Ulster - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Bailey Gerow, Plattekill, NY

jloreine — 2009-11-05 06:26:20Z

What information are you looking for? I'm a descendant of Bailey Gerow.

Jennifer Hussey

Birth/Bapt. records abt. 1829

Soxer — 2009-11-01 14:20:38Z

Would anyone know how to locate birth or baptism records for Ulster County for 1827-1830 other than guessing at a church affiliation and looking for records that way?

Specifically, I'm trying to find the birth of a Sidney W. Wood who was b. abt. 1829 in Kingston, Ulster County, NY and the child of Isreal Wood and Julia Watkins. I have tons of information on this family after they moved to Galen, Wayne County, NY in the 1830's but would like to find Sidney's actual birth or baptism record.

Thanks for your help, Petey

Obit look up in New Paltz New York 1982

Chesham54 — 2009-10-30 22:56:52Z

Seeking an obituary for Alfred Carter, d. March 1982 in New Paltz, New York.

Re: obituary lookup please for August Bastian d,1995 Gardiner, Ulster, New York

GLMARESCO — 2009-10-29 15:12:16Z

I would suggest that you contact the New Paltz library. They have a wonderful file of obituaries from New Paltz and surrounding towns. I am sure they could send you a copy of this obit. Here is their web address:
http://www.eltinglibrary.org/hhhc/

Re: Christopher MENTZ

RhodaMoree — 2009-10-23 03:33:42Z

Jack,
Sally Matz, President of the Cragsmoor Historical Society, took me to the Cragsmoor Cemetery which is also Manceville Cemetery.

Just checked my MANCE family tree and found Mary Catherine Mance, born 1837 daughter of Jacob Mance and Aintje Scott. Is this your Mary Mance?

Rhoda Moree
ARMOREE@aol.com

obituary lookup please for August Bastian d,1995 Gardiner, Ulster, New York

badenroots — 2009-10-22 10:43:36Z

I am looking for the obituary of August Karl Bastian. He died on September 9, 1995 in Gardiner, Ulster, New York.

Thank you
badenroots@yahoo.com

Re: Christopher MENTZ

jack1313 — 2009-10-21 09:08:48Z

Hello. My name is Jack Weed. I live in Walker Valley and my great great great grandmother was Mary Mance wife of Levi Weed. She was the daughter of Jacob Mance and Aintje Scott. Jacob and Aintje are buried in the community ground in Cragsmoor. They are the only 2 with readable headstones. I read in your posts about a Manceville cemetery. Can you tell me where that is? Thanks, Jack

Re: Christopher MENTZ

RhodaMoree — 2009-10-20 17:02:53Z

When visiting in Ulster County and doing research I was told that members of the SAME family used both spellings of MENTZ and MANCE. They lived on a mountain and one member camer down on one side of the mountain, another member came down on the other side of the mountain and each used a different spelling. Of course, way back then many people could not read or write so census takers did the best they could with the pronounciation provided to them. This could have had a lot to do with the different spellings.

When I first started my research I used the spelling of my Mother's family: MANCE. No success until I found another researcher who provided the spelling of MENTZ and then I was successfull in tracing the family.

Rhoda Moree
ARMOREE@aol.com

Re: Christopher MENTZ

RhodaMoree — 2009-10-20 16:55:40Z

I have also visited the Manceville Cemetery although I do not now live in the area. Most of my research has come from nearby repositories as well as Family History Centers (Latter Day Saints). Also, found another researcher who shared her information with me.

My Mother was born in Ulster County and I was born in Walden.

Is there anything I can help you with?

Rhoda Moree
ARMOREE@aol.com

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

DarleenLegault — 2009-10-18 03:58:57Z

Yes, Barbara.

Lewis Mandeville was my 2nd great grand uncle and the Johnson's would be my cousins. I am trying to find out where the Mandevilles and the Johnsons came from. Would you know if the Johnsons are the same Johnsons from the Island of Madagascar as is written in the booklet of the Black History of Ulster County?

Thank-you for your time,
Darleen

Re: Christopher MENTZ

JulieBarone89 — 2009-10-17 23:53:44Z

Well, looks like we're cousins!
My line is Christopher/John/Jacob/Joseph/Joseph Smith (known just as Smith)/George/Robert/Willard/Jane (my mom).

I still live in Ulster County and have been to the old Manceville cemetery, or at least what was left of it in the early 1990's. Mostly hand carved slate stones. Christoffel had a wooden cross which I think has since disappeared.

Timmerman or Simmerman in Wawarsing/Rochester area, late 1700s to early 1800s?

rdavis544 — 2009-10-17 13:46:03Z

I have found a few bits of information on a Henry and Nicholas Timmerman ( often spelled Simmerman) in Rochester Township, Ulster County. They were both signers of the Articles of Association and there are two records of births to Nicholas Timmerman and Margaret Sax in the Wawarsing Reformed Dutch church records, Jacob, b 20 Oct 1771, bap 8 Nov 1771, and Petrus, bap 14 Aug 1774. The Wawarsing church also has a birth of John Timmerman, bap 9 Mar 1777, father, Henry Timmerman, mother Elizabeth Schultz. And another Wawarsing church record has the birth of Catrina Timmerman, b 27 Dec 1801, father, Hendrick Timmerman, mother Elizabeth Kettle. A Henrick Timmerman (Ancestry.com has Simmerman) can be found in the 1800 Rochester Township census, apparently Nicholas and family had moved to Greene Co. by then. Both spellings, Simmerman and Timmerman, were used in the various records. Does anyone believe they are related to this family or have more information on them.

Thanks, Richard

Re: New Ulster County, NY, Y-DNA Project

rdavis544 — 2009-10-15 23:44:36Z

Hi, yes, males tended to hand down their surname as well as their Y-DNA. So unless you had reason to believe the name had changed (adoption and the like) you would want to find a male descendant of the name you are trying to trace.

Thanks for the note about th Sullivan post What is now Sullivan County was in Ulster County until 1809. I'll try to make it sound more relevant.

Richard

Re: New Ulster County, NY, Y-DNA Project

seekerJay — 2009-10-15 21:42:58Z

I suppose this means that the name I'm trying to trace in Ulster County, FRANTZ, would have to be the name of the male donor? I only have a vague notion of how the various DNA tests work.

By the way, your duplicate message to the Sullivan board was deleted. I'm guessing because it was off topic - too bad as my FRANTZ relatives spanned the border of Ulster & Sullivan Counties in the little settlement of Frantzdale, now known as Spring Glen. Sullivan was subdivided from Ulster Co in 1809; before that, it was all Ulster Co.

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-15 02:10:55Z

I looked in every church book I have from Ulster County and he is not in there...

could he be in Orange County, maybe?

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

DiannaBenny — 2009-10-15 01:56:03Z

Can you look up Simon Davis for me please? His wife was Rachel Rosencranse. There are many variations of the spelling of Rosencranse. Thank you in advance.

Re: Christopher MENTZ

RhodaMoree — 2009-10-15 01:18:54Z

The Christopher Mance from my family tree was born 1730 and died 1817 in Wawarsing, NY. He is my ggggg grandfather.
Line of descent: Christopher/John/Jacob/James/Albert/James Edgar/and then my Mother, (Bessie) Adelaide Mance.

Have information on the whole family and willing to share if this is also your family.

Re: Christopher MENTZ

JulieBarone89 — 2009-10-14 10:31:55Z

I'm also researching descendants of Christofer / Christoffel Mentz / Mance & would love to trade info. He was my ggggggg-grandfather.

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

DarleenLegault — 2009-10-05 17:58:57Z

Would you have an listings for Mandeville or Johnson? They were of negro decent and both families living together in Shawangunk in the 1850 census. I would be looking for a marriage between Mandevill and Johnson and/or births. Thank-you, Darleen

Re: Looking for descendants of Ulster County NY Avery's

wandatwig — 2009-10-12 18:10:41Z

Adding another question RE: Avery/Every. Does anyone know of these persons: Sarah Elizabeth Cross (1848-1920) who lived near Shokan, NY-married to ? Avery and had a daughter, Maude who may have married a Harry Graves. Names associated with this family are Blue Gate, Manitoo Lodge and Moonhall Rd?? A second marriage may have been ? Eighmey, although David Avery was mentioned. Thanks for any help.
Wanda

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

daba2735 — 2009-10-05 16:57:15Z

Hello Barbara,

Is there a baptismal entry for a Magdalena or Lena Decker born sometime between 1710 and 1720 or anyone with the last name Andries born around the same time?

Thanks,

Dave

Re: SEEK INFORMATION ON BISHOP FAMILY

apriljacki2 — 2009-10-02 11:32:47Z

I have the road and property map of the town. Very interesting to see who were neighbors and no doubt many times married the "girl next door". I did this research so long ago with a friend who was then in Salt Lake city with access to records. It would take me forver to find it but I will look. (pre computer era)

Re: SEEK INFORMATION ON BISHOP FAMILY

apriljacki2 — 2009-10-02 11:27:25Z

Asa bishop is also from my family line. I have tons of information.

Re: SEEK INFORMATION ON BISHOP FAMILY

apriljacki2 — 2009-10-02 11:22:18Z

Jay

I have much information in the Bishops. Yes they all did arrive in the US via connecticut and then to Olive NY. Too much of a coincidence not to be related. I have nothing except from ca.1622

Re: SEEK INFORMATION ON BISHOP FAMILY

apriljacki2 — 2009-10-02 11:15:43Z

All of it is true and so much more I never saw Paul again in all my 70 years. I heard tell of his fathers death in NYC also his mothers. We all had very little contact with them. My family and Pauls family are the only descendents of the six Bishop brothers. Paul and Tina and My and my 3 siblings. June Bishop is deceased many years ago.Send me your address and I will mail you some photos.Apriljacki2@aol.com

M. F. Liebenau, Presbyterian Minister, in Lloyd 1850 and living Creek Locks 1878.

SusanHopkins68 — 2009-10-10 00:27:58Z

Not personally interested in this person, but am sharing info on him as he turns up attesting to a marriage that needed to be documented for a Civil War pension file of the survivors of Joshua J. Hopkins of Greenwich, Ohio. M. F. Liebenau officiated at the marriage in Lloyd, Ulster County, as Pastor of the Lloyd Presbyterian Church on 15 Sept 1850. His affadavit is dated 9 Aug 1878 and he gives his address as Creek Locks, Ulster Co., NY.

Re: Kingston Church on Wurts Street

JulieBarone89 — 2009-10-14 01:43:22Z

85 Wurts St was the rectory for what is now the AME Zionist Church, across the street at 72 Wurts. I believe it was formerly Baptist. There was also an Episcpal Church at 20 or 30-something Wurts --- it closed down about 6 or 7 years ago. The St Peter's Catholic Church at 93 Wurts is still running.

Hope that helps!

Re: SEEK INFORMATION ON BISHOP FAMILY

davesluder1 — 2009-09-29 20:49:37Z

the clennen you are looking for is the one from olive ny the farm was in boiceville ny your husband and i are related i dont know who he is but clennen was my great grand father.his son john l bishop was my grand father. my name is dave sluder davesluder@verizon.net

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

seekerJay — 2009-10-04 02:26:29Z

I don't think you can rule out that Wilhelmus wasn't the one baptized in 1761. I'm no expert, but I think infants were usually baptized soon after birth, but not always.

Also, the 1754 DoB may be wrong. If illiterate, would he have known exactly his DoB or exact age? My 1890s Germans were supposedly literate and got these kinds of details wrong all the time.

On the other hand, Wilhelmus was NOT an uncommon name.

If only we could use a crystal ball to see into the past!

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

seekerJay — 2009-10-04 02:17:50Z

Does anyone know if it's possible that these people are related to Joseph FRANTZ?

He was b ~ 8 May 1779 (don't know where, don't know his parents), married Ruth TRAP/P at the RDC Shawangunk, T/Shawangunk, Ulster Co, 11 Feb 1800, d 2 Dec 1856 & buried in the Old Ellenville Cemetery with Ruth.

He lived in the current Spring Glen, (staddles the T/Mamakating & T/Wawarsing), (straddles Sullivan & Ulster Counties), NY - called Frantzdale by at least 1838 through 1850-ish.

This FRANTZ line apparently doesn't come from PA according to the rootsweb FRANTZ mailing list members. Is it possible the thread family and mine descend from Johannes FRANCK / FRANTZ and wife Magdalena _?_, wid/o Ludwig STREIT (married 10 Jul 1711 at West Camp in Ulster Co)? If so, how do I connect the gaps?

Johannes and Magdalena were Palatines arriving ~ 1710. [see 'The Palatine Families of New York', vol 1, page 244] Just a supposition, no info leading back that far. I believe that FRANZ is German for France, the country. The Palatine and Alsace-Lorraine were areas that passed back and forth between Germany and France during various wars.

Alternate spellings for my family line include:

FRANTS
FRANZ
FRANS
FRANCE
FRANSE
FRANCK
FRANCIS
and my favorites:
FRANCI
FRANYSYE

There certainly could have been different immigrant families coming to the Hudson Valley with some of these names, but I suspect that many are related after trying to track the various western Ulster County members.

Thanks for your time.

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

seekerJay — 2009-10-05 12:22:17Z

My impression was that you ruling him out on the basis of his baptismal date alone.

Jacobus = Jacob. The Dominies back then didn't enter records in their English equivalents.

One last thing, although I'm sure you're correct regarding the headstones, the Poucher books aren't immune from mistakes - errors and omissions crop up. And even if Poucher is correct, there are many instances where the headstone is wrong, illegible, or missing. It's always best to find other sources to back up the info, if possible.

We should both got to bed; it's getting late!

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

JackDecker1999 — 2009-10-03 15:44:24Z

Would you be willing to see if there is any information on a Thomas A. Decker (b.1813-1815), and his wife Esther N. Green (b.1815)?

Jack

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

paintmaryhill — 2009-09-30 15:56:54Z

thank you Pam i'll look into that.

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

paintmaryhill — 2009-10-05 21:32:17Z

i havea jacobus France as wilhelmus child
#

* Jacobus France

* Birth
*
o 1785
o in Saugerties, Ulster, New York, United States

* Death
*
o 1843
o in Saugerties, Ulster, New York, United States

FAIRCHILD researchers Rochester, Ulster, NY

NoraSmith31 — 2009-10-08 21:11:41Z

I am looking for people researching the family name FAIRCHILD in and around Rochester, Ulster, NY. On the 1800 Federal Census there are a number of FAIRCHILD people. Listed are Stephen born probably abt 1775 ... Oliver over the age of 45 years, Levi between 26 and 44 years old, Isaac also between the ages of 26 and 44 years old.

Also listed on this same page is a Abraham GILLETT who may be the same Abraham GILLETT [1745-1808] that married a Betty FAIRCHILD [1763-1845] on 27 JUN 1784.

I am looking for information [such as any records of marriages, land, taxes, burials, bible, etc.] to prove this is the "correct" Abraham GILLETT and that his wife, Betty, was related to one or more of these FAIRCHILD families.

Any help is deeply appreciated.

Re: Christopher MENTZ

pmintz186 — 2009-10-14 10:31:39Z

Have you come across any of the Family that used the spelling Mintz. I am looking for a Captain John Mintz born 1783 who moved to Wyalusing around 1800 or Isaac Mintz born 1794 who moved to Canada after the War of 1812. Any leads that you can give me would be apreciated.

New Ulster County, NY, Y-DNA Project

rdavis544 — 2009-10-10 23:13:43Z

A Geographical Y-DNA Project For Ulster County and surrounding area has been established at Family Tree DNA. This Project is focused on the Davis surname but it is open to all. We encourage anyone with paternal side roots in this area to consider joining us. This is especially handy for those surnames that don't yet have a Surname Project. The Project is titled "Ulster County, New York, Y-DNA Project" (abbreviated to "Ulster Co NY Y-DNA") and can be found on Family Tree.com. To find us there click on Projects, then search in U under the Y-DNA Geographical Projects list. If you are interested but have some questions you can find our more about Genetic Genealogy and our project in Issue #4 of our Davis Genealogy Newsletter, all issues are archived on our RootsWeb Website at -

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~traces/

We encourage any males with early paternal line roots in Ulster County and surrounding area to join us. Females whose direct paternal line originates from this area can have a paternal side male relative test for this project.

Regards, Richard

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-08 20:06:10Z

I have a James Henry Johnson of Plattekill married to Harriet Dubois of Gardiner - colored - May 16, 1853.
(Shawangunk)

In my Wawarsing Churchbook:

1802 - no date - Revd. G. Mandeville and Margaret DeWitt had Maria Jones, b. Feb 10, 1802

Rev. Garret Mandeville and Margaret De Witt had Sarah b. Aug 17, 1804

Rev G. Mandeville and Margaret DeWitt got married Jan 10, 1799 in Marbletown at the Reformed Dutch Church.

This is all I have...

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-08 19:54:40Z

Nothing in this church book..I see a Lewis Mandeville, age 64, died 11/20/1925 and buried in New Paltz, lot C 216..and in lot C 217218 is a Naomi Johnson, George, Augustus, infant Herbert JOhnson, Jennie age 1, Lucile, age2 and a Grace Johnson, age 39.
Are these people of any interest? Do yu think there might be a connection

I will look some more..

Barbara

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-06 02:32:26Z

There is noting in the Shawangunk book about a Thomas Decker and wife Esther Green..could they have been married in Rochester, Kingston or in that vicinity?

Barbara

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-05 23:57:09Z

I have a will here of a Matty Jansen..it mentions his daughter Marritie Jansen married to a Johannis Decker ...both have a daughter named Magdalena and a Ragel...the will is from 1727....would that be of any interest?

Barbara

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-05 23:42:40Z

Under Andries all I have is a marriage between

George S. Andries to Louisa Upright, both of Wallkill on March 31, 1910

The only Magdalena Decker born is in 1762 (no date otherwise) to Jonathan Decker and wife Cathrina Terwilliger.

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-01 16:48:35Z

Here is more...

Wawarsing, Ulster, NY

Isaac Conklin and Eliabeth Davis had Catharine Maria baptized March 4, 1798
Witness: Margareta Concklin

Parents and children baptized:

William and Hannah Conklin, son Zephaniah Conklin, Feb 17, 1802, aged 9 month

Adults baptized:
Hannah Conklin, Feb 17, 1802

Baptism:
John Conklin/Maria Chambers..son Jacob Feb. 23, 1796 Witness:
Jacob Conkling

I hope this helps a little..

Barbara

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

BarbaraKlein1949 — 2009-10-01 14:37:49Z

This is all I have in my church book:

Dec 25, 1894 Emery D. Conklin of Clintondale married to Alice Smedes of Dawaarskill

March 2, 1821 Caroline Cronklin married David Redner

Caroline Cronklin and David Redner had Hannah Maria b. Nov 10, 1822

Cora Conklin died March 27, 1918 at age 42. Buried Section B, Lot 82 Brunswyck Rural Cemetery.

Cornelius J. Conklin died July 16, 1902 at age 82 years 16 days. Buried ay Lot B Section 1. Bureid at Brunswyck Rural Cemetery.

Elisha Conklin and Mary Rice (?) had Cornelius Jansen June 28, 1821.

Elisha Conklin and Mary Rice had Mahatible December 10. 1817

Elisha Conklin and Mary Rice had Jacob Rice b. May 20, 1819

Elisha Conklin and Mary Rice had James henry b. Oct. 13, 11809

Elisha Conklin and Mary Rice had Sally V. b. April 3, 1812

Emma Conklin died May 24, 1875 at age 22 years, 1 month, 16 days.
Buried at Lot B Section 1 - Brunswyck Rural Cemetery.

Esther Conklin and Jacob Alsdorph maried Feb 25, 1798.

Frederick Conklin married Mariah (Miriam) Secor April 30, 1845

John Conklin married Margaret Crans (Cause) August 26, 1846

Sarah E. Conklin of Galeville buried at Brunswyck Rural Sept. 23, 1907 - died Sept 13, 1907 at age 86 y 3 , Lot B Section 1

Jacob Conklim married Sophia (C) Mentz - widow - Aug 20, 1845
I have one more book from Ulster County and see Conklins in here. but this will have to wait till later today.
Barbara

Re: Children of Cornelius Brink & Annatje Winne (was Wilhelmus France)

pjsears — 2009-10-02 13:57:23Z

Richard Hayes has asked about the children of Cornelius Brink and Annatje Winne on the NYULSTER Mail List. This couple had 13 children baptized at the Katsbaan Church, and one at Kingston, for a total of 14 children.

All Katsbaan Church Records, unless otherwise noted:

1. Cornelis, #278; Bapt. Date: 4 Jul 1752; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Anna Wenne; Sponsors: Frederich Wenne and his wife Anna Maria Dewit

2. Jacob, #320; Bapt. Date: 15 Apr 1754; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annaatje Wenne; Sponsors: Jacob Brink and his wife Mareitje Elig

3. Antje, #358; Bapt. Date: 27 Dec 1755; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Jannetje [sic] Wenne; Sponsors: Christian Wenne, Jannetje Wenne

4. [at Kingston] Pieter, Hoes B#6752; Bapt. Date: 20 Nov 1757; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annaatje Wenne
Sponsors: Pieter Wenne, and his wife Arriantje van Etten

5. Jannetie, #438; Bapt. Date: 5 Sep 1759; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annaatje Wenne; Sponsors: Adam Schaart and his wife Jannetje Wenne

6. Mareitje, #494; Bapt. Date: 3 Oct 1761; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annaatje Wenne; Sponsors: Jacob Brink, Marretje Brink

7. Jan, #528; Bapt. Date: 7 Feb 1763; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annatje Winne; Sponsors: Jan Brink, Grietje Woelfin "twin"

8. Adam, #529; Bapt. Date: 7 Feb 1763; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annatje Winne; Sponsors: Adam Woelfin, Annatje Brink "twin"

9. Annatien, #584; Bapt. Date: Jun 1765; Parents: Cornelis Brinck, Annatien Winnen
Sponsors: Petrus Brinck, Annatien Brinck

10. Isaac, #643; Bapt. Date: 21 Apr 1767; Parents: Cornelis Brink, Annatje Winne; Sponsors: Isaac Post, Hanna Decker

11. Catharina, #713; Bapt. Date: 1 Jun 1769; Parents: Cornelis Brinck, Annetje Winne; Sponsors: Lourentz Winne, Catharina Becker

12. Zacharias, #841; Bapt. Date: 2 Feb 1773; Parents: Corneles Brinck, Annatjen Wenne; Sponsors: Petrus Eygenaer and his wife Neeltjen Laucks

13. William, #965; Bapt. Date: 29 Nov 1775; Parents: Cornelius Brink, Annatje Winne; Sponsors: Petrus Osterhout and his wife Marytje

14. Cornelia, #1045; Bapt. Date: 25 Apr 1778; Parents: Cornelius Brink, Annatje Winnie
Sponsors: Martinus Post, Arriantje Post

Best regards,
Pam Sears

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

pjsears — 2009-09-30 15:21:12Z

Dear Paintmaryhill,

The birth or baptismal record for your Wilhelmus France does not appear in the records that are available to me.

He may be the son of Jacobus France and Catharina Freet, who appeared as witnesses at the baptism of Jacobus France, the (first) son of Wilhelmus France and Annatje Brink at the Katsbaan Church in Saugerties, Ulster, NY:

Jacobus #1399; Bapt. Date: 15 May 1785; Parents: Wilhelmus France, Annatie Brink; Sponsors: Jacobus France, Catharina Freet
Source: Katsbaan Church Records

Since he was age 29 at marriage (and therefore certainly born in 1754), the record that "Saare" suggested would not be correct, for that Wilhelmus Franz was baptized in 1761.

It is possible that your Wilhelmus France was a Palatine, so you may want to access the book "The Palatine Families of New York. A Study of the German Immigrants Who Arrived in Colonial New York in 1710" published in 1985 by Henry Z. Jones. He also published "More Palatine Families" and "Even More Palatine Families" (a 3 volume work) which is even more complete.

Annatjen (Hannah) Brink was also baptized at Katsbaan:

Annatien #584; Bapt. Date: Jun 1765; Parents: Cornelis Brinck, Annatien Winnen; Sponsors: Petrus Brinck, Annatien Brinck
Source: Katsbaan Church Records

Best regards,
Pam Sears

Re: looking for parents of William Wilhelmus France

pjsears — 2009-10-04 03:35:30Z

Excuse me, but yes you certainly can rule out the baptismal record of 6 November 1761.

1) The 1761 baptismal record was for Wilhelmus, the son of Jacob Frantz and his wife Catharina (surname not given).

Wilhelmus #2307; Birth Date: 6 Nov 1761; Bapt. Date: 1762 / 1st ADVNT / [*]; Parents: Jacob Frans, Catharina; Sponsors: Wilhelmus Emmerich, Margaretha
Source: Baptism Record of Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church, Athens

Wilhelmus France and wife Annetje Brink named their eldest son Jacobus (not Jacob) and the witnesses at the baptism were Jacobus (not Jacob) France and Catharina Freet.

Jacobus #1399; Bapt. Date: 15 May 1785; Parents: Wilhelmus France, Annatie Brink; Sponsors: Jacobus France, Catharina Freet
Source: Katsbaan Church Records

2) The gravestone records for Wilhelmus France and his wife Hannah (Annatje Brink) France also confirm his date of birth in 1754, as follows:

Poucher, J. Wilson, Old gravestones of Ulster County, New York : (1931,) p 248
Finger Burying Ground, copied by Byron J. Terwilliger, June 1925
#54. France, Wilhelmus, July 12, 1848, aged 93-9-26
#52. France, Hannah, May 5, 1852, aged 86-11-13

His age at death calculates out to a birth date of 16 September 1754.

Therefore, his memory was neither faulty when he married (at age 29) nor when he died (at age 93).

Best regards,
Pam Sears

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

pjsears — 2009-10-06 02:24:17Z

Barbara wrote:

I have a will here of a Matty Jansen..it mentions his daughter Marritie Jansen married to a Johannis Decker ...both have a daughter named Magdalena and a Ragel...the will is from 1727....would that be of any interest?
******************

The will above referred to is this:

Anjou, Gustave, Ulster County, N.Y. probate records in the office of the surrogate, and in the county clerk's office at Kingston, N.Y.
New York: G. Anjou, 1906, pp 116-117
Book of Deeds, Liber III (CC)
Page 353 -- Mattys Jansen of Kingston, Cordwainer; will dated 21 Aug 1727
Legacies to children eldest son Johannes, daughters Magdalena & Ragel, sons Thomas, Cornelis & Jacobus, and Grietie (wife of Lewis de Bois) and Marritie (wife of Johannis Decker). Eldest son Johannis, brother Thomas Jansen and brother John Crooke Junior appointed guardians of youngest children. Four sons Johannis, Thomas, Cornelis and Jacob appointed Executors. Signed by testator. Witnesses: Petrus Vas, Hendrick Jansen, and Gil Livingston. Codicil dated 21 Aug 1727. Proved in Court 5 Oct 1727 (1st year of George II).

Matthys Jansen and wife Rachel Popinga did indeed have daughters Magdalena and Rachel, but Johannes Decker and his wife Marritje Jansen did not have a daughter Magdalena.

Best regards,
Pam Sears

Re: Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Shawangunk

pjsears — 2009-10-06 01:48:18Z

Dear Dave,

The records of the Reformed Church of Shawangunk, as published, only begin in 1750. The church itself was built between 1751 and 1755 and the first formal congregation was assembled in 1753. See:

http://www.shawangunkreformed.org/aboutus.htm

I believe the Lena Decker you are asking about was baptized at Rochester (recorded at Kingston) and the record reads as follows:

[Hoes B#2729] 10 Jan 1720; Willem Dekker, Rachel Van Aaken, Lena, "Bp'd in Raysester," [Rochester], Ysaak Van Aaken, Leentjen Zuyland

Her brother Abraham was also baptized at Kingston:

[Hoes B#2957] 14 Jan 1722; Willem Dekker, Rachel Van Aaken; Abrhaham; Wit: Willem West, and his wife.

Dorothy Koenig was kind enough to post the following on John Andrew and his wife Lena [Decker] back in 2008:

Dorothy wrote:

On 12 July 1761 John and Lena Andrew were witnesses (godparents) at the baptism of little "John", the son of Thomas Andrew and Rachel Oostrander.

Two years earlier on 21 Nov 1759 in the same church John Andrew and Lena Decker were witnesses at the baptism of little "Moses", the son of Abraham Smeedes and Geertie Swart.

On pages 587 and 588 of the compiled "Ostrander, a genealogical record..." published in 1999, it says that the Thomas Andrew who married Rachel Ostrander was the son of John Andrew and Lena ____. Thomas Andrew and Rachel Ostrander were married in Shawangunk Church on 10 February 1760. Rachel's older brother, Jacobus Ostrander,
married Elizabeth Andrew, sister of Thomas.

The Ostrander book also says, "...Elizabeth Andrew came from a family noted for its Loyalist activities. Elizabeth's father, John Andrew, had been driven from his home in Half Moon by harassment from a pack of Super-Patriots who considered him a dangerous man. He lost his home and possessions and was age 72, but he managed to struggle through the wilderness for and entire year before reaching safe haven in Canada...Others of the Andrew surname who preferred British Canada to Revolutionary New York included Abraham, George, Joseph, Michael, and Robert Andrew."

Dorothy Koenig in an email to NYUlster dated 19 Sep 2008

Best regards,
Pam Sears

Re: Kingston Church on Wurts Street

floydsboy — 2009-10-14 02:17:12Z

From newspaper mentions including his wifes obit in the 10/26/1915 Kingston Freeman. He was pastor of the Wurts Srteet Baptist church.
Wayne