Judy, I am another Judy. My family is Happoldt out of Charleston, two sets or more of their guns are in museum in Charleston now. Interesting fact about Rivers family is that the MEndall Rivers, congressman, was first cousin to mr. Rivers that was the ownere and first television station in Charleston, of which I went to work when it first went on the air. stayed a short time but got to know Mr. Rivers personally. this minute cannot recall his first name(senior moment), but He was Pres. of Radio station, and then built and operated, owned the tv station there. WCSC Channel 5. I was secretary to the V Pres. of TV and singing on air, conducting tours of the station etc. THis is an old prestegious family in Charleston. If you want info on Rivers, perhaps the Mendall RIvers, who was famous would bring up some information on his parents, and cousins etc. Punch in Mendall Rivers+Charleston+Genealogy, or any combination of this. I am sure you know this tho. JUDY