Dutchess - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Orderiing Death Certificate

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-24 06:33:07Z

Where would order a death certificate from for someone who died in dutchess county ?

Re: Martha "Patty" Van Wagenen

JudyH01 — 2013-05-23 22:20:06Z

found this in Pine Plains paper,not sure if its her,just a death notice, not an obit

VAN WAGNER.At-Willow Brook-.-- March-l8,l892.
Mrs. Martha .Van Wagner, aged 86 years.

Martha "Patty" Van Wagenen

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-23 06:28:43Z

am wondering if there is a obit for Martha "Patty" Van Wagenen who died March 17, 1892 and is buried in Stanfordville.

Re: William Van Wagner

karimagameel — 2013-05-23 03:00:05Z

Ooops - that should have been Johannes/John G Van WAGENEN, not Wagener, in my previous message -

Re: William Van Wagner

karimagameel — 2013-05-23 02:56:57Z

NY Births & Christenings database at LDS has Johannes/John G Van WAGENER & Lydia Sammons as parents for both Frederick & William - Frederick b 02 Feb 1823, bapt 04 Mar 1823 & William b 30 Oct 1825, bapt 22 Dec 1825, both at the Reformed Church in Rhinebeck. In the 1900 census with Louise in Rhinebeck he says he was born in May tho.....he appears in census as William I Van Wagenen & also in his death notice. Louise's death notice has her as widow of William I Van Wagenen.

Rev War recs for a Frederick Sammons mentions a John Van Wagenen.........possibly he was the father of Lydia (?) & Frederick b 1823 was named for her father (?)

Have you looked at Settlers of the Beekman Patent ? beekmansettlers.com. Frank Doherty is a generous man & if he has something on your family he is happy to share. He hasn't finished up to the letter "V" yet but may have something in his files.

Also, how about Hank Jones & his Palatine books ? Hank is another generous soul. If you just type in "The Palatine Families of New York 1710" something should come up to enable you to contact him.

Have the thought that the initial "I" may be a tiny clue - perhaps there's another William I further back or maybe another ancestor with a name that starts with "I"

Anyway, do try Hank & Frank if you haven't already. Hope it helps a bit :)

Vicky in AZ

Re: William Van Wagner

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-22 20:33:43Z

could be brother to my great grandfather Frederick who was born and baptised in Rhinebeck 1823. am trying to verify of william is brother. if he is parents were johannes snd lydia sammons

Re: William Van Wagner

thomasker2 — 2013-05-22 19:50:09Z

I’m not related to any member of this family.

Where was he born and when???

Facts you should know about the early census records –

All census records [1790 – 1840] prior to the 1850 census ONLY listed the head of household; whether male or female.

NO specific age was stated for any family member
NO place of birth was stated – city, state, or country
NO city, town, or village is stated – only the county; however some census takers listed the township
NO street address was stated
NO marital status was stated – single, married, widowed, or divorced
NO family relationship was stated – brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, wife, inlaw, etc…
NO occupation was stated
NO parental birthplaces are stated
NO race was stated [but assume “white”]

1850, 1860 & 1870 census records do not show family relationships, marital status or parental birthplaces.

Step children are not enumerated as “step” children
Adopted children are not enumerated as “adopted”
Grand children are not enumerated as “grand children”
Orphaned children were not enumerated as "orphan"

1850 is the 1st census that shows all family members

1880 is the 1st census that shows parental birthplaces and family relationships +++

Re: Van Wagenen buried in RDC Cemetery in Rhinebeck

cheryl7849 — 2013-05-22 12:33:45Z

Forgot to give you my email address: cheryl7849@gmail.com

Re: Van Wagenen buried in RDC Cemetery in Rhinebeck

cheryl7849 — 2013-05-22 12:28:26Z

There are 15 Van Wagenen burials in the RDC Cemetery, according to Arthur C.M. Kelly's book, "Rhinebeck New York, Death Records of The 18th and 19th Centuries". Please send me your email address directly, and I will scan the page & send it to you.

I live in Rhinebeck, and most of the stones in this cemetery are illegible, due to age.

Van Wagenen buried in RDC Cemetery in Rhinebeck

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-21 17:25:04Z

I AM INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT IF THERE IS ANY RECORD OF VAN WAGENEN WHO IS BURIED IN THE CEMETERY AND WHO DIED 1833. I VIEWED TOMBSTONE AT WWW.FINDAGRAVE.COM

William Van Wagner

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-21 17:22:05Z

am seeking information on William and family. They lived in Rhinebeck in 1860 and 1870 and family was William, Louisa and son Arthur. Am interested in finding out who were William's parents.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

ballochmore — 2013-05-20 15:59:41Z

Too bad about "W.A." & "M.A" I had convinced myself it was "M. A." as in Marion Allan, and got frustrated because I couldn't find a birth !! I definitely think someone is trying to tell you something re. the misfiled map !! I am also working on the possibility that Andrew Leslie died soon after the marriage, perhaps even on the journey to the U.S. The reason is that I discovered a Janet Allan on the 1851 census for Falkirk in Scotland. She is shown as Janet Allan, Daughter of Marion Allan. She is living with her mother on the family farm, all of which I know well. However, the name given, as I said, is Janet Allan, but it also states that she is married !! If she was married, then her name would not be Allan, it would be Leslie.Unless, of course, Andrew Leslie is now deceased. This is turning into a real mystery. An early death in the 1800's I can understand. What I have a hard time with is that, if she did go to New York as that document states, she must have been more wealthy than most to be able to go back to Scotland. I guess it's back to passenger lists again !!

Thanks for the update on Ellicott. I will chase after that as well.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-20 11:46:02Z

I looked again at the census for 1860 for the Gainers/Gaynors, and the child's name was actually W A, not MA The census taker's handwriting was difficult to decipher. I also looked at historic maps of Dutchess County and that area, hoping to get a clue of what farm they lived on, and by some weird fluke, on the page for the Town of Stanford where Attlebury is located, there was a map of Ellicott New York. Ellicott is not in Dutchess county. The entire atlas had all the proper pages, and the one that is pertinent was missing, and in its place, a misfiled map!
Patrick Gainer/Gaynor was a common name. I can't find them past the 1860 census, but found many Patricks. Andrew Leslie and his wife are difficult to find too. There are several Andrews, and several Janet Allans in the passenger lists. Couldn't find Janet under the name of Leslie.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-16 18:28:50Z

That's too bad that Cornishminer is a sloppy researcher.
I've had similar problems with people who refuse to delete my relatives from their trees even when it is clear that we are not related. That's why I made my tree private - so others can't lift the information inappropriately.

I did find a Patrick Gaynor living in Wisconsin in 1870. He was a farmer with a wife and daughter. This is plausible because farmers tended to migrate westward in the 19th century. The first census I found in NY on the Gaynors/Gainers was from 1860. All the ages matched, so did birthplaces to this 1870 census. However, the names didn't match. The wife was Mary and the daughter Ann. So I continue scrolling down and found the 1870 Patrick living in Wisconsin in 1860. Different family!

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

ballochmore — 2013-05-16 00:47:46Z

Thanks again.

Unfortunately the link did not work very well but as it happens I know of "Cornishminer" She does not know of New York and in addition while she has got some facts correct, a lot are just plain wrong. For example she has Andrew Leslie in Cincinnati with a different family. She has both Andrew and Janet living in two different places at the same time.

Bottom line is that she does not have any info. that I do not already have, and the extras are incorrect. I have mentioned this to her but got no response.

Please do not let that stop you.

I very much appreciate your efforts and it is slowly beginning to move ahead.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 23:35:36Z

I found Janet and Andrew in a Public Member Tree on ancestry.com. Are you a subscriber of ancestry.com? The tree is owned by someone who calls himself cornishminer, and he's from out west in the USA.
I'll post the link to his profile but I don't know if it'll work:

http://community.ancestry.com/profile.aspx?mba=012070a1-0001...
I'm going offline now for the rest of the night. Good luck.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

ballochmore — 2013-05-15 22:41:58Z

I am not sure.

My Janet Allan was born in Falkirk, Scotland in 1813.
According to the legal document I have, she was married to Andrew Leslie and was living in Attlebury, Dutchess County in 1864.

A sister, Marion, who was married to Patrick Gainer, was also there in 1864.

As you know, married women were frequently referred to by their maiden name. So without more info. I cannot answer your question.

Just to add to this wee mystery, Janet died in Glasgow, Scotland in 1896 and had been married to 1. Andrew Leslie and 2. John Fraser.

Do the passenger lists indicate if Janet was traveling alone, or with others?

Re: hudson river state hospital

dorothykp1 — 2013-05-15 21:21:30Z

Thank you Debbie,
I am still looking although there is so little in the way of leads that I sometimes give it up for a while.

I don't often check Ancestry, so if you could send whatever you have to my personal email, I'd appreciate it. My email is dorothykp@comcast.net.

Thanks again. It is nice to know you made some progress. Perhaps I will hit it luck too.
Dorothy

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 20:53:10Z

I found three Janet Allans who were born in Scotland 1816-1820 and arrived in New York City from Glasgow in 1848, 1849, and 1852, in the New York Passenger Arrival Lists. They arrived in New York City.

Any connection to your Janet?

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 20:31:42Z

I'll see if they appear in any later censuses.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

ballochmore — 2013-05-15 20:24:16Z

This is a great help. Thank You.

I think that possibly M. A. may mean Marion Allan
as that was a common practice in Scotland at that time.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 18:32:55Z

This is what I found in the US Federal Census of 1860:

Patrick Gainer age 44 born in Ireland Farm Laborer in Pine Plains
M Gainer wife age 41 born in Scotland
MA (Mary Ann?) Gainer age 3 daughter born in New York

From:Year: 1860; Census Place: Pine Plains, Dutchess, New York; Roll: M653_742; Page: 1047; Image: 532; Family History Library Film: 803742.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 18:23:26Z

The correct spelling of the name of the hamlet is Attlebury . It is located in the Township of Stanford near the village of Pine Plains in Dutchess County. Here is a link to the Dutchess County Historical Society . They may have more information on the history of Attlebury and its inhabitants
http://www.dutchesscountyhistoricalsociety.org/home.aspx

Here is a link to the Stanford Historical Society:http://www.townofstanford.org/stanford-historical-society/ and here is listing of all historical societies in Dutchess County:http://midhudsonheritage.org/page/dutchess-county

We knew three elderly sisters whose maiden names were Allen and they were from that part of the county. Unfortunately, they are all deceased now. I'll see what I can find.

˙·٠•● POUGH family from Esopus ●•٠·˙

Av8trxx — 2013-05-15 17:58:16Z

Cold trail advice?
Any idea where to find records/info for these people?
Anyone have a resource they can dig through?

WILLIAM Freer Pough*
b. 22 Jul 1818 in Esopus, Ulster, NY
m. Hannah "Anna" Degraff (d. 4 April 1859)
d. 11 Jul 1897 in Esopus, Ulster, NY
*Buried at Teerpenning Family Ground
Father of -

JOHN L. Pough (m. Sarah C. Burger 1849 – 1918)
who was father of -

ALONZO Wager Pough b. abt 1872 (m1 to Anna Schealsky & m2 Mary "Elizabeth").

Thanks in advance!

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

ballochmore — 2013-05-15 16:39:00Z

I do not know for sure as far as these folks are concerned, but I do know that this has happened frequently with other ancestors who went to the U.S.

So, it is entirely possible that they were known as "ALLEN"

I have been searching under both spellings.
It is also possible that Andrew Leslie who was married to Janet Allan (or Allen) died in New York State.

Re: Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 15:27:32Z

Could the name also have been spelled "Allen"?

Re: ˙·٠•● POUGH family from Esopus ●•٠·˙

mrsdalloway — 2013-05-15 15:26:20Z

Have you also posted this on the Ulster County board? Esopus is in Ulster County across the Hudson from Dutchess County.

Allan Family in Attleberry, Duchess County

ballochmore — 2013-05-12 14:23:03Z

I have just obtained copies of various legal Documents regarding my ancestors,one of which mentions Janet Allan and Marion Allan.

An extract from one of these legal documents is as follows :-
"...the said Janet Allan or Leslie, being presently resident in Attleberry, Duchess County, State of New York" and also

"Marion Allan or Gayner, wife of Patrick Gayner, resident in Duchess County, State of New York"

While I do have the birth of these sisters, and their siblings, I knew nothing else until their names popped up in this Minute of Agreement. The agreement is dated 26 January, 1865 in Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland which is where my family are from.

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Rob Allan

Re: Vital Records of First Presbyterian Church, Amenia

mnero1980 — 2013-05-10 17:49:14Z

Thank you for looking. Good luck in your own research endeauvers.

Re: Vital Records of First Presbyterian Church, Amenia

fergiebleu — 2013-05-10 12:47:15Z

Hello,
First, yes I have purchased a couple of the Kinship books and one I found helpful and the other, while not having the exact people I was searching for, had other relatives in my tree.
Unfortunately in this particular book there are no Cussutticas under any spelling variation.
There was a Finkle though.
On 6/22/1919 a Miss Mary Finkle of Lime Rock, CT married James E. Benedict of Millerton, NY.

Re: Vital Records of First Presbyterian Church, Amenia

mnero1980 — 2013-05-10 04:02:40Z

Hello. Let me first say Thank you for your time. I am researching my Great Grandfather who's surname is cussuttica (possibly born in 1863, and originally from Poland). It is a rare name that has lead me to many dead ends. My great grandmother's name was Anna Emily Finkle; she was much younger than him. I am inquiring about the surname: Cussuttica.

Question: Have you purchased many kinship books? I hope you found what you were looking for when you bought it!

Re: KAMPF family from Fishkill 1900

PatHaley32 — 2013-05-07 21:54:48Z

Viola's sister is my grandmother, Louise Gertrude Kampf. Their father is Stephen Kampf(1861-1895); their mother, Emma (1866-1945). I found a marriage record on line for Viola and Frederick E. Bartlett which gave Viola's mother's name as Emily Brilleman, which is incorrect. Emily Brilleman is Viola's grandmother. Viola's father died at a young age and her mother remarried. I have yet to learn Emma's maiden name.
I am happy to exchange more family info.
Pat

Andersons from Fishkill

bhbrat2 — 2013-05-06 16:14:08Z

I am looking for any info on the parents of Newell H. Anderson, born in Fishkill, NY on 31 July, 1886 and his sister Blanche, born in May ,1894. They show up in the 1900
census with their Mother Margaret( Maggie ) Anderson ,living with an Aunt Julia Haight but no father. The father is I believe Henry Anderson b. 1860. I have no date on the mother. She is a Haight I believe. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated

Re: Catherine HUMPHREY (1773-1861)- Towns of Clinton/Hyde Park, Dutchess Co., N.Y.

Drjwhite — 2013-04-26 16:51:57Z

Thank you for any light you might shed on her ancestors. My "guess" is a John Humphrey, Jr., son of John Humphrey. Both appear in the right area in the 1790 Federal Census.

Re: Catherine HUMPHREY (1773-1861)- Towns of Clinton/Hyde Park, Dutchess Co., N.Y.

kellyjoeb_1 — 2013-04-25 19:19:41Z

I have my thoughts on who the father of Catherine HUMPHREY (1773-1861) is, but I do not have my family tree database with me in Fl. She m. Walter SLEIGHT. I will be back at my home in May. I will have to check to see if I have a dau. named Sarah Ann of her. Please reply with your e-mail address.

Poughkeepsie Journal- Searchable Digital

jcorey48 — 2013-04-25 18:51:50Z

Does anyone know where one can access old PJs on line (now that Fold3 has dropped the paper) ?

Thanks,
Jim C, West Virginia

Re: hudson river state hospital

RyDeb — 2013-04-25 15:48:12Z

The file I have is a .pdf and it won't let me attach it.. you can send me a message, or email me at debbie_miller@cox.net and I'll forward it to you.

Re: hudson river state hospital

RyDeb — 2013-04-25 15:46:46Z

They don't have actual hospital records, however they have death records if you believe your relative died at the hospital. I filled out the form and sent in payment and had my death certificate in about 2 weeks! Here's the info they sent me with the form to fill out:

Please find the form with instruction and prices attached
Please mail back to

Susan Miller, Town Clerk
1 Overocker Road
Poughkeepsie, NY 12603

Must be Money Order made to Town of Poughkeepsie.

(I'm trying to attach the form to this post, but I'm not sure if it will work - if it doesn't- please send me a message with your email address!)

Re: Catherine HUMPHREY (1773-1861)- Towns of Clinton/Hyde Park, Dutchess Co., N.Y.

Drjwhite — 2013-04-25 03:00:45Z

I am also looking for parents for Catherine and her husband, Walter. I believe that they had a daughter Sarah Ann, born about 1809. She was the wife of Samuel Ackert.

Re: hudson river state hospital

dorothykp1 — 2013-04-24 17:08:25Z

Hi Marigold,
I don't check my replies on ancestry very often so I'm glad I saw yours.

Have you made any progress in your search? My granduncle was there around the same time your person was there. I have a few letters he wrote to family that place him there as well as Census records, but have not been able to get any further. One of the folks who replied to my request has suggested New York State Archives. Have just given that a look because I do not have time to follow up today. If I get beyond this brick wall I will post it on ancestry.
Dorothy

Re: hudson river state hospital

dorothykp1 — 2013-04-24 16:46:24Z

Hi,
I don't often check my messages on Ancestry so I'm pleased to see that I have had some responses to the brick wall question.

Thank you so much for your offer to send me a form to obtain a death certificate. I' d be most grateful to receive it. Have you had any luck in getting information from hudson river state hospital. The person I am researching is a granduncle. He was in/out of the hospital. I have bits and pieces of information, but not enough to make sense of the stories I've heard..

Again, thanks for your offer.
Dorothy

Re: WILLIAM D. WILLIAMS FAMILY

bcfrench — 2013-04-24 01:46:44Z

I am a descendent through Eliza Williams Austin.

Eliza Williams Austin > Dempster Austin > Arthur Austin > Helen Louise Austin > William Curtis > me

Any information you'd be willing to share on William/Eunice Williams and family would be greatly appreciated.

Re: WILLIAM D. WILLIAMS FAMILY

PRegan2521 — 2013-04-23 18:35:54Z

I have done extensive research on Wm. D Williams and his brother, sister since I wrote that email. I also have all their siblings that were in the Adams area and their burial location and property locations. I had just started on this line I did find Pittstown but limited info on it and somehow connected this as a good possible with my Wm. I am a professional Genealogist but had just started research on this line at the time I wrote that email. Iappreciate your email and May I ask your connection to this family? Are you also a descendant? Your name and how? Hoping to connect more with you.

Re: WILLIAM D. WILLIAMS FAMILY

bcfrench — 2013-04-22 21:17:47Z

I know this is an extremely old thread, but I'm trying to spread the word as much as possible: William and Eunice's daughter Eliza was NOT born in Patterson. This is a widespread error that began with an essay in DESCENDENTS OF ROBERT AUSTIN by her son Dempster Christie Austin, where he misremembered the name of her birthplace. Eliza was born in Pittstown, Rensselaer, New York, not Patterson. 1855 and 1865 state census records confirm that Eliza Williams Green Austin was born in Rensselaer County, as was her brother Ebenezer Williams (b. 1808).

There is a child named Zimri Williams buried in Pittstown in 1810 (d. aged 10) and the grave is marked "son of William & Eunice Williams", which further confirms placement of this family in this location. The family was in Dutchess County, but relocated first to Pittstown sometime around 1805-1807, and then to Adams, Jefferson, New York by 1820. I am in the process of tracking down the various children of William D. at this time to try to nail down the exact timing further.

Re: hudson river state hospital

RyDeb — 2013-04-17 19:58:06Z

Not sure if you're still looking, but I just received my g-g grandmother's death certificate from the Town of Poughkeepsie. She was a patient in the 1930 census. It listed cause of death, how long she was at the facility, etc. Shoot me a message and I can send you the form and the info via email.

Re: Marriage Look up - Dangerfield & Petty

azdiana53 — 2013-04-11 16:51:57Z

Mary Anne, my thanks! Wonderful-- my hunch was correct, really appreciate your taking time to look this up for me.
Thank you!!
Diana

Re: Marriage Look up - Dangerfield & Petty

aggieway — 2013-04-10 23:52:05Z

Diana,

The NYS Vital Records Index shows that Thomas Dangerfield married Clara A. A. Petty on 12/24/1902 in Norwich, NY. The state record number is 26841. No further information is shown in the index. If you need a copy of the record, you will be better off obtaining it from the locality as NYS response times are painfully slow.

Hope this helps!
Mary Anne

Re: Marriage Look up - Dangerfield & Petty

aggieway — 2013-04-10 23:51:44Z

Michael O'Donnell b. 1842 Ireland d. between 1920 -1925 Arlington, NY

Sarah_Hein — 2013-04-10 01:43:23Z

I am looking for any information on Michael O'Donnell. I have found him on the census records up to 1920, but disappears in the NY 1925 census. He was naturalized on 18 October 1875. I am trying to find the name of his father and mother and his birthplace in Ireland. I am traveling to Ireland in June and would love to take pictures to bring back to his granddaughter who is 93 to see.

Some more information:

He married Pearcy "Anna" Todd on 28 Dec 1868 in Tattnall County, GA.

Attached is a passport application done by his son, Richard O'Donnell.

Thanks!

KAMPF family from Fishkill 1900

sab54 — 2013-04-03 15:41:08Z

I found a Stephen Kempf and family listed on 1900 census and hoping to connect with other who know of this line..

With the family, there is listed a granddaughter, VIOLA
A. KEMPF., B. 1891 NY..

In 1909, a VIOLA AGNES KAMPF, age 18, marred a FREDERICK BARTLETT, in NYC.. Frederick died in 1911.

I am trying to find her..working on the BARTlETT LINE.

Anyone related that can help me ?? Can anyone tell me her parents names?? Happy to exchange info.

stephen kempf b. 1826 Alsace Germany
Emile kempf b. 1829 Germany
Louisa C. Kempf b. 1889 NY (gd)
Viola A. Kempf b. 1891 (gd)

Thanks in advance..

sheilah