the lessons learned in the forum:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/310/story/39415.html If this link becomes broken in the future, I have saved this article.

READ this article.

As we have watched, many local county recorders across the country have taken records off the Internet. These records are a MUST for genealogy research. They have done this in regard to the "threat" of identity fraud/theft. The definition of Identity Fraud in a number of jurisdictions is taking anothers identity to commit fraud. Identity theft is taking the actual identity of another person for a multitude of false reasons.

Today, a very large number of persons (Mostly the elderly) are afraid, fearful, that their identity will be used by the criminal element for fraud. They are fearful of any of their information being posted on the Internet, as that would lead to identity theft of their names and accounts; and cause them great financial losses. But, they fall victim to someone on the Internet just asking for them to give their information, "Phishing".

Information on the Internet is the cause... This is just NOT, repeat, NOT true. The main problem is not in online records, it is the credit industry giving credit to anyone that has a name of a person. I could get enough information from your garbage or steal your mail to give me MORE personal information on you than is available in public records. If I can't go online to get information, then all I would have to do is just go to a local county recorder and get the same information. So, I steal your mail, get your bank account information...or even those, almost daily, credit card application mailings. I then just apply for credit in your name. Or, I just go to a phone book and get your name and address and print out checks in your name. I can also just print out a false drivers license in your name and address. Any store would honor that.

We don't need to hide records, we need to stop the use of immediate and unauthorized credit being given to criminals. EVERY credit card issuer needs to have restrictions in giving credit cards, just based on an application. Every retail establishment MUST require proven identity of a credit card or check. If you don't want to be asked for ID, then don't complain if your identity has been stolen.

Genealogists, you MUST become active in preventing local county recorders from keeping information off the Internet. I do research nationwide. Even if it was State wide, I can NOT visit every county to see what records they may have on a family. I have found dozens, if not hundreds of family members...supposedly lost over time. We MUST have access to PUBLIC records.

Contact your local county auditors, assessors, newspapers, state representatives. We MUST fight for availability of records ONLINE. Soon, these counties will be shutting off records for those even asking in person. The USA can NOT become an iron curtain for public records.

Tell your State or County government representatives that they can actually SAVE money by putting this information online. They would not have to have their own staff do the research and provide the information being asked by a local person, or by a letter or email request. The SAME information could be provided automatically. The Washington State Auditor, Brian Sonntag has even made the statement that hardening security is better than eliminating access to public records. “I would rather see us respond to a problem than try to prevent one that hasn’t happened yet,” he said.

We all MUST fight for open government records, at EVERY level. There is no "classified" information at the local or State level. I was a Special Agent with the Federal government, with 32 years of service. There ARE records that just anyone can not obtain. These include your IRS tax records. Your records will be safe...until someone at the IRS decides to sell that information. Or your bank personnel decides to sell your information. So, there MUST be a check and balance system to prevent someone just using your information...without someone actually contacting you, or questioning why the credit is being issued to another address.

FIGHT for access to local government records. FIGHT for Internet access of the same records. FIGHT for genealogy research. And fight for restrictions to use of private information without proof of identity.

POST this on your genealogy sites you visit.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Lucy Jory and Arthur Baldwin

RBestrom7380 — 2007-05-01 05:14:24Z

When posting the chances of someone within the family is far less than someone "volunteering" to do the research. So you must post specifics. Your post did not identify any specific information on either Lucy or Arthur. Do you have her date of birth, parents names, where born, where parents born? Any information on her first husband, James Jory? You identified Arthur as born 1878 and death in Sep 1963. How do you know this is the correct Arthur Baldwin?

BUT, using that limited information and "Assuming" you could connect this Arthur Baldwin as being the correct person, I did some research.

Bottom Line First: Lucy Maupin appears to be the daughter of Lizzie/Elizabeth (maiden name unknown, but was a Buffam/Buffum at time of marriage to Issac Norton. Lizzie was married this third time to a person 23 years her senior).
This Lucy may have been put into a catholic school in her teens, but I don't have the evidence this is the same Lucy as being sought.
This Lucy may have been married to the James W. Jory as found. I did find the marriage of Lucy J. Maupin and James W. Jory in 1902 in Benton County. This James Jory would have been about 24 years her senior. Finding this Lucy living in the home of her mother in the 1910 census could mean the two had separated in 1910. The James W. Jory found, died in November 1910.
This possible Lucy married Arthur Baldwin in December 1910...She was listed as Mrs Lucy Jury (Jury is as spelled). He was listed as Baldwin, A. V. (initials are correct). I don't know if an actual image of this marriage license/data is available, but the image might have additional data. The Arthur that I found was an Arthur Allan. The image could indicate the "V" was an "A".
The Arthur W as provided was married in 1920 to a Florence; but he did have a 5 year old daughter, Lucile M. Was this person named for his first wife out of sympathy? Or a coincidence?
This Lucy found appeared to have a disruptive life, mother married three times, herself put into a catholic school (disobedience or other problems as the reason)? This one married a man far senior to her and appears to have been incarcerated. Was his incarceration related to violent behavior?
Did this Lucy die in a suicide (that is my guess); or did she just disappear. There doesn't seem to be evidence of her marriage to anyone else in Oregon. If this Arthur W "was" her husband, the naming of his daughter the same name could indicate his sympathy and regret over her death, rather than regret that she left him.
This being my bottom line, my research follows. Again, without your data, I can't confirm any of this as related to your Lucy. The "correct" Lucy could have just been a Lucy Jury that married this A.V. Baldwin as the passed through Oregon.

-----------Arthur Baldwin-------------

The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) does show an Arthur Baldwin born 26 August 1878 and died Sep 1963. But, the "last residence" in the SSDI is not necessarly where the person actually lived. At times it is the location where the final payment (death payment) was sent. His Social Security Number (SSN) was issued in Oregon, 542-22-8462.

The Washington Death Index (WDI) does not show this person.

The 1910 US Census for Macksburg, Clackamas County, OR
Arthur A Baldwin, age 31, born in Illinois to father born in New Hampshire, mother in Pennsylvania, public school teacher

The World War I Draft Registration Card images shows Arthur Allan Baldwin, born August 26, 1878, living in Clatsop County, Oregon. His nearest relative was Florence Buchanan Baldwin, his wife.
===I find Florence M. Buchanan was daughter of Virgil Buchanan 1844-1919 and Martha Ellen Uhl, born 1851

The 1920 census for Macksburg, Clackamas County, Oregon, owning the residence.
Arthur A Baldwin, age 41, born in Illinois to father born in New Hampshire, mother in Pennsylvania, a farmer
Florence, age 32, born in Kansas to both parents born in Maryland.
Lucille, daughter, age 5, born in Oregon.
The next person listed:
Georgia Baldwin, age 78, born in Pennsylvania, renting.

The 1930 census for Metzger, Washington County, Oregon
Arthur A Baldwin, age 51, born ni IL
Florence B, age 42 in Kansas
Lucile (as spelled) M. 15

-------Lucy--------

The 1900 Census for Abernathy, Clackamas County, Oregon
Lucy Maupin, 17, born Dec 1882 in Oregon to both parents born in Illinois, an inmate at the Sisters of the Good Shepard of the Magdaline House.

The 1910 US Census finds two Lucy Jory:
At Blodgett, Benton County, Oregon
Lucy Jory, step-daughter, age 27 (1882/1883) to father born in "unknown", mother in Oregon, married 7 years, living in the home of
Isaac Norton, age 67, second marriage, married 11 years
--the 1900 census shows his DOB as Feb 1842
--an Isaac Norton died in Lane County on 25 Nov 1922
--his first marriage was Olive Harris on 20 Feb 1867, he married Elizabeth/Lizzie Buffam/Buffum on 21 Jan 1899 in Lincoln Co. She died 16 April 1916.
Lizzie, age 44 (1864/65) born in Oregon to father born in Iowa, mother in Missouri, third marriage, mother of 3, 2 living.
--The 1900 census shows her DOB as Dec 1862.
At Oregon City, Clackamas County, OR
Alferd (as spelled), age 38, born in Iowa, married 5 years
Lucy, wife, age 23, born in New York to father born in NY, mother in Rhode Island, mother of 4, 4 living
Alferd 4
Albert 3
Chester 1
William 2/12.
---This one is probably NOT the right person.

The Oregon Death Index shows 7 Luc* Baldwin deaths, the earliest is Lucinda, death in 1933. A Lucy on 22 Dec 1939.

------------James W. Jory------------
The 1900 Census for Tule Lake, Klamath County, Oregon
James W. Jory, born March 1858 (42), Single, born in Illinois to father born in England, Mother in New York.

The 1910 Census for West Roseburg, Douglas County, Oregon, enumerated 26 April.
James W. Jory, age 63, born in Illinois to father in England, mother in New York, an inmate (prison)
The 1910 Census for Linkville, Klamath, Oregon, enumerated 2/3/4 May.
James W. Jory, age 62, farmer, born in Illinois to father in England, mother in NY, a farmer.
--Probably the same person, enumerated twice. So, was he released from prison in April then counted again as a farmer?

The ODI shows a James W. Jory, death on 17 Nov 1910 in Douglas County.