Norfolk County [1636-1963] - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Gray cousins

Cindyobx15 — 2013-05-07 19:01:34Z

You found us! :) I was searching and came across this. I didn't know you posted this a few years ago.

Re: St. Brides Parish

nkh200 — 2013-03-24 19:58:39Z

I know I'm really late to this thread, but I'm looking for someone I think was buried at st brides. I know from these threads there are 4 gravesites marked there, but surely there were more? perhaps they were moved? How to access the publications you all refer to?

Re: Taylor

ToddMoberly — 2013-03-24 13:04:47Z

Thank you for taking the time to look up the Taylor information! John Taylor was appt. guardian of Thomas Carney in 1775, orphan of John Carney.

The administrator's bond in 1810 sounds promising!

QUESTION: I assume that this John Taylor for whom Carney served as administrator died intestate; WHERE WOULD I BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THE ESTATE SETTLEMENT PER SE? I am hoping that an administrator's final settlement and distribution of assets would be included in that documentation.

At least, if the heirs at law were included, I would know of a biological connection, etc. in absence of a will. I am speculating that John Taylor was an uncle on his maternal side (which is an unknown) but likely one of the names that I keep seeing, i.e., Grimes, Deans, Bruce, Creech, Powell, Tart, Avis, etc.

Can you tell me where one might find a final settlement?

Thanks again,

Todd

PS If real estate was involved, I have not yet seen a deed with Carney as grantor, but it may be there. Still searching deeds on microfilm.

Re: Taylor

reagable — 2013-03-22 17:27:05Z

I can't address how the Taylor, Carney and Grimes families are related, but I can tell you it was quite common for a man to become a guardian for a female he wanted to marry.
A guardian was appointed when there was property (land or slaves) to be protected and administered. If there wasn't then a guardian was not appointed. When an orphan became 14 he/she could chose a guardian. In this case I'm sure Sarah was old enough to chose a guardian and she chose the man she was going to marry. The marriage needed the permission of the parent or guardian if the female was under age so the guardianship just provided that person to give permission for the marriage - it wasn't a guardianship as in one managing the estate of the orphan. I did notice that Thomas and John (probably siblings) received a guardian the same day in court and their guardian was James Grimes - probably another sibling.

I also noticed that neither James Grimes or Thomas Carney filed a guardian account for any of those orphans, so IMHO the guardianship was just to give permission for the marriage. With Sarah getting a guardian the relative James Grimes probably figured he needed to protect the other two orphans.

I checked wills for John Taylor and all three which seem applicable time wise were really nothing to write home about. On admin bonds there were 5 between 1810 and 1837 for John Taylors. One of note was the one dated 18 Jun 1810 - Thomas Carney was the administrator :-) Additional security for thet $600 bond was provided by Thomas Tart.

Sounds like you need to buy all the Norfolk County books available :-) Check out http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncfrsnnc/ for a complete list with the Guardian Accounts book coming out in the next couple of weeks.

Taylor

ToddMoberly — 2013-03-21 21:55:25Z

Thomas Carney married Sarah Grimes in Norfolk in 1792, and a John Taylor was bondsman. His sister Martha or "Patsey" Carney married James Carney in 1798.

Does anyone know who this John Taylor was and what his relationship may have been to Thomas Carney or Sarah Grimes? Curiously, Thomas was appointed guardian of Sarah Grimes the same year he married her, a handy arrangement.

I am speculating that Thomas may have been related to Sarah, or to John but not sure how, possibly through the Grimes family?

Any help appreciated.

Re: Norfolk County Orphanages or Children's Homes

Chuckatuck — 2013-03-15 05:06:00Z

Looked this up for you. Westhaven Baptist Church is on the corner of King St and Caroline. The old Children's Home was next door to the church. Caroline runs the length of the entrance of the Holiday House for children. The road by the church is County St. The opposite side is Columbia St. Portsmouth Orphans Home. The web address I found this on reads (Get a map.net) put in search --Portsmouth Orphans Home(North-South) . You might try Court Street Library and ask them do they have any information on Orphanages in Portsmouth. Hope this will help. Gale This was the property of the old home that once stood there. Went there when Willie and Lucille Bailey were Matrons. My kinfolk.

Re: Norfolk County Orphanages or Children's Homes

Chuckatuck — 2013-03-14 16:16:21Z

I want to encourage you. I have been working for my grandfather and grandmothers people. My family is looking for mothers. My people were Finley and Bailey and Peake. Norfolk County and Portsmouth. Grandfather was from the Eastern Shore.
If you could share names I lived in this area all my life.If you don't care to do this I will understand. Gale

Re: Norfolk County Orphanages or Children's Homes

CJROBERTS — 2013-03-14 02:49:31Z

Thanks. I can look to see if that location was anywhere near where they were living at the time. Since my original post, I haven't come any closer to discovering if my grandfather did actually have children with his first wife or not.

Re: Norfolk County Orphanages or Children's Homes

Chuckatuck — 2013-03-14 02:27:48Z

Portsmouth boys home was next door to West Haven Baptist Church. Know the church is on the corner of King Street. Don't know the other street unless I go by there. A home for children was built in place of the old home that was on the property.Called Holiday House.My kin folk ran the home for a number of years. I really don't know anything about the one that was torn down. Hope this will get to you and help. Gale

Harry Winfield Mills 1875-1931

Stidd69 — 2013-03-11 14:22:33Z

Trying to trace back my great grandfather. I am somewhat desperate for help after having looked a long time on my own and would be extremely grateful to anyone who can point me in the right direction. I already have all the official records I know of (census, military, etc.) but Virginia and Maryland records, where most of the clues are likely to be, contain many mysteries. There is no official birth record for him in Virginia.

His records fairly consistently claim a birth date on or about April 1, 1875, in Norfolk, Virginia, although his 1920 census claims a Maryland birthplace.

His father’s birthplace is variously listed as Virginia (West?) and Maryland; his mother’s birthplace is listed as Maryland and “at sea (U.S.)”.

He was in Chicago in 1908 when he enlisted in the U. S. Army and shipped out to Oregon. These are the earliest records I have of him.

His military papers list, as a connection, a cousin, one Alice Murphy of Vienna, Maryland. I have some suspicion that this may be the Alice Murphy who a few years later married George Bramble in Dorchester County, as I am part of the Ancestry DNA program, and have numerous cousin hits to descendants of the Bramble, Meredith, Mills, Moore, Murphy, Pritchett, etc. families who intermarried so much over the years in Dorchester County. I have no other connections to Maryland besides my great grandfather before the 17th-18th century, so while not proof this may be a good lead.

The 1874 Norfolk, VA phone directory lists exactly one Caucasian Mills, a W H Mills, oysterman, living in Atlantic City. It is quite possible that he was Harry’s father, or this could be a red herring. The child of a Chesapeake oysterman might well have the uncertainty about birthplace that my great grandfather showed in his paperwork, however.

Either his father or his mother may have some sort of roots in County Armagh, Ireland – or not, that’s anecdotal from family history, and might just as easily pertain his wife Nina Belle Moore’s ancestors, although I can trace them back some ways in the USA with confidence.

From late 1908 he spent as far as I know the rest of his life in Oregon, first in the military at Fort Stevens and then working for the Westport Lumber Company, where he was a foreman.

His most likely time of death is in 1931 but there is so far as I know no death record. Another anecdotal family story is that he was shot in some kind of bank robbery. I don’t know if there is a way to access Oregon criminal history records, but that might pinpoint time of death. I have not located an obituary, since the cost for searching over a whole year or more has so far been prohibitive and I live a long way from Oregon so can’t easily do it myself, but that is another possible source of more information. He lived in Portland in Multnomah County but often worked inWestport in Clatsop County.

His military records showed that he had multiple rather impressive scars when he joined. I have sometimes wondered if one or both of his parents died young or if he was born out of wedlock – although he worked with his hands and joined at 33, so there are any number of possible explanations. Booth is another possible first name for his father, and Winfield could be his mother’s last name, but I think those are just guesses of my grandfather’s from before he passed on.

I can be reached by message here at Ancestry or at sean.stidd@juno.com if you have any helpful information. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Grimes Family

ToddMoberly — 2013-02-28 00:23:17Z

I am operating on a theory that my ancestor Charity Bruce Carney Hodges was a GRIMES prior to her three marriages between 1770 and 1783.
In 1773, Wm Carney and a Deans were security for the administrator of the estate of John Grimes; William was Charity's second husband and they were married probably by that time.
Is anyone out there knowledgeable of the Grimes family?

I also find that in Norfolk records, the name Charity is not particularly common; in 1753, James Bachelor was given administration of the estate of Charity Grymes (sic).

Was Charity the mother of John Grimes or is her identity known?

Re: Buxton and Bruce

Yamel861 — 2013-02-25 16:41:46Z

BUXTON is a fairly prominent name on the Peninsula (N.News, Hampton, etc.) Mary Immaculate Hospital was originally Buxton Hospital. My attorney is a Buxton. Don't know if this is any help.

Re: Buxton and Bruce

reagable — 2013-02-20 23:33:06Z

As a female I can understand her leaving the estate to her daughter-in-law. Under the laws at the time, the land normally went to the oldest son by primogenture. If James had died, his wife would have gotten 1/3rd of his land during her natural life and that might not have been enough to support her.

A female normally had more compassion for the fate of a widow or a female in general. For example if she had dower in land then she did have something, but the next husband would control it. If she owned land outright, her husband would own the land when they married...married women didn't own land.

I don't research the Carneys but I have abstracted a lot of Norfolk County data for books. As far as land sales, children who inherit land don't always have the respect for the land which a person who bought the land would have. Have you looked for a sheriff's sale for back taxes or a deed of trust which in turn was lost due to the debt not being paid?

Most of the Norfolk County families were inter-related and not many early marriage records survive.

Sharon Rea Gable

Re: Buxton and Bruce

ToddMoberly — 2013-02-20 23:06:32Z

Thank you so much for the insight. Frankly, I had hoped, somehow, to determine Charity's maiden name. It is very telling that she left one third of her estate to her daughter in law Martha, EVEN IF her son James died without issue.

What is your take on this? Offhand, it would seem that Martha who was already a Carney, could have been a niece of Charity by blood. Even Charity's own daughters had to split one third under this contingency plan. As it was of course, James did live.

I had hoped to find some land transfers whereby son James did sell land he inherited from his father, and presumably his mother, but no such deed can be found.

Thanks again,

Todd

Re: Buxton and Bruce

reagable — 2013-02-20 17:32:05Z

I don't think there is any doubt that Edward was the son of Abraham Bruce as you had already discovered. The guardian bond dated 20 Feb 1783 listed three children under age 21 - Richard, Edward and Charity - all with the guardian of Charity Carney (who we can probably call a black widow since she buried at least 3 husbands in 11 years!).

My guess would be that Thomas Bruce - the heir to 2/3rds of his father's land died an infant without issue around 1783. At that point Charity took responsiblity of the land through becoming a guardian to her children and/or step-children as they became heirs to their brother's land.

As far as Abraham not listing but one son in his will - that was all he needed to list. Virginia was under primogenture in 1785, so even if he didn't list Thomas (evidently his oldest)he still would have inherited the estate minus the dower. It wasn't necessary to list other children as they did not inherit anything.

Buxton and Bruce

ToddMoberly — 2013-02-19 12:09:02Z

Just obtained will of 5th gr grandmother CHARITY Hodges, 1800, Norfolk. Witnesses include Nathaniel and Mary Buxton, whose names I had not encountered. Is there a relationship?

I am descended from her previous marriage to Wm Carney (will, 1778). James appears to be the only son of that marriage. However, when Charity makes her will she left James' wife Martha one third of the estate if James died without issue, which is very unusual and points to some other kinship I would think.
the daughter in law Martha Carney WAS a Carney as well, and married James only months before Charity made her will.

Another curious item is that in the event of James' death, Charity left one third of her estate to "my son Edward Bruce". This is presumably the Edward Bruce for whom Charity was named guardian in 1783, "one of the orphans of Abraham Bruce".

More confusing is that there is indeed a will in 1772 for an Abraham Bruce, leaving widow Charity, but names only one son, Thomas, who upon becoming legal age gets two thirds of the estate. No mention made of another son. It is possible that the orphans were those of Thomas Bruce, and not technically Abraham, but yet his heirs and grandchildren.

Any help appreciated.

Re: 1712 Will of John Fulcher

lesartis — 2013-02-12 21:45:43Z

yes its the land that the norfolk navel base resides on . the area is called sewells point

Gibbs/Brinson/Cason

rjgrant686 — 2013-02-10 18:52:38Z

>>>>I am looking for more information on the Gibbs from Hyde county as well and further back to the Gibbs family in Europe and also Brinson/Cason names in England (before the 1700s). Starting with my grandfather :

*Melvin Grey Gibbs (1935-2010)NC - (Married Mary Chambers)

->Floyd Earl Gibbs (1906-1981)NC - (Married Reggie Louise Bowden)

-Warren Walter Gibbs (1871-1940)Lake Landing NC -

-Milton Selby Gibbs (1834-1904)NC - (Married Mary Dorcas Spencer?)

-Carney Gibbs (1795-1872)Hyde NC -(Married Polly Affa Spencer?)

>>>*After this is where I become unsure. Listed as the father of Carney Gibbs I have :

***Cason Gibbs Jr. (1773-Unknown)Hyde NC - (Married to Unknown)

***Cason Gibbs Sr. (1749-1826?)Hyde NC - (Married to Dinah Bartee?*Had multiple wives possibly 3? Dinah was the first wife I believe so I have seen it listed that Cason Jr was her son)

***Joseph Gibbs Sr (1720?-1794)Hyde NC - (Married to Mary Brinson *link to Brinson and Cason names in England? Need more information on Mary Brinson (daug of Cason Grey Brinson and Frances Marsh?) Any record that she married Joseph or anymore info would be great. This seems to be my link to the Brinson/Cason family in England which I have possibly followed back to John Cason *Hertfordshire 1560 and Richard Cason *Hertforshire 1490**See Bottom of post**)

***Henry Gibbs (1693-1763?)Hyde NC? - (Married to Ann/Jane Spencer?Speculation only have not found much information)

***Henry John Gibbs (1675-?) England (Died in Virginia?) - (Married to Mary? Last name unknown)

***Thomas Gibbs? (Unknown) England? - (All unknown* All speculation as well, this was the only name I ran across in England that was linked to Henry Gibbs)
*****End of Gibbs*****
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<*> Maybe this could help someone or you have came across these names before. I have been searching on the UK's ancestry site with not much luck since I don't really know what area to search. The closest I have is Henry John Gibbs wife Mary? may have died in Somerset England but I have no source to prove it. <*>
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*-Mary Brinson 1728-Unknown-Alamance County?
->Marys Father: *>Cason Grey Brinson 1693-1765-New Bern NC
->Casons Father: >Matthew Brinson 1641-1703-Essex England Died in Prince William Va?
-Casons Mother: >*Mary Cason 1673-1699?-Prince William Va?
-Matthew Brinsons Father: ~~Thomas Brinson Sr?-1610-1676-Essex England Princess Anne Va.
-Mary Casons Father: James Cason-1662-1722-Unknown
-James Casons Father: Thomas Cason-1636-1655-? England possibly Hertsfordshire?
-Thomas Casons Father: Thomas Cason Sr-1604-1651-Hertfordshire England-Princess Anne Va
-Thomas Cason Srs Father: John Cason-1584-1614-Hertfordshire England-Possibly Princess Anne/Prince William Va.
-John Casons Father:John Cason-1560-1623-Hertfordshire England *Married Joane Swynsed?*
-John Casons Father:Edward Cason-1538?-1580-Hertfordshire England
-Thomas Cason-1513-1580-Cambridge?
-Robert Cason-1490-1550-Ware, Hertfordshire, England
*****End of Cason******
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~~Thomas Brinson Sr?-1610-1676-Essex England Princess Anne Va.(Married Joane Hamlin?)
-Thomas Brinson Srs Father: Robert B. Brinson-1588-1613-Essex England-Prince William Va?
*****End of Brinson*****
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Re: Carney

ToddMoberly — 2013-02-06 11:13:21Z

Thank you, and I will follow up with John Taylor, and the land records. There were two Thomas Carney marriages, and I am theorizing for now they were the same--the 1792 marriage to Grimes, and the 1806 marriage to a Bruce. The Bruce, Grimes and Carney families are heavily intertwined.
Thanks again for the help,

Todd

Re: Carney

reagable — 2013-02-05 16:40:57Z

You might want to consider John Carney as a possible father of Thomas. Wingo's guardian book has Ann, Mary, Thomas and Matthew as the orphans of John in a 20 Apr 1775 bond. This bond doesn't mention Martha but it could mean one of two things...she went by multiple names (such as Martha Ann) or she had a different mother and therefore didn't fall under the same inheritance which these 4 children fell under.

The reason I suggest considering this Thomas is that the guardian was John Taylor. A John Taylor was also the surety for the marriage of Thomas to Sarah Grimes in 1792. Often a guardian served as a surety for a young person who had just come of age. The other thing to consider is if you eliminate this John (who didn't have a will) as the father then you need to be concerned with two Thomas' of the same general age in Norfolk County at the same time (very possible). Suggest tracking the land to see which Carney is which.

Carney

ToddMoberly — 2013-02-04 02:16:00Z

Searching for parentage of Thomas Carney (c1770-1836) who m (1) Sarah Grimes, 1792 and (2) Sarah Bruce, 1806 and his sister (my 4th gr grandm) Martha "Patsey" Carney who married James Carney in Norfolk in 1798.
The Bruce, Grimes and Myers names come up often with the Carneys in Norfolk, so may be a close connection to one or more these families.

Carney

ToddMoberly — 2013-02-04 02:15:51Z

Re: Bruce Family in Norfolk County

utee72 — 2013-01-31 02:39:46Z

"Abstract of Norfolk County Wills" by Charles Fleming McIntosh, 1922-

Re: Bruce Family in Norfolk County

ToddMoberly — 2013-01-30 11:56:07Z

Thanks for prompt reply; makes me wonder if the Wm Carney and Abraham Bruce were son in law and father in law. I would lay money, yes, but have not had time to chase down Bruce family wills. It was one Abraham Bruce, whose orphans were placed under the guardianship of Charity (?Bruce) Carney in 1783. The 1750 Abraham may be the same one who left a will in 1772, which I have not had opportunity to find abstract of. I suspect that there was an Abraham, Jr., most probably the one who died c1783.

If you should run across anything else pertinent to the Bruces, please let me hear from you, and thanks again.

Todd

Re: Bruce Family in Norfolk County

utee72 — 2013-01-30 03:01:24Z

Don't know if this is useful to you but your Carney's, Bruces and my Deans are often mentioned and adjacent to each other in:

Norfolk County Titheables 1730-1750
" " " 1766-1780.

They are in the north side of the Western Branch precinct.

A William Carney is titheable with Abraham Bruce in 1750.

No mention of William and James Carney together in either volume but James Carney is titheable with Samuel Carney showing 300acres land in June 1771.

My supposed 5th GGF James Daines married a Diana Bruce abt 1735 likely in this Western Branch area per a Norfolk County will.

Remember these lists are NOT complete and are just records of people living together in the titheable year. Essentially males of 16 years and upward were considered titheable.

People of same surname on the same entry were very likely father and sons but no guarantee as they could be farming partners etc.

Probably just adds to your confusion but that's about all I have.

Jim Deans

Bruce Family in Norfolk County

ToddMoberly — 2013-01-29 11:51:30Z

My 4th great grandfather James Carney was the son of William and Charity Carney, whose maiden name may have been BRUCE. Charity was made guardian of the infant children of a Bruce, perhaps a brother in 1783. In her will, Charity refers to her "son" Edward Bruce, most likely her nephew that she raised, when she wrote her will in 1800.
The Bruces and Carneys had generations of interactions, both in Virginia and Kentucky.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Re: Early Black Burial Sites

rgray68 — 2012-12-24 15:58:37Z

Thank you. I think I will do that. I appreciate your help.

Re: Early Black Burial Sites

reagable — 2012-12-24 14:27:02Z

I don't know of any one who has easy access to death records in VA :-)
What I have is abstracted data which I've done for the death certificates for 1912-1917 found in the vault in the records room of the Chesapeake courthouse and deaths from 1904-1910 which were either in the death register or in the surviving burial permits (again at the Chesapeake courthouse). Your William doesn't exist in either one.

The Library of Virginia has images of the early death records for Norfolk County, but statewide registration didn't begin until 1912. You might want to contact them.

Re: Early Black Burial Sites

rgray68 — 2012-12-24 01:25:34Z

If you have easy access to the Norfolk County death records, do you have information on William H. Gray. He was born in Virginia around 1860. He has lived in Sleepy Hole, Nansemond and Western Branch, Norfolk. I am trying to find out if he is also the son of Charles and Mary Gray. Thanks!

Re: Early Black Burial Sites

rgray68 — 2012-12-24 00:38:59Z

That sounds like her! Thank you so much! That was the only family that I know of that moved in Deep Creek. My family started in Southampton. From there they went to the Sleepy Hole, Nansemond and Western Branch, Norfolk. After that, they started moving to Portsmouth, Mt. Hermon. I know that there are many buried at Lincoln Memorial Cemetery on Deep Creek Blvd. in Portsmouth. I will let you know if I come across anything though.

Robin

Re: Wonycott - Scott

reagable — 2012-12-18 00:42:51Z

PLENTY - Need to be specific as to what you need as Veale was a very prolific family.
Thomas Veale was a member of the court, a doctor, a preacher, etc so he has his name everywhere.

Re: Wonycott - Scott

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-18 00:31:54Z

Thanks - there is definitely a connection there, but perhaps through one of Thomas' sons! I think this Abigail would have been too old to have children into 1808. Interesting to see the Veale name again too! Are there any Veale entries in the sources you have? That's my only question this time!

Re: Wonycott - Scott

reagable — 2012-12-17 12:57:23Z

Some days you're lucky and some days you aren't - but this is still your lucky day.

In McIntosh's abstracts of Norfolk County wills I found the will of Thomas Scott written 25 Sep 1749 and proved 20 Oct 1749. He mentions his wife Martha, his brother David Scott and then starts on his children and grandchildren....son John, son Thomas, son William (who BTW got 220 acres in Princess Anne County as well as 200 acres in Norfolk Co), dau Elizabeth Harbard, dau Frances Veal, dau Margaret Scott, my wife Martha's eldest son who is called James Scott who gets one shilling, dau Abigall Scott, son Samuel, dau Agnes Scott, dau Dina Scott, son Solomon , grandson Thomas Scott son of Thomas, grandson Samuel Veal, granddau Elizabeth Harbard. Sons John and William were appointed executors.

I'm sure you'll have more questions after this :-)

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-17 01:10:36Z

Again thanks! I seem to be getting quite lucky here! Frances was the youngest child of Nicholas & Aphia, born in 1761 and David Porter was her brother-in-law, married to her sister, Ann.
The Veale and Scott surnames also feature promimently with this family and I'm sorting through them now. I suspect Tenant Scott (m. Ann Wonycott), Abigail Scott (m. Nicholas Wonycott) and Thomas Scott of the 1823 Guardian Bond are all interconnected somehow.
Thanks again for all your help with this!

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

reagable — 2012-12-17 00:35:45Z

Everytime I tell you that's everything I see something else. In the book I'm working on of odd children who didn't have guardian bonds, I found Nicholas. At court on 20 April 1775 it was ordered that the church wardens of Elizabeth River Parish bind Nicholas Wonycott to Gilchrist and Taylor according to law. This was an indenture or apprencticeship and Gilchrist and Taylor was a company but I can't tell you what they did.

At court 19 Dec 1776 Frances Wonycott chose David Porter as her guardian. The fact that she chose her guardian means she was older than 14.

I'm still working on my book I'm calling Orphans and Bastards from the Minute Books, so I might find more. I'll be publishing them in that upcoming book :-)

Re: Wonycott - Admin Bonds

reagable — 2012-12-17 00:28:59Z

Sorry 1833....I was looking at the wrong line.
I haven't found any other guardian records for Wonycotts (so far)

Re: Wonycott - Admin Bonds

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-16 23:17:23Z

Thank you! I found a marriage of a James Veale to Miss Abigail Wonycott in 1822. I suspect she may also have been a child of Nicholas - did the guardian records you provided earlier have any other entries for Wonycott? One online source has Nicholas' wife as Abigail Scott. Perhaps a sister to Tenant Scott who married Rebecca Wonycott. Their son, Tenant, seems to have married Annis Veale. Still untangling all the branches on this one.
BTW - is the bond date for Edward 1820 or 1833?

Re: Wonycott - Admin Bonds

reagable — 2012-12-15 21:22:58Z

Since Admin Bonds are as hard to locate as Guardian Bonds - here's the info on them....
Capt. Edward Wonycott 17 Jan 1820, administrator Robert Moriset with additional security by J.W. Murdaugh for a bond of $10,000
Elizabeth Wonycott 17 Jan 1820 Administrator Josiah Schoolfield with additional security by John Schoolfield and James Tatem for a bond of $2,000
Mathew Wonycott 18 Jan 1836 administrator Samuel Haynes with security by George Grant and James Taylor for $6,000 bond
William Wonycott 21 Mar 1814 administrator Cornelius Eastwood with security by James Carney and William Bruce for a bond of $4,000

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

reagable — 2012-12-15 21:16:21Z

They have some in the records room at the Chesapeake Court house, some at the Library of Virginia and some at the Library of Virginia Annex in Richmond. They are not all together but mixed in with other records in some cases just like the guardian bonds. And no, they are not online

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-15 17:49:30Z

Thanks once more for all your help with this. My James was a witness in Richmond in 1848 at the marriage of a James Veal and I notice the surname several times in the references you have provided. It helps it all link together nicely.
Where would I obtain copies of the Adm. Bonds you mention below? I'm assuming they are not online?

Re: Fred L. SAUNDERS from Portsmouth

leostar7 — 2012-12-15 04:10:37Z

I don't have any additional information. If you ever find out yours is related to my Fred L. Saunders, please let me know.
Thanks.

Re: Fred L. SAUNDERS from Portsmouth

Shane_bradby14 — 2012-12-15 03:43:37Z

I have a lovey or lovie Saunders from Portsmouth that I am connected. She was born in 1898. I'm still trying to gather more info.

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

reagable — 2012-12-13 14:35:56Z

21 was the age to enter into a contract and a guardian bond was a contract - especially since a guardian bond meant that you were taking over the financial aspects of the ward

There are early marriages, but most of them didn't survive. All dates are bond dates -
1 Jan 1792 William Wonycutt married Margaret Jenkins orphan of James Jenkins. Nicholas was the surety
20 Apr 1778 John Lello married Mary Wonycott. Edward Wonycott was the surety
2 Jul 1770 David Porter married Ann Wonnycott dau of Nicholas. Surety was Matthew Godfrey
15 Jul 1778 Tenant Scott married Rebecca Wonycott. Surety was Matthew Godfrey

The earlier Nicholas must have died ca 1773 as the tithable list has Aphia (female) reporting his slaves in 1774. None of his sons were listed before 1780 when the last abstracted tithables were done - white males were taxed at 18.

There were administrative bonds filed for Capt. Edward (1833), Elizabeth (1820), Mathew (1836) and William (1814) if any of those interest you. Nicholas was surety for an admin bond for Robert Mackie in 1769. Nicholas also signed a bond with Augustine Slaughter for $20,000 in 1795 for James S. Matthews. Matthews was appointed to collect and preserve the goods of Samuel Veale when the will was contested.

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-13 11:15:33Z

Thanks so much for your help and the link to the Chancery records. I am finding quite alot of information here on other VA lines too!

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

reagable — 2012-12-13 00:06:03Z

I can't tell you exactly where those several guardian bonds are. I can tell you where all of the bonds are ....some in the Chesapeake Courthouse Records room, some in the Library of Virginia and some in the Library of Virginia Annex. We (me and my co-author) searched all the bonds at those three locations to create a book of the guardian bonds (Norfolk County Virginia Guardian Bonds 1801-1850 by Sharon Rea Gable and Truitt M. Bonney). A lot, but not all, of those records are also available on microfilm from the Library of VA through interlibrary loan. Some of the bonds we found were not filmed.

You can check out all of our Norfolk County books (and order some :-) ) at the Family Research Society of Northeastern NC web site http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncfrsnnc/

The chancery records are available at the Library of Virginia, but the online index will tell you if they have anything which might help.... http://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/ At some point they will be putting those chancery records on line (as funds permit). If you can wait for them to go online you can order the record from the Library of Virginia.

I don't know of any of these Norfolk County records being online which is why Truitt and I created all these books....we needed the information as well.

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-12 23:58:51Z

Another question - was 18 the age at which someone could become a legal guardian in 1822, which would indicate that Nicholas was the elder brother. Edward Wonycott is a son of Nicholas Sr and Tenant Scott a son-in-law. I would think their father, Nicholas, was also a son of Nicholas Sr.
Are there early marriages available that might show who Nicholas Jr married?

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-12 23:48:26Z

This is great and looks like it would fit well with my James! Thanks very much for your posting. How would I get copies of these documents or find the reference you provided online?
I really appreicate your help - it can be difficult to find primary sources from here in Canada.

Steve

Re: Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

reagable — 2012-12-12 13:50:29Z

There's a guardian bond for James and Nicholas dated 18 Dec 1815. They are listed as the orphans of Nicholas Wonycott and George Leslie was their guardian with the $4,000 bond secured by John Talbot and John Owens. That bond was marked out and two separate bonds were completed for the two orphans on 20 Feb 1816. Everything was the same on these bonds at $2,000 each except for the second surety - which was Joel Watts.
Nicholas didn't have another surviving guardian bond but may have been the one who married Elizabeth Walker in Norfolk (city) with a bond dated 15 May 1822.

James had another guardian bond dated 21 Jan 1822 with Nicholas as his guardian with the $2,500 bond secured by Edward Wonycott and Tenant Scott. He then had another bond dated 21 July 1823 with Thomas Scott as his guardian with security of the $1,500 bond by Beverly Bayton and James Veale.

It's also interesting to note that there are no surviving guardian accounts for James or Nicholas.

You might find something in the chancery files at Library of Virginia (index on line)

Wonycott - Portsmouth/Norfolk Co

smarshall2071 — 2012-12-11 01:03:34Z

Looking for details on any Wonycott families in Portsmouth or Norfolk Co in c1800-1820. My James Wonycott was born there in c1808 and later went to Richmond. I suspect he was a grandson or great-grandson of Nicholas Wonycott (b.1722), but haven't found the link as yet.
Any leads appreciated.

A Christmas Wish remains a Mystery 63 years later!!!

meadows23834 — 2012-12-09 23:32:08Z

Would love to find any family connected.

The Graham, Mitchell search remains a Mystery.

A Christmas wish of a five year old, remains a wish 63 years later to a senior citizen.

My father, William Graham disappeared July 1949. My mother, my sister, nor I know what happened to him.

Every year as the joy of Christmas draws near there is this wish of a child that's been with me all my life. The wish that my father might return home would be the greatest gift that I could receive.

63 years have past, no father. The wish is alive and well. As a senior citizen, my wish is to hear from any family members that may be still living.

I have left no stone unturned in my search, its as if he disappeared off the face of the earth. Please know that I expect no one to try and find him. Want to share with others, maybe this Christmas the right person will read this note.

A little information about Mr. Graham:

William Graham born April 5, 1906 died ?????. SS# 044-12-1321. I did send for SS-5 forum. This record states William Graham (No Middle Name listed) was the S/o William Graham and Ethel Mitchell, born in Philadelphia, Pa., Have not been able to locate a birth record or information concerning his parents.
Met my mother in Newport News, Va. Married my mother, Anna Maschek in Camden, North Carolina Jan. 1940.

Records say that Graham was born in Philadelphia County, Pa. No census record was ever found. Graham joined the Merchant Marines abt. 1926. Aborad ship he traveled all over the United States and other countries. I have a picture of Mr. Graham if anyone is interested.

Thank you for reading about my wish,

Dorothy Graham Meadows