Norfolk County [1636-1963] - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Mary Ann Portlock Williamson Diary

jmcc2113112 — 2009-11-01 17:21:01Z

Bettie is Elizabeth (born 1807) and John B is John Ballentine McCloud (born Sept 1812)-they are buried off Jones Creek near Barnes Rd in Chesapeake, Va-John Ballentine McCloud was Clerk of the Yard, Norfolk Navy Yard at his death in December, 1866. He was elected to Congress in a special election of Dec 1862, as a unionist-good article on him in New York Tribune of Dec 20, 1862. He was not seated by credentials committee. His election was linked to Lincoln's emancipation proclaimation, and there is a telegraph message from MG Dix to Lincoln about McCloud dated Dec 31st 1862, in Lincoln's papers.

Their oldest son John Allen McCloud (834-1911) was a prominent citizen of South Norfolk, he was a teacher, customs inspector and later owner of a general mechandise (primarily grocery) business on Liberty Street. He also aided in establishing Elon College, NC. His grandson William Allen Harper (who lived with John Allen McCloud) was President of Elon from 1911 to 1931.

Re: Mary Ann Portlock Williamson Diary

egor194 — 2009-10-31 20:23:56Z

I just looked on 1860 Census for Norfolk County, Va. there i
seen John B.McCloud born about 1808 and his Wife Bettie E.born about 1803 they had four kids

John A.born 1834
Wm. J. born 1838
Levin born 1844
Eugene W. born 1852

Could Bettie E. be Elizabeth ?
Good Luck
Jack

Re: Mary Ann Portlock Williamson Diary

jmcc2113112 — 2009-10-31 12:37:12Z

Thank you for your response-the McClouds in Magnolia are mmy family- John Ballentine McCloud was the son of John M McCloud, an officer in the US Navy who died in 1822-his wife was Mary Ann Ballentine from Norfolk County.

Re: Mary Ann Portlock Williamson Diary

AWilliamson1020 — 2009-10-31 01:10:41Z

I don't have an Elizabeth Williamson in my direct line. I checked my records for sisters (of direct line ancestors) named Elizabeth but found none. There were a number of Williamson lines in Norfolk County and Princess Anne County. There were tons of Portlocks too. Since Elizabeth was a very popular name, I'm sure I've seen it in indexes. I wasn't able to find Elizabeth Williamson (or McCloud) in "Tombstone Inscriptions of Norfolk County Virginia." However, there were quite a few McClouds in Magnolia Cemetery in Norfolk (city), most born in the mid- to late- 1800s. If you haven't already visited the Chesapeake courthouse records room, you might give it a try. The Wallace Room in the Chesapeake Central Library has quite a few books that might be helpful, including "Tombstone Inscriptions...." Although, come to think of it, many of those same books are in the Sargeant Memorial Room in Kirn Library in downtown Norfolk. Good luck and happy searching!

Re: Mary Ann Portlock Williamson Diary

jmcc2113112 — 2009-10-30 20:38:32Z

My great-great grandmother was Elizabeth Williamson, born around 1807 in Norfolk County. She married John Ballentine McCloud from St Brides Parish, Norfolk County(born 1812) in 1832. In 1835 when John Ballentine McCloud adopted his sister Mary Ann McCloud, two Portlocks supported him according to court papers in Norfolk. My great uncle Jesse McCloud is buried in the Gibson Cemetery in Portlock, and there is a McCloud Rd there. Have you run across any info on Elizabeth Williamson? Thanks

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

pmi942 — 2009-10-23 01:17:52Z

Thanks for your most thorough reply. You have pretty much confirmed what I suspected - that "orphan" shouldn't be taken too literally. And in this case, things make considerably more sense, given the various dates, if Lydia was Sarah's mother.

Re: Norfolk County, VA, Will Book H, 1637-1753

reagable — 2009-10-21 17:55:30Z

I've never heard of a book referred to as Will Book H.

Charles McIntosh did "Lower Norfolk County and Norfolk County Wills 1637-1710" as well as "Brief Abstracts of Norfolk County Wills 1710-1753"
I'm sure they are both out of print, but you can usually find them on used book sites.

A recent publication you might be interested in is "Transcription of Lower Norfolk County VA Records Volume I Wills and Deeds Book D 1656-1666" by John Anderson Brayton. I undertand he's working on another one too. You have to write him at 1900 Central Ave in Memphis to get his books.

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

reagable — 2009-10-20 23:41:03Z

Guardian bonds are not only for orphans. A man can become guardian of his own children so make sure the word "orphan of" is included on the bond. And yes most definitely the mother can still be alive and she can become the guardian. She loses the right to be guardian if she remarries, but her new husband can apply to become guardian.

Need to remember why guardian bonds exist --- it was not for the welfare of the child. It was for the welfare of their inheritance. Guardian bonds were not created for all orphans - only for ones which had a large enough estate to support them. The guardian was also not the one the orphan necessarily lived with. The law stated that the guardian "shall have custody" but that's not the same as "he will live with you".

If a poor child (one without enough inheritance) became an orphan he might be put under an apprentice bond rather than a guardian bond. If the person looking after the child didn't realize that an inheritance could be in jeopardy then they might not have taken out a guardian bond until someone tried to take the inheritance. You'll find plenty of those orphans in the Minute Books for Norfolk County where a person was appointed guardian ad litem for the case.

You'll also find females being the subject of a guardian bond one day and marrying their guardian the next day. A girl needed her parent's permission to marry - they were dead, her boy friend got appointed her guardian and then gave permission for the marriage. In that case you would never see an actual guardian account listed in the books.

When you find a guardian bond, look for land records as he inherited land or slaves - enough to support him. Chancery records and Minute Books tell a lot.

Also remember unrelated people rarely signed the bond. They were extremely good friends or relatives to sign for a $2,000 bond.

BTW, we (Bonney and I) have abstracted the Norfolk County Guardian Bonds for Norfolk County covering 1801-1850, along with some corrections to Wingo's earlier work. Wingo had not included bonds where a man became the guardian to his own children.

Re: St Mary’s Female Academy and Orphan Asylum in the city of Norfolk

LaurieGalle — 2009-10-18 19:08:15Z

I am also looking for someone who passed throught this school. Robbin Lynn Galle my husbands little sister was adpoted out of this place in 1963 when the children were removed from the family home. It was the last time he ever saw her.

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

Yamel861 — 2009-10-18 14:08:21Z

Tks for your informative reply. Actually, I have been,many times, in the PAC Court House, but not lately. Also, I have seen the accounts for my GrGrandfather. Sadly, didn't make any copies. I'm in the Tidewater area but just don't do the running around I used to do. I grew up with my maternal grandmother so heard much about her Dad and I even have pictures of him. The accounts ended when he dropped out of private school at age 17 and joined the Confederacy.
Again, thanks for your interest.

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

pmi942 — 2009-10-18 13:12:00Z

Thanks. You've helped confirm what I was beginning to suspect - that an "orphan" could have a living mother. With that interpretation, everything else makes more sense.

My research spills over into Princess Ann County rather frequently, so I've mucked around in those records from time to time. The CD you got sounds to be a copy of the Index to Guardian's Accounts, and you are right, all that will give you is a listing of the accounts. You would need to then go to the guardian's accounts themselves to find out what's in them. What you'll generally find is ledger-like listings of expenses submitted to the court by the guardian(s) periodically. These can tell you who the orphan was living with, and may name other family members. In theory, the accounts would be submitted periodically until the orphan reached adulthood - age 21 under English common law. So IN THEORY, the date of the last account should tell you the year in which the orphan reached age 21, and from that you can back-calculate an approximate birth year.

The original guardian's accounts are still held by the Princess Ann County courts. Microfilm copies of most - probably all - are at the Virignia State Library in Richmond. I am guessing from your post that you may not live near either. If so...two suggestions. First is go to the VSL website and check their on-line catalog of holdings. Its not particularly easy to use, but you'll get the hang of it. SOME of their microfilm is available for interlibrary loan. If the microfilm of guardians' accounts is loanable, you can get it through your local library.

If that doesn't work...plan B. As I said, my research takes me into Princess Ann County records from time to time. AND, I live within an easy drive of Richmond. If you want to contact me by e-mail, and give me the necessary information, I'd be glad to look and see what I find next time I make a research trip to Richmond.

If you want to go with plan B, contact me at the following e-mail: Xkenives99@comcast.net. Do NOT use the leading "X" in the address. Its there just to confound automated e-mail address mining software.

Ken Ives

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

pmi942 — 2009-10-18 12:50:33Z

Thanks, Jack. I suspected as much, but didn't really KNOW. Looking at the totality of facts, it makes more sense that Lydia married James, Jr., but the guardian's bond was making me wonder. But if an "orphan" could still have a living mother, things fall into place.

Re: Norfolk County Orphanages or Children's Homes

CJROBERTS — 2009-10-16 21:28:07Z

Thanks, but the years that I'm looking at would be around 1909-1915. Still it does help to know.

Re: Norfolk County Orphanages or Children's Homes

heartzncountry — 2009-10-16 19:33:36Z

I found a census listing for the "orphan's asylum" in 1870. There were 20 orphans at that time, mostly boys. The superintendent was Edward Rogers and his wife Ursula. As a side note, in 1860, Edward and Ursula were in charge of the Portsmouth City Almshouse.

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

Yamel861 — 2009-10-15 18:12:25Z

My great grandfather had a Guardian Account in Princess Anne County. His father died when he was 6 but his mother was still living. I recently sent off for and received a CD on Guardian Accounts of PA County, 1736 - 1871. It did me no good as it only listed all the names of those with accounts and I already knew he had one. Gives no other info but some print abut these accounts. The Guardian could be the orphan's mother, older sibling, older sibling's spouse, uncle or other relative. The original records are in 15 hand-written volumes.

Re: Interpreting Guardian's Bond

egor194 — 2009-10-15 15:22:12Z

Hello
Yes that is right, James was dead but may be not Lydia so
James children would have to have Male guardian to over see
their well being.I had same thing happen on my family in
1835 in Princess Anne County. So Lydia could have still
Alive or other family member would have taken them in as
orphans. Good Luck
Jack

Interpreting Guardian's Bond

pmi942 — 2009-10-15 01:13:57Z

I'm hoping some one may know more about Virignia guardian's bonds than I do.

This story starts in the early 18th century, with a guy named James Ives, who had a son, also named James Ives. I have a copy of a Norfolk County marriage bond indicating that James Ives married Lydia Lewelling.

I have also found a 1795 Norfolk County guardian's bond issued for "Sarah Ives, orphan of James Ives." There are three signatories to the bond. Two are men who, as far as I know, are unrelated. The third is a woman -- Lydia Ives.

From the timing, I'm pretty sure Sarah was the daughter of James, Jr. The question I'm trying to answer is, which James married Lydia Lewelling? From the dates and facts involved, it could conceivably be either.

So, the question: when a late 18th century Virginia Court issued a guardian's bond for an "orphan," did that mean that BOTH parents were dead, as it would today? (In which case Lydia must have been Sarah's grandmother, and have married James, Sr). Or, since women had a much different legal status back then, would the court have appointed male guardians even if Sarah's mother was still alive? (In which case Lydia was probably Sarah's mother, and have married James, Jr).

John J. Hodges, born about 1823 in Norfolk County

rhodges10_1 — 2009-10-09 13:12:14Z

I was wondering if anyone had any information on John J. Hodges. From what I can tell, he was born about 1823, married Amesia (or Amesa or Artemesia, I've seen it different ways) Meads, born in NC (a widow: from Marriage Bond witnessed by a Wilson Bailey). He had three sons, John Joseph (b 1849), Virginius Leonitus (b about 1855), and James Claudious (b 1854). I've been told he died in Deep Creep during the area's Yellow Fever Epidemic of 1855.
Thanks for reading

Re: Norfolk Southern Railroad

KDELUISE — 2009-07-30 20:05:26Z

to locate an obit, i would need the exact date of death,

Re: Parents, wife of Lemuel Mason 1600s, Norfolk Co.VA

LATERBABE — 2009-09-13 19:41:09Z

There is a deed that was found in Norfolk that proves that the Thomas from Norfolk could not be the one who moved to Winchester because he died early. I am descended from the Winchester Thomas and am seeking clues as to where the Thomas in Winchester came from. I hope I can find somebody who is willing to help me search.

Maryalice Barbe

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

JeanOSchroeder — 2009-05-21 03:41:36Z

Thanks for the added info.

Jean

Gray cousins

aandbgamiel — 2009-07-06 21:10:06Z

My fathers uncle, Ignatious Gray, moved from Buxton NC to Norfolk around 1920. One daughter, Evelyn Futch, was buried in Riverside Cem., but when I check their list I can't find her. The other daughter Audrey Culver may be their as well. I do not know where Ignatious was buried. This family was still in Norfolk thru the 1940's.Evelyn may have a granddaughter named Dawn. If any one has any info for this family please let me know.

Re: Symon James Jackson and Anna Jane Voss

dsaffouri — 2009-08-23 18:10:51Z

I'm not sure where I got this info, and as this is an old request, you may already have this info: Here is as I have it: Parents of Anna Jane Voss: Israel Voss and Mary (Unknown, maybe "Ross"); Israel born 1636 died 14 Jan 1713. I have Mary b. 1640 d. 1677. They were married approx. 1668. I also have Symon J. Jackson & Anna Jane Jackson as having 7 children (John, Margery, Richard, James, Israel Voss, Elizabeth and Simon). Hope that helps. Sorry I have no source on this info.

Re: Colonial traders,mariners in VA

sscott253 — 2009-04-03 08:18:41Z

Was researching pre RW so never got that far along into the 1800s. Sorry I cannot help.
About the only piece of information I learned that was helpful is there typically is a waiting period of about 7 years if a mariner was lost at sea and the declaration of his death. This was written into English law and seemed to match the will-probate dates I have found for my ancestor. Good luck.

Re: Norfolk Southern Railroad

LCatchUp — 2009-08-16 23:58:21Z

Thanks, I recently found out Georgia remarried, Georgia L Crockett is buried in Magnolia. James final resting spot evades me. Thanks.

Re: Norfolk Southern Railroad

LCatchUp — 2009-08-01 19:12:25Z

Wish I had death of death, I know he was alive in 1906, by 1908 (Norfolk city directory, states his wife Georgia is a
widow. Are there any Norfolk/Southern RR newsletters ect, I can see online? Thanks Liz

Norfolk Southern Railroad

LCatchUp — 2009-05-25 13:01:46Z

My GGrandfather James A. Barron,(age 57) Superintendent of RR in 1906. Looking for Pension info, Retirement Notice, or Death Notice, that may appeared in monthly RR newsletter or Newspaper. I have been unable to find date of death or burial place. Any info would be appreciated.

Re: St. Paul's Church and other rare VA information.

offmyrocker2 — 2009-05-02 16:28:09Z

Joi - I would love to have a copy!

Relatively yours,
Joan Norstedt
past-lane@roadrunner.com

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

audball80 — 2009-04-25 23:55:12Z

The serial number on my chest is on the bottom of it along with who inspected it. The stamp or what have you call it on the inside says Richmond Cedar Works Norfolk, VA. Cedarstor hope chest. Genuine white solid cedar. I am still trying to find out when it was made or the value of it. The key for the lock is missing but if you push it in it opens.

Re: New Norfolk Company

jmc3167 — 2009-05-26 17:01:19Z

I have been looking for the same thing. What I am beginning to think is Rev George White lived in New Norfolk County now Nansemond County. Co. being confused with company. He may have been a "sponsor" for lack of a better word. He seems to have owned and sold land in the area. Just a theory but the more I look the more sense it makes.I can not find any record of a New Norfolk Company. Anyone else have any ideas.

Re: Colonial traders,mariners in VA

Yamel861 — 2009-04-03 13:21:15Z

I don't know about merchant ships, but my great-grandfather was an Ensign in the Yankee Navy and I sent for and received a copy of his record from the National Archives in D.C. The National Archives has records of any type of military related subjects.

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

judyannreed_67 — 2009-05-20 19:42:46Z

I sure do. Franklin Foster Creef married Phoebe Owens 27 May 1886 in East Lake. Their children were Rovinia 1883-1889, Ludford Tarkington b: 22 AUG 1892 d: JUL 1962, Annie Eliza b: JAN 1893, Rufus Obadiah b:5 MAY 1897 d:11 DEC 1967,Grady A b: 1900 d 1903, Lillian b: 1902. Phoebe & Grady both drowned when the boat they were in captized during a storm on her way home from Gum Neck. Franklin then married Colorado B Pinner 26 DEC 1907 in East Lake. My gg/f John F Holmes performed the ceremony. They had the following children: George Albert b:11 MAY 1908 d: 7 DEC 1996, Sammy Corbitt b:25 OCT 1910 d: 26 FEB 1996
Now I have a question for you? Would you be the son of Wayne Lee & Dorothy Creef? If so, I would appreciate some personal information on you. If you feel uncomfortable posting the information here, my home phone is 302 653 1690.
My schedule is somewhat erratic but I am home most evenings after 6:00 except Wednesday. Leave a message on the answering machine and I will return the call. Hope this info helps you and if you need more, I do have additional information on the extended family. Question # 2...did you recently email me? I have responded, just haven't sent it yet, but promise I will.

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

judyannreed_67 — 2009-05-20 01:11:51Z

Hi Jean: Yes there is a family reunion (Home Coming) the last Sunday of September every year @ the East lake Methodist Church. Rufus Obadiah is Ludford's brother. Ludford & Grace had the following children: Julian 1915-2008, Cora Louise 1917, Grace Rovinia 1918 Ludford Tarkington Jr 1920-2005 & Ruth 1923-1961.

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

judyannreed_67 — 2009-05-20 00:47:10Z

Tim: Ludford Tarkington Creef born 22 AUG 1892 (taken from
SSDI & WW2 draft registration card. He had sisters Rovina, Annie & Lillian & brothers Rufus, Grady, George & Sammy. He married Grace Anderson & had the following children: Julian, Cora, Grace, Ludford & Ruth

Re: John Bunting

mldevincenzi — 2009-09-01 04:57:42Z

No I haven't my husband had more surgery and my daughter-in-law has been very ill. I don't know when I can get down there it is my hope to do so but circumstances as they are
here I don't know when. I do know that Francis, Robert, Jacob and some one else I can't remember are buried there because as a child I saw thier tombstones. The stones may be gone by now. I hope not. Marylou

Re: John Bunting

mldevincenzi — 2009-10-01 03:58:28Z

I think I replied to the wrong e-mail. Any way call me when you feel up to it. I have a lot of stuff on the dudley's etc. remember i sleep until noon somedays. Marylou

Re: John Bunting

mldevincenzi — 2009-10-01 03:56:02Z

Jack call me anytime. I forgot to tell you that in my last e-mail. I have a lot of stuff on the Dudleys, etc. Mary lou

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

tcreef1 — 2009-05-20 20:15:58Z

Can you email me at tcreef@gmail.com?

Re: Richmond Cedar Works, Norfolk Co

tcreef1 — 2009-05-20 13:30:37Z

Hi jadfed,

Thanks for all of the info. Do you have any more specific names and dates for Ludford's siblings? I have no record of a Sammy or a Lillian. I have Anna L., Rufus, Grady, George (half-brother), and that's it. Any other info you coul dprovide would be much appreciated.

-Tim

Norfolk County, VA, Will Book H, 1637-1753

RudyBurgess — 2009-04-11 21:13:38Z

Seeking to purchase a copy of Norfolk County, VA, Will Book H 1637-1753.

George Burgess, Elizabeth River area, Norfolk County, VA circa 1723

RudyBurgess — 2009-04-09 23:27:18Z

Researching origins and ancestors of George Burgess, Elizabeth River area, Norfolk County, VA whose will is dated January 28, 1723. Please email me at handsmrb@aol.com. Will share related research.

Re: St. Paul's Church and other rare VA information.

barbarakarcher53 — 2009-05-22 09:36:28Z

Dear Sir:

I have ancestors from Princess Anne County and specifly from the Pungo area of Virginia. Carroll or Carol is the surname and John Henry was my great grandfather. I can not find out who his father was and would appreaciate any information you have.

bkarcher@aol.com

Thank you so much.

Re: Norfolk Southern Railroad

egor194 — 2009-08-15 21:33:14Z

Hello
I don`t know if this helps any but I did find James on 1900
Census living in Norfolk married to Georgia in 1898 with
daughter Rosa E.born 1898, also he had son from another marriage his name was William L. Barron married to Alice J.
sometime in 1900 they had atleast two children Mike M. born
1903 and James A. born 1905. William and Alice are buried at
Forest Lawn Cemetery Norfolk, Va.
I could not find James are Georgia in any Cemetery in Norfolk they may be in unmarked graves, You may want to
check with Elmwood or Cedar Grove Cemetery in Norfolk,Va.
His death was around 1906 that is were I would look.
Good Luck
Jack

Re: Norfolk Southern Railroad

egor194 — 2009-08-17 12:31:50Z

Hi Again
The fact that you found Georgia buried at Magnolia Cemetery
is a good sign, that means all is not lost yet. there is two things you can try and you might get Lucky.
One is contack Virginia Health Dept.Division of Vital Records in Richmond, Va. at P.O.1000 Richmond,Va.23218
for a death certificate on James. You know he was alive in
1900 and dead by 1906,they will seach up to 10 years for
and if they find it you will get a copy of Death Certificate.

Two: you are someone you get can Search in Norfolk Health
Dept.for the date of death. I have done both and had good luck.
It a good chance that Georgia may be buried next to James.
I hope this helps you GOOD LUCK.
Jack

Re: John Bunting

egor194 — 2009-08-17 10:07:48Z

Hello Mary Lou
Jack Here long time no see, Did you and your husband ever
make it to Pungo to see if you could find the old Jacob
Dudley farm, that you and I talked about a year ago. I may give you a call to talk to you about other family menbers.
Bye for now Jack

Re: St. Paul's Church and other rare VA information.

russelle123 — 2009-07-04 05:30:14Z

Joi,
I would like a copy of your book "An Adventure of Faith"/ a history of St Paul's Church, Norfolk, Va. if it is still available. My ancesters were very early ministers in Norfolk and Porthsmouth and I would enjoy reading your research.

Russell C. Etheridge III

Re: Colonial traders,mariners in VA

awilliamsonjonak — 2009-04-03 14:25:34Z

Thanks for the help! AWJ

Re: Colonial traders,mariners in VA

awilliamsonjonak — 2009-04-03 14:24:56Z

Thanks so much! Good luck with your research, too. AWJ

Re: Colonial traders,mariners in VA

awilliamsonjonak — 2009-04-03 02:14:40Z

Quick and possibly easy question: I'm researching an ancestor from the 1860s who was a ship's navigator. He lived near the Chesapeake & Albemarle Canal, near Norfolk. It's likely he sailed out of Norfolk or Portsmouth. I'd like to learn about his travels during the Civil War. Do you have any idea what records were kept about merchant ships' crews in the 1800s? Any ideas where I might find some prospects? Norfolk newspapers haven't helped much. Thanks! AWJ

Re: St. Paul's Church and other rare VA information.

annegirucky958 — 2009-09-10 00:40:08Z

Please I would love a copy