Greetings,

I am looking for evidence that my Woodbridge, NJ, g-g-grandmother, Isabella Jackson (b. 1823 and m. Joseph Dunham, b. 1814), is a g-granddaughter to James Jackson (b.1704) and Mary Thorne of Woodbridge, NJ, members of the Society of Friends. And if so, through which of the three sons of James and Mary is she descended?

The Friends Meetings of Plainfield and Rahway record James and Mary Jacson (sic) with five children, Sarah (b: 1740.1111), John (b: 1742.0313), Benjamin (b. 1744.0115), Charles (b. 1745.0111), and Margarett (b. 1745.1024). They also record a William and Prudence Jacson with two children, Jeremy (b. 1745.0312) and Phebe (b. 1747.0113). This Meeting rotated for a while among these towns and Woodbridge - http://members.tripod.com/~PlainfieldFriends/birthreg.htm).

Thirty some years later, the NJ Archive records that on February 9, 1779, in Woodbridge, the Tories under Capt. Joseph Ryerson raided the house of Charles Jackson (Tavernkeeper) and took prisoner Am. Capt. Nathaniel Fitz Randolph, just returning from a raid on Staten Island (NJA 2, III, 65, 76-77, 81 and reported here http://gaz.jrshelby.com/woodbridge.htm). Another report records that this occurred at the tavern, which could also have been their home. Sadly, Capt. Fitz Randolph died in captivity the following year.

Sixty-one years later, the 1840 Middlesex, NJ, census records a Charles Jackson (b. 1779) with a wife, two young adult daughters and a teenage son. Coincidently, this Charles was born the same year as the military skirmiish in Woodbridge (listed above). As I find no other caucasian Jackson families in Woodbridge by 1840, I further suspect that Charles' father may be the youngest of James Jackson's (b. 1704) three sons, John, Benjamin, and Charles.

Then the 1850 Woodbridge census records Isabella when married to Joseph Dunham and shows her to be the right age to have been the younger of Charles' two daughters. That census page also records a John Jackson (b. 1825, the right age to be Charles son) with wife Abigail (b. 1832) and an Andrew Jackson (b. 1829) listed with property owner William Noe (b. 1810) a few houses from Isabella and Joseph Dunham. Notably, Isabella and Joseph's household includes a teenager, Moses F. Jackson (b. 1837). Then again In 1865, Isabella gave birth to Andrew Jackson Dunham. Unfortunately, the relationship of these Jacksons in the 1850 census is not documented.

I have not yet seen any more records from Friends Meetings referencing the children of James and Mary Jackson of Woodbridge to ascertain this lineage. Did they leave the Society of Friends? Could this Charles, son of James and Mary, also be the Tavernkeeper AND the younger Charles' father? Was the younger Charles yet in his mother's womb at home when the Tories raided?

Perhaps someone on this message board has seen other records to indicate what happened to any of these descendants of James and Mary. Please let me know if there is anything you may have found that could clarify any of this.

Thank you,
Doug Wilson

Hello - wondering if you have found any information on any of the children of James Jackson? I am looking in to a possible connection to him through his daughter, Margaret Jackson born in 1745 - but like you, have found documentation of any of his children (or him) past their birth impossible to locate. Thanks in advance for anything you can share.

By the way - I'm beginning to think that Mary Thorne is actually Mary Fitzrandolph, widow of William Thorne - and not actually a Thorne at all. I am trying to locate her through the Fitzrandolphs but no luck there yet, either. The Thorne's have a fairly extensive research site and do list James Jackson, but only his marriage to Sarah Thorne, his first wife. They also list Mary Fitzrandolph as married to William Thorne (no children listed). He died young as well.
So - the Thornes have both James Jackson and Mary Fitzrandolph included in their families, and knew of them. I don't think James could have married a different Thorne, fathered 5 children, and not be mentioned again anywhere connected to the family. Nothing to prove this, though! Looking for proof either way.

Hi - The only additional info I've found is 1830 census data that corroborates the 1840 info I've posted here.

As for James and Mary's children - documented by Quaker records - I've seen only the publically posted stuff on the two daughters.

Dally's Woodbridge book notes a Charles Jackson as town clerk and tavernkeeper. An skirmish involving Nathaniel Fitz Randolph during the Revolution occurred at the Elm Tree Tavern when Charles was proprietor. That second note is particularly interesting since the Jacksons and Fitz Randolphs shared Quaker beliefs and inter-married.

Then the census records show some Jacksons in Woodbridge and nearby, some of whom were born early enough to be children and grandchildren of any of the three sons, as follows:

1830 Charles b1775
1830 Furman b1805
1830 Mary b1785
1840 Charles b1775
1840 Reuel H b1815

1830 Perth Amboy Jesse b1795
1830 New Providence Charles H b1805
1830 New Providence William b1795
1830 Newark Jacob b1795
1830 Newark John P b1805
1830 Newark John b1805
1830 Newark Joseph B b1805
1830 North Brunswick William b1805
1830 West Windsor Margaret b1775
1840 Elizabethtown J.A. b1815
1840 South Brunswick Samuel b1795
1840 South Brunswick Thomas b1785

The names Charles, Mary, Margaret and John stand out as possible descendants, but any of these could have descended from the Jackson lines that moved from Long Island to the counties north and south of Middlesex.

So all the info is speculative but interesting clues to follow-up with evidence that I have yet to find. Perhaps a church record, grave marker or such will yet surface.

If you'd like copies of any of these documents just let me know.

Doug

I find your post quite interesting and seems to make a lot of sense. I'm not familiar with the Thorne family book. Is there a copy posted somewhere I might obtrain?

Thanks,
Doug

Hi Doug - The Thorne Family info was found here: http://thorn.pair.com/williamthorne1/index.htm
I just searched for the surnames.

The only "records" I have are the same publicly posted Friends records. I posted the below request on the Fitzrandolph board. Reposting here for you to see if it makes sense to you and/or helps you in any way. Apparently, Mary Fitz Randolph [Fitzrandolph] was eventually excommunicated from the Friends, but it should have been after most [or all] of the children were married off. Not sure if that is why they have kind of "disappeared" from their records?? I also sent a request to a Fitzrandolph family site, but haven't heard anything back.

I am trying to find out if the Margaret Jackson in my tree is this Margaret Jackson, daughter of James. She married Moses Tichenor in 1763, so if you have come across that name anywhere, please let me know. They were married in NJ (I think Morris, NJ). He was not a Quaker, though, so not sure if it is plausable that this daughter married outside of the Friends. Lots to check in to!

Have you or anyone in your line done any kind of DNA testing with the Jacksons?

Thanks for anything you can share.

POST:
I am looking for information on Mary Fitzrandolph [Thorne-Jackson-Fitzrandolph]. She was the daughter of Edward Fitz Randolph and Catherine Hartshorne (Edward was the son of Nathaniel FR and grandson of Edward FR & Elizabeth Blossom).

I have her birthdate as 24 May 1710. Her husbands were William Thorne, James Jackson, Jacob Fitz Randolph. I am specifically interested in her marriage to James Jackson. There is record in the Jackson family research of James marrying a MARY Thorne, with whom he had children beginning at least as early as Nov 1740. (This was his second wife – first being SARAH Thorne, sister of WILLIAM Thorne, Mary Fitzrandolph’s first husband). They then have James Jackson marrying a MARY Fitzrandolph on 26 May 1749 (James Jackson died in 1750). There are places I have seen James as having 2 wives, and then also as having 3. I believe it is possible that the second wife, MARY Thorne is actually the same person as MARY Fitzrandolph, as she was the widow of William Thorne and therefore would have been MARY Thorne at
the time they were married. Therefore, I think there may have been only one MARY, mother to all of James’ children.

Either way, this MARYFITZ RANDOLPH may have been in custody of James’ minor children at the time of his death in 1750. I am searching for his daughter (and possibly hers as well), MARGARET Jackson, born Dec. 1745. I have documentation from Friends records of the births for JAMES and MARY JACSON (Sarah, John, Benjamin, Charles, Margaret).

So my questions are: Do you have documentation/information of MARY FITZRANDOLPH-THORNE’s marriage to James Jackson? Obviously I am looking for the actual date to piece together if she is in fact the mother of his children. Also – any information as to where/what happened to her after his death in 1750? I know she eventually married Jacob Fitzrandolph. I have read that she was disowned by her family and excommunicated (if that is the right term) from the Quakers because of this marriage as they were first cousins. Do you have any information on MARGARET Jackson (maybe even listed as MARGARET Thorne??). I am trying to see if this is the same Margaret Jackson as married Moses Tichenor around 1763, and if so, if she was also of the Fitzrandolph line.

Thank you for any information you can provide.

Hi Victoria,

Re: Mary Thorne vs. Mary Fitz Randolph
Thanks for the Thorne site URL. I've been poking around for documentation there and elsewhere and have yet to find anything to substantiate the commonly published marriages and dates. Your hypothesis the Mary's are one in the same is looking very interesting.


Re: Jackson line
Using census records, I've traced the descendants of my earliest proved Jackson ancestor, Jesse b. abt. 1800. Jesse may have been James Jackson's great-grandson primarily because I find few Jacksons in Woodbridge at that time.

Unfortunately, The census shows me that Jesse's line runs out of males with surname Jackson to test for DNA evidence.


Re: Margaret and Moses Tichenor
I note that some of the Morris County Jacksons also moved to WV. The closest Margaret noted in that line at the Jackson site is 30 years later than yours. James' daughter seems to be of the right age. But I've seen no evidence to prove this marriage.

I do find a note for Moses in a tree posted at ancestry.com (no contact given) that does not provide Mary Jackson's father's name but does cite a book - Tichenor Families in America by Harold Tichenor, 1988 (see http://www.haroldtichenor.com/tichgen.html).

In case you or others have not yet seen some of this info, I've posted the note below.

Hope this helps,
Doug


ID: I0862
Name: Moses TICHENAL 1 2
Sex: M
Birth: BEF. 29 APR 1743 in Morristown, New Jersey
Death: ABT. 1796 in Allegany County, MD
Note:
Moses Tichenor was baptized April 29, 1743 at Morristown Presbyterian Church, Morristown, Morris County, New Jesey. He was willed 51 acres in Morris County by his father. On April 1, 1771, Moses Tichenor sold two tracts in Morristown. One tract of 24.7 acres "where on the Moses Tichenor now lives" and adjacent to a road on the east side of Pine Brook. The other tract of 25.5 acres was adjacent to Pine Brook and was described as "being part of the tract known by the name of Turkey Pasture."
In Sept. 1779, Moses Tichenal bought 567 acres in two tracts on Cabbin Run in Hampshire County, VA. His residence given in the deed was Morris County, NJ. He sold the land in 1783 at which time his residence was Washington County, MD. At that time, Washington County included what is now Allegany and Garrett Counties. Also, In July 1792 he sold 180 acres on the "north branch of Potowmack" in Hampshire County which he had purchased in July 1789. His residence given in the deed was Hampshire County. In the same month, he purchased 300 acres on the Salt Rock Fork of Sandy in Garrett County, MD. His residence given in the deed was Allegany County. In 1792, he bought 52 acres in Allegany (now Garrett Co.) known as "Aaron's Lot" located a little above the mouth of the Savage River. One of these tracts was probably his residence after that date.
He sold a tract of 7 1/2 acres in Allegany County near the mouth of Gum Spring Run, a sawmill to be built and a coal mine to be operated on it, the deed dated 1794. It was to be jointly owned by the grantee and Moses, each to have half interest. At the time of his death, he owned 268 acres.
He served in the Revolutionary War. He was listed in Captain Layton's Company of Morris County, NJ Militia in 1778 and was drafted into the VA Militia for a tour of duty to guard the prisoners taken at the surrender of Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown. The prisoners were confined in Frederick County, VA. His son, David, was enrolled as a substitute and served from Nov. or Dec. in 1781 until March 12, 1782.
The spelling of Moses Tichenor's name varies from the time he left New Jersey, but he evidently used the spelling Tichenal. While no record of his name with that spelling has been found in New Jersey, there is one Morris County deed for his brother, Daniel, spelled Tichenal. Martin Tichenor's name ended in "L" in several instances in New Haven Colony records, and in a few cases his son's names in Newark also end with "L". The spelling, therefore, has a basis in family history. Several spellings ending in one or two "L's" are in use today by Moses' descendants and, as far as is known, none spell their name Tichenor.
The administration papers that have survived of Moses Tichenor's estate mention - but do not name - his widow. It names sons-in-law John Smith, Henry Duckworth, and Thomas Pritchard, the latter being the guardian of Moses' children Stephen, Margaret, and Jane, who were named as minors. Also named were grandchildren Betsey and William Smith with John Smith as their guardian.

The foregoing was taken from Tichenor Families in America by Harold Tichenor, 1988. The book was published in Napton, MO. The telephone number cited for its purchase is (816) 886-3102.


Father: Joseph Tichenor b: BET. 1680 - 1690 in Newark, New Jersey
Mother: ??? ELIZABETH b: WFT Est. 1696-1724

Marriage 1 Margaret Jackson b: ABT. 1745 in New Jersey
Married: ABT. 1762 in New Jersey
Children
David TICHENELL b: 16 OCT 1764 in Morris County, New Jersey
Phoebe TICHENELL b: AFT. 1764 in New Jersey
Nancy TICHENELL b: ABT. 1767 in Morris County, New Jersey
Joshua TICHENELL b: ABT. 1768 in Morris County, New Jersey
Stephen TICHENELL b: 10 JUN 1772 in Morris County, New Jersey
Margaret TICHENELL b: ABT. 1778 in Allegany County, Maryland
Abigail TICHENELL b: 4 MAY 1785 in Maryland or New Jersey
Jane TICHENELL b: ABT. 1789 in Allegany County, Maryland

Sources:
Title: Tichenor Families in America by Harold Tichenor, Napton, Missouri, 1988, 1992
Page: pp. i.-v, and 1-735
Text: This text of 735 pages is the primary source for all entries of Tichenor, Tichenal, Titchnell, and similar spellings and their families.
Title: History of Preston County by S.T. Wiley, Kingwood, WV 1882, reprinted by McClain Printing, Parsons, WV, 1968
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