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robbinsp  (View posts) Posted: 19 Mar 2001 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: SAWYER
I'm looking for information on W. M. Sawyer who was murdered near Bandera along with seven other men in 1863. I understand there are grand jury court records showing an indictment against the men who committed these murders. Does anyone have any information or have the grand jury papers relating to this incident. Any other information regarding W. M Sawyer or C. J. Sawyer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Pat Robbins

Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 2 Dec 2005 2:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Pat: Your query rang a bell for me, and sure enough, I am looking at two photos of their tombstone, with an article, A TRAGEDY OF THE CIVIL WAR, in REPRINT OF 100 YEARS IN BANDERA by J. Marvin Hunter, page 63. One photo is a close up with all the names legible, and other shows the tombstone behind a barbed wire fence.

“Inscribed on the tombstone are the names of the men as follows: “C. J. SAWYER, W. M. SAWYER, GEORGE THAYER, WILLIAM SCHUMAKE, JACK WHITMIRE, JACK KYLE, JOHN SMART, MR. VAN WINKLE. DIED JULY 25, 1863”

Here is the complete article, which is undated.

“When the country was in the throes of internecine strife many tragedies occurred that did not reflect credit upon the communities wherein they took place. Almost every county in this state had its hangings and murders of men who did not espouse the cause that was lost. Bandera county did not escape the stigma that attached itself to the perpetration of a crime that was wholly uncalled for and without reasonable excuse. However, it is in a measure gratifying to know that the perpetrators of the blackest crime that stained the pages of Bandera’s history were men who did not belong in this county, but were citizens of other sections, and therefore no blame can be placed upon the citizenry of this county which has always been of the highest order.

“In 1863 a party of men, who, not caring to take sides in the great struggle that was being waged between the North and the South, left their homes in Williamson County, Texas, and started to Mexico. They were well provided with good mounts, heavily armed, possessed of several hundred dollars in cash, and were fully equipped for the long journey to the neutral republic on the other side of the Rio Grande. This party of eight men and a boy passed through BANDERA and stopped here for a day or so, resting their horses and buying supplies as they needed for the trip. They did not make any secret of their destination or the cause of their going, but openly stated that they were on their way to Mexico, to avoid conscription.

“At the time there was stationed at Camp Verde, twelve miles north of BANDERA, a force of cavalry. When it became known that this part of men were in the country and going to Mexico, a detachment of twenty five men under command of a Major Alexander set out to apprehend them. When the detachment reached BANDERA the men had gone, but they were overtaken on Squirrel Creek, below Hondo, and were promised a fair and impartial trial by court martial if they would surrender. They gave up their arms and in company with the soldiers started back, little dreaming that they would never see another sun rise. When the party reached the Julian, two miles east of BANDERA, late in the afternoon they went into camp for the night. After supper some of the men suggested that they hang the prisoners right there. Others opposed such outrageous action, but those opposing were overruled, and some of them left camp, refusing to have anything to do with the crime, or even witnessing it. The officer in command seemed to give his consent and the unfortunate prisoners were hanged, one at a time, to a live oak tree. A hair rope was used and as each man strangled to death, he was cut down, the noose left on his neck, and another one pulled up to slowly strangle. One of the prisoners requested that he be shot, and his request was granted. He was shot through with a full charge, the ramrod being left in the gun and penetrated through his body.

Joe Poor, who lived over on Middle Verde, was camped near the scene of the murder that night, but did not hear the disturbance. Next morning he went out to look for his horses that had strayed away from his camp, and he came upon the bodies of the men. Seeing the ramrod protruding from the body of one of them he mistook it for an arrow, and thought they had been slain by Indians. He hastened to BANDERA and gave the alarm, and a party composed of O.B. Miles, George Hay, John Pyka, Robert Ballentyne, Amasa Clark and others hastened to the scene of the murder, and found the bodies of eight men lying scattered about, just as they had been left. An inquest was held and a verdict rendered, attaching blame to the major and his party. A shallow grave was dug, the eight bodies, wrapped in blankets, were placed into it and covered with dirt and stones.

“The boy who was with this party of Williamson County men, was taken away by the murderers, and was never heard of again. That his fate was no one knows.

“After the war ended and courts were again functioning, the men responsible for this crime were indicted by the grand jury in this county but all had disappeared. They were never brought to trial, although the case was continued from term to term. The Court records of Bandera county will reveal the names of the men who stood charged with the crime of murdering helpless prisoners.

“In after years a monument was erected over the g rave of the murdered men, and it stands there today in an out of the way place in the former Frank Pyka pasture, now owned by J. M. Cornelison. Inscribed on the tombstone are the names of the men as follows: “C. J. SAWYER, W. M. SAWYER, GEORGE THAYER, WILLIAM SCHUMAKE, JACK WHITMIRE, JACK KYLE, JOHN SMART, MR. VAN WINKLE. DIED JULY 25, 1863.” In its seclusion the grave is never disturbed, while in the springtime wild flowers grow and bloom over the mound ,songbirds make melody in the nearby trees and the soft breezes that blow through the branches chant a requiem to the departed souls.”


Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 6 Dec 2005 7:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Pat: Accidentally found more info. Go to Texas Historical Commisssion for Bandera County, http://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/shell-county.htm, check mark all 5 boxes to get 5 pages, then go to page 5 HANGMAN'S TREE with inscription:

"Remember friends as you pass by, as you are now so one was, and as I am now you soon will be, prepare for death and follow me."
Significance: Names: C.J. Sawyer, W.M. Sawyer, George Thayre, William Shu, Jack Witmore etc. "

Lois

Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 13 Dec 2005 3:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
Pat, there is a reference to this episode in Hunter's Reminiscences of a Centenarian - a woman is kin to two of the murdered men. Have you see it?

Lois

Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

pat1098  (View posts) Posted: 5 May 2007 4:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Lois, sorry I just discovered your posts about the eight men murdered at Bandera. Do you have a website for the Hunter's article you mentioned in your Dec 13, 2005 posting?

Any idea how I can obtain the grand jury records relating to this case?

Thanks again for all your help.

Pat


Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 11 Jul 2007 10:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Pat: I copied the article from 100 Years in Bandera 1853 - 1953, which is a reprint of the Bandera Bulletin newspaper originally published to commemorate the founding of the town. Unfortunately there is no date indicating when any of the articles first appeared. Hunter says the information in 100 Years was obtained from first hand accounts of earliest settlers, public records, files of old newspapers like San Antonio Herald, the Bandera Bugle, Bandera Enterprise, the Bandera New Era, and Frontier Times (and of course his paper, the Bulletin)..

There is a website http://www.frontiertimesmagazine.com which may be helpful. There is a search option and you can order copies specific issues of the magazine in several different formats. They responded quickly to my E-mails.

You might call the Frontier Times Museum and ask questions. The 100 Years is 90 pages printed on acid-free paper(larger than 8 X 14"), with lots of stories and photos of the old timers. Cost is about $50, available from Frontier Times Museum, P O Box 1918, Bandera, Texas 78003 call 830 796-3864

Regarding the old records, email the County Library in Bandera at director@Banderalibrary.org for assistance. The records are probably physically located in the Archives at the County Courthouse in Bandera.

Let us know if you are successful in locating them, getting copies made, etc.

Best regards. Lois

Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 11 Jul 2007 11:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Just for fun I went to the Texas Historical Commission site
http://atlas.thc.state.tx.us and found the grave marker. Here's how: click on ENTER on home page, then Choose County: Bandera, Select only: Cemeteries and Grave Markers, Go to Page 2, Eight graves on San Julian Creek, Location: 2 miles SW of Bandera. San Julian Creek is off Hwy 1077, see map and more. No picture.

Lois

Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

pat1098  (View posts) Posted: 14 Jul 2007 1:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks so much for your help. I do have a copy of the article from the Frontier Times. Do you know of any other Sawyer researchers? As an aside, W.M. Sawyer had served in the Civil War and had almost died of malaria at Columbus TX. Afterward, he returned to his farmland in Williamson County Tx before leaving on the last trip.

Thanks again.

Pat


Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 14 Jul 2007 3:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Pat, I don't personally know any Sawyer researchers. Hopefully one will see your post and respond.

Re: ancestry search/tombstone 8 murdered men

LoisKindlaSmith  (View posts) Posted: 27 Jun 2008 6:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sawyer, Thayer, Schumake, Whitmire, Kyle, Smart, VanWinkle
Pat: Just returned from visit to Bandera. The LDS copied the old County Records. The reels are available in the Genealogical Room of the Library there. Noticed labels for old Minutes of the District Court. Didn't have dates of the proceedings regarding the victims, but I did think of you.

If you're not able to visit, perhaps a volunteer could search the records for you.

DIED JULY 25, 1863: C. J. SAWYER, W. M. SAWYER, GEORGE THAYER, WILLIAM SCHUMAKE, JACK WHITMIRE, JACK KYLE, JOHN SMART, MR. VAN WINKLE

Best regards
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