Thanks for the reference - will have to see if my local library has copy. Everything I've seen posted has Sarah Treacle as the wife. However, I have received Death Certificate for Isaac P Hines with father as Daniel, mother as Rebecca Shivers. I have 3 different birth dates for Daniel son of Rudolph ..1789 MD, 1796, 1785. I'm not sure if I need to look to a different generation since these names keep reappearing, or what. This is the first time I've seen Rebecca Shivers mentioned as wife for anyone though.