Message Boards

You are here: Message Boards > Localities > North America > United States > States > Oregon > Counties > Benton > Chas T Sands and family
Names or Keywords
All Boards   Benton - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Chas T Sands and family

Sort

Chas T Sands and family

SharonTate62  (View posts) Posted: 8 Sep 2009 3:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sands, Dunn
I am trying to locate information on Charles T Sands and his wife Emma. Charles was born in Illinois in 1867, they left Illinois in 1912 and moved to North Dakota. They left North Dakota sometime after 1930 and moved on to Oregon. They both died in Benton Co, Oregon, Charles in 1958 and Emma in 1951. They had a daughter Leone who was married to a Tracy Worden Johnson and they both died in Benton Co., Oregon Leone in 1990 and Tracy in 1985.

I do not know if Leone and Tracy had any children.

Any help would be appreciated.
Sharon

Re: Chas T Sands and family

judyartley53  (View posts) Posted: 4 Oct 2009 4:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Sharon,
The most recent Census that is available to the public at this time is the 1930 U. S. Census. After 1930 it is much more difficult to find information about people.

I suggest you request copies of their obituaries. Charlies died 22 Oct 1958 and Emma died 13 Sept. 1951. I hope you know the exact death dates for Leona and Tracy because I didn't find them.

You can request obituaries from Random Acts Genealogical Kindness. Go to www.raogk.org, read instructions, choose Oregon, Benton County.

If that doesn't work, you can contact the Oregon Libraries, www.oregonlibraries.net/ and ask which Library in Benton Co. provides an obituary service.

The Benton County Genealogical Society might have the Benton County Directories too. Go to www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~orbentgs/ . Successful Searching!

Re: Chas T Sands and family

RBestrom7380  (View posts) Posted: 4 Oct 2009 8:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
I've done some research as shown below, but will try to give you some genealogy research tips also. When you post, always try to give a date-of-birth. It is tremendous help for a researcher. If you don't have the exact DOB, try to give at least a year, or information about spouses, parents, children, etc.
--I found your family tree online at Ancestry.com
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/10335387/person/-657423385?ss...=
When you post, you might post the link, that would help the researcher with information...ALSO to learn what you already know.
(I also found three other trees with Charles T. Sands, but little to no information).

------------------Leone Mildred Sands-----------
The Oregon Death Index:
Tracy Wor(truncated, database limited in character space) Johnson, born 17 Oct 1896, died 6 Feb 1985, in Benton Co.
Leone Mildred Johnson, born 14 August 1902, died 20 Mar 1990 in Linn Co.
--The Social Security Death Index shows Leone died March 1990, "Last Residence" Corvallis, Benton County.
------ The "last residence" is not necessarily where a person lived. It could be the address where the Death Benefit was sent, today about $255.00, to a spouse or other person that paid for burial, funeral home/Attorney/etc. It also could be just from a notification of their death. It is not necessarily where they lived, it "usually is; but it is NOT a exact address identifier. A death certificate may have been sent to the Social Security Administration identifying the person died. The Social Security Death Index lists persons that have died whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration. The SSA identifies those persons on its Master Death Index. It is NOT the "SSDI". The SSDI is just a name used by purchasers of the MDI, and places that list online by four separate entities. The SSA is not in the business for genealogy research...EXCEPT, they do provide a copy of the original application form (SS-5), or a computer transcript.
The Social Security Death Index lists persons that have died whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration.

A family tree posted, having Tracy Worden Johnson:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/12304045/person/-259919006/co...
No children shown in this online record; but this person "might" have more information offline.

Tracy is buried at Oak Lawn Memorial Park, Corvallis:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=jo...;
Leone
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=jo...;
Oak Lawn, 2245 S.W. Whiteside Drive, Corvalis, OR 97333 541-753-4532
You might call and ask about records.

----------------Charles & Emma, the other children-------------
Since another of your postings identifies you know of the other three children: Homer, Florence and Virginia, all born in Illinois, you may have other information about this family that you hadn't posted.
--Homer: Since you know Homer died in an airplane crash and you know of his marriage, I'll "assume" you have a "handle" on him. Your other posting just indicated he died at Geisboro Point, never heard of it... But, Bolling Field, Washington D.C. I actually worked there for the US Air Force. It does not have runway's today. I did find the service record, the obit from Fargo and other information on several sources at Ancestry.com. It appears you already have this information.
--Florence: Since you know Florence (Ada Florence) died January 30, 1920, I'll again "assume" you have the handle on her. It appears you are looking for Leone and Virginia, primarily.

The 1930 Census for Fargo, Cass County, ND, census enumerated April 8.
Charles T. Sands (transcribed as Sando), age 64, born in Illinois, to father born (appears to be Kentucky), mother in England, salesman/metal culverts, married 24 years. Owned the home.
Emma, age 64, born Ohio to both parents born in Pennsylvania.
--None of the four children are living with them.

The 1925 North Dakota State Census, Fargo. (Undated).
Charles T 59, Emma Sands 59
Homer I 29, Mary J 29,
Leone M, 22, Virginia R, 20
Elizabeth J 5.

The 1920 Census for Fargo Ward 4, Cass County, ND
Charles T Sands, 53 (1866/1867), born in Illinois to father born in Ohio, mother in England, traveling salesman/"Culvert?"(can't make it out)
Emma, 53 (1866/1867), born in Ohio to both parents born in Pennsylvania.
Homer, 23, (1896/1897), clerk with Standard Oil
Florence, 21 (1898/1899), Clerk in a bank.
Leone, 17, (born 1902/1903)
Virginia, 14 (born 1905/1906)
--All children born in Illinois.
--Census enumerated on 9 January, so by your data, Florence died the end of the month.
--Since the census was enumerated very early in 1920, the year of birth of the family members is "Probably" the earlier year as shown above, unless they were born within the first nine days of January. The 1930 Census showed them at age 64, age increasing by 11 years. So, it "appears" both were born sometime between 9 January and 8 April of 1866.
--The 1910 Census, enumerated 15 April, showed Virginia as being 5, since she was 14 in the 1920 Census enumerated in January; she, also, "appears" to have been born between 9 January and 15 April, in her case 1905.

The World War I Draft Registration Card Image database:
Homer I Sands, born May 24th 1896 in Grove City, IL. Living at 524 14th Street South, Fargo, ND. Present trade/occupation: Student Affiaers(Affairs) Training Camp, US Government, Fort Snelling, Minnesota. He was tall, slender, gray eyes, brown hair. He registered on June 5, 1917, (The first registration, the National Registration Day, a national patriotic party day).

For Virginia, the 1925 census in Fargo has her age 20. The other US Census, appears she was born early months of 1905. The 1925 census also shows her middle initial (at that time) as "R." But, I have seen many cases where the maiden middle initial was dropped for the first initial of the maiden name. I looked in the 1930 Census using various methods; but the census is not transcribed to show place of birth of the person, or the parents. If they were, a search for ANY person born plus/minus 1 year of 1905 in IL., to father born in IL, mother in Ohio, might result in finding her. So, for her, you have North Dakota. I did search the death index for 1920 to 1940, but the marriage index is a pay for service company. Hopefully you can find a local volunteer. It is IMPOSSIBLE to speculate on what happened to her, she married by 1930, went somewhere else either married or single, she died, she otherwise left the family.
--The Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness in Cass County, ND. READ THE GUIDELINES FIRST. http://www.raogk.org/northdak.htm
--In Benton Co, OR, 1 Volunteer: http://www.raogk.org/oregon.htm
--Cemeteries. I did look in the www.findagrave.com for Virginia Sands in ND and Oregon, without success. There are several websites for cemetery transcriptions; but most are incomplete, not transcribed. Even those that are have missing graves, missing stones, unreadible, etc. Example, Benton County: http://www.usgwtombstones.org/oregon/benton.htm

Hope this helped,
Ron Bestrom

Re: Chas T Sands and family

SharonTate62  (View posts) Posted: 4 Oct 2009 7:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sands
Thank you ever so much for the information. I will write for the obituaries. This has helped me a lot with my brick wall.

Sharon

Re: Chas T Sands and family

RBestrom7380  (View posts) Posted: 6 Oct 2009 8:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
For the family trees posted on Ancestry.com, you now have to sign in for a "free" 14 day membership to see the trees. You would have to provide a credit card, then CANCEL before the end of the 14 days, or continue and have membership costs.

Re: Chas T Sands and family

SharonTate62  (View posts) Posted: 6 Oct 2009 10:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: RE; Sands
Thanks! Appreciate the information.

Find a Board

Page Tools