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Re: James SIMKINS/Margret KEEN marriage record from Gloria Dei Swedes Church

jiggilypuffs — 2013-05-11 17:20:56Z

Hi Val,
I tried to email you, but I don't have your current email address.

Christiana Keen married Robert Kitts on 13 Apr 1794 at the Trinity Episcopal Church in Gloucester Co. It will show up on ancestry.com in the "Pennsylvania, Church and Town Records, 1708-1985" if you search for "Christiana Keen" or "Robert Kitts"

-andrea

2 parcels in UPN sold by Robert Kitts to Andrew Boon 1792

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-05-04 17:03:16Z

16 Feb 1792 . Robert Kitts, Innkeeper of UPN to Andrew Boon, Shallopman of Philadelphia, PA.
Whereas Robert Harbeson sold one acre to Kitts on Oldmans Creek recorded 7 Mar 1786 plus another parcel of land and swamp which Kitts was well assured? by law ( may have bought at Sheriff's sale or perhaps just unrecorded?), 9 July 1787 for L500 gold and silver.
1. Land and swamp, beginning at a corner of lot #7, along same N53*W 5 chains to a stone. Then S37*W 2 chains to a stone. Then S53*E 5 chains to a lane or Street. Then North 37* E 2 chains to beginning.

Lot 2 Begins at a black oak corner in line of Dean Simpkins land to lands of Jacob Wright, running along Wrights N59* W 29 chains 25 lx to a corner.
Then S 31*E 21 ch to a Corner of Dean Simkpins , standing in Buchanan's field (that name looked like Bohannan but easier to read in another deed a few pages further in vnc) and by Simpkins again N 31*E 24 Chains and 20 links to beginning. Containing 33 acres, 1 rood and 9 perches, more or less. Witness Wm. Miller and Jacob Wright. signed Robert Kitts. Ack. by Kitts (no wife involved). recorded 4 Dec 1792
Deed Book A p. 227 Salem county clerk's archives, which have recently been moved to the Salem 5th Street Complex.

Abstracted by VNC 5/3/2013

Re: James SIMKINS/Margret KEEN marriage record from Gloria Dei Swedes Church

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-05-04 15:20:07Z

Hi Bill,

Sorry, just found this today as I circled back to this particular couple again. My email had changed in the interim, and I guess my attempt to update to the new one didn't work.

I found a Robert Kitts deed yesterday in the Salem county clerk's records, so trying to refresh my own notes, make sure I have it straight myself.

I think Robert Kitts was married three times. But I am trying to look at each piece of the puzzle and make sure everything fits.

Easier to start with Christiana. She married Jonas Keen February 15, 1763. You are correct, they were listed in the Swedish church register as having children from late that same year until 1782.
Jonas d. abt 1791, when Christiana was granted administration of his estate.

The Simpkins/Keen marriage record you see above, confirms her married again to Robert Kitts before 1797, when her daughter with Jonas Keen, Margret Keen, was getting married. Although I have yet to find a record of Christiana's marriage to Kitts, right now I date it between 1791 (death of Jonas Keen) and 1797.

When you look at the church register on Robert Kitts, it is directly stated he had children by his deceased first wife and in his will he names Matilda as his daughter by Mary Gibson. If he was legally married to Gibson or not, I don't know, but I've listed her as the 2nd wife and Christiana Vanneman Keen as his third.

Because the church register had a Mary Lounsbury b. 12 Oct 1757 living with Robert when it was taken, some think she may have been the same as the Mary Gibson he mentioned in his will. I don't have anything proves or disproves that theory.

It would really help to find his marriages, where ever they took place.

"Officers Chosen by the Court" as published in the last section of H. Stanley Craig's, "Salem County Genealogical Data, Vol. II". These names for the most part NOT in the book's index:
.
1775: Constables: LPN Robert Kitts, Joseph Cobner - UPN John Somerlin, William Strimple

That job would probably explain why later he was an innkeeper. I'm told getting a tavern License sort of perk reserved for those who had military service. But it places him in LPN at that time of his life. Though Keen and Vanneman I think were in UPN, hence his holding a tavern and hooking up with her in late life.

Hope this clarifies it for you, that the children of Robert Kitts were not by his last wife. Still don't know who first wife was, but working on it.

Robert Kitts left a will, and died about April of 1799, Christiana died about a year after him and also made a will. Neither of them mention any children between them. Hers are all Keens, his are Kitts. Though Robert does leave something to his wife's dau, Margert Keen, see? Honestly, just judging by her years of marriage and children with Keen, I wouldn't expect them to.

If you haven't seen, here's an abstract of Robert's will:

1796, April 11. Kitts, Robert of Upper Penns Neck, Salem Co., Innkeeper, will of.
Wife Christiana £100 in lieu of her dower; also all silver and household goods she brought to me; and her daughter, Margaret Keen, to have same should wife predecease me.
Grandsons Job and John Kitts (son of son John) each £30, when 21. To my daughter Martilla Kitts (daughter of Mary Gibson) £50. Daughter Ann (wife of Paul Jequatt), plantation in Pilesgrove bought of John Alman. To said Martilla Kitts (daughter of Mary Gibson) house and lot where I now live called the Tavern at Boon Cove from Delaware River up to Halten's line, together with 5 acres of woodland beginning at William Dickey's line and bounding on Catherine Helms' land. Son, Felix, remainder of the said Boon plantation whereon he now lives. To daughter Drucilla (wife of John Fenton) lot of land joining lands late Robert Herbeson's at Wrightstown which I purchased of Doctor McKee.
Residue to be divided between my children aforesaid, i.e, Ann Jequatt, Drucilla Fenton, Felix Kitts, and Martilla Kitts (daughter of Mary Gibson). Executors--son Felix and son-in-law, Paul Jequatt. Witnesses--Artis Seagraves, Charles Holton, Thomas Gibson.

1796, July 6. Codicil. Wife, Christiana to have room next to Delaware and 1/2 of garden. Property left daughter, Martilidia [sic](daughter of Mary Gibson) , to be divided among other children should said daughter die without issue. Witnesses--Artis Seagraves, Thomas Gibson, Thomas Peterson.

Proved April 30, 1799 Lib. 38, p. 398

1799, April 13. Inventory £1158.2.0; made by Thomas Peterson and Moses Wright.
File 2323Q

By Wrightstown he means Auburn. Specifically the lower end and out to the cemetery that still stands. Boon Cove I think would be what we now call Helms Cove, lower part of Pennsgrove,but both UPN in his lifetime. vnc
Hope that clears up your question.

Val

Allen Family

lguzman166 — 2013-04-25 19:14:12Z

I am looking for information on my gggg grandfather's family. His name was Mathew W. Allen born about 1792 in New Jersey. He married Margaret Wick in Salem County, NJ in 1813. I am looking for information on his parents or any siblings. All of Mathew and Margaret's children were born in Salem County, NJ before the family moved west btwn 1830 and 1840. In 1830, he lived in Pittsgrove, Salem County, NJ next door to a John Allen born in 1797 and two doors down from a Samuel Allen born in 1799. All three were carpenters. Wondering if they were brothers. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Marriage date for Garrett V. Whitesell

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-04-02 23:54:17Z

If you get the chance, stop by SCHS and check their death index file. All those based on a scrap book of obits, might find one for her.

The smaller churches couldn't support their own preacher always, so usually shared with another one, or several when the circuit riders were still going. So you could check Sharptown records in the historical society too. My mom's people all were members at Haines Neck, but I found their marriages on the books of Sharptown, and it was probably because they shared a minister at the time.

Auburn's records have been 'lost' by a minister who took them when I was a kid. But I found some of the marriages through familysearch. Sometimes show up under Atlantic county because someone didn't know Sculltown was in Salem county, confused it with Scullville. The name was changed around the time of the Civil war, so they couldn't find it on a map.

Re: Marriage date for Garrett V. Whitesell

p_damask — 2013-04-02 22:43:52Z

OK, now the answers to the questions;
Location
1850-UPN post office Penns Grove
1860-UPN
1870-UPN
1880-Lower PN
1895 NJ Census Lower PN (with other Whitesells. Related?)
Religion would most likely be Methodist, Emily (my gggm) his daughter was married in Emmanuel M.E. Church in Penns Grove I have the wedding certificate. Also Garrett V. SR. born 1818, is buried in that churchs cemetery. The church in Haines Neck and Emmanuel in Penns Grove where somehow associated at one time, I don't think they are now though. Perhaps a traveling minister? Not quite sure. The wedding to Elizabeth Pedrick is in H. Stanley Craigs,CD of Salem Cty.
I have not checked the Salem County Clerks office yet, I have to go over and let Andy Coldren copy some of my Civil War pics of the 12th NJ this week or next maybe I will stop by when I'm over there. Thanks for the pointers.
Perry

Re: Wright School

p_damask — 2013-04-02 22:11:29Z

Hope you can recognize someone in it or maybe where it is located!!
Goodluck
Perry

Re: Wright School

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-04-02 21:21:15Z

Yes! Love old pics. And beginning to realize how related we likely are.....

Re: Wright School

p_damask — 2013-04-02 20:51:27Z

The last names are Bishops, and they are Nellie Harris Bishop and Emily Summerill Bishop, my grandmothers sisters. They lived just down the road from your ancestors on the farm right down the road from Haines Neck Methodist Church. Several of them are buried in the front row of the cemetery. Some of my Englishs are buried there along with Whitesells, its a real family affair! If you would like I'll try and forward the pic?
Perry

Re: Marriage date for Garrett V. Whitesell

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-04-02 18:24:27Z

I don't have an answer so will ask you a few questions to consider. I just saw Garret and Elizabeth on the 1850 census for Upper Pennsneck.

So here are my questions. First is location? I can't say for certain exactly where in UPN they were located from the several pages I scanned. I recognize many of the names on those pages, but doesn't mean much unless you know enough to pin someone directly on the map. Many farmers were tenants when they were young, and might switch to another location each 'moving day', March 1st. And many found it tedious to travel too far to church, might make do with whatever was closest.

Next would be religion. Are you aware of any particular association or burial ground this branch might have used? I ask because I know many folks here in Auburn that followed the Baptist, so show up in Daretown Baptist records. There was a meeting house here for occasional use, but that was still the 'mother' church. Quaker meeting house in Pedricktown was laid down long time ago, but you'd see many of the members in the Pilesgrove (Woodstown) records.

And with a name like Garret V...which I would immediately associate with the Vannemans, could have had a strong affiliation with the Moravian, though earlier Swedish, and later the Methodists. Though you won't find records for all of the early churches, sort of hit or miss. Not always a minister full time, had to depend on supply. And not all ministers reliably sent in their returns, once it was made law to do so. I've read that many felt they owned their record books, took them where ever they went.

Most times it is the bride's home township where the law requires the application for license be made these days. Makes me wonder if it was so back then? Even if they just went to a JP.

Once in a while you'll see locals were married out of state, maybe because of family there or a favored minister or flat out elopement. So you can't rule out Delaware or Philadelphia. Or the ever popular Elkton, Maryland (no waiting).

Pedricks may have originated in Pedricktown, but they were all over the place by this time. The only Butlers in my own files were originally from Salem, later in Woodstown. Though I know of some had a farm on Perkintown Rd in UPN when I was a kid.

Which leads me to ask, where have you already looked? This might boil down to a process of elimination. Always the last place we look, eh? Your best bet, if you haven't already,would be to check with the Salem county clerk's office, see if they have on file. Cover more bases that way. Also the state archives in case they took out a license.

Good luck, let us know if you find them.

Val

Re: Wright School

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-04-02 17:17:41Z

Thank you for saying Perry. Glad to be back.

Can you tell me more about the children in the photo? Any names? Haines Neck is sort of ground zero for some of my family, many buried in the churchyard there. Though I was told the earlier generations attended Cranbury school in Mannington, so part of my confusion.

Despite that, three townships converge at Course's Landing (today just south of the blinker on Rt. 40). So not much of a stretch to imagine some going in either direction, depending how close they lived or what route they could take to get there.

Re: Wright School

p_damask — 2013-04-02 16:20:49Z

Valerie, glad to see that you are back on the boards! Thanks for returning the clue, and they are never too late especially when the questions have not yet been resolved!! You've helped me a couple of times before, both on these boards and up at GCHS years ago, so glad you have recovered and hope to hear more from you! Regards, Perry

Re: Marriage date for Garrett V. Whitesell

p_damask — 2013-04-02 15:39:50Z

As you noticed all the names are Salem County names and they all resided in Upper Penns Neck Township, which is where I grew up also. I hope that answers your question.
Perry

Re: Pedricktown, N.J.

brittniesmith — 2013-03-30 04:49:35Z

hi i understand look about pedrick town i steel look in to my self as will my grandpa walter bowser grandma his his dad walter sr .mom was shara e pedrick here dad was ingel kayle pedrick son of benjarim gails pedrick and sara elizabeth davport, benjarm dad was benjarm pedrick i find correction on tree for date too,son robert pedrick get wife in thar for wiil robert was jr his dad robert pedrick as will hithomas pedricks dad befor was roger, so 1600s
what try find is book publush on pedrick and town name for thim, i see what get if like that can you tell bet about your self how your related to pedrick,s please ,thank you
brittnie

Re: Pedrick Family History

brittniesmith — 2013-03-30 04:48:34Z

i also relade to roger pedrick ,i am 9th grat granddaughter. my grandpa water bowser farther mom was sarah e pedrick ,and form dad i have here how reled but do much books one but talk roger or family just pedrick jornal i love now some one something copy book on are family and town name for thim.
i just got now this few yrago most family will talk much pedrick hope any one
could help me i send linage to anyone just some tell history
we may be cousen ,how nows
brittnie

Re: Pedricktown, N.J.

brittniesmith — 2013-03-30 04:46:56Z

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brittnie i send email address if easey too,

Re: Wright School

Valerie_Caulfield — 2013-03-29 14:27:31Z

Hi, I know this clue comes very late, but unfortunately I was out of the game due to long illness.

I found in my files an index card for the obituary for a Joseph Sharper, published in the Pennsgrove Record July 12, 1934.

Sharper, (colored) Joseph 68 years of Upper Pennsneck Twp. d. July 9, 1934. Lived on 25 acres farm at WRIGHT's school house site, which he inherited from his father, Elisha Sharper. Survived by son, Oswald. Died instantly when hit by a car driven by Bert Mace.

Cannot tell you where I got this now, even the font used on the card I copied a bit unusual. However, with that publication date and some tax maps, should be able to locate the property in modern terms.

I apologize for the false lead in my previous entry on this topic. Long term Lymes that effected my ability to concentrate, I confused the Cranberry school which was in Mannington, with this one.

Not sure you will see this Perry, but hope that the record now stands corrected.

Val

Mathew W. Allen

lguzman166 — 2013-03-28 17:12:51Z

Looking for information on Mathew W. Allen who was born in New Jersey about 1793 and married Margaret Wick, daughter of John Nicholas and Margaret Wick, in Salem New Jersey in 1813. Looking for information on who his parent might be. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

VicPiper — 2013-03-26 02:51:08Z

Dear Board,
I am sorry if I posted my info on the wrong county, but the earlier messages seem to imply that Silas of Livingston Co. Mo. was the Silas Jr. of Cumberland Co. NJ and a grand son of William Smith and Abigail Davenport who was in turn a son of Abner who is the subject on this thread... whew..

I am trying to find a connection to Joseph Smith b. 5/14/1794 New Jersey d. 11/16/1875 Pettis County Missouri and married to Catherine Raines probably in North Carolina ca 1832. It would be a huge clue if I could find their marriage record!

Anyway, I appreciate any response and apologize for posting on the wrong county.

Sincerely,
Vic Piper

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

bobmaddox39 — 2013-03-26 00:02:40Z

I have a Silas Smith who was born either on 7 Jul 1801 or simply 1801. He married Salina McCoskrie in 1853 when he was 52 years old. Could he be the same Silas who married Ruhama in 1835 and died the same year?

An interesting story about him is recorded in a newspaper of the time: He was buried in McCoskrie Cemetery, Livingston, Missouri. He owned the grist mill at Dawn ( a town) which he sold on June 23, 1866. Later that day he was murdered and robbed by an unidentified group of men. No suspects were ever brought to trial."

Janice

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

jiggilypuffs — 2013-03-25 21:50:36Z

I know this is the Salem Co board, but I will answer it anyway.

This is the information I have. Silas's second wife was Mary "Polly" Nixon, daughter of Varvaser Nixon Sr. and Margaret Lummis. Her first husband was Daniel Dixon Jr. and they had 6 kids together.

I do not know what happened to Silas's children.
-andrea

1. Silas SMITH Sr. (b.9 Apr 1769 d.Aft 1805)
sp: Sarah ELMER (d.23 Nov 1817)
|-2. Silas SMITH Jr. (b.Bef 16 Aug 1801)
| sp: Ruhama PARENT (b.Abt 19 Feb 1809 m.12 Jan 1835 d.17 Dec 1835-Old Stone Church,Fairfield,Cumberland,NJ)
|-2. Abigail SMITH (b.Bef 19 Aug 1804)
|-2. Sarah SMITH (b.Bef 1805 d.Aft 1805)
|-2. Daniel SMITH (I) (b.Bef 15 Feb 1807 d.Bef 1813)
|-2. Hannah SMITH (b.Bef 10 Dec 1809)
|-2. Daniel SMITH (II) (b.Bef 2 Apr 1813)
sp: Mary "Polly" NIXON (b.1775 m.12 Mar 1818 d.Abt 1842-Cumbelrand Co,NJ)
+-2. 6 Kids SMITH

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

VicPiper — 2013-03-25 21:24:02Z

Dear Board,
I have become extremely interested in the Silas Smith and Sarah Elmer family, and I am finding several records of interest in Cumberland Co. NJ.

Does anyone have a list of their children? Did any of this branch of Smith's go to North Carolina? I am aware of Silas of Livingston Co. Mo., Did other's of the family end up in Missouri?

Sincerely
Vic Piper
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New Jersey Births and Christenings, 1660-1980
Name: Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Dec 1794
Baptism/Christening Place: PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, FAIRFIELD, CUMBERLAND, NEW JERSEY
Birth Date:
Father's Name: Silas Smith
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J52436-1
System Origin: New_Jersey-ODM
Source Film Number: 503555

Name: Silas Smith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Aug 1801
Christening Place: PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, FAIRFIELD, CUMBERLAND, NEW JERSEY
Father's Name: Silas Smith
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J52436-1
System Origin: New_Jersey-ODM
GS Film number: 0503555 IT 3-8

Name: Daniel Smith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Feb 1807
Christening Place: PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, FAIRFIELD, CUMBERLAND, NEW JERSEY
Father's Name: Silas Smith
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J52436-1
System Origin: New_Jersey-ODM
GS Film number: 0503555 IT 3-8
Reference ID:

Name: Hannah Smith
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Dec 1809
Christening Place: PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, FAIRFIELD, CUMBERLAND, NEW JERSEY
Father's Name: Silas Smith
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: K52436-1
System Origin: New_Jersey-ODM
GS Film number: 0503555 IT 3-8
Reference ID:

Name: James Smith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1809
(Parents names not given)
Christening Place: PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, FAIRFIELD, CUMBERLAND, NEW JERSEY
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J52436-1
System Origin: New_Jersey-ODM
GS Film number: 0503555 IT 3-8
Reference ID:

Title: Genealogy of the Elmer and the More families
Authors: Elmer, Lucius Q. C.
City of Publication: Boston, Mass. :
Publisher: Cornhill Pub. Co.,
Date: 1930 - confirms the following information

rootsweb field-gephart
iv. Sarah ELMER was born ABT. 1774, and died BEF. 1818. She married Silas SMITH ABT. 1793 in Bridgeton, Cumberland County, New Jersey, son of William SMITH and Abigail DAVENPORT. He was born 9 APR 1769 in Deerfield Twp., Cumberland County, New Jersey.

rootsweb list message
|--3-Silas SMITH b: Bef 1785, , Cumberland, New Jersey
| | sp: Sarah ELMER b: Abt 1774, , Cumberland, New Jersey, d: Bef
1818, ,
| | Cumberland, New Jersey
| | sp: Mary NIXON b: 1775, , Cumberland, New Jersey

Old Stone Church (First Presbyterian Church of South Jersey
"Signers of Agreement in Fairfield, June 10, 1697
•Smith, Eleazar
•Smith, John
•Smith, Joseph

Fairfield Extracted from Tombstone Inscriptions, Presbyterian Church,
Cumberland Co., NJ
Sarah SMITH, d. 27 Aug 1821, in 49th yr
Rhuhama, wife of Silas SMITH, d. 17 Dec 1835, ae 26 yrs, 9 mos, 27 dys
Daniel SMITH (no dates or age)
Mary SMITH, d. 8 Jun 1842, in 65th yr
William SMITH, d. 19 Sep 1860, ae 89 yrs, 3 dys
Esther SMITH, wife of William SMITH, d. 1 Jan 1850, ae 70 yrs, 20 dys
Elizabeth SMITH, wife of William SMITH, d. 14 Sep 1798, in 19th yr
Ephraim SMITH, b. 11 dec 1798, d. 17 Feb 1874; "husband & father"

Name: Silas Smith
Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 12 Mar 1818
Event Place: Cumberland, New Jersey
Spouse's Name: Mary Dixon
Page: 318
GS Film number: 853720
Digital Folder Number: 004541234
Image Number: 00202

Name: Silas Smith Junr
Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 12 Jan 1835
Event Place: Cumberland, New Jersey
Spouse's Name: R*Anna Faventt
Page: 361
GS Film number: 853720
Digital Folder Number: 004541234
Image Number: 00224

Re: Marriage date for Garrett V. Whitesell

jmyoung365 — 2013-03-20 01:50:05Z

I realize these are Salem County names but you haven't specified the connection of your query to the county---please explain the connection.

Thanks!

Joan, board admin
Salem County message board

Marriage date for Garrett V. Whitesell

p_damask — 2013-03-20 01:48:34Z

Garrett V. Whitesell (b Feb 9 1818)seems to have married twice. Once to an Elizabeth Butler, and once to an Elizabeth Pedrick on 10/18/1866. Does anyone know where I can find the marriage and the death date of the first Elizabeth? I believe it to be between 1860 and 1870 by viewing the Fed. Census for those years and the date of the second marrige being 1866. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Perry

Re: James Cahalens and Rachel Howel M. 1761 Salem County, NJ

jiggilypuffs — 2013-03-17 15:56:09Z

Hi again, Don.
I was rereading your original post.

Yeoman means farmer. I do not know if you thought that meant someone in the navy. Here's the wikipedia entry for yeoman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeoman

I am not sure if James Cahalens was an immigrant or not, but if he was you may find him in the manifests.

-andrea

Re: James Cahalens and Rachel Howel M. 1761 Salem County, NJ

jiggilypuffs — 2013-03-17 15:35:24Z

Hi! I was not sure if you had an ancestry subscription.

Go to Search > Immigration & Travel > Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s

(here is the direct link to the database)
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7486&enc=...

Let me know if you are unable to find it.

-andrea

Re: James Cahalens and Rachel Howel M. 1761 Salem County, NJ

d_cahala — 2013-03-17 15:29:35Z

Wow.'m lost, Andrea. I see the site you mention, but can I search there myself?

Give me an idea , please...
I have the Ancestry.com subscription, but how do I locate Manifests in there?

Or are they only available through the pro genealogists site?
I have several subscriptions at this point, including two DNA tests and one Y-DNA, but it seems like I'm going in circles...
Some guidance would be appreciated!
Thanks!

Re: James Cahalens and Rachel Howel M. 1761 Salem County, NJ

jiggilypuffs — 2013-03-17 04:03:25Z

Hi Don,
If you are looking for the arrival of James into the (what is now) US, you need to check the two major port cities. Philadelphia and then secondarily New York. It is also possible that he came through Baltimore. It is most likely Philadelphia.

I believe that some of the manifests are transcribed and indexed on Ancestry.com. Here's an example of one of manifests on Ancestry's other site: http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/1764boston.htm At least two of the people on that list came to Salem county.

Good luck!
-andrea

James Cahalens and Rachel Howel M. 1761 Salem County, NJ

d_cahala — 2013-03-16 23:23:48Z

Can't seem to find any information on them after their marriage. They re-appear again at their son's wedding at the Moravian church in 1796. James was listed on his marriage bond as a YEOMAN. Passenger and Crew lists? Manifests? Where can I find those in around 1761???
Lived in Salem County, I think near Penns Neck.
Can anyone point me in the right direction????
Thanks!
Don Cahala (Cahalens, Kahaly, Cohaley, etc.)

Re: Can anyone identify the Upper Pittsgrove farmer in this picture?

aprillynnx31 — 2013-03-14 00:27:54Z

There was a prominent farmer listed as George Hutchinson (married to Margaret) in the Upper Penns Neck Township, NJ Farm Directory, 1913.

www.distantcousin.com/Directories/NJ/SalemCounty/1913/UpperP...

I can't be sure if that is him, but maybe it's somewhere to start?

Re: Can anyone identify the Upper Pittsgrove farmer in this picture?

karenfoster115 — 2013-03-04 06:27:11Z

The pencil marks are just scribbles, not letters, and it is a newspaper. There is part of an ad for men's suits on the back.

Re: Can anyone identify the Upper Pittsgrove farmer in this picture?

jiggilypuffs — 2013-03-04 04:01:42Z

Hi again. If that clipping has not been retouched and the paper is actually white, then it is not from a newspaper. Newspaper yellows and turns brittle from the acid inside it. I have seen pictures from a similar time period on white paper like that today, but they were taken from local history books. If that is the case here, there should only be a handful of titles and the Salem Historical Society should have them in their collection.

-andrea

Re: Can anyone identify the Upper Pittsgrove farmer in this picture?

jiggilypuffs — 2013-03-04 03:56:34Z

I searched the Bridgeton Evening News for that phrase on genealogy bank. No hits, but it looks like it could be from a Salem County paper. I also noticed some pencil writing on left margin toward the top on the side. Are they stray marks or are they letters?

good luck!
-andrea

Can anyone identify the Upper Pittsgrove farmer in this picture?

karenfoster115 — 2013-03-04 03:52:39Z

I found a newspaper clipping in a family bible. It shows a picture of a man with the caption "A Successful Upper Pittsgrove Farmer". There is no date or any accompanying article.
The surnames from the bible include Frazer, Groff, Hutchinson and Ecrett, but I don't know if he is even related to this family.
Can anyone identify the man in the picture?

Re: William Darling/Prissilah Cole (Cool)/Catherine McCasson

DavyMyer — 2013-02-24 00:24:54Z

On closer review, I see that I am replying to myself. I posted several years ago as BobbyDay27

Re: William Darling/Prissilah Cole (Cool)/Catherine McCasson

DavyMyer — 2013-02-24 00:14:14Z

I am also descended from Isaac and Mary Luthultz. I have Mary's name as Mary Pauline Minnick born in VA in 1805. I am also descended from the Neff and Eliz..... connection. I had Elizabeth originally but later changed to Eliza. I don't remember the details but convinced myself at the time. There are a lot of Minnicks, Minnichs, Muenchs in Rockingham County Virginia and also some Luthultz but I haven't been able to make the connection yet. I suspect that Mary is possibly a descendant of Mathias Minnick, born in PA in 1779. I also suspect that Luthultz is a corruption of Lutholtz.

Re:James and Nancy Smith - Warren Co OH 1860 census

ChekWriter — 2013-01-29 01:29:08Z

Does this help a bit?

May be you already have this copy.

Pat
cw

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

Jennewbs — 2013-01-28 21:27:36Z

I have some information on James Smith and Martha Paxton and James Smith and Jane Ireland.

email jnewbright@gmail.com

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

mcs4196 — 2013-01-28 20:26:35Z

John,
Yes, I am researching the James and Jane Smith line. Their daughter Nancy is my 3rd greatgrandmother. I am also trying to find out anything about Jamed McIntire that Nancy Smith married in Warren county in 1847.

Thanks,

Cathy

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

Jennewbs — 2013-01-28 15:11:05Z

Cathy

No, these a not in my Smith family. However I do have some data on this SMITH family that I found when I was researching in Warren County years ago. I am also familiar with the Hopkinsville Cemetery as my Grandfather and Grandmother SMITH are buried there. Are you researching this line in Warren County?
John

Re: Abner Smith born abt. 1713

mcs4196 — 2013-01-26 21:11:13Z

John, I found a death notice for Nancy Smith McIntire from the newspaper in Warrren county Ohio. It states that her parents were James and Jane Smith. I beleive that Jane was Jane Ireland. James' father, James was married to Nancy Paxton. These 4 people are buried in the Hopkinsville cemetery in Warren couty, Ohio.
Does this fit with your family?
Cathy

Re: smith family

ChekWriter — 2013-01-19 01:17:02Z

DAVID AND JOHN.

May be now today, can do a DNA test to see how related you are to each other.
Do NOT know if you are still in search of family.

one web site has some who have tested, their results posted on www.familytreedna.com.

am curious now which branch of SMITH's that might be related to the SMITH line of Joseph SMITH and Rachel ALFRED, their daughter

Rebecca married John MILLS B: of 1733 Sussex Co NJ and Grimsby ON CAN.
Their descendant did a DNA test and match on markers to my MILLS desendant. Still working on how or where they fit on 'our MILLS' tree.

Patricia
cw
Intermittently websites offer special rates on DNA testing.
the one web site I used in 2004 was www.familytreedna.com
and for my son
on his surname
in 2011 was www.ancestry.com

Still have NOT found a connection to the MILLS of Salem and Cumberland Co NJ to my MILLS of Essex and Morris and Sussex Co's.

Re: smith family - Jeremiah 1711

ek37 — 2013-01-19 00:46:58Z

Just found out my Jeremiah was born in Donegal, Ireland for sure--so that means his parents Stephen and Hannah had to go over there, he was born over there, and they came back here..A friend who is more experienced in genealogy told me the family was back and forth--so I am checking with her to find out where she is getting this info...it is very confusing and I am not that good at genealogy yet, I find conflicting reports that send me this way and that.Elaine

Re: smith family - Jeremiah 1711

ChekWriter — 2013-01-14 21:35:18Z

Very Interesting Elaine.

I wonder if he was aka Thomas J (Jeremiah) then?

The others apparently are not aware of this book?

May be do a post em and or also post that information on the SMITH surname boards?

See what response you get.

Very Interesting indeed.

Still would love to know how many actual branches of the Greater SMITH Tree there are via

DNA testing.

Will try to see if can get to the public listing of the markers.

Patricia
cw

Re: smith family - Jeremiah 1711

ek37 — 2013-01-14 21:22:46Z

Book-Historical Records of Old Frederick and Hampshire Counties, Virginia by Kerns has alot of info my library was able to locate it and borrow it for me to research.Has record of Capt. Jeremiah Smith he was born in Cohansey, Salem County, New Jersey 1711..his parents were Jeremiah Smith born 14 Sept. 1687 USA, died 9 Oct. 1735 USA, mother Ann Pancoast born 1690 and died 20 Mar., 1719. Capt. Smith was in the French and Indian War,there is a historical marker in Lost River, West Virginia commemorating the battle he was in, he owned like 1,000 acres, he was one of the first white settlers into the west of the Shenandoah Valley alot of this by Bradley Rymph Capt. died in 1787..Elaine

Re: smith family - Jeremiah 1711

ChekWriter — 2013-01-14 04:06:20Z

Hi Elaine
Pat here.

You can check on this web site and other gene sites, i.e.
ancestry.com

on those many other data files have some conflicting lines of descent as well as ascent for this SMITH/SMYTH/E Line.

You can check those other files for their details.

Since some of it is still apparently speculation.I have not HEARD BACK from that researcher at this time.

Patricia
cw

Not sure if they ever came to a consensus which Jeremiah true parents were?

I have him as son of
SMITH, Jeremiah and Ann SMITH
son of
SMITH, THomas and Ann PANCOAST
son of
SMITH, Thomas and Ann HUDSON.

Re: smith family - Jeremiah 1711

ek37 — 2013-01-13 21:26:22Z

HI, I have Capt. Jeremiah Smith born in Cohansey, Salem Co., New Jersey..not familiar with that area, his parents were Jeremiah Smith born 14 Sept. 1687 and died 9 Oct., 1735 and mother was Ann Pancoast born 1690 and died 20 Mar.,1719 I need to try to get into historical society in that area to se if I can find more info on them..Elaine

Re: smith family - Jeremiah 1711

ChekWriter — 2013-01-13 18:11:59Z

Hi Elaine
Thank you

for reply back and your down line.

Just curious if they are part and parcel of my SMITH related to my MILLS of Sussex Co NJ USA ca 1733.

Will add your down line to my file and continue to see what else I may discover as well as I go along researching my MILLS bunch.

Still a lot of missing spots on the branches and twigs and leaves of 'our' tree.

Patricia
cw

Re: smith family

ek37 — 2013-01-13 07:45:17Z

Capt. Jeremiah Smith born 1711, his daughter Hannah married my 4th g grand father Stephen McBride, their son Jeremiah then Samuel then William P. then Blanche my grand mother. I have not done any DNA don't know anything about that this is all new to me as just got into genealogy last year..just learning the computer to..got a late start on this..I know for sure Samuel and William are from the Hillsgrove, Pa. area, both were in Civil War 1861-1864 I got enough info on them to apply to Civil War group.Elaine

Re: smith family

ChekWriter — 2013-01-13 02:51:52Z

EK

Your 4th great grand father, but did not put your down line.

What are some of your surnames?

Has any SMITH male, present day, done DNA testing to see what other surnames that they match with, in that they share

a Common Ancestor?

How MANY SMITH lines are there in the area of New Jersey/Ohio and beyond?

Wonder if part and parcel of any MILLS or allied/related family.

Just curious.

Pat
cw