Botetourt - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Joseph Layman

rjdante — 2013-05-31 17:58:56Z

I have info on a Joseph Layman who died 6 days after the battle of the First Manassas on July 27, 1861. An ancestor of yours?

Re: Susan Virginia Nuckles 1829-1898

smsgmax25 — 2013-04-30 00:51:20Z

Great! Thanks for the reply. i will put together some questions.
Scott Maxwell

Re: Susan Virginia Nuckles 1829-1898

CLBlatt — 2013-04-29 16:21:00Z

I have lots of information on the Carroll family and also I have several pictures...more than happy to help...I live Cabell County Area but have never heard of Botetourt..

Re: Diadema Mann

wanda123298 — 2013-04-09 20:31:09Z

Since we both seem to have done a great deal of our own research,used the best researchers possible and have both read numerous Chronicles on Va.Settlements etc.,we will each have to use what we feel is the correct info.I thank you for passing on your info.

Re: Diadema Mann

indiana — 2013-04-09 19:20:05Z

John Mann II born c1726/1727 died Nov 10,1778. He 1st married Abilgail Dickenson, c1756 and 2) married Frances Elizabeth Carpenter, called Damis on Mar 9, 1760 Orange Co, Va, (current day Augusta). I do not know if there were children born to Abigail, I assume so but I have not identified them.

My source for these two marriages were from the Carpenter researchers, who are very good researchers. Also Chronicles of the Scotch Irish Settlement of Virginia and various other Va Books.

I do not have access to Ancestry.co.uk so I can not comment on what it says.

Norma Ooley Herman

Re: Diadema Mann

wanda123298 — 2013-04-09 13:06:59Z

Jumping in again for the third time this morning.According to ancestry.co.uk Damish was born 1730,died 1883.Since John died in 1778 I'm thinking Damish was the second wife.Will be taking a closer look at the marriage records.

Re: Diadema Mann

wanda123298 — 2013-04-09 12:49:56Z

I should also add that my records show the name Damish Francis Carpenter ,I keep using Francis Damish by mistake.

Re: Diadema Mann

wanda123298 — 2013-04-09 12:45:32Z

These are the records I have and ancestry.co.uk:
John l married Francis Elizabeth Carpenter in 1736.
John II 1727-1778,married Francis Damish Carpenter born about 1750.His 2nd.wife was Francis Elizabeth Damrish.Since divorce was almost unheard of then I am assuming Damis passed away?
Please share any info.you have on the Mann family and I will do the same.
I have read that there was a strong bond between Carpenters and Manns from the beginning along with 2 or 3 other family's in Va.

Re: Diadema Mann

indiana — 2013-04-08 21:57:12Z

Hi all I am jumping on this conversation as they are my ancesters.
John Mann the 1st and his sons emigrated from Tyrone, Ulster, Ireland.
His Son John Mann, II married Frances Elizabeth "Damis" Carpenter, dau of Joseph Coles Carpenter & Phebe Smith,
their 3 sons, Asa, Moses & John went to Ky. They were there for the 1790 Census, by 1800 John was in Green Co, KY.
NOW THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO DID HE MARRY?
He was my gr gr gr grandfather.

Norma Ooley Herman nlherman@sbcglobal.net

Re: Diadema Mann

wanda123298 — 2013-04-08 18:51:05Z

My Grandmother was also a descendant of John Mann(Jr.or ll) and Damis
Francis Carpenter Mann.John Mann was the son of John Mann Sr.and Francis Elizabeth Carpenter.Interesting that she and Damis shared the same sur name.He emigrated from Ulster Ireland to Va.
Damis was the daughter of Joseph Carpenter Sr. and Judith Scott.Willing to share further info.

Re: Diadema Mann

wanda123298 — 2013-04-08 18:47:14Z

Re: Cavet (Cavit, Cavitt, Cavett)

lbauby — 2013-03-21 22:12:01Z

Will be glad to contact you. Hope we can fill in holes.

Re: Cavet (Cavit, Cavitt, Cavett)

PhyllisJaynes — 2013-03-14 22:30:06Z

Yes, I have information that I would share. I have not worked on the Cavets for quite a long time but would welcome comparing our information.

It would be easier to share the information if we used regular e-mail accounts, My e-mail is pejaynes@mac,com, I look forward to hearing from you,

Re: Cavet (Cavit, Cavitt, Cavett)

lbauby — 2013-03-03 23:02:04Z

This is years after your post, but... I am descended from them. They went to a part of NC that then became Tn. Have information, but not a lot for their time in Va. The family came from Scotland to Ireland to Pa. Do you have info to share and want what I have?

War of 1812 Rosters

palmerogro75 — 2013-02-26 18:25:50Z

I am looking for the Roster of Col James McDowell's Flying Camp roster. I am looking for Elijah, James & George Deaton.I need the company they were in and dates of service.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-21 23:30:37Z

Thank you Rena.

Re: Botetourt County Surnames

doreatr — 2013-02-21 23:06:07Z

11 2/25/1837 REDMAN, JACKSON JONES, ELIZABETH 398
36 8/9/1804 REDMAN, JOHN DEAL, CHRISTINA 142
50 3/13/1799 REDMAN, STEPHEN CLEMMONS, NANCY 105
43 9/28/1833 REDMAN, WILLIAM WHEELER, MARY ANN 369

These e Early Botetourt Count Marriges.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

doreatr — 2013-02-21 22:55:43Z

4 2/18/1826 BLACK, ABRAM HARTMAN, ELEANER 310
87 12/15/1841 BLACK, DAVID MOULS, MARGARET 429
PAGE DATE HIS NAME HER NAME MAS-PG
56 11/20/1804 BLACK, FREDERICK, JR. SNIDER, SUSANNA 145
49 1/26/1796 BLACK, JACOB LARK, BARBARA 84
5 1/18/1841 BLACK, JAMES L. MOORE, CASSANDRA A. 425
28 10/9/1826 BLACK, JOEL CARNEY, ELIZABETH 315
43 3/4/1830 BLACK, JOHN JAMES, PERLINA 340
52 4/1/1801 BLACK, SAMUEL BOOSE, LUCY 120
18 4/8/1807 BLACK, SAMUEL ROWLAND, AGNES 164
54 12/29/1818 BLACK, WILLIAM McDONALD, ANNE 257
2 1/18/1825 BLACK, WILLIAM PEAL, MARGARETT 303

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-15 12:28:25Z

Jon and Rena,
Thank you for your interest.
Laura

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

doreatr — 2013-02-15 02:59:02Z

Volume and page #'s

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

suzaq1954 — 2013-02-15 02:52:45Z

Laura, instead of making this thread 500 reply's, I'll just keep editing this one as I compile info.

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=0&dbid=7...

Found this 1820 census of Botetourt......right Jacob as far as you know? Catherine was already married of course.

Do you have copies of the court records that Rena posted below?

Found Jacob's property tax records for 1820, 1819, 1818, 1817 so far. What it tells me, along with his 1820 Census record is this:

1) After looking at pages of the taker's census' records its clear that Jacob had a son between the ages of 16-18 and one between 19-26. The taker incorrectly noted males for column's 3 and 4 seperately (technically he should have had 1 male 16-18, two males 16-26 counting the 16-18 year old twice). The 16-18 year old could be the Jacob mentioned in the article you linked (assuming he was born in 1802 as they stated).
2) Additionally, I found that Jacob was taxed for 2 male adults besides himself on the 1820 personal property tax records. The census shows the oldest two males as mentioned above. This means the 16-18 year old was 18 rather than 16-17, for he wouldn't have been taxed younger. This conjecture is further supported by the 1819 personal property tax record for Jacob, for the 17 year old is not taxed, but the older male is (18-25 in 1819). In 1818, this older male isn't counted, so the older male could either be born in 1801 (19 yrs in 1820) and be a son of Jacob, or this could be Catherine's husband Daniel (when was he born anyway?) assuming Catherine stayed with or moved back with her Father and Mother in 1819.
3) The 1820 Census has 3 children under the age of 10 and that Jacob's wife is over the age of 45. Are these her children (or at least ALL her children?) ..Unlikely. More likely these are grandchildren of Jacob and Barbara, and that the parents are either Catherine and Daniel or another sibling. Knowing Catherine and Daniels children's place of births could help. Do they have a separate 1820 census record that possibly living with Jacob and Barbara?

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

suzaq1954 — 2013-02-15 01:29:27Z

My bad....Volume number and page. Thank you, Rena.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

suzaq1954 — 2013-02-15 01:00:08Z

Thanks Rena.....switching to my fiance's ID for her subscription access....

Rena, the marriage record is self explanatory, but I'm not quite getting those court order records. Could you elaborate on the numbers?

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

doreatr — 2013-02-15 00:53:13Z

BLACK, JACOB 10 219
BLACK, JACOB 12 171,245,406,
BLACK, JACOB, JR. 10 387

INDEX CT. ORDERS 1770-1808

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

doreatr — 2013-02-15 00:45:33Z

49 1/26/1796 BLACK, JACOB LARK, BARBARA 84
Marriage in Botetourt County, Va.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-15 00:28:38Z

Not really. I've written to Rena and Loretta in Botetourt but nothing has ever turned up. Even the court papers for the Worrel citation is AOL.

I've focused on many of my husband's IL family because it is huge. I put Jacob aside while I worked on some others.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

joniterp62 — 2013-02-15 00:10:22Z

Gotcha!

I will let you know what I find. Out of curiosity, have you done much work on Jacob in Botetourt?

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-15 00:05:59Z

Hi Jon, I would love to know about Botetourt Jacob Black. Please do post any leads you can pass along.

Sorry I confused you with the article. I am fairly sure that Jacob is the brother of Catherine, son of Botetort Jacob. If Jacob senior was still alive, in the 1820s, I believe that he traveled to IL with the Kessler crew.

I can also tell you that the folks in Illinois really don't know about the man they honored in IL.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

joniterp62 — 2013-02-14 23:56:13Z

Hi Laura,

I'm confused on the link you provided, or perhaps I skim read it way to quickly. The article seems to say that that Jacob Black was born in 1801, and obviously couldn't have been Catherine's father, so I got lost in his connection to your Jacob. Isn't the article talking about a man who was in the Black Hawk War and was buried there in Illinois?

On what I can do for you is look into Jacob Black in Botetourt, and see what I can find. I've got some resources that may be helpful; we'll see. I'll post here what I find. My assumption is that he was born sometime before 1782, given that he was father of Catherine.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-14 21:39:40Z

Maybe I should've asked a different question for your first questions:"what do you know of Jacob Black, and what do you wish to know?"

So Jon, what can you tell me?

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-14 14:20:15Z

1) Yes, I'm "... interested in ancestral facts like possible parents of Jacob, even if he wasn't a military hero?"

2-3) No reply

4) Do you know about the Jacob Black buried in IL?

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

joniterp62 — 2013-02-14 04:32:15Z

1) I don't get into other people's tree books. Are you interested in ancestral facts like possible parents of Jacob, even if he wasn't a military hero?
2) Rena....could you tackle this one? (Was Jacob Black married to Barbara Lark?). She may know the answer to that if the marriage occurred in Botetourt.
3) I don't have enough info to research this question.
4) Obviously given the date of birth, the Jacob Black of your link is not the Jacob Black who fathered Catherine. Not sure what your looking for in that question.

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-02-14 00:25:28Z

Hi Jon and thank you,

My Jacob Black was the father of Catherine Black (b.1802) and the father-in-law of Daniel Kessler (Early marriages, wills, and some Revolutionary War records, Botetourt County, Virginia by Anne Lowry Worrell). These are my husband's ancestors lsited/cited/written about in Morris Kessler's "Out of the Blue Ridge."

Any primary sources or academic works?

Was Jacob Black married to Barbara Lark?

Did he serve in the War of 1812 and the Black Hawk War?

Is he buried in the Florey Cemetery, Ill http://mywebtimes.com/archives/ottawa/display.php?id=406770?

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

joniterp62 — 2013-02-13 23:39:19Z

what do you know of Jacob Black, and what do you wish to know?

Re: Botetourt County Surnames

maker_of_crafts — 2013-02-09 02:05:52Z

Christopher Brickey b.1785,wife Catharine Mingus,
his father was Jarrett ,mother Elizabeth Burkholder,
his father Peter,mother Winifred Lucas,
his father John(Jean Bricquet) Brickey
I Can trace it down from Christopher but need help going back up thank you ISABEL Brickey

Re: 1850 census Botetourt, Crowder, Gray, Armstrong

pamelarjohnson2 — 2013-02-08 00:35:08Z

Shirley, I am the ggrandaughter of Thomas Armstrong also, Maywood was my grandfather. I know you posted this ten years ago but my hopes are that you will still be on here, would love to trade info with you.
I have a picture of Thomas with my grandmother and grandfater in 1916.
Pam (Armstrong) Johnson

1837 Back Creek Land Sale - Kelley to Arthur

Valsobo — 2013-02-03 17:35:17Z

In 1837 Elijah Kelley sold a section of land on Back Creek to Eli Arthur. At that time Eli Arthur was living in Bedford County but he was born in Botetourt County and was probably 'coming home'. The land sale shows up in the "Watts Collection" from 'Historical Society of Western Virginia, Roanoke, Virginia' Would very much like to see the complete details, locations, etc.

Our family has been trying to discover Eli's ancestors (specifically Father and Mother)and more information could help. Eli was born 'William Eli (possibly Elijah) Arthur' sometime between 1793-1799 in, most likely, Botetourt County - Roanoke. Married in 1819, Bedford Quaker Community. Went west with his son Amaziah and extended family and died in Missouri 1865.

Re: Baker, Joseph/Absolom Baker Correction

janswart2000 — 2013-01-17 12:14:56Z

Correction: Absalom Dempsey Baker and Moses J. Baker were brothers. They do not appear by DNA to be great-grandsons of Samuel Baker and Mary Hodnett of Bedford County. Absalom and Moses appear to be related to the William Baker group on Bakernet.dna. I still think Samuel Baker and Mary Hodnett are related to the gunsmith Baker group #4. Not sure who Samuel, the son of Samuel Baker and Betsy Trent, married. DNA results in the future will sort out this family. Jan

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-01-14 23:51:33Z

Thank you, Jan. I have a lot of IL genealogy balls in the air right now. I hope to come back to Jacob Black. One vet of the Black Hawk War was honored almost 3 yrs ago. http://will.illinois.edu/news/spotstory/illinois-national-gu...

I phoned and wrote but no one ever replied. Guess they want to keep him to themselves.But I'd bet this one came from VA. Catherine Black Kessler and her Jacob Black sure did.

I forgot to tell you I live in VA about an hour from the Glade Creek Church where the older Kesslers are buried.

Happy New Year,
Laura

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

JANG5230 — 2013-01-14 22:28:18Z

Don't know much about the Black family, but there are a lot of Black's buried in several cemeteries in our area. There are still Blacks in Auburn. I am glad you found Morris' geneology works. He was a great guy. www.findagrave.com has many photos listed of these ancestors. Glad thing worked out for you. Happy hunting Jan Gray

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

LauraKeatonMorrison1 — 2013-01-14 12:19:27Z

Hi Jan, I am most interested in Catherine Black and her father and/or brother Jacob Black. I have found the works of Morris Kessler. Toby Chamberlin posted many Auburn tombstones.

Do you know about the Blacks/Swartz(earlier Botetourt) ?
Thank you,
Laura

Re: BLACK/KESSLER

JANG5230 — 2013-01-13 23:21:47Z

I know this has been a couple of years since your post, but I am sure I can help you in your Illinois Kesslers. They migrated to Sangamon Co., IL and most are buried in Auburn Cemetery, Auburn, Sangamon Co., IL. That is where Daniel and Catherine are buried. Let me know if you need more help and I can give you more information. Jan Gray

Re: John McCartney - Jane Davidson

l_mccartney — 2013-01-08 23:39:48Z

It's certainly a possibility. The approximate birth dates are in the right time frame.

The Kyle surname sounded familiar. When I checked my records I found that a granddaughter of John and Jane McCartney married a Kyle. Her name was Charlotte Penelope Biggs, daughter of Martha McCartney and Allen Biggs. Charlotte married John William Henry Kyle (11 Jun 1847-23 May 1923).

There is one other record of a McCartney/Kyle relationship. In the early Virginia marriage records Sarah McCartney married Hugh Kyle 03 Oct 1803 in Rockingham County.

Re: John McCartney - Jane Davidson

tunnelm1 — 2013-01-07 23:06:21Z

UPDATE: Per a recent DNA test on a living male Davidson descendant of William Davidson and Martha Baker, that Davidson family was part of DNA "Family 16" (at www.davidsongenes.org) versus the DNA "Family 10" Davidson family that had previously seemed to be almost a certainty. Anyway, "DNA does not lie," so unless there was an "adoption" or an "out-of-wedlock birth" in this "mix" somewhere, I have to assume that this William Davidson was truly a member of DNA "Family 16."

There was another William Davidson (born about 1750....so probably fairly close in age to the above William Davidson who married Martha Baker)) in the Botetourt/Rockbridge Co., VA who was from PA and who married first to Sarah McCoy and second to the widow Mrs. Elizabeth (Wilson) McCrea. That William Davidson was also a member of DNA "Family 16" (per yet another DNA test), but the researchers of "Family 16" have no idea at this time as to just how the above two William Davidsons were related to one another.

Re: Bean/Painter family

cropainter — 2013-01-07 16:00:32Z

I continue to work on the William Painter family enumerated in 1850 Botetourt County next to John Bean b. 1779 and Hannah b. 1789, John Bean b. 1825 and Margaret b. 1827. As an update, YDNA from male descendents of 3 of William Painters sons indicate William was DNA surname Kenney. Do you know of any connection between this Bean family and William the neighbor? William's wife was Mary Taylor and they were married in Botetourt County in 1845. Second son Jeremiah states in his Civil War pension application that he was born in Buchanan, VA.

Re: Abraham H. & Hiram Short--married McCoy's-1845-46

khammond35 — 2012-12-27 17:51:21Z

Here is what I have for James and Nancy:

James B McCoy
Birth 28 MAR 1798 in Virginia, United States
Death 1875 in Virginia, United States

Parents & Siblings
Joseph Washington McCoy (1766-1841)

Mary Williams (-)

No Siblings( may be incorrect)

Spouse & Children

Nancy B Elliott (1797-1873)

Samuel B McCoy (1823-)

William E McCoy (1824-1896)

Joseph B McCoy (1830-)

Estratine H McCoy (1833-)

Sarah N McCoy (1835-)

Hannah M McCoy (1837-)

James M McCoy (1839-)

Rebecca V McCoy (1840-1922)

I am a descendant of William McCoy. He married twice; once to a Mary Jane Anthony in 1851 and a second time to Mary Parr in 1872. I am trying find info on Mary ANthony.

Re: Rock's of Botetourt co

wongdonnaj — 2012-12-26 11:21:33Z

Madison was my great grandfather. You mentioned you had information to the present. May asked what that information be? I have some info about George and Besty but still needs confirming.

Donna

Re: Rock's of Botetourt co

wongdonnaj — 2012-12-25 02:56:43Z

I will look into it and see what I can find. Thanks for responding so quickly.

Donna

Re: Rock's of Botetourt co

celee42 — 2012-12-25 01:45:23Z

Thanks Donna
I am still looking for something that would confirm the parents of the Thomas Rock wife Sarah,maybe Parsons. Thomas is on the 1820 census of Giles next to an Elizabeth Rock. I suspect they may be mother and son. Other children of Elizabeth ""may be"" James m Sally Kerr and Nancy who married George Webb. I have no documents any of these are related.There is also a Obeniah Rose who wills land to a Sinny Rock and Elizabeth Rock is to receive rent for Sinney Rock.
Obediah Rose and John Rock are on the 1810 census/tax of Montgomery Co VA. Elizabeth, Thomas and Obediah Rose are near each other on the 1820 Census.
Accorfing to census records Thomas was born ca 1793,John Rock and Elizabeth Snodgrass were married 1792 Botetourt.
Any suggestions would be great, and I'll be happy to share.
Thanks

Re: Rock's of Botetourt co

letter4david — 2012-12-23 15:48:09Z

Hi Donna,
I saw your posting for Rocks in-or-near Botetourt Co. and I thought I would provide the names of the Rocks in my tree ... that sounds funny to me :)

1. Clara Rock who married James W. Webb 6/2/1846 in Giles County, VA

2. Henry Rock who married Nancy Phoebe Webb 3/14/1847 in Giles County, VA

3. James Rock (father to Clara)

4. Jane Rock who married Daniel Givens 1831 in Giles County, VA

5. Nancy Rock who married George Webb, Jr. (AKA George II) in 1826 in Giles County, VA

I belong to the large family of Webbs in these 2 counties, but know little about the Rock family. I hope this is familiar to someone out there!

Thanks for posting!
David Wiley
tracingmyroots@yahoo.com