Wow Harvey in Michigan, that is one I've not heard of. According to what the family believe Harvey was born 1 Oct 1813 in Onondaga County, Ny. The previous child was born 1810 in CT. So Truman and family would have moved from CT to Ny between those years. Also the land records you and I found show he bought land in what is now DeRuyter Ny in June of 1813. DeRuyter sits in 4 counties one being Onondaga. A Truman Messinger is listed in Fabius Ny Census in 1820. I have Harvey's probate, so am familiar with that but Truman is being a bit harder. He was in the Ohio, Huron County, census in 1840 but no longer in the 1850. However, Lois, his wife, is in the 1850 Ohio census living with her granddaughter who was daughter of Harvey. I really hope to find Truman and his probate or Lois and her probate. I will check in Michigan may be some land records there. Delilah