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Re: Mrs. William Key of Millville, NJ

wahammill — 2009-11-09 18:16:10Z

Hi Dale:

I would also like to see your information about Samuel and Abigail Key as I am also a descendant of the pair.

My line is Samuel/Abigail, David/Musa, Linford/Julia, Eugene/Winifred Key.

My email address is: wahammill@aol.com

Thank you,
Barbara (Key) Hammill

Re: Descendants of Francis Scott Key

wahammill — 2009-11-09 17:41:55Z

My great grandparents were also David and Caroline Key. My grandfather was Linford Key, who was one of their 4 children. Linford Key had 1 child - Eugene Key (my father).

Linford Key died in Chicago, Ill. around 1923, my father was only 16 at the time. I've not been able to find a cementary for him, however. My grandmother, Julia Catherine (Fraser) Key, is buried in Forest Lawn, Glendale, California, as is my father and Julia's parents - Nettie and George Fraser.

Eugene Key (my father) was a college professor and writer of fiction books (in the early 1930s) and college textbooks in the 50s and 60s. His last book was published in January 1968, just prior to his death on February 1. (Type: Eugene George Key into your browser window and read more on my father.)

I am the youngest of Eugene Key's 5 children - Barbara.

Justice of the Peace records in Bridgeton

SusanC33 — 2009-11-09 01:11:04Z

The NJ State Archives in Trenton has the JP records on microfilm for many counties. Cumberland County is not one of them. The records, I believe, are still at Bridgeton.

My question is: Have any of you visited the Cumberland County clerk's office to examine these old records? I'm curious as to what they have.

I have found some gems at the state archives from other counties, and I'm hoping to get lucky and stumble upon some info at Bridgeton.

Gloucester County Historical Society has the actual old JP books that they will let you handle with protective gloves.

Cape May's JP records are on microfilm at Trenton. Sometimes it's just a record of one person suing another person for one dollar, but the names might help to pinpoint someone at a particular place at a particular time.

Thanks.

Re: Joseph Spencer m. Sarah Jane Trewax, Center Grove ca.1870

kgracejr — 2009-11-06 20:50:39Z

On Joseph and Sarah Jane's marriage license, her mother was listed as a Truax. And Truax shows up in census records, etc., for Tuckerton, NJ.

Ken

Re: Joseph Spencer m. Sarah Jane Trewax, Center Grove ca.1870

Ravyn_G — 2009-11-06 19:14:53Z

Dear Ken,
it has been a while but a couple of years ago the son, Chester (my mother's cousin) of Ellen Spencer Gifford died and in the family pics was a wonderful old photo of his grandfather Joseph. Would you like a copy? I can send you the scan. Email me. I also have Sarah Jane Litts, his second wife and two of their daughters--Tillie and Ellen.
I am LadyLvsNyt at yahoo dot com.
Ravyn

Re: Joseph Spencer m. Sarah Jane Trewax, Center Grove ca.1870

Ravyn_G — 2009-11-06 19:10:54Z

my mistake--Sarah Jane was Litts not Trewax, her mother was Trewax.
Ravyn

Re: Joseph Spencer m. Sarah Jane Trewax, Center Grove ca.1870

mmg816 — 2009-11-05 18:36:28Z

Center Grove is spelled Centre Grove. My G-GM Lizzie Stewart lived with her grandfather J Wesley Stewart in the 1870s. Centre Grove in the 1870s was in Fairfield Twp- now Lawrence Twp just SW of Millville, NJ. It's close to the Millville Airport in the area of where Cedar Ave crosses Buckshutem Rd and Ramah Rd and then where Hogbin Ave meets Cedar Ave on a point.

Re: Descendants of Francis Scott Key

JaneAbsalom — 2009-11-03 00:44:40Z

Jim I had the hair style in my head when I saw the picture of Julia. And I just remembered my first cousin has red hair. I wonder how many of our cousins did. My sister was blond as a child. I remember my cousin's two children where blond but most of us were plain brunettes Do you know when Musa and Alonzo died or where any of them are buried? I am missing dates for Eileen, Phebe, Francis and William other than census estimates I have ssdi's on the rest and birth records for Musa and Alonzo. I have not yet found a marriage record for them. Nor do I have information on the family beyond this point. I am hoping the 1940 census will be of some help but that is a few years off yet. Going back a generation, Musa had three younger sisters of which we knew little about Josephine, Sarah and Martha who my grandmothers 1st cousin remembered was given up at two weeks and was raised in Millville. She was the thirteenth known child born about the time of her mothers death. She would be too young to be in her nineties in 1952 to be Annie. All three of these sisters were younger than Musa. The others were all married. Anna Letts Horner was widowed in 1930 and I can account for seven children and know of at lest one surviving line possibly more. The rest of Musa's siblings were older. One Amanda, married James Tompkins a (glass blower) and lived in Millville. I don't know much of them. And a younger brother Daniel who also live at Millville and probably never married. If I had an idea of where they where buried I could have someone look for them. My family lived in Mt. Holly Burlington Co. So we did not get to know our Millville cousins but did know those who stayed in the general area (Mt. Holly, Ft. Dix-Pemberton, Chatsworth...) I was in touch with one of the Horners recently and I hope I can get back in touch with her some how. She may have come up with something since we last chatted. Thank you for all the stories they are always great to share and I think my immediate family would enjoy reading them and they might possibly shake loose a few memories.
Thank you again!
Jane

Re: Myrtetus

WilliamMyrtetusJr — 2009-11-02 16:26:04Z

Anna Myrtetus was my grandmother, her son William was my father. Asa & Albert were my fathers brothers. She was from Millville, NJ. Albert had 2 sons, Albert & Craig. I was born in Atlantic City, NJ have 4 children and 5 grandchildren. I think I may have corresponded with Isdabel some time ago.

Billy Myrtetus

Re: Descendants of Francis Scott Key

abexx — 2009-11-02 11:25:39Z

Hello Jane,
I have no knowledge about Rambo in the Key family. Your right that William "Bill" key was Alonzo and Musa's son. They had a son named Ernie (Ernest?) he is deceased. Tryphena Schenk was the sister of Herschel Schenk, a well known sign painter in Millville N.J. He had a son named Clayton. Herschel collected Indian Artifacts and had a large collection. Tryphena was a handsome woman she wore interesting glasses. She was in the Sarah Palin mold. Is that anyway to address my Great Aunt thrice removed?
I have also seen the name Letts as Lets, Lutz and Loetz. The last could be Dutch or perhaps Latvian Letts living in Holland. Musa was called by us kids, "Grandma reds". She still had Red Hair mixed with blondish grey. It was so long it was nearly down to her waist. She would sit every evening at her Walnut dresser and brush it, 100 strokes. Incidently she put it up every morning, in the Latvian or Ukrainian style. Google Julia Tymoshenko and you will see that hair style. There were ties between Western Ukraine and Latvia. My wife has relatives there, she visited while still a school girl. A possibility of names being mixed with Dutch and German is; Russia was invaded by the Teutonic Knights in the 11th Century. The name Loetz (With Germanic Spelling) could have entered what is Historical Latvia. I am sure there were what became Dutch, flemish and Begique in the Knights ranks. At that time most of the area was under the Kievan Rus; Ukraine. The Novogordians defeated the Germans, most of whom perished under the ice. A clain could be made that modern Russia began with this victory.
I did have some photographs of Musa. I will dig deap, world travel is not conducive to keeping such treasures. I never had a photo of Aunt Annie, in my minds eye she is still with me though. A wisp of a woman, kind and very proper. Although Musa would occasionally accuse her of cheating at Dominoes.
Jim

Re: Descendants of Francis Scott Key

JaneAbsalom — 2009-11-01 21:25:00Z

Thank you for all this wonderful information. Since I posted my last message I have found much in the way of documents and expect many in the coming months. I have heard the theories that the Letts may have descended from the Lettish people, a Germanic tribe from the Baltic area, but many still believe that they were Dutch. What we do know is that William Letts our families progenitor came from England and that there are many Letts families still thriving there. We also know that there were many lines in which the female lines can claim Dutch heritage. There are variations of the name from different countries who claim no relation at all but perhaps somewhere way back when... there might have been. I find many documents for Letts all over the US and when I try to trace them back in the census they are Litts or Lutz and may be from areas where the Progenitors where Dutch or German.
But for the Key family, do you know if there are any marriages in to the Rambo family? I have a document with this listed as Alonzo's middle name. As for Anna B. Letts she married Joseph Horner. There are many Horner's in our family and I am trying to determine how they might all be related. But I still can't say if your Aunt Annie is Actually Anna B. Letts Horner. The dates I have place her at about 92 when she died and whether that is correct or not I do not know yet. The SSDI lists her death as 1967 birth 1875 but there is no Application for her just what they call "E. R. action form" I am not sure what that is yet.
She and Musa would be descendant of at least one to two Horner lines separate form her children which might have about three Horner lines.
Do you have any early photo's of them I would be curious to see if they resemble the family photo I have. I am guessing that "Bill Key and Tryphena (Schenk) Key" Where Musa and Alonzo's son and daughter in law.
Musa, Annie and my great grandmother Sarah Jane Letts were first cousins. Feel free to contact me for more information on the Letts family. My research is not yet finished but far enough along to have solved many mysteries and corrected many mistakes that are still floating around out there.
Jane

Re: Tryphena Schenck

abexx — 2009-11-01 12:05:19Z

Ernie Key was the only child of Bill Key and Tryphena Schenk. Ernie died young and is buried in Mt. Pleasant Cemetary with Musa Letts Key.

Re: Mrs. William Key of Millville, NJ

abexx — 2009-11-01 11:59:53Z

The names on you list are unknown to me. I am James K. Key of the Cumberland County , N.J. Keys. However the name Linford Key does appear among the South Jersey Key folks. Most likely a connection.

Re: Bessie Sarbello and Lawrence Key

abexx — 2009-11-01 11:52:16Z

Hello Dale,
I may have answered the question of my Mother's maiden name before. Don't remember: So her maiden name was Whilden. She was the daughter of Woodruff Whilden and Hannah Hoephner(sp). Woodruff was a "gathering boy" at the Whital tatum glass plant. Also a fisherman and Evangelist. He preached at various Methodist Churches in Cumberland County.

Re: Descendants of Francis Scott Key

abexx — 2009-11-01 11:27:50Z

My brother David H. Key reminded me about 40 years ago; that Grandma "Reds" (Musa Letts Key) made reference to the Letts family having come from the Baltic States. He thought it was Lithuania. Just an oral tradition....? Having lived in the Former Soviet Union, I find that Letts is a name often encountered in Latvia. Since it is next to Lithuania there could be some substance to the oral claim.
Unfortunately I don't know if my "Aunt Annie" was ever married. She would come to my Grandparents Home in Leesburg, N.J. and spend some months with her sister. They would play cards and Dominos, watch wrestling on TV. Aunt Annie weighed less than 100 pounds. I last saw her when I was beyween 13 and 15 years old. That would have been 1953 or so. I definitely know she was in her 90's then. I later heard she died at 99.5 years. Musa died at the home of Bill Key and Tryphena (Schenk) Key. I saw her the day before her death. She was my favorite relative. ("No wonder, your just like her!") She told me this: "If only I could live one more day.." She died of Breast Cancer. She had lesions for quite a long time. For her generation it was something too personal to talk about. I loved her then and even now that love brings a heaviness to my heart speaking of her. Memory; a fond memory was eating her yellow plum tomatoes. feasting on her home made bread. How fond it would be to go back to the 9 or 10 year old that I was. I would ask Annie many more things. Horner? I have a faint memory of that name but don't know the root of it

Re: Descendants of Francis Scott Key

j_key18 — 2009-10-26 20:19:21Z

did alonzo have any brothers or sisters

Re: Mark Constant Adams

shadow4284 — 2009-10-25 02:48:52Z

Wow! Walter, thank you.

The Madkiff part was a major relief. Everytime I'd looked online, I'd kept finding her listed as Woodruff. I started second guessing.

On the grandson/ grandaughter issue. On the 1900 Census:

HUNTLEY EVA 46 F W NJ NJ CUMBERLAND 3-WD MILLVILLE 1900

Maud is living with her mother; it has Alda and Ida listed as grandaughters. Ida has the same birthdate as Ivan but there is no mention of Ivan. Prior to finding Ida on the census, there was no knowledge of her.

Thanks a bunch, for all the help.

Christina

Re: Mark Constant Adams

Walter_Lovett — 2009-10-24 19:22:12Z

James Madkiff was Born About 1817
He married Eliza, Born About 1819, and Died June 1909

Notes for James Madkiff
1850 Census Federal, New Jersey, Franklin Township, Gloucester County
House Number 303, Family Number 308
James Madkiff, 35, Teamster, Born, New Jersey
Eliza Madkiff, 30, Born, New Jersey
William Madkiff, 9, Born, New Jersey
Matilda Madkiff, 6, Born, New Jersey
David Madkiff, 4, Born, New Jersey
Mary Madkiff, 1, Born, New Jersey

1860 Census Federal, New Jersey, Franklin Township, Gloucester County
James Matciff, 45
Eliza Matciff, 40
William V Matciff, 19
David Matciff, 14
Adaline Matciff, 12
Comfort A Matciff, 9
James Matciff, 4
Christopher Matciff, 7.12

Notes For Eliza
Mount Pleasant Cemetery Register, Page 48
Eliza Madkiff
Died June 1909, Aged 89 Years, 11 Months, 7 Days
Died Millville
Cause Of Death
General Debility and Fractured Hip
Undertaker Christy

Burial Records For Lot Owners, Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Page 58, 1898, section B, $15.00. No Lot Number Given
Eliza Madkiff

Children Of James Madkiff And Eliza Are
William V Madkiff, Born About 1841
David Madkiff, Born About 1846
Mary Adaline Madkiff, Born April 15, 1849, Died August 07, 1918
Comfort A Madkiff, Born About 1851
James Madkiff, Born About 1860

Joseph P Adams, Born July 13, 1849, Died January 27, 1918, In Millville, Cumberland County, New Jersey
He Married Mary Adeline Madkiff 1869, Daughter Of James Madkiff And Eliza
She was Born April 15, 1849, And Died August 07, 1918 In Millville, Cumberland County, New Jersey

Notes For Joseph P Adams
Mount Pleasant Cemetery Register, Page 76
Joseph P Adams, Died January 27, 1918
Aged 68 Years, 6 Months, 14 Days
Cause Of Death, Hemorrhage On Brain
Undertaker Christy

Mount Pleasant Cemetery Register, Page 75
Mary Adeline Adams, Died August 7, 1918
Aged 69 Years, 3 Months, 22 Days
Cause Of Death Pylonic Stinvis
Undertaker Christy

Children Of Joseph P Adams And Mary Adaline Madkiff Are
Mark Adams, Born October 1870
Samuel Adams, Born September 1873
Joseph Herschel Adams, Born March 25, 1876

Joseph Herschel Adams Was Born March 25, 1876
He Married 1st Maude 1896.
she was Born About 1882 In Pennsylvania And Died April 13, 1917.
He Married 2nd Harriet Budd 1910
She Was Born May 1884
Children Of Joseph Herschel Adams And Maude Are
Alda Adams, Born About 1897
Ivan Adams, Born About 1901
Shirley M Adams, Born About 1906, Died June 01, 1994 In Millville
Mary F Adams, Born about 1910

Notes For Joseph Herschel Adams

Mount Pleasant Cemetery Register, Page 72
Maude Adams, Died April 13, 1917

WWI Civilian Draft Registrations, September 12, 1918
Herschel Adams, Aged 42, Height Medium, Build Medium, Color Of Eyes Blue, Hair Grey
Born March 25, 1876
Lived 912, Buck Street, Millville, Cumberland County, New Jersey
Laborer Whital Tatum Company, Buck Street, Millville, Cumberland County
Nearest Relatives Shirley And Mary F Adams, 912 Buck Street, Millville, Cumberland County

1910 Census Federal, New Jersey Precient Of 3rd Ward Of Millville, Cumberland Couny, W Oak Street
Herschel Adams, 35, Married 14 Years, Laborer, Sand Wash, Born, New Jersey
Maude Adams, 28, Wife, Married 14 Years, 4 Children, 4 Living, Born, Pennsylvania, Father And Mother Born New Jersey
Alda Adams, 13, Daughter, Born, New Jersey
Ivan Adams, 9 son, Born, New Jersey
Shirley Adams, 4, Son, Born, New Jersey
(1910 And 1920 Census Both Say Son For Shirley)
Mary Adams, 1/12, Daughter, Born, New Jersey

1920 Census Federal, New Jersey, Millville City, Cumberland County, New Jersey
House Number 912, Dwelling Number 8, Family Number 10
Herschel J Adams, 43, Married 10 Years, Laborer Bleachery, Born, New Jersey
Harriet B Adams, 36, Wife, Born, New Jersey, Father And Mother Born, New Jersey
Joseph N Adams, 17 Step Son, Born, New Jersey, Laborer Bleachery
Shirley M Adams, 14, Son, Born, New Jersey
Ivan N Adams, 19, Son, Married, Tending Boy, Glass Factory, Born, New Jersey
Helen Adams, 18, (Wife Of Ivan Adams) Born, New Jersey

Burial Rcords For Lot Owners, Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Herschel Adams
Page 152, April 1917, Lot Number 145, Section M, 9 X 16, $40.00 To Vault For Wife

Herschel Adams
Page 160, August 1917, To Care Of Lot, $30.00, O And C Grave For Father
To Double Vault For Father And Mother, $38.00

Herschel Adams
Page 208, October 17, 1922
Estate Of Herschel Adams, To O And C Vault, $30.00

Herschel AdamsPage 217, November 10, 1923, Estate Of Herschel Adams (Alma B Crowley) $35.00

Herschel Adams
Page 218, November 10, 1923, Estate Of Herschel Adams
To O And C And Vault For Alma B Crowley, $35.00

Walter

Re: Margaret and Samuel Cobb of Downe Township

Nancy_Nelson — 2009-09-13 01:05:44Z

Hi Dave

I left you a private message with my email address - we are definitely kin.

Nancy

Re: Thomas H Miller 1818 Mary Johnson 1820

sonja9 — 2009-07-29 17:20:55Z

Hello Again, Al,
Unfortunately, that is the case in many old cemeteries, that the information on the tomb stones has been worn away over the years.

EDWARD is EDGAR, born in 1861. The given name is interchangeable. On the 1870 Census, his name is given as EDGAR, and on both the 1880 and the 1900 Census Records, his name is given as EDWARD. He is one and the same person. The widow, MARY MILLER, had both her sons, GEORGE MILLER & FAMILY and ANDREW MILLER & FAMILY living on either side of her. MARY was living with her son, EDWARD (EDGAR) and his wife, DEBORAH "DEBBY" and their two children, EDWARD, JR. & ADA and EDWARD's sister-in-law, MICA or MICHA SAYRE. Also residing with them in the same household was EDWARD's brother, CHARLES "CHARLEY" MILLER, still single at the taking of this census. On this 1900 Census, the widow, MARY MILLER, stated that she had 14 children and 11 were still living. The 11 children living were: JOHN, ANDREW, HARRIETT, CHRISTIANA, ADELINE, THOMAS H. (JR.), CHARLES, HORACE, JACOB, GEORGE & EDGAR/EDWARD.

I also noticed that on the 1880 Census, two doors away from THOMAS H. & MARY (JOHNSON) Miller, were a HARRIET JOHNSON, age 69, single, living with her sister, RACHEL JOHNSON, age 71, single, who had paralysis, both born in New Jersey. Possibly sisters or relatives of MARY (JOHNSON) MILLER?

I found marriage dates for ANDREW and I believe EDWARD. If you don't already have them, I will gladly look them up again, as I have the Cumberland County Marriages book by H. Stanley Craig. Also, if you don't have access to the 1900 Census, I can give you the birth months & years of the family members on that census, including the other two brothers and their wives and family members.

Re: Thomas H Miller 1818 Mary Johnson 1820

sonja9 — 2009-07-28 19:12:27Z

Hello Al,

I found the 1900 Census with Mary on it. Marital status is given as a widow, so her husband Thomas died before June 6, 1900. Her birth year is given as July 1817, and all census records from 1850 on, state that she was born in NJ. Also 1900 census says her parents were born in NJ. She is residing with her son, Edward, his wife and two grandchildren and her single son, Charles in Hopewell Twsp. PO is Deerfield Street. Perhaps they are buried in Deerfield, or since she is possibly from Salem Co., it may be that she and her husband are buried in that county with her family.

The Cumberland County Historical Society is located in Greenwich, not far from Bridgeton. I believe they are on-line. Perhaps they have burial records for the cemeteries in the area, or they could let you know where the cemetery office is located for the Broad Street Presbyterian Church. There is also a public library in Bridgeton, the county seat, which has a genealogy research room.

Sorry I couldn't give you direct answers to your questions. But hope this helps you some.

Re: Mary Jane MILLER b1829

jiggilypuffs — 2009-07-27 14:08:08Z

Well.. There are no records filed from Salem City until 1860 in book AD. Maybe they weren't reported or maybe they were filed somewhere else. If you look in the Elsinboro records from 1848-1860 they have about 10 marriages each year and if you see the 'where married' column, it says Salem.

This is the original filing. I have a copy of Book AD (1848-1867) which is Salem's BMD's for my own records for client research.

A lot of Millers in the area were from Hans Michael Muller (b.1709) who came from Germany and lived in Alloway Creek as Michael Miller. His son Michael married Margaret Shoemaker in 1756 and their kids were born in Mannington.

-andrea
www.ifinddeadpeople.com

Re: Thomas H Miller 1818 Mary Johnson 1820

jiggilypuffs — 2009-07-31 03:32:35Z

Thomas H. Miller died 8 Jan 1892 in Hopwell Twp, Cumberland, NJ.

He was buried at Broad St Cemetery on January 11, 1892, in the NW section, lot 57. There is a notation by the sexton that says he's NW of the gravel road.

There's also a NNW section (I guess the first one wasn't north enough, ha!)

W. Read Elmer is in NW 27 and I've seen his stone.
the plot behind him is John McPherson who is NW 32. Then there are about 3 rows and then the 'gravel' road which is more dirt than gravel row.

I have a photo of W Read Elmer's stone with John Mc Pherson's in the background with the traffic light as well so you can see where you are. My guess is that Thomas Miller is in one of the plots bordering the road. You just need to write down the names around that area with deceased dates and then check their plot #'s to see how close you are.

-andrea
www.ifinddeadpeople.com

Re: Mary Jane MILLER b1829

jiggilypuffs — 2009-07-27 00:03:49Z

I just looked for their marriage certificate in my files and Mary and Elizabeth's possible death certificate. Salem certificates were usually with Elsinboro until the 1860's.. and I found Josiah's sister Millicent's marriage that was in Salem recorded in Elsinboro.. but I couldn't find them.

-andrea
www.ifinddeadpeople.com

Re: Hannah Coleman m. JohnScull in 1805

jiggilypuffs — 2009-08-16 04:47:29Z

Hi Amy,
Harmon Kruse Sr. died 18 Jul 1847 in Cumberland Co, NJ.

The Cumberland County records aren't scarce for that era. They just aren't in conventional form such as certifcates. You just have to know where to look :) I think they have Orphans Court records, etc.. at the FHL in SLC.

It just takes a LOT of time to go through them all, but you will find your answer. I mean every page, every index of every book. I think I'm up to Volume F of the Orphans Court minutes :) It takes me about 2 weeks per volume.

-andrea
www.ifinddeadpeople.com

Re: Hannah Coleman m. JohnScull in 1805

amycgreen — 2009-08-15 21:19:34Z

I am in SLC at present, where I just confirmed that John Coleman and Harmon Kruse were in Maurice River Township of Cumberland County, NJ in 1879. This John Coleman and his family moved to Hamilton County, Ohio before 1810 and I descend from his son, Jacob. Unfortunately, Cumberland County records are scarce for that era. Let me know if you want to communicate more:
Amy Coleman Green amy_green@att.net

Finding a marriage record

MaryAlice_Goins — 2009-08-07 01:01:53Z

I have been looking for information on my birth mother. Have accomplished about all of it. The only thing that is missing is where and when she was married. The state of NJ wants to know the city and the date. If I knew that I would not need to try and find out from them. Know from looking at information that her mother in law lived in Cumberland Co. when the 1930 census was done. She married Stanley C. Jaggers. They had their first child in 1939. Her maiden name was Mary Ellen Crowe. She was born in West Virginia. If anyone has any suggestions about how to get information it would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Hannah Coleman m. JohnScull in 1805

Valerie_Caulfield — 2009-08-17 01:33:52Z

The History of Gloucester, Salem and Cumberland Counties New Jersey by Cushing and Sheppard, pub. 1883 with a separate index pub. 1975 by Donald Sinclair, has many entries for the various families mentioned in this thread. Be willing to do sound alikes as there were not any hard and fast rules for spelling. For example, you need to check Crouse or Crose as well as Kraus,etc.

These volumes literally full of names from all sorts of civic and military lists,so a useful finding aid for the region. And if you can pin your people to a map, start looking for churches or cemeteries in the immediate vicinity. The historical societies in the several counties might have copies of those records now.

Hope this helps,
Val

Re: Flowers family

cmsames421 — 2009-10-23 14:57:05Z

Would you contact me. I just got this message and don't know if you will check back and find this, but if you do would you e-mail me so we can exchange more info?

Re: Thomas H Miller 1818 Mary Johnson 1820

manumuskin45 — 2009-07-28 20:36:05Z

Sonja,

Thanks for the reply.I had to revise my birth and death dates for both people.I have her son Charles listed but i don't have an Edward.Also I have info stating they are buried at broad st pres church and i know which area of the graveyard but my cousin and i have both repeatedly searched the area and cannot find the stone.It's in an area of very old stones,many just uninscribed chunks of sandstone.
Thanks for your help and time.
Al

Re: Mark Constant Adams

shadow4284 — 2009-10-22 03:58:11Z

Thanks. I originally had Joseph's birth year as 1849 but changed it when I found a birth certificate at familysearch.org.

Could you tell me what source your using to find the dates and names? The only birthdate of Mark's children that I had was Joseph's and I'd liked to fill in the others.

Any knowledge of Mary Adeline's maiden name? My family says it's either Madkiff or Midkiff, but I've found online a few listings as Woodruff, but no confirmations.

Re: Mark Constant Adams

shadow4284 — 2009-10-21 03:18:18Z

Is this the same Mark Adams who had children by second wife Rachel: Fanny, Mark, Samuel, Rachel, and Joseph.

If so, what is Joseph's (Joseph P. Adams born Jul 13, 1852) middle name? He's my third great grandfather. Joseph married May Adeline Madkiff/Woodruff and had three sons: Mark, Samuel, and Joseph(who also went by Herschel).

Re: Rebecca D. (Touzer-Tozer) Langley, died 1946 +Randolph +Whilden

iamRL — 2009-09-15 15:42:04Z

Hello - I saw your posting that you have a copy of Doris Schutte's genealogy on the Rex family. Could I buy a copy from you?

Re: Port Norris/Downe Township death records 1873

sheilakbill — 2009-07-27 23:27:06Z

My cousin may be able to help you, write her at pstalhuth328@aol.com

Re: C.E. Sheppard's folders

sheilakbill — 2009-07-27 22:21:50Z

My relative worked with the Sheppard Papers and she said that the xyz would be used because he didn't know the preachers name. My relative transcribed his notes word for word as she used to work for the historical society. Her email address is pstalhuth328@aol.com she said you can email her directly.

Re: Mark Constant Adams

Walter_Lovett — 2009-10-21 23:01:34Z

Yes this is the same Mark Adams who married second Rachel Hoover.
I don't know what Joseph P Adams' middle name was.

I have him as being born July 13, 1849 and dying January 27, 1918
And marrying 1869 Mary Adeline Born April 15, 1849 and dying August 07, 1918

Both are buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery Millville

Re: Facemire/Facemyer/Facemeyer

drchuck891 — 2009-07-31 15:26:12Z

When was your John Ireland born? William Ireland and Ann Facemire had a son b. June 1848 in Cumberland County.

Re: Facemire/Facemyer/Facemeyer

drchuck891 — 2009-07-31 15:23:42Z

Glad to see your posting (even though a few years late on my part). The scanty information that I have shows 8 children for William and Ann Facemire Ireland, none of whom are named Zachariah, but instead a Zacheus b. abt 1854. Could these be one and the same? Thanks.

Re: Facemire

drchuck891 — 2009-07-31 15:16:34Z

Barbara-
Do you have documentation verifying that George is the son of Christian and Martha Nesmith Facemire? The reason I ask is that according to "Christian Fesmire, A Family History 1752 - 1952", by Lloyd Fesmire, Christian and Martha only had five children; Eleanore, Johannes, Anna, Martha, and Christian. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks.

Re: Garrison Indian (Native Americans) info

parkerincorporat — 2009-09-11 23:25:16Z

What I have been lead to believe as far a my Taylor/Garrison line is that 3 lines of Indian come in.One being Sioux.One of my Taylors married an indian maiden from bridgeton who I assumed was Elizbeth Garrison.My line is so confussing.If I were to find out the Indian lines I might be able to go forward with my tree.I once had a quick glance at an old diary that has since vanished.A few statements I remember "Taylor woman was taken by an Indian and the Indian man and children had her last name"."It's time for us to go to Taylor Camp again".Next to Taylor/Garrison name was "Yakota""Sitting Bull" and Lenape"Have not been able to find out which Taylor women and was her last name Taylor and where was this Taylor camp?What is Yakota?Was it met to say Lakota?I was told for years Souix never came as far east as NJ and no way this line could have Indian let alone Souix but I did find a census listing a whole group of Souix in NJ only they have Indian names so not much help.Every clue is appriciated.

Re: Mary Jane MILLER b1829

BeverlyCarrBradway — 2009-07-27 11:09:20Z

The marriage cert for Mary Jane Miller & Josiah was at Salem Co. Cths. Tell us about the filing of Salem & Elsinboro certs prior 1860's? Original filing or how you find today? Thanks for Millicent's info. Am hoping a Miller researcher knows if Mary Jane was of the "Miller Neighborhood."

Mary Jane MILLER b1829

BeverlyCarrBradway — 2009-07-26 13:52:47Z

Who was Mary Jane Miller b 1829 m 11/8/1849 Josiah Holladay? She was then of LAC, married by the pastor of 2nd Baptist in Salem City. Was Mary "Jane" Miller of the Miller neighborhood in Cumberland Co? What became of the child, Elizabeth who appeared in the 1850 census?

Re: Elizabeth Garrison (1838-1907)

CATHERINECALCAGNO71 — 2009-09-06 22:39:45Z

Hello
I do know that the Garrison/Forman has Native American, Cherokee....
This is what I have in my tree...
Alice Garrison m a Taylor, no first name yet... can not get handle on the Taylor for some reason... they had my ggrandpa Raleigh (Rollo) Lewis Taylor, about 1880's... He married a Arvilla Hargrove, 1900, had a daughter my Grandma Ruth Alice Taylor... Now heres what I know also sometimes people name children for grandparents right so ..
Naomi Ruth Forman... Alice Garrison... Ruth Alice... me Catherine Ruth....
So I am reaching here about these names ... b years work too.
Rollo divorced Arvilla by 1910... After Ruth Alice birth 1905-1995... Taylor has been a needle in haystack so I am not sure whom or where only IN, IL, OR, WA... then he dies in San Joaquin Co., CA 1923...
I do know during my grandma time they did live in Umatilla Reservation in OR which also where my momma was born.... I am said to have Native American blood in me... For sure I am half Italian through my dad side...:)...
Since checking I have found some info on Forman side that I would be about little less than a quarter Cherokee... Cool
Again would love to know the Taylors... I know there's more about them somewhere, Rollo was a nickname....
Check out Johnson Foreman, interresting history....
See ya..
Kathy

Re: Port Norris/Downe Township death records 1873

tohara1492 — 2009-07-28 22:04:28Z

How might your cousin help? Does your cousin read these posts or would I have to write all the information again? Please offer more detail.

Re: Downe Oyster Boat

chrisjahn1 — 2009-08-13 02:16:23Z

I've never heard of that group. I was referring to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/njgf/

Join, then post your request: the documents are not online. The thread of interest is "homepage photo."

Re: The History of Gloucester, Salem and Cumberland Counties - by Cushing and Sheppard

Dave_Bates_Dare_Family — 2009-08-17 13:27:06Z

Speaking of these huge volumes, I recently got this publication on CD. It is an inexpensive and time efficient way to access all those thousands of name lists in this extensive history (partially written by my cousin,CES :)

It is in Adobe format, so you can use Adobe's built in ssearch to look for names too.

email me at dave@darefamily.com if you need the web site address where I got the CD from. I probably can't put that on here.

obit-anderson

peder27 — 2009-09-10 18:38:52Z

• Name: Edith Anderson 1 2 3
•
• Birth: 13 FEB 1906 in New Jersey
• Death: 12 MAY 1985 in Cumberland Co, NJ 1 2 3
• Burial: Fernwood Cemetery, Bridgeton, Cumberland Co, NJ

seek obit please

Re: Margaret and Samuel Cobb of Downe Township

grumpydmc — 2009-09-11 14:59:59Z

Hi Nancy,

My name is Dave McConnell and I believe I am a direct descendent of Samuel Cobb and Margaret Gominger. When my grandmother passed away in 2002 she left behind a written history of the entire family tree. I believe this may have come from the Rev Cobb you mention below. I have just in the past week started investigating this side of my family so there is a lot of verification to do however given the detail dates and names I have on my grandmother's papers I suspect most of it will check out.

Basically my grandmother's grandmother was Almira Cobb (brother to Dewitt) which makes her great grandmother Margaret Gominger. From the written records I have Margaret's parents were Joseph Gominger (born July 12 1784)and Anna Fried (born Aug 18th 1786 died approx 1880). Joseph's parents were Jacob Gominger who came to America from Germany (Died July 10 1803) and I belive Agnes Nil (but I am not sure about this).

How do you fit in here? Once I input all of the information into my software I can send you a file but it may be a few weeks yet.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Dave

Re: Thomas H Miller 1818 Mary Johnson 1820

manumuskin — 2009-07-31 16:38:02Z

Thats great! if you can find the pic could you send it to me at manumuskin@comcast.net ?
i was looking moreso in the ne corner of the graveyard though i did look at this area too. with the photo and description you've given i could probably narrow it down to a few stones and maybe chalk them and be able to read something.
thanks much.
Al

Re: Thomas H Miller 1818 Mary Johnson 1820

manumuskin — 2009-07-31 16:33:01Z

i have all the childrens birthdates but only johns death date. the marriage dates would be nice but don't trouble yourself.
thanks very much for your help,
Al